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Title: Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's Built-In Loss)
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Published: Dec 24, 2007
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2007-12-24 10:19:48 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Merry Xmas everyone and may your grandest wishes come true, for as long as they don't come into conflict with my own :). I haven't done a vanity in a long, long, long time but I felt that it's important to discuss the reality of where RP is currently heading. Disclaimer: I stand for just about everything RP stands for. 'Just about' stands for his continuing membership in the stupid, evil, dangerous GOP party. Now, on the topic of Ron Paul. I just watched a clip of him on the Tim Russert show where RP re-stated in the most forceful way that he has no intention whatsoever to run for US Prez outside of the GOP reservation. The inescapable conclusion, therefore, is that RP is really running for the GOP nomination and, of course, he is NOT going to get it. He is not even going to be a close third or fourth. In the end, you will find RP trailing Huckabee, McCain, Thompson, Giuliani and just about everyone else who stands for Bush, War and the fat State way because this is what the GOP membership is standing for these days. I am fully aware of the 'hijacking' theory. Its exponents believe that, somehow, the RP activists are going to show up all 100% of them to vote in primaries and everyone else's supporters are going to stay home and we will see RP winning state after state after state. This is, of course, nonsense. Reality is coming on Jan 3, I believe, and Jan 2 will be the last time you are going to hear about the hijacking theory. Then, I heard someone here stating that 'the 2 parties' are nothing but tools for whomever is seeking the presidency to get the presidency. This, my friends, is as naive as it gets. The parties are Mafia-like organizations whose aim is to seek, get and exercise political power for the benefit of the inner circles who own them and they as much a 'free' tool for the people the parties put forward for the voters to vote on as the Mafia is a tool for the Mafia bosses. The inner circle has no use for RP, he does not support the type of 'leadership' they are paying for. Now, RP is going to lose. He took millions of dollars from supporters who refused to accept that he can NOT win the US presidency under the stinky and filthy flag of the GOP. He was asked repeatedly whether he would consider running as an independent, OPPOSING the 2 monstrous political Mafias and, every time he answered the question, the answer was a strong 'NO'. THE FUTURE: the next US Prez is going to be Hillary, O'Bama, Giuliani, Romney or, maybe, Huckabee. Ron Paul will win ZERO primaries/caucuses and, if he is true to his words, he will get back to delivering babies and representing his Texas district. I suspect that RP is going to be very much at peace with himself but, what are his supporters going to feel about it? What are they going to do? They supported a campaign for the US presidency that was built from the ground up to lose the race - and they refused to see it because they liked the excitement. Are they going to be sad? Angry? What would be the consequences of RP's campaign? The main consequence that I see is that of legitimizing the 2-party system. RP is a saint among politicians. He says and does all the right things and, yet, he insists in staying inside the GOP party and he retreats when the GOP, as predicted and as expected, deals him a humiliating defeat in his attempt to represent the political Cosa Nostra - because he is not a made made and he is not from the families. However, staying as an 'unmade' member of the organization, he adds credibility to it. It would be something close to Jesus joining the Pharisees and seeking Caiafa's job. I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality. Just you all keep in mind that, while 'the media' and 'the corrupt politicians' can be blamed for RP's inability to win the GOP nomination, the main problem is RP's seeking the GOP nomination instead of running for the US presidency and seeking the support of the people, not the nod of the GOP party bosses.
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#30. To: robin (#27)
thanks Robin! I discovered there that a Dr. Hugh Cort is on the republican ballot, in alabama anyway. he lives near me, but I've never heard of him. here's his platform:
lol! I'm so sorry you live anywhere near someone who supports this. Come to think of it, we all probably do ;p
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Anyone who isn't paranoid isn't paying attention. Either that or they have a vested interest in perpetuating the scams and holding on to the status quo.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. bingo
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Political reality? I think not. The political reality is Ron Paul is not only going to win, he is going to crush the competition. He is the only candidate to have over 1200 meetup groups around the nation. And the only candidate who is getting the majority of his campaign money from small private donations, and the only Republican one that will raise 19 million+ in the 4th quarter. Ron Paul has won all but one debate poll. He has won the majority of state straw polls. That my friend is the political reality. The ONLY way Ron Paul can be beat now by anyone, Republican or Democrat, is to fix the election.
