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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
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Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading. Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party. Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days. I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory. Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for. Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'. THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job. I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
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#144. To: richard9151 (#141)
Yes, absolutely true. But then the american people could never be described as careful. Offer them any old pig in a poke and as long as it comes with a lot of colorful pictures and too good to be true promises, they'll be knocking each other down to get theirs first.
And/or, "fix" Ron Paul. If he is removed, I'm gonna need more ammo. By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week. Consider a re-loader. Make ammo yourself on the cheap. It's fun.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
I'm not going to disagree with that, but remembering back to the run-up to the Iraq invasion, the Iraqis were stocking up on guns and ammo like mad. They're still getting those somehow, while their main shortages are things like clean water, utilities and food. There's a lesson in there somewhere.
Silence. I guess that answers that.
I already did that when Klinton made his banning threats. I agree we'll be bartering bullets for food.. they'll be that valuable some day. Many have guns; few have more than a box of ammo for it! Bullets, water, food, tobacco, booze...all very important barter items when the SHTF. BUt the most important is guns and ammo, for without those, you can not protect the others, and will soon find you and your family a recipient of the rioting hordes "Three R's": Rape, rap and robbery.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx I just learned that the Ammo Depot 903 527 6120 is having a sale at $3.50/round + shipping. They have no website and are located outside Caddo Mills, TX on IH 30 N.E. of Dallas. Mickey has superb deals on all sorts of goodies at his store.
Bullets, water, food, tobacco, booze...all very important barter items when the SHTF. BUt the most important is guns and ammo, for without those, you can not protect the others, and will soon find you and your family a recipient of the rioting hordes "Three R's": Rape, rap and robbery. I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me.
What are you talking about? What is your rationale? Do you agree of disagree? This criptic BS is getting tiresome.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx No, it's immoral to participate in the system. I'm going along with the best thinkers on the thread. What's cryptic about just saying it's up to someone else to take care of me. Others write epitsles to say as much.
Dude Ron Paul would have received no publicity and would probably be down around Ralph Nader-land in the polls if he weren't running for the GOP nomination. He wouldn't have received all the free exposure from the GOP debates, and the media would completely ignore him. Face it: the system is rigged against independent campaigns, especially at the national level. In theory, your independent run ideas sound good, but Ron Paul would be in a worse, not better, position had he not entered the GOP race. Now if he loses the nomination, I'm all for an independent run. The campaign will have benefited from all the free publicity from the GOP campaigning and primary season.
"The system" ["Das System"] was the phrase Hitler and the other Nazis used for the Weimar Republic that they wanted to get rid of.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
What few on this thread know is that I was using your own words against me on another thread against you on this one. ONly you would know the satire in it.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Vast has accomplished what he set out to do.
True enough. Hi wakeup. I hope you and yours had a great Christmas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Silence. sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to. i obviously didn't make it clear to you that this had been my position in the past and that Ron Paul's candidacy has caused me to have a change of heart and to give it one last chance. as for calling RP supporters immoral, i never said anything of the sort as i believe quite the opposite is true. i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread.
He left room to wiggle. I watched the Meet The Press clip again. He is thinking it but, knows better than to talk about it. He IS running for President but, right now he needs to look like he is running for the nomination. Congressman Paul is most wise in the ways of the politician though he is THE statesman of our day.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
LOL! You must be a carpenter--you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I am not paranoid but I am worried about the guy behind me that gaining on me.
I have noticed him catching up too! But he is mad at me because the voices talk to me, not him. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That leaves us where, Aristeides?
Don't let it happen again. Ever. I mean it. :)
I know, and there is a great issue at stake as we speak. Do we have the moral right to fight or not. The question is not really for you Indy.
One thing I've learned from posting on forums, if it can be twisted, someone will do it. Positions will be attributed to you that leave you in shock, wondering how anyone could arrive at that conclusion.
one more thing, though history proves my past and current attitude of cynicism to be realistic, who am i to say that there won't/can't be a miracle. i've stated this before too, imo, a Ron Paul victory is going to require divine intervention.
