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Title: What Bhutto’s Assassination Means to America (Karen Kwiatkowski)
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Published: Dec 29, 2007
Author: Karen Kwiatkowski
Post Date: 2007-12-29 23:28:22 by christine
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Lately, neither right nor left has been talking much about our many murderous machinations in the Middle East. Perhaps it is the holiday season, or a nod to the establishment-picked presidential candidates who offer more of the same tired foreign policy entanglements. Maybe the recent NIE on Iran has caused visions of sugarplums to dance in the heads of the loyal opposition.
Mainstream media has had little to say of the ongoing rudeness between the Turks and the Kurds, or the ethnic cleansing already accomplished throughout Iraq – both conditions directly caused by the United States policies and actions. It speaks not of holiday ugliness in Gaza or the occupied territories. Apparently, for various made-in-America governments, as in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, no news means good news.
Until Thursday, the biggest news from Pakistan wasn’t that our favored regional martinet magnanimously lifted his "state of emergency," one day after the date of Eid al Adha was announced. The six weeks of suspending the constitution and arresting the judges might have actually sounded like a good idea to the people in Washington who send their daily talking points to the friendly fourth estate.
We weren’t hearing much about how Congress was once and for all going to find out what happened to the billions of American taxpayer dollars that disappeared in Islamabad. And the top story from our American Pravda wasn’t that after six and a half years, we still don’t know where, in Pakistan, bin Laden is hiding.
This deafening silence may explain why Benazir Bhutto’s murder in Rawalpindi was such a wakeup call. She was Washington’s current democratic fave, fully expected to do everything she could to preserve the status quo in the Pakistani capital – much as the Washington establishment expects of its own favored presidential aspirants.
Harvard-educated Bhutto could have helped the Bush regime, and even done a bit to secure that ever-perilous Bush legacy. Had Bhutto and her "People’s Party" won power outright or shared it with Musharif, she would have been much more than a pretty face in a Muslim country. Bhutto’s return to, and political success in, Islamabad comes right out of Beers/Tutwiler/Hughes playbook, or perhaps the latest Victoria’s Secret catalog.
To sell the American brand abroad, and increasingly at home (as with overpriced lingerie), you need slick imagery and a near total suspension of disbelief.
For a long time, Americans have been determined to suspend their disbelief. But folks watching television, using the internet, and talking on their cell phones in the Middle East have long been wise to the bad deals being sold them by their various central authorities – many of which have deep and longstanding American ties.
Unlike most people in the Middle East, Americans are just now beginning to understand that we, too, live under a central government authority. It’s taken a strange combination of extensive and confusing wars abroad, an increasingly ominous police state witnessed by increasingly numbers of citizens, a rotten economic downturn, and an utterly inarticulate president – but we are getting there.
Ron Paul’s existence in the Republican race has helped – but it isn’t his charisma that is disturbing the political landscape. He is popular with people (and unpopular with the establishment) because he articulates the truth that many Americans already instinctively know, a common sense we’ve already embraced.
Thus, while many pundits exclaim that they know where the trouble in Pakistan lies, and what the death of Bhutto will mean, and what we should do, only Ron Paul says we should just get out, and simply cease our sinister and unconstitutional entanglements in the region.
Bhutto’s death is tragic, for her family and for her friends, and for her party organization. Her unnatural death, preceded by the demise of her father and two brothers at the hands of the state, is unfortunately typical for this particular dynasty. But what happens in the domestic intrigues in cities with exotic names most Americans don’t know is just not our business. Placing, positioning and protecting leaders in these cities is not our business. Spending U.S. cash and credibility in such places in not our business.
Thus, the real tragedy of Bhutto’s assassination is the harsh light it casts on the desires of the political establishment in Washington and New York. Americans know little, by design, of the real ramifications and the sordid history of our foreign policy and military strategy in the Middle East – or at home, for that matter. With the news of Bhutto’s death, we are reminded that we will be asked to pay – in blood and treasure – for troop increases in Afghanistan, permanent garrisoning of troops in Iraq, and more American military operations inside Pakistan. Bush, and the Bush-like presidential candidates of both parties, proudly aver that the NIE on Iran is irrelevant to America’s goal of Iranian regime change – and imply that again, we the people will pay whatever they decide to charge for the next big thing in the Middle East.
