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Title: One More Hate Letter
Source: Davidduke.com
URL Source: http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=309#more-309
Published: Jun 16, 2005
Author: David Duke
Post Date: 2005-06-16 12:43:15 by Zoroaster
Keywords: Letter, More, Hate
Views: 2460
Comments: 129

6/14/2005 One More Hate Letter Posted under: General— @ 8:51 am

Hate Letters Department

The following is an excerpt from another Hate Letter from one of my obviously not-so-enamored admirers. I thought you might enjoy my response so I will share it with you.

Dear Mr. Duke:

I commend to you the article by Paul Johnson, the prominent historian, in the June issue of Commentary magazine concerning Anti-Semitism being a persistent mental disease. This confirms what I wrote you several years ago, concerning getting help from a psychiatrist.

Incidentally,while you are in the Ukraine, I suggest you visit Babi Yar.

I am sure you are making a lot of money from your skinhead and anti-semitic followers, but you evidently do not believe in the fatherhood of God, and the brotherhood of men. How sad.

R. Ginson

Your letter is typical of the absolute blind sightedness of the Jewish supremacism mental illness that YOU are infected with. Why do you mention Babi Yar in Ukraine, why no mention of the 7 million men, women and children murdered by the Jewish Bolshevik Kaganovich and his other Bolshevik henchmen. You obviously only value Jewish lives. To you only the Jews who died at Babi Yar are even worth mentioning, the 7 million Gentiles are just goyim to you!

Don’t tell me about supremacism and racial hatred, go tell that to the NPR and Likud Party and the mass murderer Ariel Sharon and all of you damned Jewish supremacist accessories to his and Israel’s ethnic cleansing, torture and murder. If anti-Semitism is a disease, then what is anti-Gentilism, what is the Chosen People (master race) genocide boasted about in the Torah and Talmud? ( “and they killed every man, women, child, and spared not a thing that breathes")

In fact the three main holidays are about genocide of Jewish enemies. Passover, the Passing of the evil spirit over the Jewish homes and striking down the first born of all Egyptians; Purim, the slaughter of Haman and 75,000 persians; and Hannakuk, the bloody massacre of the Greeks and the capture of the temple in Jerusalem. It seems your whole favored religion is rooted in genocide while Christianity is based on love and forgiveness. Not to even understand this tells me that you may well be the sick one, and you are the one who needs some help.

Give your canned “Brotherhood of Man” speech to Jewish supremacists that you dare not oppose.

I believe all people deserve respect and all people have a right to exist and have societies based on their own values and heritage. But, I really don’t take kindly to Jewish supremacists and their defenders who are trying to destroy my own heritage and freedom as well as every other people on the planet.

If you want an example of the “Brotherhood of Man” launched by those wonderful supremacists such as Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Crystal and Wurmser take a look at our 1700 dead American patriots in Iraq, and 20,000 maimed Americans there as well as the 100,000 Iraqis who died and the hundreds of thousands who have been maimed and hurt in this bloody, insane war for Israel. Are you so stupid as not to know that this was a war created by the Jewish supremacists for Israel’s benefit?

As for your suggestion about me making money opposing the Jewish extremists. Nothing is more costly and hard than going against the Jewish supremacist powers. As one Jewish observer said, “There is no business like Shoah business!” Holocaust mania and praising the Jewish supremacists can land you the media appearances and publishing contracts and the really big bucks. Opposing them causes a constant struggle to financially survive.

As for going to a psychiatrist, remember that the father of psychiatry, Freud himself, was a vicious hater of Gentiles who wrote of his desire to destroy Europeans (see the quotations of Freud cited and fully footnoted in my book).

I am sure a Jewish psychiatrist will pronounce anyone who opposes Jewish hatred to be mentally ill. Maybe you should go see your Jewish psychiatrist, pay him a few shekels and I am sure he will tell how you how loving and wonderful you are to worship the Jewish supremacists and blind your eyes to the oceans of blood found in their wake.

Sincerely,

David Duke

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#89. To: noone222 (#88)

SO you are saying that all the disciples and apostles were wrong and you're right.. uh huh.. You need help ..

Candles in the Rain

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-19   11:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Zipporah (#89)

SO you are saying that all the disciples and apostles were wrong and you're right.. uh huh.. You need help ..