L. Spooner If it was interpreted and administered with the original intent of the parties in the contract, I would gladly sign up for its protections and encourage others to do same. But, what we have today resembles little original intent therefore, all bets are off until the chains of the Constitution are properly re-attached. I acknowledge the wisdom of the original authors of the contract but, I will not allow present day usurpers to obscure the original intent of the lawmakers/founders.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
Vast set out to sow discord and in that vein he has succeeded. On the plus side, we now see an exposed Vast and we have experienced negativism propaganda cloaked in totally innocent self musings. Joseph Goebbels was very good at that.
i obviously didn't make it clear to you that this had been my position in the past and that Ron Paul's candidacy has caused me to have a change of heart and to give it one last chance. Thanks for your response Christine. I hope others will have a change of heart as well. I agree this is our one last chance. as for calling RP supporters immoral, i never said anything of the sort as i believe quite the opposite is true. i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread. I didn't attribute the immoral sentiment to you, but you rather did not acknowledge it's flat appraisal by Vast to those that support RP. Rather it was allowed to stand as a form of truth, and many posters seemed to support that. Many many people in this forum have given much of their time and support for the ad itself to promote a good man. An accusation of immorality of doing so, is more than an insult to at least 10 people I could name right now, and it's not right and should be addressed. If we or they are unwelcome and do not meet the morality bar set by a sideliner, then our efforts, HERE at least are at best an utter waste. Standing silent against a troll with an agenda to demoralize a community here that believes there is still hope, is unacceptable. Why, because the ad has this Forums name on it. And that means you. Where the confusion came was allowing the immorality statement to stand, and that you supported no voting. Those two things together translated as hipocrisy for the forum that is dedicated to freedom. There is no other peaceful way to achieve a victory at the polls, and we all are very much aware of the reality of vote fraud. Speaking for myself, it's up to us to use the methods we have to affect change. It's up to the people to decide what is and isn't legitimate, and pour to the polls to change it, from the ground up. The disease in on the inside, and that's where I think, we have the best chance to effect peaceful change.
Once in a great while I manage to avoid smashing a finger, so thumb tacks are usually my preference. *grins*
No arguement here. And we have seen many little miracles. Let us not let some coward steal them.
Explanation, please........
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
WE deal daily, sir. Some doth shuffle too much. You gotta' know when hold 'em and when to fold 'em. The only game better than the Constitutional Republic, we were given, is a benevolent dictatorship. Yet, those never seem to work out. Even George Washington realized he might screw that idea up and chose not to take the deal. He folded but, he did not leave the table. The founders continued to shuffle and the hands that were finally dealt, were all good. Past generations just did not know how to play them. It was ole' Ben Franklin that remarked, "We have given you a Republic... if you can keep it." We did not and here we be. The deck is still on the table but, some cards are missing, some are up sleeves and others are tattered and unrecognizable. Let us put all the cards back on the table and decide whether we need a new deck or, a new dealer. Save the Republic and God Bless America. Your deal.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
Can you explain this from the Cincinnati Law Library Assn: Friday, December 21, 2007 Taxation of Railroad Property The Supreme Court, back on December 4th., decided that railroads could challenge state methods for determining the value of railroad property along with the manner in which those methods are applied, resolving a split in federal circuit court holdings as to whether a state’s property tax valuation methodologies could be challenged under the federal Railroad Revitalization & Regulatory Reform Act of 1976 (4-R Act) An article in CCH’s State Tax Review on Dec. 13th. says “the 4-R Act, which bars states from discriminating against railroads when levying property taxes, provides an exception to the general rule of the Federal Tax Injunction Act that federal courts won’t interfere with matters of state taxation. “In order to evaluate an assessment ratio under the 4-R Act, however, federal courts have to calculate the true market value of in-state railroad property, and that requires the court to ‘look behind’ a state’s choice of valuation methods, and preventing courts from scrutinizing methodologies would force them to accept the market value estimates of the state, a party to the litigation. States would then be free to use methodology that routinely overestimates market values of railroad property, perpetuating the discriminatory taxation of railroads Congress sought to eliminate.” Sure makes it sound like there are property taxes being paid to the states, doens't it? Found at: http://cincinnatilaw.blogspot.com/2007/12/taxation-of-railroad- property.html
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Just as you are doing now.
