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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
Source: Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
URL Source: http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cs ... n2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
Keywords: None
Views: 14661
Comments: 554

I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no?

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#309. To: Original_Intent (#306)

Puget Sound? Puh-leeze.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-03   23:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#301)

Iowa was open to manipulation. New Hampshire is not.

Is it fair to say that the media "chatter" was nervous anyway?

I would say yes. I would also bet, based on their nervous reactions, that their internal polling showed much more than ten percent.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: angle (#294)

Hey hey, none of that talk. And another thing...so what Paul isn't in the NH debates. The debates are rigged so he gets what 15 seconds to explain his position? Fugg Faux. We'll have a better time discussing Paul's platform right here.

Angle, you are right.

We need a Primary win to get him on the ballot.

We have a lot of work to do.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: Peppa (#286)

hese I-dunn-O-wans, have done quite enough dirty talk for me for the night.

Is that a no? hehehe

FORMER 4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru

Critter  posted on  2008-01-03   23:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Peppa (#308)

Paul actually WON Jefferson County (the smart Iowans, apparently); but the totals haven't been tallied yet. (It was around 400...won't help him catch McCain/Thompson, but might boot him to 11%.) A couple of other counties out that way missing, as well.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-03   23:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: Original_Intent (#297)

Pee Wee Herman?

!!!!!

Not that kind of booth. LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: Peppa, christine, zipporah, yertle turtle (#237)

Don't forget about us when you leave.

I fully intend to be the first Freedom4um to post from Fiji, and maybe Australia.

I'll be spending just a few hours at Nadi (Fiji) on the way in to Brisbane the Gold Coast, but on the out bound trip I'll have six nights in Fiji.

About a one month trip.

From what my research indicates, freedom4um needs to buy a few acres of land in Fiji and set up a freedom colony.

Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony.

I will post my experiences from the other hemisphere, I do have alot of family that I have treated very well in the US when they have visited, so I think I will be treated nicely.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-03   23:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: Peppa (#308)

I'll put the coffee on.

I like mine Black - and strong enough to corrode a spoon.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: Original_Intent (#299)

Yes, it is. My modest inheritance, mostly quality Jewelry from my collector Mother, has more than tripled in value.

Excellent!

Now, if you guys can just pimp the price of Bradford Collectors plates, I'll be a hundred-aire.

;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: Peppa (#314)

Pee Wee Herman?

!!!!!

Not that kind of booth. LOL!

Thank you. Somebody finally caught it. I was beginning to lose hope.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: tom007, Ferret Mike (#315)

Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony.

I'd like to nominate 4ums other rodent for the job.

FORMER 4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru

Critter  posted on  2008-01-03   23:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: tom007 (#315)

Have a wonderful experience.

"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin

angle  posted on  2008-01-03   23:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: Cynicom (#300)

Show you the value of Iowas caucus, Giuliani received votes and did not even show up, because he knows Iowa is not that important, but still some dummies voted for him.

Cyni,

I have to think about this whole caucus thing. It absolutely makes no sense and never did, but it exists.

I am thinking that Iowa is not really a state of 'our' union. There has to be an actual REASON, why such a goofy charade, exists.

Maybe they are a colony of DC?

Strange, but onward.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: Peppa (#317)

Now, if you guys can just pimp the price of Bradford Collectors plates, I'll be a hundred-aire.

;)

The Bradford Exchange

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: Peppa, critter, dakmar, Original_Intent, ALL! (#321)

One should remember that Bush has a 70 PER CENT approval rating in Iowa...that is WAY out of sync with the rest (normal) part of the country. For Paul to finish just 2% out of THIRD in a state like that is actually quite the accomplishment!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-03   23:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: Cynicom (#307)

Paul himself was not optimistic on Iowa. Take a reasonable showing and go with it.

New Hampshire will go a long ways to setting Pauls future effort.

I thought he would truly rattle the house in Iowa.

I didn't realize it was a nut-house.

But he showed up, as did our wonderful young 'Vacation in Iowa' kids, and God Bless them, they tried.

I'm not comfortable painting Iowans or any state with a broad brush. But, a bat would be fine.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#324)

I thought he would truly rattle the house in Iowa.

I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies. What we're seeing here could be a reaction to that.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-03   23:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: Critter (#312)

Is that a no? hehehe

Yesssssss. LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#327. To: Peppa (#246)

I'm convinced they could not take instructions on putting a nickel in the gum machine and turning the knob.

I take it "they" are American voters.

With that attitude we will be losing elections far past my demise.

The American people vote with their hearts and their pocketbooks.

The typical voter is not a political junkie. He/she is wary of anger and quick fixes. Right now he/she is disatisfied and wants change. The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change.

The majority of Americans are resistant to and fearful of radical change (i.e. quick fixes) otherwise we would have gone even further left during the Great Depression.

I'm not suggesting that we should not have pushed for a "revolution", just that we should go hunting with a rifle and not a blunderbuss.

The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election. The result, if we fail to regroup, will be losing on both counts.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-03   23:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: angle (#320)

Have a wonderful experience.

Thanks angle, I don't really like flying, But Australia...