No, I didn't say that the apostles or disciples were wrong ... I said you are wrong, and you're too stubborn in your blind ignorance to admit it.

Throughout history "priests" have been the ones to force the populace at large to sacrifice their children to Molech, etc., todays ministers, preachers and priests are no different, nor are THEIR ADHERENTS !

It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !

noone222  posted on  2005-06-19   12:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: noone222 (#90)

No, I didn't say that the apostles or disciples were wrong ... I said you are wrong, and you're too stubborn in your blind ignorance to admit it.

What I believe is in absolute accord with the apostles and disciples.. so.. get on the clue bus..

Candles in the Rain

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-19   12:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Barak (#84)

Thanks for the appreciation, but I'm afraid there's not much affirmation involved, at least not this time. I'm a 144-hour Creationist, myself. (I'm a professional software developer, and I know a little too much about information theory to be tempted by evolution.)

I should have worded that better; our agreement on certain points rather than affirmation. I find value in your arguments because you've applied some critical thought and scrutiny to the material presented, rather than simply take everything at face value (and making far-fetched excuses for it as believers are inclined to do). For you, I gather, the scripture simply "is that it is". I respect that, because I view the higher power(s) the same way. My problem is I try to reconcile their method to creating/managing the world as our minds are capable of understanding it (science) and I've never been able to fit the square peg of Christianity into a round hole.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-19   13:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Barak, Zipporah, Starwind, Tom007 (#75)

Also, if you actually look the passage up and examine the context, you'll find that Peter is talking not about Creation, but about end-time prophecy. He's saying that the Day of the Lord cannot be pinned down accurately by men, because "with the Lord a thousand years are as a day, and a day as a thousand years." Applying that prooftext out of context is another danger factor.

In God's reality there is no time, I believe that applies to the creation as well.

Diana  posted on  2005-06-19   17:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Diana (#93)

In God's reality there is no time, I believe that applies to the creation as well.

Exactly..

Candles in the Rain

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-19   17:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Dude Lebowski (#81)

Point! I always thought it was unfair and disingenuous to attribute this epic strife, this slow and painstaking progress which emerged from a sea of blood to the wave of a hand from an irritable, brooding desert-tribe deity who exhibits the most questionable personal characteristics of mankind.

This part has always bothered me as well, the OT God does seem to possess some of the more blood-thristy aspects of human beings.

Diana  posted on  2005-06-19   17:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: noone222 (#88)

I don't believe in the rapture. I suppose that means I will go to hell.

If I had lived 300 years ago and believed in the rapture then I would have gone to hell.

Diana  posted on  2005-06-19   17:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Dude Lebowski (#92)

I should have worded that better; our agreement on certain points rather than affirmation. I find value in your arguments because you've applied some critical thought and scrutiny to the material presented, rather than simply take everything at face value (and making far-fetched excuses for it as believers are inclined to do).

It seems to me that you'd either take things at face value, or you'd make excuses for them, but not both.

I'm not a literalist. Actually, nobody's a literalist. Some people may claim to be literalists, but they're not really, and by making the claim they're setting themselves up to be ridiculed. I'm a normativist, which means that I strive to understand Scripture in the way its original intended audience would have understood it. Sometimes that's literal, sometimes it's figurative, sometimes it's poetic; but in the case of the sequence (first day, second day, etc.) and the day length (evening and morning, the fifth day) in Genesis 1, it's definitely literal.

For you, I gather, the scripture simply "is that it is". I respect that, because I view the higher power(s) the same way.

I don't know that I'd say that. I don't mean to be offensive or presumptuous here, but I'm personally acquainted with God. As part of a relationship like that, the Scripture takes on a whole different perspective. You might say that it's illuminated, in a way. If you don't share the relationship, then it would be silly for me to argue Scripture with you, in the same way that it would be silly for me to argue with a bumblebee about how it's physically impossible for him to fly.

My problem is I try to reconcile their method to creating/managing the world as our minds are capable of understanding it (science) and I've never been able to fit the square peg of Christianity into a round hole.

Actually, if you think about it, I believe you'll see that our minds are capable of comprehending much, much more than science, including things like love, beauty, and sorrow. Science is good, and very useful when confined to its proper domain; but it can't and shouldn't be applied everywhere. For example: apply science to your next argument with your wife, and you're liable to find yourself in the doghouse for a [i]week.[/i]

I don't mean to say that you can't find God in science: quite the opposite. But it's very difficult to find him there until after you already know what he looks like.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-19   23:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Diana (#93)

In God's reality there is no time, I believe that applies to the creation as well.

