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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
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Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading. Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party. Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days. I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory. Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for. Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'. THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job. I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
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#182. To: RidinShotgun (#179)
Thats a little like comparing apples to oranges. Why should RP be forced to slam any and every door, if there is a way to still save the Republic? Why aren't the other candidates being forced to address all their lies and flip- flops. Or is there a standard you wish broadbrush for the sake of discrediting someones record that stands alone in word and deed? I suspect those that are whining for a 3rd party change now, want to kill his campaign, and I suspect that if RP changed parties to suit them, would only say they could no longer support one who was part of the evil-machine to begin with, and again side step accountability on their part. I'll say it. They WANT the status quo to continue, and some rather effect change by violence. Of course they will let someone else put their neck out. They are unworthy cowards. We've not had a candidate in decades delivered that has been speaking for, us. Still, some, proclaiming a need for such a person to rise, can't find it within themselves to stand up. These people are cowards. They are afraid of their own shadow. Can not and will not as the yoke of tyranny, seems more comfortable. It's one thing to give up your own soul, it's another to condemn others to the same.
Just as you are doing now. No, I made no comment on you or your exchange with Christine. It was a simple statement. Don't prove me right by making it more than it was. Sure it was farm. You are probably the most transparent person on this forum.
Yessir.........I believe the bullet carrier's name was Sarah Moore......related to Mansons' bunch, IIRC.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
and Squeaky Fromme the other time, as I remember.
They are unworthy cowards. It really doesn't matter what banner Ron Paul runs under, if there was any chance that he could win and accomplish even half of the tbings his supporters believe possible, it would be HIS neck on the line, not theirs, and there are plenty of people backing that idea. Please understand, I have no animosity toward Dr. Paul nor any of his supporters, I just think they're fiddling while rome burns. The systemic disease infecting this country and its people is so old and so deep rooted that one man could never heal it, short of declaring a dictatorship and ridding the government of its traitors the hard way. I feel pretty confident that no one wants that.
I see. NO one wants a dictatorship, but we should just sit silent and wait for the inevitable. I don't see us as the fiddlers. But if that's what we are, perhaps it's time to lay the fiddle down, and let the big talkers take over. Take a count of those you think will be there. What an utter dissapointment. Time to cancel the ad.
Anyone want to buy a fiddle?
Taking offers on a fiddle.
Let me give you an analogy. We're all sitting in the only theater in town and the acting is terrible, the scenery sucks, the plot isn't thickening and everyone is pretty disgusted. What should we do?
Just walk out and close all the theatres. Give up. There a good movie down the street, but why go. Right? Demons exist to quash hope. You have a lot of company. Remember it is you that will have to answer alone.
Cheer up lady. One silly thread does not a forum make, or break.
Whatever.
I am curious as to what you think America has been under? Because it certainly was not a Republic, and was not 'under' the Constitution. The following paper I wrote this last year, and it is titled; There is no Constitution; it is a carefully crafted illusion. Enjoy. http://www.brainwashington.info/othersites/Misc%20Authors/Richard%20Gould/There% 20is%20no%20Constitution%20Part%201.pdf When you finish this, look on the web for the book; The CONstitution that never was. It covers the lies that ended up being called a Constitutional convention, and does it very well. Neither the book nor my own paper will tell you things that are taught in the government controlled educational establishment. So, once again, enjoy.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
The only game better than the Constitutional Republic, we were given, is a benevolent dictatorship. Yet, those never seem to work out. Even George Washington realized he might screw that idea up and chose not to take the deal. He folded but, he did not leave the table. The founders continued to shuffle and the hands that were finally dealt, were all good. Past generations just did not know how to play them. It was ole' Ben Franklin that remarked, "We have given you a Republic... if you can keep it." We did not and here we be. The deck is still on the table but, some cards are missing, some are up sleeves and others are tattered and unrecognizable. Let us put all the cards back on the table and decide whether we need a new deck or, a new dealer. Save the Republic and God Bless America. Well said - thanks. The more I learn, the better seem the Articles of Confederation.
Give up. There a good movie down the street, but why go. Right? You didn't read the rules of the analogy so you lost your train of thought ... there IS no other theater, just as there is no other government. But you did get part of it right. You'd walk out. IOW, you'd secede from your seat and the theater would go broke. Now transfer that response to the larger part of the analogy. And if you think secession is the coward's way out, you don't know any southerners.
You can go down and record a paper in the court house as public record. You pay a fee, but you sign nothing. If you go down to record the title to a piece of property that you just bought, again, of public record, you must first sign a paper. Signing a paper is a contract, particularly when the paper is from the government (any arm thereof). Understanding what the purpose of the contract is explains the trust you entered into.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Thanks critter, but it has revealed much of it's soul.
I couldn't open your link.