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-03   23:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: who knows what evil (#313)

Paul actually WON Jefferson County (the smart Iowans, apparently); but the totals haven't been tallied yet. (It was around 400...won't help him catch McCain/Thompson, but might boot him to 11%.) A couple of other counties out that way missing, as well.

Good Lord. They must have the internet(s).

11% is better than 10%.

I studied up on that./s ;)

This is all good news WKWE.. Thanks!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: Critter (#0)

Ron Paul got punked. For all the money the dumbass Paultards gave him that they should have been applying to trailer payments, he couldn't do shit. This was his best opportunity -- drag the losers who don't have anything better to do out to polls to vote for Dr. Islam in a caucas.

Paul is a loser and the Paultards are losers.

longnose gar  posted on  2008-01-03   23:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Critter (#0)

It's a fauxcus fer COL. Not to be associated with an actual primary where one can vote privately...

Gotta admire those brave Iowans who stood for Paul inspite of the pressure surrounding them to do otherwise.

Imagine the credibility of a such process in a precinct where teamsters rule. "uhmmm, you wanna think about that? Maybe you wanna rethink ya choice der eh bro?"

Here it looks like the evangicals were orchestrating the fauxcus.

firing line  posted on  2008-01-03   23:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: who knows what evil, Peppa, critter, dakmar, ALL (#323)

One should remember that Bush has a 70 PER CENT approval rating in Iowa...that is WAY out of sync with the rest (normal) part of the country. For Paul to finish just 2% out of THIRD in a state like that is actually quite the accomplishment!

I am finding that Marion Berry Cobbler and French Vanilla Ice Cream is a good comfort food for tonight.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: tom007 (#315)

From what my research indicates, freedom4um needs to buy a few acres of land in Fiji and set up a freedom colony.

Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony.

I was so 'in' until the Yertle Turtle part. ;)

I don't particularly think I'm ready for 'grocery cart chic',

Can we vote on this later?

hehehe.

Seriously,

I wish you safe travel and many blessings on your journey!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: longnose gar (#330)

Go back to your cave punk.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   23:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: buckeye (#325)

I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies.

Precisely.

A good campaign would have anticipated the issue and would have had an honest but nuanced reply at the ready.

A campaign is not a Political Science lecture.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-03   23:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: TwentyTwelve (#222)

Evangelical Christians accounted for a whopping six in 10 voters – and 45 percent of them supported Huckabee

Stupid fucks.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-03   23:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: longnose gar (#330) (Edited)

Eat shit and die. This says nothing about Paul. It says a lot about the intelligence of the American dumbass voter.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-03   23:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: Original_Intent (#316)

I like mine Black - and strong enough to corrode a spoon.

That would be a regular.

Fine.

I offer raw sugar, cinnamon, and cream. No replacement spoons. ;) LOLOL! There is a mail order Dental plan.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: Original_Intent (#318)

Thank you. Somebody finally caught it. I was beginning to lose hope.

Ha-ha!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: IndieTX (#336)

Evangelical Christians accounted for a whopping six in 10 voters – and 45 percent of them supported Huckabee

Stupid fucks.

Huckabee Falsely Claiming To Have Theology Degree

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   23:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: iconoclast (#335) (Edited)

I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies.

Precisely.

A good campaign would have anticipated the issue and would have had an honest but nuanced reply at the ready.

A campaign is not a Political Science lecture.

A good response could have been something along the lines of:

"It is not the Federal Government's job to tell Farmers what crops to grow, and that is exactly what a subsidy does - it locks farmers into raising those crops which attract the highest subsidies out of someone else's pocket. It is unfair to the farmer and to the person whose pocket is being picked for the subsidy, and it is NOT one of the Federal Government's Constitutionally defined duties. I do favor lower taxes which do not penalize farmers for being successful."

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: Original_Intent (#322)

;)

The Bradford Exchange

Too funny.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-03   23:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: Peppa (#338)

I offer raw sugar, cinnamon, and cream. No replacement spoons. ;) LOLOL!

That's fine - too many spoons and it starts taking on a metallic taste anyway.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: Peppa (#342)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-03   23:54:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: Original_Intent (#293)

No one else could be convincingly promoted to winner in Iowa as it is a Bible Belt State.

Nonsense. Back to Geography 101 for you.

I am sure there were some major shenanigans with the vote.

Utter nonsense. I'll bet the coach didn't like you either. Grow up.

It will be interesting to see what the Poll Watchers and Vote Canvassers have to report in the morning. I am sure there will be indications of widespread fraud, but the people controlling the enforcement arm are part of the fraud operation, and the Lamestream Media will go 24/7 saying "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, etc., ...

Sleep tight tonight .... but don't forget to check under your bed.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-03   23:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: longnose gar (#330)

FORMER 4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru

Critter  posted on  2008-01-03   23:56:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: Original_Intent (#341)

Wead Predicted: Huckabee's Iowa Win, But Now Losses Ahead

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-03   23:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: iconoclast (#345)

The Bible Belt is not limited to the Confederacy.

And the Coach lovvvvvvvvved me. I am a killer Pass Rusher. Not quite as good against the run, but good enough to keep the other team honest. And I scored a Touchdown once playing Center - the ball was tipped and I recovered it in the End Zone by sliding in on my back and trapping it against my chest.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   0:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: Critter (#346)

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   0:02:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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