That brings up the fascinating subject of the dimensionality of God. Based on the work I've done, I believe I can make a good (extra-biblical) argument that God has at least six dimensions, possibly more (ordinary Cartesian orthogonal dimensions like on a graph, not weird metaphysical dimensions), and that he is a simultaneity rather than having any sort of sequence forced on him the way our time dimension is forced on us.

But if Creation didn't involve time, then what did the writer of Genesis mean by talking about all those evenings and mornings?

Barak  posted on  2005-06-19   23:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Dude Lebowski (#77)

Well the bible does say something to the effect of "I will bless he who blesses Israel and curse he who curses Israel".

UUUGGGHHH. That sounds terribly indefinite.

If you love America, you'll hate Israel.

wbales  posted on  2005-06-19   23:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Diana (#96)

I don't believe in the rapture. I suppose that means I will go to hell.

If I had lived 300 years ago and believed in the rapture then I would have gone to hell.

Huh?

Barak  posted on  2005-06-19   23:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Barak (#76)

Are you with me?

Yes but I would allow the government some tax money--very little, however.

If you love America, you'll hate Israel.

wbales  posted on  2005-06-19   23:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: wbales (#99)

UUUGGGHHH. That sounds terribly indefinite.

Hey, Who am I to argue with fundamentalists? ;)

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-20   0:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Barak (#97)

I'm personally acquainted with God. As part of a relationship like that, the Scripture takes on a whole different perspective. You might say that it's illuminated, in a way.

I sent you private mail, but I thought of some questions for you.

Is God as you know him partial to a denomination? I presume you know him as the Christian God, since you mentioned that you are a 144 hour creationist. I thought there was a insurmountable chasm between God and man, with Jesus being the bridge. How can you communicate directly if this is the case? Did he mention how other religions will fare in the afterlife?

Perhaps you'll understand my curiousity, I mean countless people claim to have a direct line to the creator. For a truth-seeker, It's important to sort out who's legit. Thanks.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-20   0:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Dude Lebowski (#103)

Is God as you know him partial to a denomination?

Nope. A good example might be what he has to say to the seven churches in Asia in Revelation 2 and 3. He finds both good things and bad things about all of them.

I've been in prison with people of lots of different denominations. When you take God into a prison, you tend to see mind-boggling things happen--and happen so reliably and often that you actually develop something of a tolerance for them. I have seen God do these mind-boggling things with all kinds of people: denomination has never seemed to make a difference.

In the particular narrow area of prison ministry, I would say that there are churches that actively prepare a congregant for and support him in prison ministry, churches that are essentially indifferent to prison ministry, and churches that actually harm a congregant's prospects for prison ministry and have to be overcome to achieve success. I suspect the same is true for other sorts of ministry as well, but that the distribution of the churches among the categories may well be different.

I presume you know him as the Christian God, since you mentioned that you are a 144 hour creationist.

He's the God of the Jews and of the Christians, yes.

I thought there was a insurmountable chasm between God and man, with Jesus being the bridge. How can you communicate directly if this is the case?

There are a set of evangelical aids that draw a picture much like the one you're recalling. If that's what you're referring to, then the chasm they refer to is one that inhibits salvation, not communication. The context is different.

And Jesus is God. It's probably true that some Christians fight over whether they can talk directly to God the Father, or whether they have to communicate through God the Son; my opinion is that those Christians could probably find something better to do if they looked for it. All I know is that I walk and talk almost every day (should be every day, but I'm not as good a Christian as I ought to be) with the Creator of the Universe. I'm sorry if that doesn't narrow it down for you; but I promise you that the distinction is without practical importance except for theologians.

Did he mention how other religions will fare in the afterlife?

Do you mean the "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh to the Father but by me" stuff? Short answer: gotta say it doesn't look good.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-20   2:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Diana (#96)

I don't believe in the rapture. I suppose that means I will go to hell.

At some point Christ will return to the earth. If that is called a "rapture" ... so be it ... however, rapture theorists are divided into a variety of groupings ... "pre" - tribulation, "mid" - tribulation, and "post" - tribulation ...

