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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
Source: Meself
URL Source: [None]
Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 8633
Comments: 264

Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading.

Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party.

Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days.

I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory.

Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for.

Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'.

THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job.

I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.

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#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

You make some very good points and I know that your opinions on this are based on history and the fact that for decades we've not had legitimate elections. Having said that, I think that what is happening now with Ron Paul's candidacy has never happened before. We can make some comparisons to the Perot bid and the Buchanan bid, but back then, there was not the awakening of near the number of Americans to the fraud and the corrupt government that there is now. Nor has there has been the amount of grassroots activism like now.

Who knows what we the people can accomplish? But, certainly, you can't argue that what we need is a critical mass. Our strength can only be in numbers so what does it hurt to try? Most, if not all of us realize that this is it. This is our last chance--our last hope. I doubt that few will experience a "major major disappointment" as I believe we're all pretty much grounded in reality. Still, none of us can say with certainty what is going to happen.

christine  posted on  2007-12-24   15:41:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#28)

What this thread is exposing is the reality of Botism, RP-style. Like in a football show, some fans want their side to win so much, they are suspending all judgment and, generally, they agree that 'everything goes' if it's going to give them a win.

Many of W's voters in 2000 came from people who were so much disgusted of Clinton's 'leadership' they helped put W ahead of others because, they claimed 'he could win' and, while they did so, they refused to see W's obvious flaws such as incompetence, lack of experience, mental retardation and his membership in a oligarchy family vastly more powerful that Clinton's.

In the case of RP, he does stand, heads an shoulders, above everyone else in the run at this time. I was fascinated by RP's career long before he decided to run for US prez. in 2007. He is a good man. He is not a good orator but the force of the ideas he is discussing with average oratoric skills is great enough to make him noticed. What puzzles me to no end is his insistence in staying a GOP and his promise not to 'betray' the GOPs and 'go independent'. I have no doubt that he is smart enough to know that he is not going to get the GOP nomination. He won't because, as we all know, even though the RP-bots refuse to let reality disturb them, the GOP, as big a tent as it may be, is standing now fair and square for big war, big state, big borrowing and Big Brother. RP-bots will not be able to hijack the nomination from under the noses of the GOP establishment so his current run as a GOP, as I explained already, is only going to strengthen the 2-party system. RP will help the establishment carry on the illusion that the 2-party system offers the voters 'choice'.

Now, regarding Perot's and Buchanan's runs for the US presidency. Perot, as an indie, could have won but something was done to make him sabotage his own campaign. At the height of his popularity he withdrew citing some lame and kookish reason (the Bush campaign was going to mess up his daughter wedding). When he returned, he was damaged goods already and all he did was help carry on the illusion of 'choice' and reinforce the concept of the 2-party system inevitability.

Buchanan one, where he ran as a GOP insurgent, attempting to hijack the nomination from the establishment, he won a primary then the GOP's crushed him. His run reinforced the notion that the 2-parties do offer 'choice' and that anyone that the establishment doesn't like should be called 'an anti-semite' or 'an extremist'. RP is doing much worse amongst the GOP today than Buchanan did during his first run as a GOP.

Buchanan two, where he was an indie, there were very high expectations and he stood a chance to run well against the 2-party opponents. Instead of discussing his vision and exposing the 2-party system for what it was, Buchanan and his campaign spend their energy trying to get Ross Perot's money - the Reform Party's bank account- and hijack control of his party. It was a stupid thing and it offered the media an excuse to ridicule Buchanan, the idea of 'a third party' and to help reinforce the notion of the 2-party 'mainstream' monopoly.

RP two - and I have now idea what he did as a libertarian running for prez back in the 80's - stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP now and presents himself as the right choice with Hillary and Giuliani as his pathetic and so very similar opponents. That chances diminishes to next to nothing if he participates in the GOP nomination process and loses, which is as close to certain as the likelihood of another sunrise tomorrow.

Now, on the botish reactions on this thread. I see that a couple of them, out of the blue, accuse me of being a 'Hillary supporter', which is super-funny at some level. A couple are also blaming me for 'staying on the sidelines'. These reactions are very typical of the level of irrationality the frustration with the 2-parties and the overwhelming desire to follow some leader. The 'Hillary' accusation, I will not dignify it with an answer. As for 'staying on the sidelines' - if they actually read my post - they would have noticed that I was curious about the RP supporters reaction to the reality of RP winning zero GOP state contests. I am still curious and it will be something interesting to watch and study. Right now, they are talking about registering GOP. What are they going to do when the GOP primary and caucus voters show them that the GOP is not 'their' party and it shouldn't be RP's party either? I am also curious of what will RP do. My prediction: not much. But... let's see.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-12-25   9:05:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)

Now, on the botish reactions on this thread. I see that a couple of them, out of the blue, accuse me of being a 'Hillary supporter', which is super-funny at some level. A couple are also blaming me for 'staying on the sidelines'.

vast...

Dont be cowardly, name names...

Until you realize there is ONE party in this political system, you have nothing to offer anyone here on 4um.

You found it somehow to be necessary to write an epistle with your own opinions. That was your mistake. Posting comments of opinions is welcomed but posting an epistle that would have us believe that somehow we are all operating in the dark and only vast is aware of the political system in this country was arrogance first class.

You have exposed yourself as one that is in fact a sideliner by your own words, not mine, just read what you have written. There are "talkers" and there are "doers" when any action is needed in any circumstance.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-25   9:24:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#39) (Edited)

Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, was on C-SPAN this morning. I was only half-listening, but I think he said that Ron Paul is now polling in the double digits, at 10%, nationwide.

He also said people should be taking Ron Paul's candidacy a lot more seriously.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-25   9:42:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: aristeides (#40)

stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP

Vast says he "stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP".

Whatever shall we do if he loses in all 3 parties. I'm beside myself with curiosity. I'm curious. What will I do. I do not have a plan for my curiosity. I will have to think about this more. Focus on a plan. I wonder if other people have plans. I'm curious. I think I will write a lot about my curiosity. I was curious before other elections, I think. But I didn't take the time to write it down. I should've though, so I could remember to note what happened after I found out the result. I'm sure I heard it on TV. Not the radio. I'm really stretching my memory at this point, but I am certain I was no longer curious. I treated it like, well, news. I generally don't have a plan for other news I hear. I'm not curious about it enough I guess. I wonder if other people are curious about it. I mean, I like to know what the news is, and if it's bad, I hope someone else will fix it. I only have time to listen to part of it anyway.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-25   9:52:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Peppa (#42)

Are you related to Palo Verde?

RickyJ  posted on  2007-12-25   19:43:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: RickyJ (#79)

Are you related to Palo Verde?

Are you?

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-25   19:59:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Peppa (#81)

Do you know Palo Verde?

RickyJ  posted on  2007-12-25   20:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: RickyJ (#82)

Do you know Palo Verde?

Do you?

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-25   20:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Peppa (#83)

Yeah I know her in cyberspace, not personally. Your post I replied to kind of reminded me of some of her posts.

RickyJ  posted on  2007-12-25   20:14:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#85. To: RickyJ (#84)

Yeah I know her in cyberspace, not personally. Your post I replied to kind of reminded me of some of her posts.

Okay.

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