This Middle Eastern policy sales event is not emotionally supported – nor economically supportable – by most Americans. Even as Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is treated like a hot potato by establishment media – he is seen by most thinking Americans as the only presidential candidate honestly offering a chicken in every pot.
Benazir Bhutto was a wealthy socialist who talked a lot about what the poor people of Pakistan needed, specifically egalitarian democracy and economic justice. The best way to observe her passing is not to place our military and intelligence forces on high alert and redouble our efforts to micromanage the world. Instead, Americans ought to simply and carefully consider the true meaning of egalitarian democracy and economic justice in our own upcoming elections.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Such thoughtful comments.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" In discussing Ron Paul with someone I'd never met before today, the subject of a VP/RunningMate came up today at same time as Hillary/Female President. Karen Kwiatkowski would be a good choice for either.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
My vote, NOW.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! BHUTTO SACRIFICED AT THE MOMENT WHEN DEAL WAS CUT BETWEEN U.S.MILITARY & MUSHARRAF http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/12/musharrafs_woes_have_opened_ a.html?nav=rss_blog U.S. Troops to Head to Pakistan "...a deal was cut to make it officially possible that U.S. troops may "return" into Pakistan: ...Beginning early next year, U.S. Special Forces are expected to vastly expand their presence in Pakistan, as part of an effort to train and support indigenous counter-insurgency forces and clandestine counterterrorism units, according to defense officials involved with the planning... Now, as this new agreement has been finalized, the first U.S. personnel could be on the ground in Pakistan by early 2008, according to Pentagon sources. " The Bhutto assassination makes the perfect explanation for the "need" for increased US presence.
Bhutto was planning to let US military into Pakistan anyways.
This is the correct analysis in my opinion, a trial balloon ... we have a similar potential in the works right here ! The _ _ _ _ assassination makes the perfect explanation for the "need" for increased military presence.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
ditto
"The impact of her head on the sun-roof lever fractured her skull and killed her, he said." She wasn't assassinated. Bhutto accidentally killed herself.
She wasn't assassinated. Bhutto accidentally killed herself. The Paki government announced today that they are willing to have Bhutto exhumed and examined by pathologists hired by her political party. That offer doesn't sound like a government wanting to cover-up an assassination.
She wasn't assassinated. Bhutto accidentally killed herself. Like accidental suicide? She was too clumsy too stop her head from hitting the sun-roof after the bullet her?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." ~ Patrick Henry
The Pakistan gov't announced that they are willing to have Bhutto's body exhumed if her political party wants this done. Why would they offer this if they are "hiding" assassination? I think you and others are trying to build Bhutto into some type of martyr. Bhutto was on the same page as DC. She was planning to recognize Israel once in office. She was a political oligarch in our government's pay. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton...that's Bhutto's place in Pakistani history. Just another one of the same aristocratic noblesse oblige family. She was no angel. She slipped and fell and hit her head because she tried to evade the shooter's bullets - not very heroic but very human - however, this makes her death very ordinary and that's why you refuse to believe it to be true. You want to believe Bhutto was extra-ordinary. She was an ordinary corrupt, greedy, power hungry, sold out politician - get it? She's like alot of people we have elected to DC.
Maybe it's an offshoot of spontaneous human combustion. With Global Warming an Burd Flu and all, lot's of room for possibilities.
I wonder if the Bhutto family will sue the sun roof manufacturer.
Whatever for? The Bhutto Family are wealthy aristocrats in a nation of poor. They don't need to do "lawsuits" - that's for the American plebs. You will notice that the "grieving" Bhutto Family did not waste any time mourning their martyred mother/wife/angel of democracy before promoting the son to take her place as leader of the People's Party ? - whatever - her body was still warm on that announcement.
