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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
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Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading. Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party. Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days. I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory. Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for. Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'. THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job. I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
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#135. To: Cynicom (#133)
LOL! Yeah, I HAVE noticed that!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I was probably getting nailed for the same thing somewhere else. But you do a damn fine job of getting un-nailed with your great responses, with or without backup. Keep telling it like it is ... even when it seems like no one is listening.
The Senate, IIRC, does NOT routinely use roll call voting. Much of what they do is 'passed by voice vote', which is not recorded. Its obvious there was hanky panky in play for this to happen........just as there was when clinton's coal grab in Utah was given coverage by the senate late at night. The Constitution gives each chamber of the Congress the ability to make their own rules for conducting their affairs. The Senate, as I recall, is rather loathe to make any changes to their 'grand OLD rules', but we all know that rules were meant to be broken.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
That doesn't match with your opinion of not voting. It doesn't match the words on this thread about RP continuing to legitimize an evil party. Either THOSE WORDS are wrong this time because RON is the candidate, and therefore should be taken back. Or, they are right, and I won't participate in something hipocritical and considered immoral. Ron Paul is trying the method best for change, and thats to do it from the inside. Anyone that can't see that, has an agenda contrary to the majority supporting RP. Being called immoral for supporting a good man in unacceptable and all are owed an apology. If millions upon millions show up for Paul, and the fraud goes down as expected, it will wake more people up and can't be spun. That's only my opinion, and so what if we think different here. But, the forum's name is on that ad, if the forum feels that Ron is an Immoral candidate and his supporters as well, then, perhaps the money should go directly to the campaign, and not advertise the Forum as something that supports what it does not. If RP changes parties, I'll vote for him no matter. I will not quibble about why, I will be voting for hope. To DO NOTHING ensures HIS LOSS, and ours. And to my mind, THAT is what is immoral. But people are entitled sit home, if only they would shut up then. I know all members of the forum did not participate in the ad and should not be held to any other members beliefs. If that ad runs, and people are directed here to the Forum because of the support for Ron Paul or not, the Forum is representing itself as a supporter. Posters here that want to demonize him, are not serving a helpful purpose to get him elected. Further, saying people should sit home, makes this whole idea nuts. So, where do we stand. Are his supporters immoral or not?
Where do land patents fit in this picture.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
In some bank's vault. Pull a few financial panics, talk people into signing up for mortgages and tell them they might own something someday. Putting your patent into a shredder would have the same result. And it was all done voluntarily, dontchaknow.
Included in that is entering into a trust by registering your land with the state, which is why you have to sign a contract to do so. With the state as trustee, well, you certainly have no rights in the land, or, you would not need a trustee. And then we do have the best example of an existing, 'old' land patent what is still enforced; the land patent issued to the original railroads when they were building across America. These have been carefully passed along and are still in force, as illustrated by the railroads not paying any property tax on such land nor on any improvements that have been built on the land.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
This is not some political horse race. We are in a fight for our lives not just our liberty." Yep.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
True enough.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
Yes, absolutely true. But then the american people could never be described as careful. Offer them any old pig in a poke and as long as it comes with a lot of colorful pictures and too good to be true promises, they'll be knocking each other down to get theirs first.
And/or, "fix" Ron Paul. If he is removed, I'm gonna need more ammo. By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week. Consider a re-loader. Make ammo yourself on the cheap. It's fun.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
I'm not going to disagree with that, but remembering back to the run-up to the Iraq invasion, the Iraqis were stocking up on guns and ammo like mad. They're still getting those somehow, while their main shortages are things like clean water, utilities and food. There's a lesson in there somewhere.
Silence. I guess that answers that.