There are, for a number of reasons. 1. Some land grants were cancelled because the railroad in question failed to live up to the contract. 2. Occasionally, railroads have requested special benefits from a state, and in return, have agreed to a limited amount of taxation on improvements built on land grant land. 3. Not all railroads have land grants. And, 4. Of those railroads that have land grants (just 4), not everything they own (because of mergers and the like) is on land grant land. If you wish to study this subject, try this site; http://www.landgrant.org/forfeiture.html Very interesting, and I support their efforts. I now wish to prevent a perpetual monopoly of over 50,000,000 acres of lands by an immense railroad company... I hope that the American Senate... will not by their action here to-day cause their posterity to curse their memories for thus building up such an immense monopoly to the detriment of the country, to the oppression and injury of all who may settle in that region. -- U.S. Senator Howell, arguing against additional subsidies to the Northern Pacific Railroad, in 1870. The lesson of the railroad land grants after more than one hundred years is that the government has been incapable of dealing affirmatively and at arms length with powerful economic interests. -- Attorney Sheldon Greene, 1976.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I'm sorry, if you did not see the other theater. But you did get part of it right. You'd walk out. IOW, you'd secede from your seat and the theater would go broke. Now transfer that response to the larger part of the analogy. And if you think secession is the coward's way out, you don't know any southerners If you speak of secession, then I'm all in. I didn't know that was part of the unspoken question. However there is other government, but not one of mans alone. The Lakota Indians are trying that, and I hope they succeed. I may move there if it happens. Until then, we deal with the 'republic' we have, malignant as it is.
Ummmm. I will repaste here: http://www.brainwashington.info/othersites/Misc%20Authors/Richard%20Gould/There% 20is%20no%20Constitution%20Part%201.pdf Looks the same, but, what I have found is that often, when you transfer them, you get a space where they are 'bent'; you may want to check that, cause I copied this one directly from the site.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Nah. There are like two naysayers. They just talk a lot. :)
However there is other government, but not one of mans alone. The Lakota Indians are trying that, and I hope they succeed. I may move there if it happens. Until then, we deal with the 'republic' we have, malignant as it is. Well okay then. Sorry I wasn't clearer. Maybe I'll see you there.
I've tried it and checked it really carefully and it still won't open. Is there another way to get there?
:) If only.
I'll be wearing a lavendar sprig and dragging a ice chest. :)
I'll probably have all the ice I need hanging from my eyebrows, at least until around May or so.
Wondering if the .info domain is the culprit here.
Go here; http://www.brainwashington.info/ Click on files, and open up 01 There is no Constitution...
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Got it, thanks. :) Haven't read one word yet, just wanted to let you know it worked.
See 210 & 211, please.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
LOL!
Well, aren't you two a pair. I'm astounded to discover that the Decider is not the only ignoramus that thinks the Constitution is just a damned piece of paper.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Teddy Roosevelt was immensely popular, a proven quantity, and had greater name recognition than his opponents. Perhaps he would have succeeded had he not been running for a third term. His example is not immediately applicable to Ron Paul. Of course it took another Roosevelt to succeed in winning a third term.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
The Articles of Confederation went into full effect in 1781, when Maryland ratified them. It took five or six years before most Americans decided they were not working. The Constitution of 1787 went into full effect in 1789, when the new government started work. It took more than 200 years before large numbers of Americans decided that it was not working. (And that was after it had undergone signficant formal amendment and been significantly reinterpreted by court decision many times.)
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
We didn't get here in one administration and we won't get back in one. no one knows that better than Ron Paul. But you just sit it out or vote for the lesser of two evils and then you and your buddy can come back and crap on some more threads.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
That would be me. Thanks. That would be me too. Thanks again! Taking the R nomination is also a great way to eliminate a bunch of other candidates prior to the gen election. I think it amusing that you claim to know more about 3rd party politics than someone who actually ran as the Libertarian pres candidate 20 years ago. I don't claim to know with any certainty what will happen with RP during the primaries, which is what separates you and me. But if Ron does place first or second in NH, it will be interesting to see if you will admit being wrong or if you'll apply some spin on the results like Mr. No-Spin-Zone man himself.
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Well, yes, I do believe that we are. Thank you for noticing! I'm astounded to discover that the Decider is not the only ignoramus that thinks the Constitution is just a damned piece of paper. Perhaps it is because he actually read the document, and, some of the case law written on it? Could be....... Speaking for myself, as a student of the subject for the last, oh, 25 years or so, I have yet to met anyone who would honestly look at the subject, i.e., the CONstitution and the case law/history thereof, and fail to do one of two things; 1. Agree with me on the subject, or; 2. Refuse to talk any further on the subject. And where would you'll fit into this here subject? Ummmm? And by the way, before you bother to get ansty on the subject, I supplied two sources chock-a-block full of info on 'the subject.' Help yurself.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
LOL! But then he stuck Dubya right smack dab in the middle. Poor Dubya, he finally tells the truth and no one believes him. Actually though, it isn't just a GD piece of paper, its a piece of work. I'd go so far as to say it almost qualifies as an art form. I just finished reading part I, good job!!!
