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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
Source: Meself
URL Source: [None]
Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 7769
Comments: 264

Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading.

Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party.

Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days.

I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory.

Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for.

Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'.

THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job.

I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.

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#113. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading.

Your post is timely and important. The evidence is obvious in the response.

Responses have come from several directions. And this will be my answer to them.

First, the objection to RP running on the Plutocrat/Industrial Complex ticket. Dr. Paul may be politically unsophisticated, but he ain't stupid! How else would his message travel beyond the political junkies in cyberspace like ourselves?

As to the "immorality" of it, that's just ridiculously purist to me. I'd liken it more to the "center fumble" or "hook-and-ladder" plays in football (we called it the "flea-flicker" in my day). Any "trick play" that takes advantage of a not-too-sharp opponent, short of rules violations is is fair and square.

Second, the third party thing. There is plenty of time before that decision has to be made, the later the better as far as I'm concerned.

Third party or no party my vote in Nov '08 is going to be for Dr. Paul. The sign in my front yard says "Hope for America". Actually, I like it better than the "Revolution" slogans which I believe are a little too sweeping in implication for a single election.

The significance of RP's run is that a long delayed message is reaching the masses. The Boston Tea Party wasn't a huge sweeping turn back of British domination, but it certainly was a providential spark. If we can achieve just that then I will more elated than in any of my previous decades of political observation and participation.

Finally, the defeatist undercurrent. Anyone who ever participated in competitive sport has experienced the role of underdog. Did any of you quit? Any not show up? I hope not, because if you did I must feel that you found the shame of surrender worse than the pain of defeat.

Perhaps we just light the flame in the tower, then at least we will have opened the door to the possibility of our own jubilant Yorktown.

So, fight the good fight, right up to and including election day '08 and beyond.

iconoclast  posted on  2007-12-26   11:52:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: iconoclast (#113)

Second, the third party thing. There is plenty of time before that decision has to be made, the later the better as far as I'm concerned.

As, I believe, I noted in the post that started this thread, it was prompted by Ron Paul going on the Russert show doing the equivalent of swearing on his mother's grave that he will NOT do an Indie run.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-12-26   12:00:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#116)

Ron Paul in that interview deliberately left himself wiggle room to eventually mount a third-party run.

I believe Teddy Roosevelt did precisely the same thing while running in the Republican primaries in 1912.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-26   12:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: aristeides (#117)

Ron Paul in that interview deliberately left himself wiggle room to eventually mount a third-party run.

Wiggle room. Isn't that the main reason so many cynics distrust all politicians? And isn't it kind of like old read-my-lips promising us no new taxes, but failing to mention that he'd raise the ones that already existed?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-12-26   16:28:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: RidinShotgun (#179)

Wiggle room. Isn't that the main reason so many cynics distrust all politicians? And isn't it kind of like old read-my-lips promising us no new taxes, but failing to mention that he'd raise the ones that already existed?

Thats a little like comparing apples to oranges. Why should RP be forced to slam any and every door, if there is a way to still save the Republic? Why aren't the other candidates being forced to address all their lies and flip- flops. Or is there a standard you wish broadbrush for the sake of discrediting someones record that stands alone in word and deed?

I suspect those that are whining for a 3rd party change now, want to kill his campaign, and I suspect that if RP changed parties to suit them, would only say they could no longer support one who was part of the evil-machine to begin with, and again side step accountability on their part. I'll say it. They WANT the status quo to continue, and some rather effect change by violence. Of course they will let someone else put their neck out.

They are unworthy cowards.

We've not had a candidate in decades delivered that has been speaking for, us. Still, some, proclaiming a need for such a person to rise, can't find it within themselves to stand up. These people are cowards. They are afraid of their own shadow.

Can not and will not as the yoke of tyranny, seems more comfortable.

It's one thing to give up your own soul, it's another to condemn others to the same.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-26   16:41:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Peppa (#182)

Of course they will let someone else put their neck out.

They are unworthy cowards.

It really doesn't matter what banner Ron Paul runs under, if there was any chance that he could win and accomplish even half of the tbings his supporters believe possible, it would be HIS neck on the line, not theirs, and there are plenty of people backing that idea.

Please understand, I have no animosity toward Dr. Paul nor any of his supporters, I just think they're fiddling while rome burns. The systemic disease infecting this country and its people is so old and so deep rooted that one man could never heal it, short of declaring a dictatorship and ridding the government of its traitors the hard way. I feel pretty confident that no one wants that.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-12-26   17:09:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: RidinShotgun (#186)

I just think they're fiddling while rome burns.

I see.

NO one wants a dictatorship, but we should just sit silent and wait for the inevitable.

I don't see us as the fiddlers. But if that's what we are, perhaps it's time to lay the fiddle down, and let the big talkers take over. Take a count of those you think will be there.

What an utter dissapointment.

Time to cancel the ad.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-26   17:18:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Peppa (#187)

Let me give you an analogy. We're all sitting in the only theater in town and the acting is terrible, the scenery sucks, the plot isn't thickening and everyone is pretty disgusted. What should we do?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-12-26   17:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: RidinShotgun (#190)

Let me give you an analogy. We're all sitting in the only theater in town and the acting is terrible, the scenery sucks, the plot isn't thickening and everyone is pretty disgusted. What should we do?

Just walk out and close all the theatres.

Give up. There a good movie down the street, but why go. Right?

Demons exist to quash hope.

You have a lot of company. Remember it is you that will have to answer alone.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-26   17:35:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#196. To: Peppa (#191) (Edited)

Just walk out and close all the theatres.

Give up. There a good movie down the street, but why go. Right?

You didn't read the rules of the analogy so you lost your train of thought ... there IS no other theater, just as there is no other government.

But you did get part of it right. You'd walk out. IOW, you'd secede from your seat and the theater would go broke. Now transfer that response to the larger part of the analogy. And if you think secession is the coward's way out, you don't know any southerners.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-12-26 17:45:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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