I already did that when Klinton made his banning threats. I agree we'll be bartering bullets for food.. they'll be that valuable some day. Many have guns; few have more than a box of ammo for it! Bullets, water, food, tobacco, booze...all very important barter items when the SHTF. BUt the most important is guns and ammo, for without those, you can not protect the others, and will soon find you and your family a recipient of the rioting hordes "Three R's": Rape, rap and robbery.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx I just learned that the Ammo Depot 903 527 6120 is having a sale at $3.50/round + shipping. They have no website and are located outside Caddo Mills, TX on IH 30 N.E. of Dallas. Mickey has superb deals on all sorts of goodies at his store.
Bullets, water, food, tobacco, booze...all very important barter items when the SHTF. BUt the most important is guns and ammo, for without those, you can not protect the others, and will soon find you and your family a recipient of the rioting hordes "Three R's": Rape, rap and robbery. I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me.
What are you talking about? What is your rationale? Do you agree of disagree? This criptic BS is getting tiresome.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx No, it's immoral to participate in the system. I'm going along with the best thinkers on the thread. What's cryptic about just saying it's up to someone else to take care of me. Others write epitsles to say as much.
Dude Ron Paul would have received no publicity and would probably be down around Ralph Nader-land in the polls if he weren't running for the GOP nomination. He wouldn't have received all the free exposure from the GOP debates, and the media would completely ignore him. Face it: the system is rigged against independent campaigns, especially at the national level. In theory, your independent run ideas sound good, but Ron Paul would be in a worse, not better, position had he not entered the GOP race. Now if he loses the nomination, I'm all for an independent run. The campaign will have benefited from all the free publicity from the GOP campaigning and primary season.
"The system" ["Das System"] was the phrase Hitler and the other Nazis used for the Weimar Republic that they wanted to get rid of.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
What few on this thread know is that I was using your own words against me on another thread against you on this one. ONly you would know the satire in it.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Vast has accomplished what he set out to do.
True enough. Hi wakeup. I hope you and yours had a great Christmas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Silence. sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to. i obviously didn't make it clear to you that this had been my position in the past and that Ron Paul's candidacy has caused me to have a change of heart and to give it one last chance. as for calling RP supporters immoral, i never said anything of the sort as i believe quite the opposite is true. i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread.
He left room to wiggle. I watched the Meet The Press clip again. He is thinking it but, knows better than to talk about it. He IS running for President but, right now he needs to look like he is running for the nomination. Congressman Paul is most wise in the ways of the politician though he is THE statesman of our day.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
LOL! You must be a carpenter--you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am not paranoid but I am worried about the guy behind me that gaining on me.
I have noticed him catching up too! But he is mad at me because the voices talk to me, not him. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That leaves us where, Aristeides?
Don't let it happen again. Ever. I mean it. :)
I know, and there is a great issue at stake as we speak. Do we have the moral right to fight or not. The question is not really for you Indy.
One thing I've learned from posting on forums, if it can be twisted, someone will do it. Positions will be attributed to you that leave you in shock, wondering how anyone could arrive at that conclusion.
one more thing, though history proves my past and current attitude of cynicism to be realistic, who am i to say that there won't/can't be a miracle. i've stated this before too, imo, a Ron Paul victory is going to require divine intervention.
L. Spooner If it was interpreted and administered with the original intent of the parties in the contract, I would gladly sign up for its protections and encourage others to do same. But, what we have today resembles little original intent therefore, all bets are off until the chains of the Constitution are properly re-attached. I acknowledge the wisdom of the original authors of the contract but, I will not allow present day usurpers to obscure the original intent of the lawmakers/founders.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
Vast set out to sow discord and in that vein he has succeeded. On the plus side, we now see an exposed Vast and we have experienced negativism propaganda cloaked in totally innocent self musings. Joseph Goebbels was very good at that.