First off, most Americans WERE NOT of the mindset that the Articles of Confederation were not working. Which is why, by the way, that the Constitutional Convention was held in secret. And there have always been LARGE numbers of Americans who have been convinced that the Constitution was not working. Thousands and thousands of them gave their lives in the Civil War over just that subject. Or, are you of the mindset that the Civil War was about slavery?! And finally, just a little bit about those so-called Amendments; This is the first line of the 17th Amendment; The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. This is the final line of Artile V of the Constitution; ; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate. Shall I, or need I, point out that the 17th Amendment was NOT ratified 100%? Now, want to run some more 'stuff' about the Constitution by me?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
That was fast! Thank you. Usually takes people a couple of months to absorb it.... if they do. As for Dubya, you are correct. Of course, he so seldom does tell the truth, how is someone to know?! And yes, it is an artform; an attorney's word-smith art form, designed to confuse and hide what is actually there. A friend of mine did an education level assessment of it, and he figured that to understand the Constitution with a single reading, you would need 26 years of formal education. I have never found any reason to doubt his findings.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWiggle room. Isn't that the main reason so many cynics distrust all politicians? And isn't it kind of like old read-my-lips promising us no new taxes, but failing to mention that he'd raise the ones that already existed?
#183. To: farmfriend (#181)
To: Peppa
#184. To: Cynicom (#180)
#185. To: rowdee (#184)
I believe the bullet carrier's name was Sarah Moore......
#186. To: Peppa (#182)
Of course they will let someone else put their neck out.
#187. To: RidinShotgun (#186)
I just think they're fiddling while rome burns.
#188. To: Cynicom, RidinShotgun (#186)
#189. To: All, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#188)
#190. To: Peppa (#187)
#191. To: RidinShotgun (#190)
Let me give you an analogy. We're all sitting in the only theater in town and the acting is terrible, the scenery sucks, the plot isn't thickening and everyone is pretty disgusted. What should we do?
#192. To: Peppa (#187)
#193. To: Peppa (#183)
You are probably the most transparent person on this forum.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#194. To: wakeup (#174)
The only game better than the Constitutional Republic, we were given, is a benevolent dictatorship.
#195. To: wakeup. the thread (#174)
WE deal daily, sir. Some doth shuffle too much. You gotta' know when hold 'em and when to fold 'em.
#196. To: Peppa (#191)
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Just walk out and close all the theatres.
#197. To: rowdee (#173)
Explanation, please........
#198. To: Critter (#192)
Cheer up lady. One silly thread does not a forum make, or break.
#199. To: richard9151 (#194)
http://www.brainwashington.info/othersites/Misc%20Authors/Richard%20Gould/There% 20is%20no%20Constitution%20Part%201.pdf
#200. To: rowdee (#175)
Sure makes it sound like there are property taxes being paid to the states, doens't it?
#201. To: RidinShotgun (#196)
You didn't read the rules of the analogy so you lost your train of thought ... there IS no other theater, just as there is no other government.
#202. To: RidinShotgun (#199)
http://www.brainwashington.info/othersites/Misc%20Authors/Richard%20Gould/There% 20is%20no%20Constitution%20Part%201.pdf
#203. To: Peppa (#198)
#204. To: Peppa (#201)
If you speak of secession, then I'm all in. I didn't know that was part of the unspoken question.
#205. To: richard9151 (#202)
#206. To: Critter (#203)
Nah. There are like two naysayers. They just talk a lot. :)
#207. To: RidinShotgun (#204)
Well okay then. Sorry I wasn't clearer. Maybe I'll see you there.
#208. To: Peppa (#207)
#209. To: RidinShotgun, richard9151, Penguinite, coders here (#205)
I've tried it and checked it really carefully and it still won't open.
#210. To: RidinShotgun (#205)
Is there another way to get there?
#211. To: richard9151 (#210)
#212. To: lodwick (#209)
#213. To: RidinShotgun (#208)
I'll probably have all the ice I need hanging from my eyebrows, at least until around May or so.
#214. To: richard9151, RidinShotgun (#134)
Where have you been by the way?! While I was getting 'nailed to the wall' in 4um for posting on the non-sense of the CONstitution?!!!!!????!!!!
#215. To: aristeides (#107)
That's what Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912. And he came close to winning the election that year.
#216. To: lodwick (#195)
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#217. To: RidinShotgun (#186)
The systemic disease infecting this country and its people is so old and so deep rooted that one man could never heal it, short of declaring a dictatorship and ridding the government of its traitors the hard way. I feel pretty confident that no one wants that.
#218. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state.
Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency.
#219. To: iconoclast, RidinShotgun (#214)
Well, aren't you two a pair.
#220. To: richard9151 (#219)
Well, yes, I do believe that we are. Thank you for noticing!
#221. To: aristeides, lodwick (#216)
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It took five or six years before most Americans decided they were not working.
#222. To: RidinShotgun (#220)
I just finished reading part I, good job!!!
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