Holy smokes. LOL... Honestly, this assassination is, I think, the first I've heard of her. I do think she was extra-ordinarily pretty, but that's about all I can tell you. However, thank you for putting it to me like that because there's nothing like a pretty woman to remove logic and reason from my thinking. My memory's not so good. I recognize stuff quite well, but don't recall so well. I do remember that her bodyguards stepped back like the secret service did for Kennedy, but other than that, there's not too much I can tell anyone about her. Her last name is Bhutto. LOL What's important to me and imo, important to us, is that it seems like maybe the folks that are screwing up our lives are might be involved. The seeeyeay, nwo, globalists, etc. Please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong and thank you for the above. So, she wasn't hit by a bullet? What about the picture of the guy pointing a gun at her on Fox News?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." ~ Patrick Henry
LOL, I'm lost on the Bhutto thing here.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." ~ Patrick Henry
So, she wasn't hit by a bullet? What about the picture of the guy pointing a gun at her on Fox News? She was DC's pick to replace Musharef because Musharef was too embaressing with his military attire strongman stuff. She was Harvard educated and could chirp the democracy message better. Bhutto's sudden anti-Muslim fundie stuff is a joke. It was Bhutto who armed and supported the Taliban - the ultimate fundie group! - when she was in office. She was in power 2 times and she left both times under a shroud of allegations about gross corruption and embezzlement of Paki gov't funds. Her husband is known as Mr. 10%. What does that tell you? Of course there were fundie Muslims who wanted to snuff her because it was obvious that she had jumped on the DC WOT payroll and she was going to recognize Israel etc, etc. There's no doubt that a fundie assassin tried to shoot her and an accomplice blew himself up nearby. The Paki government does not deny that 2 people were trying to kill her - that's on record. But what they are also saying is that when she ducked the bullets of the assassin,( as in showing human fear) she stumbled and hit her head on the sunroof lever. A very unfortunate but clumsy error was the real cause of her demise. I tend to believe the gov't's story - they are willing to have the body exhumed for God's sake! Bhutto was a DC paid puppet - nothing more nothing less. She was a refined leftie version of Mushareff. Why would the elites in DC have her killed? She was one of them.
Nope, it doesn't. Doesn't look like anyone's rushing to take up the offer. Probably afraid of the truth. LoL!
I have it on reliable sources explosives were planted up her ass and remotely detonated by the same crew that wired up the WTC in Jew York City. Let the conspiracy mill begin.
One more bump for Karen.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Would a D.C. puppet have let slip that bin Laden is dead?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I saw that video of her interview with Sir David Frost. Do you think she misspoke and meant David Pearl vice OBL?
I suppose it's possible. But I've always had the impression that Benazir Bhutto chose her words with great care. It's unfortunate her statement attracted no notice until after she was murdered. While she was alive, she would undoubtedly have corrected a misstatement, if that is what it was. I think it's entirely possible that, rather than a misstatement, it was a threat, indicating what Bhutto knew and might make more of. Like Jamie Gorelick's question to Rumsfeld at the 9/11 Comm'n hearings about a missile headed towards the Pentagon.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Good points. Thanks.
good idea!
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! It doesn't sound as though Benazir Bhutto was working out as an ideal puppet, if she ever was.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! She did not let it slip. She spoke about it matter-of-factly probably as she was accustomed to do in conversation with her high society Muslim and American associates in Dubai. Does anyone but a braindead freeper still believe that Bin Laden is alive? What state secret did she reveal with that casual remark? More importantly would anyone but a DC puppet leader of a Muslim country promise to formally recognize Israel?
If you were so familiar with Bhutto how come you never discovered that she was a corrupt, double dealing, political oligarch - how strange that you didn't get any impression of that!