i obviously didn't make it clear to you that this had been my position in the past and that Ron Paul's candidacy has caused me to have a change of heart and to give it one last chance. Thanks for your response Christine. I hope others will have a change of heart as well. I agree this is our one last chance. as for calling RP supporters immoral, i never said anything of the sort as i believe quite the opposite is true. i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread. I didn't attribute the immoral sentiment to you, but you rather did not acknowledge it's flat appraisal by Vast to those that support RP. Rather it was allowed to stand as a form of truth, and many posters seemed to support that. Many many people in this forum have given much of their time and support for the ad itself to promote a good man. An accusation of immorality of doing so, is more than an insult to at least 10 people I could name right now, and it's not right and should be addressed. If we or they are unwelcome and do not meet the morality bar set by a sideliner, then our efforts, HERE at least are at best an utter waste. Standing silent against a troll with an agenda to demoralize a community here that believes there is still hope, is unacceptable. Why, because the ad has this Forums name on it. And that means you. Where the confusion came was allowing the immorality statement to stand, and that you supported no voting. Those two things together translated as hipocrisy for the forum that is dedicated to freedom. There is no other peaceful way to achieve a victory at the polls, and we all are very much aware of the reality of vote fraud. Speaking for myself, it's up to us to use the methods we have to affect change. It's up to the people to decide what is and isn't legitimate, and pour to the polls to change it, from the ground up. The disease in on the inside, and that's where I think, we have the best chance to effect peaceful change.
Once in a great while I manage to avoid smashing a finger, so thumb tacks are usually my preference. *grins*
No arguement here. And we have seen many little miracles. Let us not let some coward steal them.
Explanation, please........
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
WE deal daily, sir. Some doth shuffle too much. You gotta' know when hold 'em and when to fold 'em. The only game better than the Constitutional Republic, we were given, is a benevolent dictatorship. Yet, those never seem to work out. Even George Washington realized he might screw that idea up and chose not to take the deal. He folded but, he did not leave the table. The founders continued to shuffle and the hands that were finally dealt, were all good. Past generations just did not know how to play them. It was ole' Ben Franklin that remarked, "We have given you a Republic... if you can keep it." We did not and here we be. The deck is still on the table but, some cards are missing, some are up sleeves and others are tattered and unrecognizable. Let us put all the cards back on the table and decide whether we need a new deck or, a new dealer. Save the Republic and God Bless America. Your deal.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
Can you explain this from the Cincinnati Law Library Assn: Friday, December 21, 2007 Taxation of Railroad Property The Supreme Court, back on December 4th., decided that railroads could challenge state methods for determining the value of railroad property along with the manner in which those methods are applied, resolving a split in federal circuit court holdings as to whether a state’s property tax valuation methodologies could be challenged under the federal Railroad Revitalization & Regulatory Reform Act of 1976 (4-R Act) An article in CCH’s State Tax Review on Dec. 13th. says “the 4-R Act, which bars states from discriminating against railroads when levying property taxes, provides an exception to the general rule of the Federal Tax Injunction Act that federal courts won’t interfere with matters of state taxation. “In order to evaluate an assessment ratio under the 4-R Act, however, federal courts have to calculate the true market value of in-state railroad property, and that requires the court to ‘look behind’ a state’s choice of valuation methods, and preventing courts from scrutinizing methodologies would force them to accept the market value estimates of the state, a party to the litigation. States would then be free to use methodology that routinely overestimates market values of railroad property, perpetuating the discriminatory taxation of railroads Congress sought to eliminate.” Sure makes it sound like there are property taxes being paid to the states, doens't it? Found at: http://cincinnatilaw.blogspot.com/2007/12/taxation-of-railroad- property.html
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
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#136. To: richard9151 (#134)
Where have you been by the way?! While I was getting 'nailed to the wall' in 4um for posting on the non-sense of the CONstitution?!!!!!????!!!!
#137. To: richard9151 (#126)
#138. To: christine (#129)
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Pep, I still believe they're going to steal it from RP. I believe the PTB have already chosen their selection and I think that's Hillary. However, as I posted above to vast and as duckhunter, Paul Revere, and others posted, I think there's never been the grassroots support and awareness of the message of Liberty. For this reason, I have some hope that as the numbers grow (we need a critical mass ala V for Vendetta) if we-the-people are to have a chance of defeating the elites and taking our country back. This is our last hope and I don't want to sit on the sidelines and do nothing. I want to take part in the fight.