Is that why so much nutty fruit cake shows up around this time of year? No one really knows what to give.
............ We now have six Ron Paul clips DVD's and Freedom to Fascism has a few Ron Paul clips. Also available is a newly "Edited" version of Zeitgeist. Part I is still removed but, now it starts with the JFK speech about Conspiracy, his assassination, the Federal Reserve then the 911 myth and it ends the same way as before. It is my most favorite of all time videos.
A further though in the matter......suppose TPTB decide to 'let' him have a shot at it, knowing full well that Hil would get the final vote count? It would/could/should shut up those 'kooks' hollering that 'elections are rigged', 'its not a fair playing field', or any other number of things that could be 'legitimately' used to stiffle future dissention on the part of the peons who surely would/could/should learn by the most recent lesson. Hell, they could knock out two birds with one stone, so to speak......all those who march to a different drummer within the party, as well as a wake-up call to the independents or 3rd party types.....a real toofer, so to speak. Or, even if he won, they could pull a Hinckley, thereby getting to the VP via the example- setting trend of Kennedy, Reagan, and Paul. I'll always remember how they got to Perot via words---and he had enough money to finance anything he wanted to-- except perhaps saving his family from annihilation.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Wiggle room. Isn't that the main reason so many cynics distrust all politicians? And isn't it kind of like old read-my-lips promising us no new taxes, but failing to mention that he'd raise the ones that already existed?
Agnew went to jail. Ford was elevated. Nixon was sent running, Ford was elevated and Rockefeller (surprise) was appointed. Two failures in one month on Fords life or we would have had an appointed President.
No, I made no comment on you or your exchange with Christine. It was a simple statement. Don't prove me right by making it more than it was.
Thats a little like comparing apples to oranges. Why should RP be forced to slam any and every door, if there is a way to still save the Republic? Why aren't the other candidates being forced to address all their lies and flip- flops. Or is there a standard you wish broadbrush for the sake of discrediting someones record that stands alone in word and deed? I suspect those that are whining for a 3rd party change now, want to kill his campaign, and I suspect that if RP changed parties to suit them, would only say they could no longer support one who was part of the evil-machine to begin with, and again side step accountability on their part. I'll say it. They WANT the status quo to continue, and some rather effect change by violence. Of course they will let someone else put their neck out. They are unworthy cowards. We've not had a candidate in decades delivered that has been speaking for, us. Still, some, proclaiming a need for such a person to rise, can't find it within themselves to stand up. These people are cowards. They are afraid of their own shadow. Can not and will not as the yoke of tyranny, seems more comfortable. It's one thing to give up your own soul, it's another to condemn others to the same.
Just as you are doing now. No, I made no comment on you or your exchange with Christine. It was a simple statement. Don't prove me right by making it more than it was. Sure it was farm. You are probably the most transparent person on this forum.
Yessir.........I believe the bullet carrier's name was Sarah Moore......related to Mansons' bunch, IIRC.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
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#145. To: RickyJ (#34)
"The ONLY way Ron Paul can be beat now by anyone, Republican or Democrat, is to fix the election."
#146. To: wakeup (#145)
By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week. Consider a re-loader. Make ammo yourself on the cheap. It's fun.
#147. To: Christine (#138)
So, where do we stand. Are his supporters immoral or not?
