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Title: Stonewalled by the C.I.A. (KEANE & HAMILTON SAY THEY WERE "OBSTRUCTED")
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/o ... l?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin
Published: Jan 2, 2008
Author: THOMAS H. KEAN and LEE H. HAMILTON
Post Date: 2008-01-02 15:10:52 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 98
Comments: 9

Stonewalled by the C.I.A.

By THOMAS H. KEAN and LEE H. HAMILTON
Published: January 2, 2008

Washington

MORE than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the “facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001” — and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the president’s chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.

The commission’s mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.

There could have been absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone at the C.I.A. — or the White House — of the commission’s interest in any and all information related to Qaeda detainees involved in the 9/11 plot. Yet no one in the administration ever told the commission of the existence of videotapes of detainee interrogations.

When the press reported that, in 2002 and maybe at other times, the C.I.A. had recorded hundreds of hours of interrogations of at least two Qaeda detainees, we went back to check our records. We found that we did ask, repeatedly, for the kind of information that would have been contained in such videotapes.

The commission did not have a mandate to investigate how detainees were treated; our role was to investigate the history and evolution of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 plot. Beginning in June 2003, we requested all reports of intelligence information on these broad topics that had been gleaned from the interrogations of 118 named individuals, including both Abu Zubaydah and Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri, two senior Qaeda operatives, portions of whose interrogations were apparently recorded and then destroyed.

The C.I.A. gave us many reports summarizing information gained in the interrogations. But the reports raised almost as many questions as they answered. Agency officials assured us that, if we posed specific questions, they would do all they could to answer them.

So, in October 2003, we sent another wave of questions to the C.I.A.’s general counsel. One set posed dozens of specific questions about the reports, including those about Abu Zubaydah. A second set, even more important in our view, asked for details about the translation process in the interrogations; the background of the interrogators; the way the interrogators handled inconsistencies in the detainees’ stories; the particular questions that had been asked to elicit reported information; the way interrogators had followed up on certain lines of questioning; the context of the interrogations so we could assess the credibility and demeanor of the detainees when they made the reported statements; and the views or assessments of the interrogators themselves.

The general counsel responded in writing with non-specific replies. The agency did not disclose that any interrogations had ever been recorded or that it had held any further relevant information, in any form. Not satisfied with this response, we decided that we needed to question the detainees directly, including Abu Zubaydah and a few other key captives.

In a lunch meeting on Dec. 23, 2003, George Tenet, the C.I.A. director, told us point blank that we would have no such access. During the meeting, we emphasized to him that the C.I.A. should provide any documents responsive to our requests, even if the commission had not specifically asked for them. Mr. Tenet replied by alluding to several documents he thought would be helpful to us, but neither he, nor anyone else in the meeting, mentioned videotapes.

A meeting on Jan. 21, 2004, with Mr. Tenet, the White House counsel, the secretary of defense and a representative from the Justice Department also resulted in the denial of commission access to the detainees. Once again, videotapes were not mentioned.

As a result of this January meeting, the C.I.A. agreed to pose some of our questions to detainees and report back to us. The commission concluded this was all the administration could give us. But the commission never felt that its earlier questions had been satisfactorily answered. So the public would be aware of our concerns, we highlighted our caveats on page 146 in the commission report.

As a legal matter, it is not up to us to examine the C.I.A.’s failure to disclose the existence of these tapes. That is for others. What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction.

Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton served as chairman and vice chairman, respectively, of the 9/11 commission.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton served as chairman and vice chairman, respectively, of the 9/11 commission.

They were slickered or were they willingly slickered?

Neither were political virgins.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-02   15:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

The commission did not have a mandate to investigate how detainees were treated; our role was to investigate the history and evolution of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 plot.

But how the detainees were treated would go very much to the credibility of what they had to say -- or were made to say -- about "the history and evolution of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 plot."

Glenn Greenwald has a good piece today about how obstructing the 9/11 Commission's investigation would have constituted an extremely serious felony.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-02   15:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

Even if they knew what was going on, that does not make the denial to them -- and to other members of their commission -- of information and evidence that they had officially demanded any less of a felony.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-02   15:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#1)

or were they willingly slickered?

I think they're both "honorary" CIA. [Like their buddy (congressman) Porter Goss was and is !]

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222  posted on  2008-01-02   15:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#4)

no...

If anyone has been in government, they know full well how things work.

One thing I like about Paul is that he said he would open the books to public scrutiny, that must scare a lot of people.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-02   15:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides, Original_Intent (#3)

OKAY...

Lets start a list of people that want Bro removed. I will forward it to Christine. Who wants to be first on the list????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-02   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

I'm against removing posters on principle. I'd have to be shown proof that he's posting in bad faith.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-02   15:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

ari...

Personally I can take Bro or leave him. Myself I agree with someone here that he is here to cause trouble, for whom or against whom is difficult to decide.

It really does not matter to me as I have seen such before, good and bad. Bro may well be on the side of good and justice but I dont know that, or he may be for evil, I dont know that either.

So whether he is good or bad is of no consequence, he is what he says, I read and decide for myself.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-02   16:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#0)

'Able Danger'.

They knew.

Must not have enough cover in DC to for a get out of jail card.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-02   16:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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