An interview the next day on CNN: FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR, CNN NEWSROOM: But isn't fear keeping a lot of these people from cooperating in that kind of manner that you speak of because the threat is so tremendous. You know, folks are seeing their family members cut down or even their own lives jeopardized if they do act as, what some might call to be traitors. BHUTTO: Yes, it is fear. You see, there is a minority that has the weapons and that minority is holding the population hostage. It's like -- when I returned to Pakistan on October 18th, the people came out with joy and happiness to celebrate my return because it gave them hope that democracy would come and that their problems would be solved. But then the terrorists struck. Unless we can give the protection of the state to ordinary people, the militants will continue to hold them hostage. I feel that the present regime has failed in implementing the authority of the government and writ (ph) of the state, it's the collapse of governance, which has thrown people in the tribal areas to the militant wolves. WHITFIELD: So, Ms. Bhutto, am I hearing you correctly in saying that you almost directly blame General Pervez Musharraf for helping to produce these safe havens in Pakistan, where there is terrorist activity, where, perhaps, in these safe havens someone like the Osama bin Laden, the most-wanted terrorist in the world, just might be taking refuge? BHUTTO: I wouldn't like to go so far as to blame General Musharraf directly, but I would certainly say that many people in his administration and his security apparatus responsible for internal security make me feel very uneasy. I had hoped -- WHITFIELD: Do you Musharraf -- I'm sorry. Do you think General Musharraf knows where Osama bin Laden is? BHUTTO: I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is, WHITFIELD: So, Ms. Bhutto, are you also saying, then, that Musharraf's rule is also in part being dictated by the many assassination attempts on his life, those who had been threatening him as he continues on with this commitment toward the war on terrorism with the U.S.? BHUTTO: Partially, yes. But I'm also saying that it's the governance that has failed. For example, this week one of the militant leaders, Amoldi Fakir (ph), held the press conference in the tribal areas, and he gave a direct threat to me that if I came Raul Bendi (ph), then his men were going to make another assassination attempt. And I got a taste of their kind of assassination attempt in Karachi. Now, I ask myself, how can a wanted terrorist hold a press conference and the police not know, the administration not know, or are they simply looking the other way? And what is our internal security doing at a time that a wanted terrorist, wanted by the international community, wanted by Pakistan, is openly holding a press conference in the tribal areas of Pakistan? And this is what worries me, the fact that the administration is looking the other way when the militants operate. WHITFIELD: And let me ask you before we let you go, and we appreciate your time and the extensive dialogue you're giving us now. What was the motivation for you to return to Pakistan, one? And the motivation to return today and speak out in this manner about General Musharraf's intentions on this state of emergency? BHUTTO: The people of Pakistan have given me their love, they've given me their trust, and I felt that it was my duty to come back to Pakistan for the election campaign of 2007, so that I could help them move towards democracy. I left for Dubai to see my children who had been very traumatized by the television scene of the carnage that took place upon my return. And then I heard that emergency was going to be declared, so I cut back my visit to Dubai and rushed back to Pakistan to give support to the people. The people here have trusted me and they have loved me. And I feel it's my duty to repay that trust and that love by helping them save the country by bringing democracy, because democracy means addressing the real needs of the people, making them partners in government. WHITFIELD: Was there a moment when you thought, perhaps, you would not be given access to come back Karachi, given that this is taking place in the middle of a media black out, in the middle of this state of emergency? BHUTTO: Yes, I was very uncertain as I took the plane back as to what would happen when I reached Karachi. And I do appreciate the fact that General Musharraf has not taken the step to personally move against me, and that no arrest orders have been given for me, up to date. But at the same time, I feel it's very important for him to seek a political solution, and not a solution through force. Suspension of the constitution means suspension of the rule of law. WHITFIELD: Pakistan's former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, in Karachi. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it. Your very candid and strong assessments and responses to General Pervez Musharraf's installation of a state of emergency today. BHUTTO: Thank you. WHITFIELD: I'm Fredricka Whitfield in the NEWSROOM. Tony Harris is up with much more of the NEWSROOM.
Uh...this is the re-furbished Bhutto speaking. However, indeed, if there's any single person who can be charged with aiding and abetting and arming the Taliban - the fundies now seeking refuge in Pakisttan's No Man's Land - it is Ms. Benazir Bhutto, herself, when she was in office previously. But CNN did not care to bring up this nasty bit of Pakistani political history.
She asked pertinent questions here. Thanks Wallaby.
The Taliban took power in Afghanistan in 1996. Bhutto aided and abetted the Taliban's ascent to power while she was in office 1993-1996. She helped the very people who are currently hiding in the Paki mountains - the fundie Muslims. The CNN reporter did not ask the pertinent questions here.