Most of the rapture hopefuls think they're gonna avoid some of the distress of end times evil. My own study leads me to believe that God is no respector of persons. Those 1st Century Christians deserved to be "raptured" as much as any later Christians, if not more.

I don't debate the rapture because it is something outside of any control that humans possess, and is speculative at best.

It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !

noone222  posted on  2005-06-20   20:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: noone222 (#105)

At some point Christ will return to the earth. If that is called a "rapture" ... so be it ...

Almost. When Messiah returns, that's the Second Coming. The Rapture is a separate event that happens before the Second Coming. Some folks think it's just moments before, some folks think it's 3.5 years before, and some people think it's an indeterminate number of years (but seven or greater) before.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-20   23:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Barak (#106)

Almost. When Messiah returns, that's the Second Coming. The Rapture is a separate event that happens before the Second Coming. Some folks think it's just moments before, some folks think it's 3.5 years before, and some people think it's an indeterminate number of years (but seven or greater) before.

And some believe it is one event.. When the Messiah returns then the end will be..

Candles in the Rain

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-20   23:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: noone222, Zipporah, Barak (#105)

At some point Christ will return to the earth. If that is called a "rapture" ... so be it ... however, rapture theorists are divided into a variety of groupings ... "pre" - tribulation, "mid" - tribulation, and "post" - tribulation ...

I don't even know what tribulation means.

Oh wait! The times of extreme hardship, destruction, suffering and death that is suppose to occur before Jesus comes back? I didn't know they had all these different ideas or forms of tribulation.

Diana  posted on  2005-06-21   3:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Diana (#108)

I don't even know what tribulation means.

Most people don't understand the underlying meaning of "tribulation", even though they think they do. Tribulation is the necessary activity that separates the wheat from the chaff in farming, and is the final act during the "HARVEST".

The parable of the wheat and tares in the Bible is explained clearly by Christ. He said, the world is the field, the tares (chaff) were sown by God's enemy (satan), and that first the chaff will be gathered and burned, then the wheat will be harvested and taken to the storehouse.

An interesting side note to this is that tares appear just as wheat until just prior to the harvest when "ONLY" the wheat "heads out" ... much like the many Christian denominations appear to be BELIEVERS, but follow liars and thieves to perdition by their participation in pagan rituals such as X-MAS, Easter (Ashtar), Halloween, Sunday (Baal Worship) Church etc.,

The Bible says that God is the same yesterday, today and forever ... while the priests throughout history have thought to change the days and the times to their own convenience and the destruction of God's people through their lack of knowledge.

The Bible states that the priests will "MAKE MERCHANDISE OF YOUR SOULS" ...

Examples of priests in the modern world are preachers, priests, judges, rabbis and political leaders that follow the Babylonian Teachings of ancient Babel.

It's gonna get worse before it gets "worser" !

noone222  posted on  2005-06-21   6:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Diana (#108)

Oh wait! The times of extreme hardship, destruction, suffering and death that is suppose to occur before Jesus comes back?

There's a sort of overview of the Tribulation in Matthew 24:15-22. The whole deal is explained in ten chapters of detail in Revelation 6-16.

But let me reiterate: this is not the place for a Bible beginner to be starting. It's like taking a third-grader out of math class and sticking her in a graduate-level tensor calculus class. God apparently didn't think we needed to know every single detail of the end times, so he didn't give us enough to unequivocally figure them out: thus there's an awful lot of equivocating going on, some of it pretty fierce. If you try to wade into it before you have a vital relationship with God and a solid grounding in Scripture, you'll have a very bad experience.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-21   10:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: wbales (#69)

How much longer, how many more years, must America and Americans be required to tithe to Israel?

Until Americans seek Truth and Facts without prejudice.

Until Americans seek God's discernment to interpret world events.

Until Americans have had enough of one-sided propaganda and knee-jerk, simple-minded faith in authority--those masters of manipulation at all levels of our society/institutions.

Having said all that i want to record my disgust at all parties in the ME, those insane Palistianians, those secular, arrogant Israelies, the delusional mullahs and Islamists who blindly follow a pedophile false prophet, etc., etc., etc.!

fatidic  posted on  2005-06-23   9:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Barak, Diana (#110)

But let me reiterate: this is not the place for a Bible beginner to be starting. It's like taking a third-grader out of math class and sticking her in a graduate-level tensor calculus class.