God is always good!
Just amazing how that works, isn't it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Merry Christmas to all. Thanks for the joke page. It is so nice to see everyone of you hiliary clinton supporters out to entertain us Paul supporters. Being Christmas eve with all the stress, it is so refreshing and relaxing to read this thread and see the humor in it. Iwrote down all your names and made a floppy of this thread so that if I get to feeling down and stressed out, I may be able to download the floppy for a pickerupper should that happen. In the mean time, I'll be pondering why you all claim Ron Paul is doing and saying the right things, and yet you all seem to be pleased to make the call that hiliary will clean Dr. Paul's clock. If I can think of a good joke later on I will post it to this joke thread. Oh, and a Happy New Year too!! Lac
your opinion?
What this thread is exposing is the reality of Botism, RP-style. Like in a football show, some fans want their side to win so much, they are suspending all judgment and, generally, they agree that 'everything goes' if it's going to give them a win. Many of W's voters in 2000 came from people who were so much disgusted of Clinton's 'leadership' they helped put W ahead of others because, they claimed 'he could win' and, while they did so, they refused to see W's obvious flaws such as incompetence, lack of experience, mental retardation and his membership in a oligarchy family vastly more powerful that Clinton's. In the case of RP, he does stand, heads an shoulders, above everyone else in the run at this time. I was fascinated by RP's career long before he decided to run for US prez. in 2007. He is a good man. He is not a good orator but the force of the ideas he is discussing with average oratoric skills is great enough to make him noticed. What puzzles me to no end is his insistence in staying a GOP and his promise not to 'betray' the GOPs and 'go independent'. I have no doubt that he is smart enough to know that he is not going to get the GOP nomination. He won't because, as we all know, even though the RP-bots refuse to let reality disturb them, the GOP, as big a tent as it may be, is standing now fair and square for big war, big state, big borrowing and Big Brother. RP-bots will not be able to hijack the nomination from under the noses of the GOP establishment so his current run as a GOP, as I explained already, is only going to strengthen the 2-party system. RP will help the establishment carry on the illusion that the 2-party system offers the voters 'choice'. Now, regarding Perot's and Buchanan's runs for the US presidency. Perot, as an indie, could have won but something was done to make him sabotage his own campaign. At the height of his popularity he withdrew citing some lame and kookish reason (the Bush campaign was going to mess up his daughter wedding). When he returned, he was damaged goods already and all he did was help carry on the illusion of 'choice' and reinforce the concept of the 2-party system inevitability. Buchanan one, where he ran as a GOP insurgent, attempting to hijack the nomination from the establishment, he won a primary then the GOP's crushed him. His run reinforced the notion that the 2-parties do offer 'choice' and that anyone that the establishment doesn't like should be called 'an anti-semite' or 'an extremist'. RP is doing much worse amongst the GOP today than Buchanan did during his first run as a GOP. Buchanan two, where he was an indie, there were very high expectations and he stood a chance to run well against the 2-party opponents. Instead of discussing his vision and exposing the 2-party system for what it was, Buchanan and his campaign spend their energy trying to get Ross Perot's money - the Reform Party's bank account- and hijack control of his party. It was a stupid thing and it offered the media an excuse to ridicule Buchanan, the idea of 'a third party' and to help reinforce the notion of the 2-party 'mainstream' monopoly. RP two - and I have now idea what he did as a libertarian running for prez back in the 80's - stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP now and presents himself as the right choice with Hillary and Giuliani as his pathetic and so very similar opponents. That chances diminishes to next to nothing if he participates in the GOP nomination process and loses, which is as close to certain as the likelihood of another sunrise tomorrow. Now, on the botish reactions on this thread. I see that a couple of them, out of the blue, accuse me of being a 'Hillary supporter', which is super-funny at some level. A couple are also blaming me for 'staying on the sidelines'. These reactions are very typical of the level of irrationality the frustration with the 2-parties and the overwhelming desire to follow some leader. The 'Hillary' accusation, I will not dignify it with an answer. As for 'staying on the sidelines' - if they actually read my post - they would have noticed that I was curious about the RP supporters reaction to the reality of RP winning zero GOP state contests. I am still curious and it will be something interesting to watch and study. Right now, they are talking about registering GOP. What are they going to do when the GOP primary and caucus voters show them that the GOP is not 'their' party and it shouldn't be RP's party either? I am also curious of what will RP do. My prediction: not much. But... let's see.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
vast... Dont be cowardly, name names... Until you realize there is ONE party in this political system, you have nothing to offer anyone here on 4um. You found it somehow to be necessary to write an epistle with your own opinions. That was your mistake. Posting comments of opinions is welcomed but posting an epistle that would have us believe that somehow we are all operating in the dark and only vast is aware of the political system in this country was arrogance first class. You have exposed yourself as one that is in fact a sideliner by your own words, not mine, just read what you have written. There are "talkers" and there are "doers" when any action is needed in any circumstance.
Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster, was on C-SPAN this morning. I was only half-listening, but I think he said that Ron Paul is now polling in the double digits, at 10%, nationwide. He also said people should be taking Ron Paul's candidacy a lot more seriously.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Paul would be the choice of the people if elected, and that cannot be allowed. Kristol in calling Paul a crackpot has started the offensive that MSM will use to marginalize if not destroy Paul. Americans must not elect a person of their choice. If I recall correctly, Kristol even said Paul hated America or something to that effect. That from a man that evaded the draft while Paul served.
Vast says he "stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP". Whatever shall we do if he loses in all 3 parties. I'm beside myself with curiosity. I'm curious. What will I do. I do not have a plan for my curiosity. I will have to think about this more. Focus on a plan. I wonder if other people have plans. I'm curious. I think I will write a lot about my curiosity. I was curious before other elections, I think. But I didn't take the time to write it down. I should've though, so I could remember to note what happened after I found out the result. I'm sure I heard it on TV. Not the radio. I'm really stretching my memory at this point, but I am certain I was no longer curious. I treated it like, well, news. I generally don't have a plan for other news I hear. I'm not curious about it enough I guess. I wonder if other people are curious about it. I mean, I like to know what the news is, and if it's bad, I hope someone else will fix it. I only have time to listen to part of it anyway.
Pep... Good morning. Vast even added a touch of immorality to Pauls bid for the presidency. If one wants to look at morality they would learn that the entire system is corrupt, immoral if you will. However it is the only system there is, we either work within the corruption or we stay on the sidelines and whine.
Good morning. Vast even added a touch of immorality to Pauls bid for the presidency. If one wants to look at morality they would learn that the entire system is corrupt, immoral if you will. However it is the only system their is, we either work within the corruption or we stay on the sidelines and whine. Good Morning Cyni. Yes, I caught that yesterday as well. I hang on every word. Without such brilliance, I really don't know how we can continue anything. Someone has a screw loose. I have never seen such a ridiculous obession play out like this. Maybe, it's best for Obi Wan Kenobe there to stay on the curb.
I have yet to see a comparable political situation. Ron Paul has support from every quarter of society and the unique position of having a 20 year track record of excellence. He also has the internet communications network supplying more energy, contributing more dollars and converts than the competition. Kennedy had the Catholic Church network with its publications, sermons, organizations, Bingo and millions of energetic supporters when he made his run, and I saw that as a child. There were posters everywhere, people in the streets talking about it, people attending conferences and meetings etc., similar to what appears to be happening with Ron Paul. Ron Paul is hated by his own party. He will have more problem getting nominated than he would have getting elected. I think the secret to his success lies in the nomination process. Get him nominated and he will be elected. That's my 2 cents worth !
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
I have been preaching that for a long time but to no avail. Glad you share the view.
What can we do to help get him nominated?
Personally I think the people have to get in the streets everywhere across the country so much so that their numbers are obvious and cannot be disputed. The people of other countries have benefited greatly from getting in the street, my view is that's the only message able to prevail against the embedded oligarchy. The young people, college students and others will make or break this fight for freedom. It looks like they see the importance of it and many have joined the fight. The oppressive and invasive nature of current government policy hasn't gone unnoticed by them.