While she was alive, she would undoubtedly have corrected a misstatement, if that is what it was. Another interview, 10 days later: MR. INSKEEP: Earlier this morning, we placed a phone call to a house in Pakistan. It's the place where former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is under house arrest. The compound is surrounded by police as part of President Pervez Musharraf's crackdown on the opposition. We waited on hold until Benazir Bhutto picked up the phone. Hi, it's Steve Inskeep. Can you hear me? MS. BHUTTO: Yes. I can hear you. Can you hear me? MR. INSKEEP: Yes. Good to speak with you again. Thanks for taking the time. What is your freedom of movement like, if any? MS. BHUTTO: I have freedom of movement within the house. I don't have freedom of movement outside the house. We've got a heavy police force inside the house, and we've got a very heavy police force -- 4,000 policemen around the four walls of my house, 1,000 on each. We've even entered the neighbor's house and I was just telling one of the policemen, I said, should you be here after us? Shouldn't you be looking for Osama bin Laden? And he said I'm sorry, ma'am, this is our job. We're just doing what we're told. MR. INSKEEP: They're actually in the house? You go down the hallway and there's a police officer there? MS. BHUTTO: Inside the gates of the house, not inside the house. MR. INSKEEP: Oh. Okay. MS. BHUTTO: But inside the gates of the house. MR. INSKEEP: Okay. MS. BHUTTO: In front of our front door, but they're also outside on the road. MR. INSKEEP: Now, Ms. Bhutto, you've told reporters today that you will not reach any accommodation with President Musharraf at this point, and that you think he should leave office, leave both of his offices, president and chief of staff of the army. When did you last communicate with Musharraf? MS. BHUTTO: It was a week ago. And after that a week has past, a week of considerable internal and international pressure for him to move, and I agree that he took the right steps in announcing a date for elections, but I think we should focus on what he didn't do. He didn't announce a date for lifting emergency or retiring as chief of army staff on time. So I don't want my hopes raised, and through me, my party and people, only to have them dashed again. And so we came to this realization that while we worked with him for democracy he didn't really follow the road map. MR. INSKEEP: Did you continue talking with him even after he imposed the state of emergency in Pakistan? MS. BHUTTO: We had one conversation after he imposed the state of emergency but not since then. MR. INSKEEP: So is any hope of a power sharing arrangement, such as some people had been discussing, dead? MS. BHUTTO: Not after that last crackdown. The people around General Musharraf won't let him do it even if he wanted to do it. In the newspapers, for instance, today the ruling party has called for my arrest, but I think one has to speak up and the truth is that today Pakistan is at the hands of disintegration because of the terrorist advance and it's because we're not clear in defining that it is these extremists, these militants, who are threatening to disintegrate our country by expanding the influence from the tribal areas into the settled areas. MR. INSKEEP: Ms. Bhutto, one other question. In spite of protests in recent weeks, our correspondent there Philip Reeves and a number of other correspondents have noted that the mass of the Pakistani people do not seem to have poured out into the streets or taken sides in this. Why would that be? MS. BHUTTO: Well, I know this is - but I think that this decree neglects the fact that when the state did not interfere, three million people turned out at the Karachi airport to receive me. In Pakistan, we say that when the state does interfere, the size of the crowd is judged by the size of the police force used to disrupt the meeting, and I would urge the international community to - police force - that have been used and it will show you the massive size that would have turned out had those blockades and barriers had not been put in place. MR. INSKEEP: Benazir Bhutto, thank you very much. MS. BHUTTO: Thank you. MR. INSKEEP: Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto spoke today from the house where she is surrounded by police in Pakistan. Transcript, Federal News Service: NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO "MORNING EDITION" INTERVIEW WITH FORMER PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER BENAZIR BHUTTO; INTERVIEWER: STEVE INSKEEP; 7:10 A.M. EST DATE: WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2007
What Bhutto’s Assassination Means to America - To regular middle class Americans, who are struggling to make ends meet and to put away a few dollars for a non-existent retirement and maybe to help the kids make it through a year or two at community college???????????? while food and fuel prices skyrocket and their home value plummets??????????????// Not a damned thing.
Stop foreign welfare NOW!
Bhutto was dirty through and through. Why bother dissecting a word or sentence she used in CNN interview? Look at her record while in office 2X in Pakistan. What she did rather than what she says will prove to you the type of power loving money grasping oligarch pig she was. "Bhutto Clan Leaves Trail of Corruption in Pakistan" 01/09/1998 NYT
Not a damned thing. I agree 100% with you. The more I read about Bhutto the more I am convinced that it matters not a second thought whether she or Mushie ran Pakistan, because DC was the pay- master to both politicians.