#139. To: RidinShotgun (#132)
#140. To: rowdee (#139)
Where do land patents fit in this picture.
#141. To: RidinShotgun, rowdee (#140)
In some bank's vault. Pull a few financial panics, talk people into signing up for mortgages and tell them they might own something someday. Putting your patent into a shredder would have the same result. And it was all done voluntarily, dontchaknow.
#142. To: Original_Intent (#15)
" Have no doubt that the goal of the elites, the Bankers and their Psychiatrists, is achieve total domination and then carry out their eugenics program of murdering 80% of humanity to cull out the "rebellious" and "useless eaters" (as Kissinger termed us).
#143. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
"Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention."
#144. To: richard9151 (#141)
These have been carefully passed along and are still in force, as illustrated by the railroads not paying any property tax on such land nor on any improvements that have been built on the land.
#145. To: RickyJ (#34)
"The ONLY way Ron Paul can be beat now by anyone, Republican or Democrat, is to fix the election."
#146. To: wakeup (#145)
By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week. Consider a re-loader. Make ammo yourself on the cheap. It's fun.
#147. To: Christine (#138)
So, where do we stand. Are his supporters immoral or not?
#148. To: wakeup, tauzero, lodwick, peppa (#145)
By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#149. To: IndieTX, .50cal owners (#148)
#150. To: IndieTX (#148)
already did that when Klinton made his banning threats. I agree we'll be bartering bullets for food.. they'll be that valuable some day. Many have guns; few have more than a box of ammo for it!
#151. To: Peppa (#150)
I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#152. To: IndieTX (#151)
I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me. What are you talking about? What is your rationale? Do you agree of disagree? This criptic BS is getting tiresome.
#153. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
#154. To: Peppa (#152)
#155. To: Peppa (#152)
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"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#156. To: IndieTX (#151)
#157. To: wakeup (#143)
"Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention."
Lord Acton
#158. To: Peppa (#138)
That doesn't match with your opinion of not voting.
#159. To: christine (#95)
"i can see the logic in that. i'm still hoping RP will make the decision to go independent if/when he doesn't get the GOP nomination."
#160. To: RidinShotgun (#144)
But then the american people could never be described as careful. Offer them any old pig in a poke and as long as it comes with a lot of colorful pictures and too good to be true promises, they'll be knocking each other down to get theirs first.
Lord Acton
#161. To: James Deffenbach (#157)
"Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention.
#162. To: Cynicom (#161)
Lord Acton
#163. To: aristeides (#154)
"The system" ["Das System"] was the phrase Hitler and the other Nazis used for the Weimar Republic that they wanted to get rid of.
#164. To: christine (#158)
sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to.
#165. To: IndieTX (#155)
What few on this thread know is that I was using your own words against me on another thread against you on this one. ONly you would know the satire in it.
#166. To: christine (#158)
i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#167. To: Peppa (#138)
#168. To: christine (#97)
"If, then, those who established the Constitution, had no power to bind, and did not attempt to bind, their posterity, the question arises, whether their posterity have bound themselves. If they have done so, they can have done so in only one or both of these two ways, viz., by voting, and paying taxes."
#169. To: christine, All (#167)
#170. To: christine (#158)
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sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to.
#171. To: James Deffenbach (#160)
LOL! You must be a carpenter--you hit the nail squarely on the head.
#172. To: christine (#167)
one more thing, though history proves my past and current attitude of cynicism to be realistic, who am i to say that there won't/can't be a miracle. i've stated this before too, imo, a Ron Paul victory is going to require divine intervention.
#173. To: richard9151 (#141)
Included in that is entering into a trust by registering your land with the state, which is why you have to sign a contract to do so.
#174. To: richard9151 (#100)
"I am still amazed at the countless numbers of people who believe that getting back to the Constitution will solve everything, when what we have in America is the fruit OF the Constitution! No one seems to be able/willing to deal with that."
#175. To: richard9151 (#141)
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