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
Glad you asked. Money is always the prime need but it alone will not accomplish the job. It takes thinking and doing, big and small, by many people, such as the money bombs and the blimp and the 4um ad. Waiting for someone else to do it has gotten this country into this mess.
Let me add that I have not seen a better opportunity to tear down or at least significantly impede the progress of the ruling war mongers in my lifetime.
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
I've been thinking that there's a half-life to tyranny. Without drastic measures to enforce it, the mechanisms used lose their effect. This generation of American youth coming up has experienced brainwashing like none other before it. Perhaps they are waking up to the reasons behind that.
The MSM will not get the message out, and advertisements can only do so much. Some people will google Ron Paul and learn what he stands for, but many more will have to be reached one-on-one. Discuss him with family, friends, co-workers, associates. Show how he has credible arguments for eliminating the income tax, People will start to look and think for themselves.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
In that vein, I asked a friend if he could support Ron Paul. His answer... "I am a democrat".
Not every approach will be successful. But discussions -- particularly issue-driven -- can plant seeds. Perhaps you could ask your friend if they believe Hillary or Obama will end the war in Iraq and bring the troops home.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
One cannot over-emphasize the importance of this election. The vulchers from both parties are hovering above the corpse of our country, and can't wait to claim a mandate to imprison us and our descendants in a feudal system ... forever !
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
Democrats are going to have to face the facts: do they want to war to end, or do they want Fed-funded welfare. They can have welfare a little longer under Ron Paul, but he'll lead us away from both war and socialism. I wish I could teach them what I know: a big federal welfare state requires an empire to pay for its excesses. They can't be unlinked.
He thinks the war is fine and that Bush is doing a good job there, but, everything else Bush does is bad so we need a democrat President. Sounds like a dummy?? Not at all. He has full faith in the two party system. On the other hand I have friends that are pubs and scoff at Paul and are supporting McLame and Il Rude.
The overwhelming advantage to genuine Constitutional Government is that it isn't biased in favor of anyone or any group. I think Ron Paul already enjoys a good deal of "democrat" support. This country hasn't had an open, honest leader in a hundred years or more. It's time we did.
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
Join a Ron Paul Meetup Group.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I am so olde that I remember when the Federal Government was a bunch of squirrels that lived in a swamp somewhere down South in MD and VA. And then FDR and the fellow travelers found out the way to eternal power was via the US Treasury. Having lived that part of history, it is indeed difficult to get the younger people to understand that his monster of a government has not always been so. We lived just fine without it.
Your musings about squirrels reminded me of Pogo's famous quote. "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
You would have loved Rutherford B. Hayes. No, I was not olde enough to vote for him. Hayes promised two things, he would serve one term and go away and there would be no corruption. He delivered on both. His wife promised no booze in the Whitehouse and she delivered on that.
How can we broadcast that meme? I think it's correct, it's honest, and it's why we need Ron Paul the most. On our own and in our respective "groups" (whatever those are from moment to moment) we would do so much better on our own. When "groups" get control, we all lose. The individual has rights given by the Creator. The rest are dealing with the devil when they put their collective controls on our government.
I am a Green and support Dr. Paul. Sounds like your neighbor doesn't understand that under the sheep skin of most Democratic leaders is a 'Republicrat' wolf. There is no real two party system anymore in Bush's America where the Constitution is treated like a "God damn piece of paper."
I understand you labeling yourself a green. I have been so sick of labels that I am just an American, nothing else. I use to be a conservative but that has fallen into disgrace so I am just an olde bald headed American. Everything else no longer matters to me.
This country hasn't had an open, honest leader in a hundred years or more. It's time we did. Justin Raimondo agrees. The sheer breadth of the anti-Paul Popular Front is an astonishing sight to behold, extending all the way from avowed Nazis to radical Zionists, from Noam Chomsky to Glenn Beck. Both Fox News and the International Socialist Organization are out for Paul's scalp – and you can tell an awful lot about people by their enemies. What this tells me about Ron Paul is that he's just what many people on both sides of the political spectrum have been waiting and hoping for. Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The thing I personally think is imperative as a country consisting of free peoples is to comprehend and obtain an understanding that the collective cannot vote themselves a superior position to that of the individual with respect to fundamental rights.
