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Title: Inside Information from Iowa
Source: Daily Kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/3/15279/86688/333/429876
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: "hegemony57"
Post Date: 2008-01-03 15:56:13 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 601
Comments: 44

Inside Information from Iowa

by hegemony57 [Subscribe]
Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 12:31:25 PM PST

Internal polling within the campaigns has pointed to an emerging consensus.

No matter what the campaigns are saying publicly, it appears that the order of finish tonight will be be:

1. Obama

2. Edwards

3. Clinton

I don't have information on numbers but this information has been confirmed by reliable sources within 2 campaigns.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

The weather played its part too. Watch her campaign lay all the problems on the weather.

The campaign has 5,000 drivers to help voters turn out.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-03   15:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No matter what the campaigns are saying publicly, it appears that the order of finish tonight will be be:

1. Obama

2. Edwards

3. Clinton

Interesting. Obama and Edwards may end up being the Dems favorite ticket in the long haul. Ms. Hillary is the obvious favorite of the Dem party elites, but she fails miserably in the personal likeability factor for the little people.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I were a betting man, and I sometimes am, I'd put my money on Edwards to win.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-03   16:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The latest I heard on the Republican side was this:

1) Huckabee
2) Romney
3) Paul
4) McCain

We'll know for certain tonite.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-01-03   16:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I were a betting man, and I sometimes am, I'd put my money on Edwards to win.

Edwards has done exceedingly well in all the debates. And he's a very handsome with the all-American preppie look he has mastered to a "t". Personally, I can't stand the guy because he's a greedy double talking ambulence chasing weasel, but he's definitely easy on the eyes ( female vote getter).

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The latest I heard on the Republican side was this:

1) Huckabee 2) Romney 3) Paul

God, I hope that you heard 'wrong.'

Who the ***k would vote for Huck?

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   16:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It has been awhile but the Bilderberg winning ticket is supposed to be Edwards- Obama in 2008. I keep that at the front of my mind; all else is theater.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-03   16:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who the ***k would vote for Huck?

His band played at the FReaker Inauguration Ball in January 2001, and yes, I attended. He's quite a polished communicator and candidate these days.

I was thinking that no congressman or senator has been elected to the presidency in about 40 years or more (I think). Sitting governors usually do quite well in presidential elections.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-03   16:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who the ***k would vote for Huck?

Idiots who got suckered in by Huckster's excellent performance on the Letterman show last night. Even I forgot for a moment or two that he was a born again open borders mental midget from Arkansas who raised a son who gets his jollies out of torturing man's best friend.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sitting governors usually do quite well in presidential elections.

Good point - prolly 'cause no one outside their state knows'em.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   16:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who the ***k would vote for Huck?

Those Evangelicals that you keep hearing about are single-candidate voters. If it smells like it might be a Bible-Believing Christian, they vote for it, warts and all.

The support for Paul is mainly coming from students returning home and people who are fed-up with the Government and are not brainwashed by the local mega-church.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-01-03   16:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

lodwick: Who the ***k would vote for Huck?

mirage: Those Evangelicals that you keep hearing about are single-candidate voters. If it smells like it might be a Bible-Believing Christian, they vote for it, warts and all.

I didn't know that Iowa had lotsa Evangelicals. Interesting. I guess "They're here they're there they're everywhere."

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was thinking that no congressman or senator has been elected to the presidency in about 40 years or more (I think).

that got me interested - I looked it up and warren harding and jfk are the only 2 senators to be elected directly from the senate to the presidency, and james garfield is the only house member to do the same. 13 others were elected after having previously served in the senate, and I couldn't find the number for reps.

you are correct - 47 years to be precise.

yesterday I driving behind a really old cadillac that had a 'kennedy-johnson' bumper sticker. that car's been on the road for a long time!

kiki  posted on  2008-01-03   16:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I bet a large majority of Cadillac owners voted for Nixon-Lodge in 1960.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-03   16:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Fred Mertz: I was thinking that no congressman or senator has been elected to the presidency in about 40 years or more (I think).

kiki: that got me interested - I looked it up and warren harding and jfk are the only 2 senators to be elected directly from the senate to the presidency, and james garfield is the only house member to do the same. 13 others were elected after having previously served in the senate, and I couldn't find the number for reps.

You guys are both correct. Governors have a significant statistical advantage of being propelled into the Oval Office.

I guess the theory about why this happens is because Prez candidates who are Governors or former Governors will promote the analogy of Governor = manager of all operations of a state much like President = manager of all operations of a nation. Evidently voters have believed this pitch in previous Prez elections.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't know that Iowa had lotsa Evangelicals.

Rural country and farm country tends to give rise to that simply because the Church becomes the social center due to lack of alternatives, lack of people who have gone off to universities - and people working obscenely long hours so they rely on the weekly gathering for social interaction.

Its hard to have a lot of friends when your closest neighbor is three miles away. That kind of life doesn't lend itself to dinner parties where a dozen people get together to discuss the finer points of Camus and Sartre.

Urban areas are much less religious all around the world for obvious reasons.

Iowa doesn't have a lot of urban centers - its - what? Des Moines and Cedar Rapids and that's about it?

Also, Iowa has been suffering an exodus of its educated people for some time. Iowa State might have thousands of students, but they don't stick around in Iowa.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-01-03   16:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yesterday I driving behind a really old cadillac that had a 'kennedy-johnson' bumper sticker. that car's been on the road for a long time!

or garaged, how else could that sticker have stayed on!?

