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Title: Report: Hoover had plan for mass arrests
Source: Yahoo news
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071222/ap_on_go_ot/hoover_mass_arrests
Published: Dec 22, 2007
Author: None
Post Date: 2007-12-22 18:30:08 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 157
Comments: 10

Sat Dec 22, 3:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to suspend the rules against illegal detention and arrest up to 12,000 Americans he suspected of being disloyal, according to a newly declassified document.

Hoover sent his plan to the White House on July 7, 1950, less than two weeks after the Korean War began. But there is no evidence to suggest that President Truman or any subsequent president approved any part of Hoover's proposal to house suspect Americans in military and federal prisons.

Hoover had wanted Truman to declare the mass arrests necessary to "protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage," The New York Times reported Saturday in a story posted on its Web site.

The plan called for the FBI to apprehend all potentially dangerous individuals whose names were on a list Hoover had been compiling for years.

"The index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven percent are citizens of the United States," Hoover wrote in the now-declassified document. "In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the writ of habeas corpus."

Habeas corpus is the right to seek relief from illegal detention, and is a bedrock legal principle.

All apprehended individuals eventually would have had the right to a hearing under Hoover's plan, but hearing boards comprised of one judge and two citizens would not have been bound by the rules of evidence.

The details of Hoover's plan was among a collection of Cold War-era documents related to intelligence issues from 1950-1955. The State Department declassified the documents on Friday.

Where the United States was headed started long before 1950, but there have certainly been many markers along the way to show exactly what was going on and how twisted Washington, DC, was, is, and always will be.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

I was just about to post this. I bet that plan was required reading in the White House over the past seven years. It's a pity old J. Edgar couldn't have lived to see the Bush administration; it would have warmed the cockles of his cross-dressing, closeted homosexual fascist heart. The Bushies are truly the children he never had, being a cross-dressing homosexual fascist and all.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-12-22   18:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

So are they going to post the names of the 12,000 who were to be arrested?

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2007-12-22   19:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: orangedog (#2)

So are they going to post the names of the 12,000 who were to be arrested?

Some are doubtless still alive today. Probably on the no-fly list.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2007-12-22   20:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: orangedog (#2)

So are they going to post the names of the 12,000 who were to be arrested?

Who are we kidding, we know it will be everyone who signed up at meetup.com for Ron Paul.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-22   20:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Some are doubtless still alive today.

If I were on it I'd go piss on old edgar's grave and use the list as evidence at my trial if I got caught. "Your honor, the man was going to do a lot worse to me!"

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2007-12-22   20:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Dakmar (#4)

Who are we kidding, we know it will be everyone who signed up at meetup.com for Ron Paul.

That be the case, gonna need a LOT more prison beds..... cause 12,000 just ain't gonna cut it.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2007-12-22   21:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#6)

Ours is bigger!

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-22   22:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#6)

If it comes down to a "who's is bigger" contest, that is.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-22   22:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: (#0)

Lincoln did this.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-12-23   1:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#0)

Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to suspend the rules against illegal detention and arrest up to 12,000 Americans he suspected of being disloyal, according to a newly declassified document.

This type of War Plan by the FBI was nothing new. It was started back in the mid 1930s at the behest of FDR when he was worried about Nazi/German influence in the country. He had Hoover draw up a War Plan and watch list of German activists in the US. For good measure he added Communists.

In this process within 72 hours of Dec 7 the FBI hauled in over 3000 aliens. With the ensuing war hysteria no one complained about anyones rights, and off to camp went the Japanese.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-23   7:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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