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
No shit, when you see those that should be for him instead villifying him at every opportunity ... the hypocrisy becomes nauseating. (Glenn Beck immediately comes to mind notwithstanding his pretty fair interview).
"We are much beholden to Machiavelli and others, that write what men do, and not what they ought to do." --- Francis Bacon
hehehe..teasin' ya...i do believe that's the first time i've ever seen you misspell a word!
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest According to his campaign literature Dr. Cort is running for President of the United States "because the Lord has given me a very important message to give to America. This message is that America has gotten so far away from God and His protection, with abortion, homosexual marriage, and many other sins, that destruction is coming on America a million times worse than 9/11." Cort's campaign literature goes on to say. "Another reason I am running is to push for 'The McInerney Plan.' My friend General Tom McInerney, Fox News military analyst, says we will never win the War in Iraq until we deal with Iran..."
According to the campaign literature, The McInerney Plan says "we need to take out Iran's 24 nuclear sites and Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs' headquarters, and that we can do so in a 24 hour bombing campaign. Then the moderates in Iran can take their country back, things will finally settle down in Iraq, we will have stopped Iran from getting nuclear weapons and starting World War III... Don't you wish we had listened to Winston Churchill when he begged us to stop Hitler before he got big?"
#31. To: kiki (#30)
According to the campaign literature, The McInerney Plan says "we need to take out Iran's 24 nuclear sites and Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs' headquarters, and that we can do so in a 24 hour bombing campaign.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#32. To: Mister Clean (#22)
You have no idea how paranoid you sound.
Lord Acton
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
Either that or they have a vested interest in perpetuating the scams and holding on to the status quo.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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I will be watching with interest how the RP fantasy gets itself crushed by the inevitable political reality.
#35. To: robin (#33)
bingo
Lord Acton
#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
Get Ready for a Major, Major Disappointment (Ron Paul's
#37. To: noone222 (#0)
#38. To: christine (#28)
#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)
Now, on the botish reactions on this thread. I see that a couple of them, out of the blue, accuse me of being a 'Hillary supporter', which is super-funny at some level. A couple are also blaming me for 'staying on the sidelines'.
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
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#41. To: aristeides (#40)
He also said people should be taking Ron Paul's candidacy a lot more seriously.
#42. To: aristeides (#40)
stands maybe a 10% chance to win the presidency if he quits the GOP
#43. To: Peppa (#42)
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I only have time to listen to part of it anyway.
#44. To: Cynicom (#43)
Pep...
#45. To: christine (#37)
your opinion?
#46. To: noone222 (#45)
He will have more problem getting nominated than he would have getting elected.
#47. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#46)
#48. To: buckeye (#47)
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#49. To: buckeye (#47)
What can we do to help get him nominated?
#50. To: buckeye (#47)
#51. To: noone222, Cynicom (#48)
The oppressive and invasive nature of current government policy hasn't gone unnoticed by them.
#52. To: Cynicom, buckeye (#49)
bringing the troops home -- discuss how many countries we have troops posted in --
discuss that there is a credible economic answer to the inflation of $3-4/gas and $4-5/milk and $4 hamburger.
#53. To: DeaconBenjamin (#52)
#54. To: Cynicom (#53)
#55. To: DeaconBenjamin (#52)
Discuss him with family, friends, co-workers, associates.
#56. To: Cynicom, DeaconBenjamin (#53)
#57. To: DeaconBenjamin (#54)
#58. To: buckeye (#56)
#59. To: buckeye (#47)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#60. To: buckeye (#56)
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a big federal welfare state requires an empire to pay for its excesses. They can't be unlinked.
#61. To: Cynicom (#60)
(Edited)
#62. To: noone222 (#58)
This country hasn't had an open, honest leader in a hundred years or more. It's time we did.
#63. To: noone222, Cynicom, robin (#58)
The overwhelming advantage to genuine Constitutional Government is that it isn't biased in favor of anyone or any group.
#64. To: Cynicom (#57)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
#66. To: noone222 (#58)
I think Ron Paul already enjoys a good deal of "democrat" support.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#67. To: buckeye (#63)
#68. To: robin (#66)
#69. To: noone222 (#55)
vulchers ?
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