If you try to wade into it before you have a vital relationship with God and a solid grounding in Scripture, you'll have a very bad experience.

But by your own multiple admissions, Barak, you seem to have the benefit of these qualifiers. Particularly God's personal cellular number. Is it not presumptuous to casually wield it for the approbation of the Internet-going public? I would view a spiritual graduate degree framed on one's metaphorical vanity wall much the same way as I would look at Badeye of LP fame's "Businessman of the Year" nomination. But that's just me.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-23   19:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Dude Lebowski (#112)

But by your own multiple admissions, Barak, you seem to have the benefit of these qualifiers. Particularly God's personal cellular number. Is it not presumptuous to casually wield it for the approbation of the Internet-going public? I would view a spiritual graduate degree framed on one's metaphorical vanity wall much the same way as I would look at Badeye of LP fame's "Businessman of the Year" nomination. But that's just me.

I can glean that you're being heavily sarcastic, but beyond that I'm not sure what your point is. (Probably that's because I don't know "Badeye of LP fame.") Perhaps you could rephrase.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-24   7:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Barak (#113)

I can glean that you're being heavily sarcastic, but beyond that I'm not sure what your point is. (Probably that's because I don't know "Badeye of LP fame.") Perhaps you could rephrase.

It just appeared you derive pleasure from making known your religious authority on account of your divine connections. What would Kierkegaard have to say about that?

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-24   19:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Dude Lebowski (#114)

It just appeared you derive pleasure from making known your religious authority on account of your divine connections.

Well, then I must apologize profusely for the misunderstanding. I'm laboring to avoid religious authority, not to make it known.

I'm only one believer among billions. I certainly have opinions and viewpoints where theology is concerned, but I've been trying to keep to myself anything that I figure could be considered controversial. I think it's important for prospective or new believers to stick to the basics (as Paul said: milk, not meat) until they have a firm grounding, so that a little controversy will not sweep them away in confusion.

Nearly every word of Revelation is controversial to somebody; that's why I don't think Revelation is a good place for rookies to start.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-24   21:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Barak (#115)

Well, then I must apologize profusely for the misunderstanding. I'm laboring to avoid religious authority, not to make it known.

And I likewise must apologize for my misunderstanding, it seemed you were delineating your own spiritual math against the "3rd graders" of the thread by implications toward one's knowledge of scripture and relationship with God (both of which you've appear advanced at), which would have been an appeal to vanity. This, I've experienced is a strong motivator for a vast many who adopt the field of religion, so perhaps I'm a mite overzealous in trying to identify it.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-24   23:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Dude Lebowski (#116)

it seemed you were delineating your own spiritual math against the "3rd graders" of the thread by implications toward one's knowledge of scripture and relationship with God (both of which you've appear advanced at), which would have been an appeal to vanity.

I see. I understand how the impression was created.

I didn't mean to imply that I'm an expert either in tensor calculus or in eschatology: I'm not. The reason I'm not, of course, is that they're hard, a fact of which I have direct experience.

And said experience is what I was trying to share with any rookies who, without benefit of it, might be considering taking on Revelation and Daniel.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-25   11:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Barak (#117)

I see. I understand how the impression was created.

I didn't mean to imply that I'm an expert either in tensor calculus or in eschatology: I'm not. The reason I'm not, of course, is that they're hard, a fact of which I have direct experience.

And said experience is what I was trying to share with any rookies who, without benefit of it, might be considering taking on Revelation and Daniel.

I'm not a 'rookie' and I absolutely disagree with your conclusions re eschatology regarding Daniel and Revelation.

Candles in the Rain

Zipporah  posted on  2005-06-25   11:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Barak (#117)

is that they're hard, a fact of which I have direct experience.

And said experience is what I was trying to share with any rookies who, without benefit of it, might be considering taking on Revelation and Daniel.

Well again, you contrast yourself to the rookies in no uncertain terms. Much like a veteran ball-player does to show the newbies aren't on equal footing with them. Various levels of scripture scholarship notwithstanding, due to the subjective nature of religion, it's hard (and altogether unnecessary) to say who's got top bunk. Unless one is interested in establishing a spiritual pecking order, which would clearly be in the interest of the self rather than God.

I mentioned Kierkegaard, because he implored the religious to determine if they relate to God in self-confidence (wrong) or in repentance (right).

