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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
Source: Meself
URL Source: [None]
Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 7824
Comments: 264

Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading.

Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party.

Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days.

I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory.

Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for.

Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'.

THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job.

I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.

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#218. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state.

That would be me. Thanks.

Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency.

That would be me too. Thanks again! Taking the R nomination is also a great way to eliminate a bunch of other candidates prior to the gen election.

I think it amusing that you claim to know more about 3rd party politics than someone who actually ran as the Libertarian pres candidate 20 years ago.

I don't claim to know with any certainty what will happen with RP during the primaries, which is what separates you and me. But if Ron does place first or second in NH, it will be interesting to see if you will admit being wrong or if you'll apply some spin on the results like Mr. No-Spin-Zone man himself.

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-12-26   19:35:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Pinguinite (#218)

I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state.

That would be me. Thanks.

Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency.

That would be me too. Thanks again! Taking the R nomination is also a great way to eliminate a bunch of other candidates prior to the gen election.

I think it amusing that you claim to know more about 3rd party politics than someone who actually ran as the Libertarian pres candidate 20 years ago.

I don't claim to know with any certainty what will happen with RP during the primaries, which is what separates you and me. But if Ron does place first or second in NH, it will be interesting to see if you will admit being wrong or if you'll apply some spin on the results like Mr. No-Spin-Zone man himself.

I believe that you did support these theories on other threads but you must be aware that there are others who promote such tactics and express their hope that they may succeed. I remember reading a number of articles at the Lew Rockwell site from people suggesting that RP 'could' hijack the GOP nomination. I wrote to them, expressing some doubts, and their replies indicated that they were basing their predictions mostly on wishful thinking.

It is true that I never ran for any officially public office, ever. I grew up in a Communist paradise and my most intense interaction with 'politics' was when I could not have my 'Masters' because I refused to formally join the Communist party - I decided then to do what was right and live with the consequences and sleep well at night. My subsequent instigation of non-violent and 'leaderless' student protests puzzled and frightened the Communist authorities to such degree, they had myself and a number of friends quickly stripped of our citizenship and practically pushed us through the door of the US Embassy with the implied threat that we were going to have no future if we didn't take the opportunity to get out of there - (the fall from paradise?). That experience made me very skeptical of politics, politicians and all forms of collectivism. But... yes...

I shared this because, while I was growing up inside that Communist paradise, there were plenty of published novels and movies, promoting 'the good Commie theory' - that theory was stating that the one good communist, playing by the communist rules alone, could change the communist system because communism was inherently good and it was only bad communists that made it the evil reality that it was. Of course, that was all BS, communism could not be changed from the inside and the communists at the top were evil people because communism was a vehicle or a conduct for evil to be introduced in other people's lives. However, the system 'allowing' for the expression of such theory, mainly via literature and movies, strengthened the system because it gave people some home and it encouraged them to keep 'playing by the rules' and supported the fantasy that communism was a good and sound system that produced evil outcomes by the accident of bad and corrupt people a the top only. The theory that 'a good man' such as Ron Paul could infiltrate a genuinely and structurally evil system (the GOP party and the 2-party abomination) and reform them from the inside is naive and all it does is strengthen and legitimize the system by advancing the illusion that the system is legitimate and reformable.

And, yes, I did not do politics but I do pay some attention to what is going on around me. I don't know who can be more objective: a player inside the system or an observer. Could RP win NH? I don't think so. I sincerely hope that he gets the GOP nomination if this is the path he wishes to take but the odds of that happening are so infinitesimal, we can say with high confidence that it will not happen.

Will I admit of being wrong, if RP wins NH? Sure I will. Again, I don't agree that the goals justify the means. I will be wrong if RP wins NH because I am stating that it would be unlikely for him to do so. I also recall "the system's" response to Buchanan's going after the GOP nomination. Buchanan, arguably much more a GOP than RP can ever be was, indeed, able to surprise the establishment and win ONE primary. Some of us recall the eventual outcome of that quest.

So, let me state or restate this: I do not believe that RP can win even ONE primary or caucus. If he did, of course, I would be proven wrong. And, if he did, I am willing to bet all my not-mortgaged possessions that RP will NOT receive the GOP nomination. If he did, I would be proven wrong but the odds are that I would be doubling my wealth if anyone took the bet. If RP won the GOP nomination, I would be happy for him even though, and this is my personal belief, I can't see how this state and the current globalist world order can survive, with or without RP as the US prez. I wish it was possible to destroy the 2 parties and regenerate our society peacefully and painlessly but, I am afraid, the society as a whole is on a fast, nearly impossible to stop, stampede downhill and the cliff is not too far. Meanwhile, I am encouraging my boys to date Amish girls - they are neighbors - because I am giving them the best chance to survive the upcoming historical discontinuity.

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#248. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#247)

The theory that 'a good man' such as Ron Paul could infiltrate a genuinely and structurally evil system (the GOP party and the 2-party abomination) and reform them from the inside is naive and all it does is strengthen and legitimize the system by advancing the illusion that the system is legitimate and reformable.

That's it, in a nutshell.

And your advice to your sons is, I believe, very wise.

RidinShotgun  posted on  2007-12-27 10:10:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#247)

I wasn't aware of your background in actively working against the communist party. That's helpful in understanding where you're coming from. Thank you.

There's a big, big difference between the GOP in the USA and the communist party in whichever country you came from, and that is that the GOP is not synonymous with the government. The GOP cannot do the things the communists could do because they have no direct power. The GOP cannot pass laws, cannot pass budgets, cannot enforce laws, exile people or throw people in jail. That is something the government can do, but not the GOP.

All the GOP does in the USA, as does any political party including 3rd parties is create a political platform which is nothing more than a wish list of what they'd like to see the government do. Party candidates are not obligated to adhere to the party platform at all and field candidates that hopefully adhere to the platform. But the choice of who wins a nomination is not controlled by party heads as you doubtless experienced with the commies. That instead is up to mass voting by the people at large and it happens regularly when a non-traditional candidate causes controversy by running a campaign that is contrary to the platform. The R platform itself, if it broadcast, would likely not even be recognized by most R's. I heard the Texas R platform discussed and the candidate most matching it is none other than Ron Paul himself.

Given that the only thing the R party really has the authority to do is field a candidate for office, there is no harm in a principled man like Ron Paul to seek it's nomination.

The communist party where you came from WAS the government. That's not the case here. It's an important difference.

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