The more I read about Bhutto the more I am convinced that it matters not a second thought whether she or Mushie ran Pakistan, because DC was the pay- master to both politicians. Indeed. And no matter what, nothing that takes place in Pakistan will have any effect at all on you.............as we toil to support our families in the coming year.
Stop foreign welfare NOW!
The issue I am addressing is whether the evidence suggests that Benazir Bhutto, when she was interviewed by David Frost on November 2, 2007, believed that Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh had assassinated Osama bin Laden. I have no interest in discussing the relative merits or demerits of the Bhutto administration. Now, despite your claim that only "braindead freepers" believe that bin Laden is alive, the transcripts show that CNN and NPR interviewers overtly purport to believe it as well. Also, clearly, by her responses to the interviewers, Benazir Bhutto is well aware that her interviewer and the audience share this belief that Osama bin Laden is alive. So, when she is speaking to David Frost, if her intention was to make a revelation that bin Laden was dead, she would expect a follow-up question and would not be making such a revelation in a matter-of-fact manner, as she appears to be doing. So, she probably just made a slip. There are two ways her remark to Frost could be a slip of the tongue. One hypothesis is that she meant to say Daniel Pearl and simply made a verbal slip. The other hypothesis is your view that she spoke as "she was accustomed to do in conversation with her high society Muslim and American associates in Dubai." On this view, she believed that bin Laden was dead, but she just forgot she wasn't speaking to people "in the know." Now, does the evidence suggest that it was a slip in which she revealed what she really believed? It seems to me that her manner-of-fact way of reporting her question "Shouldn't you be looking for Osama bin Laden?" days later suggests not. If people "in the know" are aware that Osama bin Laden is dead, then why would she ask this question of a policeman in Pakistan or just make up the story that she had in order to convince an audience in America that she believes bin Laden is dead? If she was worried about what she said to Frost just days before, she could simply correct the record in an explicit way. So, I think these interviews provide us with evidence that she just misspoke and she does not believe bin Laden was killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.
Okay...and how does that neither here nor there minutia detail contribute to conspiracy theories re: Bhutto being offed by either the CIA or by Mushareff?
It doesn't, unless you suspect, as aristeides apparently does, that it was her remark to Frost that provided the motive for her assassination. Here's a link to the CNN transcript, btw: Benazir Bhutto Reacts To State Of Emergency; Crisis Of Violence In Pakistan
A link to the NPR interview Benazir Bhutto speaks about her house arrest.
Thanks for clarifying.
That should read "in order to convince an audience in America that she believes bin Laden is alive.
Ping...not sure if you missed this additional information provided by Wallaby.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: Dakmar (#2)
Karen Kwiatkowski would be a good choice for either.
#4. To: christine, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#0)
Thus, while many pundits exclaim that they know where the trouble in Pakistan lies, and what the death of Bhutto will mean, and what we should do, only Ron Paul says we should just get out, and simply cease our sinister and unconstitutional entanglements in the region.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#5. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
Reported Dec. 26, 2007 by William Arkin, Washington Post
#6. To: angle (#5)
The Bhutto assassination makes the perfect explanation for the "need" for increased US presence.
#7. To: angle (#5)
The Bhutto assassination makes the perfect explanation for the "need" for increased US presence.
#8. To: robin (#4)
cease our sinister and unconstitutional entanglements in the region.
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: Split, christine (#9)
"The impact of her head on the sun-roof lever fractured her skull and killed her, he said."
#11. To: Split (#9)
The impact of her head on the sun-roof lever fractured her skull and killed her, he said."
#12. To: wudidiz (#11)
(Edited)
#13. To: Split (#9)
She wasn't assassinated. Bhutto accidentally killed herself.
#14. To: wudidiz (#11)
She was too clumsy too stop her head from hitting the sun-roof after the bullet her?
#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#14)
I wonder if the Bhutto family will sue the sun roof manufacturer.
#16. To: scrapper2 (#12)
The Pakistan gov't announced that they are willing to have Bhutto's body exhumed if her political party wants this done. Why would they offer this if they are "hiding" assassination? I think you and others are trying to build Bhutto into some type of martyr. Bhutto was on the same page as DC. She was planning to recognize Israel once in office. She was a political oligarch in our government's pay. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton...that's Bhutto's place in Pakistani history. Just another one of the same aristocratic noblesse oblige family. She was no angel. She slipped and fell and hit her head because she tried to evade the shooter's bullets - not very heroic but very human - however, this makes her death very ordinary and that's why you refuse to believe it to be true. You want to believe Bhutto was extra-ordinary. She was an ordinary corrupt, greedy, power hungry, sold out politician - get it? She's like alot of people we have elected to DC.