I understand how the impression was created.

Of course. Because is you don't mind my saying, it was intentional.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-25   12:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Dude Lebowski (#119)

Well again, you contrast yourself to the rookies in no uncertain terms.

Look, if you'd like me to just leave you alone so that you can call me names, that's fine. Just let me know.

Meanwhile, I'll try one more time.

I didn't mean to present myself as an expert, because I'm not: I'm just a simple software developer, not a theologian or any sort of clergyman. But I'm not a rookie, either: I've been at this for 36 years. If you prefer to think that Christianity is so massively complex that decades of study can't qualify one even to begin identifying the hard parts, then that is of course your business.

Feel free to dive straight into Revelation and begin arguing hammer-and-tongs with the Internet crowd. Maybe what we've been missing all these centuries is your intellect, and with a few words from you all will become clear.

It could happen.

But if you do, please let me know. I think I have half a bag of marshmallows around here somewhere.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-25   20:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Barak (#120)

But I'm not a rookie, either: I've been at this for 36 years. If you prefer to think that Christianity is so massively complex that decades of study can't qualify one even to begin identifying the hard parts, then that is of course your business.

I've granted that knowledge levels of scripture vary, but you qualified the Celestial All-Star Status as also being pen-pals with God. That credential you shared with the forum and continually pointed to as a legitimizing record. All whilst looking down your nose at "3rd graders" and "rookies".

Who are you to be qualifying things so personal and with what motivation, I don't know. But it must be a good feeling, eh?

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-25   22:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Dude Lebowski, Zipporah, Starwind (#121)

you qualified the Celestial All-Star Status as also being pen-pals with God.

That doesn't qualify me as anybody special--just an ordinary everyday run-of-the-mill Christian like Zipporah or Starwind.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-25   23:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Barak (#122)

That doesn't qualify me as anybody special--just an ordinary everyday run-of-the-mill Christian like Zipporah or Starwind.

I wouldn't know that by what you wrote in your earlier post, it sounded like you were chalk full of special:

I don't know that I'd say that. I don't mean to be offensive or presumptuous here, but I'm personally acquainted with God... You might say that it's illuminated, in a way.

And you didn't spare making the distinction between a relationship like and what the Spiritual Newbies or Rookies or Second Stringers have. Implicitly, you elevated yourself and basked in the light provided thereby. So in that sense, yes, you are like the ordinary run-of-the-mill Christian where regardless of the indulgence derived from being acquainted with the almighty (and proudly trumpeting the fact) you're still as eligible as St. Peter for the eternal pleasures of the afterlife. Which, as we read in Revelations is only open to 144,000 candidates so you'll need to decide amongst yourselves (seeing as many of you've already excused yourselves from sin) who gets a ticket.

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-26   0:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Dude Lebowski (#123)

Okay, Dude. This seems no longer to be a situation in which I can learn anything from you; therefore I have better things to do than sit here and argue. You win: congratulations.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-26   5:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Barak (#124)

Tough to logically defend the bible, guy. Spirituality is one thing; believing the bible is accurate is quite another, as anyone who has read it knows.

Mekons4  posted on  2005-06-26   6:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Barak (#124)

This seems no longer to be a situation in which I can learn anything from you

Not that you were ever in a position to learn from a "rookie"...

The Mencken Society

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-06-26   11:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Dude Lebowski, Barak, christine, zipporah, mekon delta, starwind, whoever (#126)

Quit being an ass..........and get back to the serious questioning......that is where we all learn.....whether newbie or old-timer! Sheesh

rowdee  posted on  2005-06-26   15:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Mekons4 (#125)

Tough to logically defend the bible, guy. Spirituality is one thing; believing the bible is accurate is quite another, as anyone who has read it knows.

Please do go on.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-26   20:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Dude Lebowski (#126)

Not that you were ever in a position to learn from a "rookie"...

One thing I learned from you is that the "Jesus is the bridge across the uncrossable chasm between man and God" analogy is dangerous without sufficient disclaimer because it can be easily misapplied and can mislead people. I hadn't met anyone who had made that particular misapplication before; now I will be clearer whenever I use that analogy.

But valuable information like that comes only from serious, civil conversation. Unrelenting sarcasm only teaches me stuff about you that I don't need and would rather not know.

Barak  posted on  2005-06-26   21:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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