#148. To: wakeup, tauzero, lodwick, peppa (#145)
By the way, word is ammo is going up in price on the 1st. Buy a bunch this week. It is as good an investment as gold and silver, really. The day may come when we are bartering with all four basic metals: gold, silver, lead and brass. No kidding, buy some guns and ammo this week
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#149. To: IndieTX, .50cal owners (#148)
#150. To: IndieTX (#148)
already did that when Klinton made his banning threats. I agree we'll be bartering bullets for food.. they'll be that valuable some day. Many have guns; few have more than a box of ammo for it!
#151. To: Peppa (#150)
I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#152. To: IndieTX (#151)
I think I'll sit back and let others take care of me. What are you talking about? What is your rationale? Do you agree of disagree? This criptic BS is getting tiresome.
#153. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
#154. To: Peppa (#152)
#155. To: Peppa (#152)
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"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#156. To: IndieTX (#151)
#157. To: wakeup (#143)
"Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention."
Lord Acton
#158. To: Peppa (#138)
That doesn't match with your opinion of not voting.
#159. To: christine (#95)
"i can see the logic in that. i'm still hoping RP will make the decision to go independent if/when he doesn't get the GOP nomination."
#160. To: RidinShotgun (#144)
But then the american people could never be described as careful. Offer them any old pig in a poke and as long as it comes with a lot of colorful pictures and too good to be true promises, they'll be knocking each other down to get theirs first.
Lord Acton
#161. To: James Deffenbach (#157)
"Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention.
#162. To: Cynicom (#161)
Lord Acton
#163. To: aristeides (#154)
"The system" ["Das System"] was the phrase Hitler and the other Nazis used for the Weimar Republic that they wanted to get rid of.
#164. To: christine (#158)
sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to.
#165. To: IndieTX (#155)
What few on this thread know is that I was using your own words against me on another thread against you on this one. ONly you would know the satire in it.
#166. To: christine (#158)
i don't know how you attributed that sentiment to me from anything i've posted on this thread.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#167. To: Peppa (#138)
#168. To: christine (#97)
"If, then, those who established the Constitution, had no power to bind, and did not attempt to bind, their posterity, the question arises, whether their posterity have bound themselves. If they have done so, they can have done so in only one or both of these two ways, viz., by voting, and paying taxes."
#169. To: christine, All (#167)
#170. To: christine (#158)
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sorry, i didn't answer you post haste. i had an appointment to go to.
#171. To: James Deffenbach (#160)
LOL! You must be a carpenter--you hit the nail squarely on the head.
#172. To: christine (#167)
one more thing, though history proves my past and current attitude of cynicism to be realistic, who am i to say that there won't/can't be a miracle. i've stated this before too, imo, a Ron Paul victory is going to require divine intervention.
#173. To: richard9151 (#141)
Included in that is entering into a trust by registering your land with the state, which is why you have to sign a contract to do so.
#174. To: richard9151 (#100)
"I am still amazed at the countless numbers of people who believe that getting back to the Constitution will solve everything, when what we have in America is the fruit OF the Constitution! No one seems to be able/willing to deal with that."
#175. To: richard9151 (#141)
#176. To: farmfriend (#166)
One thing I've learned from posting on forums, if it can be twisted, someone will do it. Positions will be attributed to you that leave you in shock, wondering how anyone could arrive at that conclusion.
#177. To: rowdee (#175)
"God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!"
#178. To: christine (#167)
#179. To: aristeides (#117)
Ron Paul in that interview deliberately left himself wiggle room to eventually mount a third-party run.
#180. To: rowdee (#178)
#181. To: Peppa (#176)
Just as you are doing now.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#182. To: RidinShotgun (#179)
Wiggle room. Isn't that the main reason so many cynics distrust all politicians? And isn't it kind of like old read-my-lips promising us no new taxes, but failing to mention that he'd raise the ones that already existed?
#183. To: farmfriend (#181)
To: Peppa
#184. To: Cynicom (#180)
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