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robin  posted on  2008-01-03   16:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Might be a much more recent sticker than 1960. There's a shop here in D.C. at Union Station that sells political paraphernalia like that.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-03   16:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Yep, that makes sense. I hadn't thought about it before in that way. Again, thanks.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   16:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If it smells like it might be a Bible-Believing Christian, they vote for it, warts and all.

I heard a young woman on the tube the other night speaking about Huckabee. All she heard was 'family values Christian'. Immediately she assumed they 'shared values'. That was the extent of her knowledge.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   17:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd put my money on Edwards to win.

Maybe not iowa, but the Dem nom, imo.

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angle  posted on  2008-01-03   17:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FROM: LARRY KING CNN WEB-POLL.

Who would you vote for in the Iowa caucus?

Joe Biden 1% 44

Rudy Giuliani 1% 52

Hillary Rodham Clinton 6% 309

Mike Huckabee 2% 86

Chris Dodd 0% 6

Duncan Hunter 0% 5

John Edwards 3% 152

Alan Keyes 0% 7

Mike Gravel 0% 13

John McCain 1% 44

Dennis Kucinich 2% 90

Ron Paul 78% 3914

Barack Obama 5% 237

Mitt Romney 1% 36

Bill Richardson 0% 18

Fred Thompson 0% 20

Total Votes: 5033

This is not a scientific poll

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noone222  posted on  2008-01-03   17:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When was this poll taken?

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angle  posted on  2008-01-03   17:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of Larry King, his interview with Ron Paul yesterday apparently was not broadcast on TV, only put on the Internet. re: Ron Paul on CNN Larry King Live.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-03   17:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of Larry King, his interview with Ron Paul yesterday apparently was not broadcast on TV, only put on the Internet. re: Ron Paul on CNN Larry King Live.

A,

Thanks for this link.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   17:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch Iowa Caucus Live Free Online

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   17:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch Iowa Caucus Live Free Online

If you ever start charging for all this good stuff, I'll go broke.

Thanks TT.

Clicking on over now.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   17:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I spoke with our attorney in IA and he said that no one knows what's going to happen at tonight's caucuses, which begin at each precinct in the state at 6:30 this evening. He told me that there are no ballots, just whoever has the most people yelling and screaming for their candidate. Also, the delegates selected are not bound to the candidate when they go to the state convention...

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   17:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I spoke with our attorney in IA and he said that no one knows what's going to happen at tonight's caucuses, which begin at each precinct in the state at 6:30 this evening. He told me that there are no ballots, just whoever has the most people yelling and screaming for their candidate. Also, the delegates selected are not bound to the candidate when they go to the state convention...

What a joke of a caucus "system." However because RP has lots of very enthusiatic supporters this might work to RP's advantage.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-03   17:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His band played at the FReaker Inauguration Ball in January 2001, and yes, I attended.

I was there, too...Huck did a pretty fair Steppenwolf with 'Born to be Wild'. Sent him a thank you note, and actually got a signed reply. Maybe I should put the letter up on eBay...

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who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-03   17:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I forgot what the lawyer said to the evangelical angle: evidently the western half of the state generally qualifies, as does some of the southern portion, and as Mirage correctly noted, most of the cities and larger towns, are not so fervent in their spiritual endeavors.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   17:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What a joke of a caucus "system." However because RP has lots of very enthusiastic supporters this might work to RP's advantage.

My impression and take also.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   17:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Surely they have the gumption to check for voter registration cards, don't they?

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   18:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe I should put the letter up on eBay...

Do it quickly, while it still has some value.

Let us know how it goes.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   18:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like Ike.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-01-03   18:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I guess the theory about why this happens is because Prez candidates who are Governors or former Governors will promote the analogy of Governor = manager of all operations of a state much like President = manager of all operations of a nation. Evidently voters have believed this pitch in previous Prez elections.

I also think lodwick's comment above is valid - nobody outside their state knows much about them. and if those in their state don't like them, they'll probably keep quiet about it in order to get rid of them.

kiki  posted on  2008-01-03   18:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I spoke with our attorney in IA and he said that no one knows what's going to happen at tonight's caucuses, which begin at each precinct in the state at 6:30 this evening. He told me that there are no ballots, just whoever has the most people yelling and screaming for their candidate.

are you serious? this is what candidates have dropped millions of dollars and hours on?

no offense to the people of iowa, but the more I hear the more I think they ought to stick to picking prize winning bulls at county fairs. that has less impact on the rest of us.

kiki  posted on  2008-01-03   18:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch Iowa Caucus Live Free Online

thank you for the link!

kiki  posted on  2008-01-03   18:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul supporters to fly helicopter over Cedar Rapids

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   18:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch Iowa Caucus Live Free Online

thank you for the link!

You're welcome.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   18:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

are you serious? this is what candidates have dropped millions of dollars and hours on?

no offense to the people of iowa, but the more I hear the more I think they ought to stick to picking prize winning bulls at county fairs. that has less impact on the rest of us.

Spot-on, as usual - and yes, I was shocked to learn this.

He told me that over the past several months that the Hill, her ankles, and all her SS guys had driven by his office no less than fifteen times - and this is in a town of 2500 folks.

He also said that when people met the Hill in person, it was a total non-starter for them.

Our system sucks.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-03   18:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was there, too...

Did you purchase one of my souvenir license plates for five bucks?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-04   11:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hegemony57's inside information turned out to be spot on.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   11:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rings a bell...I'd have to look around.

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who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-04   11:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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