#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#14)
I wonder if the Bhutto family will sue the sun roof manufacturer.
#18. To: wudidiz (#16)
What's important to me and imo, important to us, is that it seems like maybe the folks that are screwing up our lives are might be involved. The seeeyeay, nwo, globalists, etc.
#19. To: scrapper2 (#10)
That offer doesn't sound like a government wanting to cover-up an assassination.
#20. To: wudidiz (#11)
She was too clumsy too stop her head from hitting the sun-roof after the bullet her?
#21. To: christine, aristeides, Red Jones, Fred Mertz (#0)
Unlike most people in the Middle East, Americans are just now beginning to understand that we, too, live under a central government authority.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#22. To: scrapper2 (#18)
#23. To: aristeides (#22)
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
#25. To: aristeides (#24)
While she was alive, she would undoubtedly have corrected a misstatement, if that is what it was.
#26. To: Dakmar (#2)
In discussing Ron Paul with someone I'd never met before today, the subject of a VP/RunningMate came up today at same time as Hillary/Female President. Karen Kwiatkowski would be a good choice for either.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#27. To: aristeides (#24)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#28. To: aristeides (#22)
(Edited)
Would a D.C. puppet have let slip that bin Laden is dead?
#29. To: aristeides (#24)
(Edited)
I suppose it's possible. But I've always had the impression that Benazir Bhutto chose her words with great care.
#30. To: aristeides, Fred Mertz (#25)
While she was alive, she would undoubtedly have corrected a misstatement, if that is what it was.
BENAZIR BHUTTO, FMR. PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER: My country seems to have lost control over its own territory. Our armed forces, when they venture into the tribal areas, are either being kidnapped or they're being shot at. There's a high casualty in line. The moral simply isn't there and it's being propagated that our armed forces are fighting their own people. When, in fact, our armed forces are fighting a battle to save the unity and integrity of Pakistan. I believe that we have to involve the people in saving Pakistan. We need to go to the people of the tribal areas, empower them, give them a sense of participation --
Transcript: CNN NEWSROOM; Fredricka Whitfield and Benazir Bhutto; November 3, 2007 Saturday; 5:00 PM EST.
#31. To: Wallaby (#30)
#32. To: Wallaby (#30)
...[BHUTTO] Now, I ask myself, how can a wanted terrorist hold a press conference and the police not know, the administration not know, or are they simply looking the other way? And what is our internal security doing at a time that a wanted terrorist, wanted by the international community, wanted by Pakistan, is openly holding a press conference in the tribal areas of Pakistan?
#33. To: Fred Mertz, Wallaby (#32)
She asked pertinent questions here. Thanks Wallaby.
#34. To: aristeides, scrapper2, Fred Mertz (#31)
#35. To: christine (#0)
#36. To: Wallaby (#34)
#37. To: WhiteGuy (#35)
To regular middle class Americans, who are struggling to make ends meet and to put away a few dollars for a non-existent retirement and maybe to help the kids make it through a year or two at community college???????????? while food and fuel prices skyrocket and their home value plummets??????????????//
#38. To: scrapper2 (#37)
#39. To: scrapper2 (#36)
Why bother dissecting a word or sentence she used in CNN interview?
#40. To: Wallaby (#39)
So, I think these interviews provide us with evidence that she just misspoke and she does not believe bin Laden was killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.
#41. To: scrapper2, aristeides (#40)
Okay...and how does that neither here nor there minutia detail contribute to conspiracy theories re: Bhutto being offed by either the CIA or by Mushareff?
#42. To: All (#41)
#43. To: Wallaby (#41)
It doesn't, unless you suspect, as aristeides apparently does, that it was her remark to Frost that provided the motive for her assassination.
#44. To: All (#39)
then why would she ask this question of a policeman in Pakistan or just make up the story that she had in order to convince an audience in America that she believes bin Laden is dead?
#45. To: Wallaby, aristeides (#41)
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