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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
URL Source: http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cs ... n2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Views: 14683
Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#369. To: iconoclast (#366)
Make sure to be clear that there is: 1. A lesson to be learned (from the corn incident).
I likes it. Yessirrrrrrrrrrreeee!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm trying to draw the distinction between a schoolmarm approach and an honest but non hectoring approach. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down ... Mary Poppins. I don't disagree with you on principles OI, but what good did preaching to the choir ever do?
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
"Remember when families were small farmers? We can do that again with your help."
OK, first I have to find a 1934 Ford to use for the getaway.
FORMER I share your pain but I yearn for maximum impact.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
They can't take those away from us. No. I can still see it in my minds eye - it was like everything was in slow motion - the Receiver and the Back went up fighting for the ball and it got tipped up, I was free from my block, and I don't know to this day how fast I moved through those ten yards to the End Zone but I did, but I could also see that I could not catch it before it hit the ground and that the only way was to get under it. The next thing you know there I am on my back under the ball and clutching it in to my chest. It is not something I'll ever forget - it is not everyday that the Center turns into a Receiver and scores a Touchdown. Pefectly legal too - once the ball was tipped by a defensive player it was a live ball - and my actions were as legal as Church on Sunday in the Bible Belt.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Point granted, and you are most correct - in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn. I think buckeye has a point too - in that you could phrase eliminating subsidies as a positive - which I was trying to do. I know though, realistically, that eliminating farm subsidies in the "Farm Belt" is about as popular as a Skunk at a Square Dance. However, all the subsidies do is reward farmers for an inefficient use of their time and land. I know farmers do not like to change crops, but if over production exists then, failing subsidies, they are forced to learn a new crop - or more than one.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You must have read "How To Win Friends And Influence People" by Dale Carnegie, a classic to this day in people skills.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Truthfully - I learned it from a friend, but experience has taught me that it is true.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Banned Commercial - Bill Clinton Voodoo doll I don't know if she is, but I with someone had a voodoo doll of her like Bill's in the above commercial.
That is hillarious!
This website reports a total of only 15,822 votes for the entire state of Iowa. Did they lose the other 200,000 or so votes that were predicted by the "huge voter turnout" that was reported?
Sweet!
I second 'entertaining', as in 'inconsequencial'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Hee Hee. Great memory! I've got a few I'll try to share with you one of these days. Some exciting (a few, embarrassing). ;-)
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
So much for the 'RP enthuzed supporters' hijacking the GOP. 2 lessons to learn so far: - the pro-war, pro-torture, pro-big gov't party will NOT nominated the anti-all-of-the-above candidate. Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Just the person from whom I want input. Whom do you favor in the upcoming elections and why?
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
I can only recollect one popular authoritarian. The one in an old story involving a cowboy brothel and the most favored "lady".
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Some say USDA's insurance break for Monsanto customers unfair "He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
The polls said 10%. The polls are not indicative of RP's support at all. If the polls "nailed" it, then there is cheating going on, big time. You are RIGHT. There is no way this is correct. Funny, funny, funny, funny, funny. Like I said before, reality is here now and it is now biting your ass. Run!!!! Hide!!!!! Breaking news: THE PRO-WAR (pro-Bush, etc.) PARTY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE ANTI-WAR (anti-Bush, etc.) CANDIDATE. FRAUD ALLEGED. Sorry, couldn't resist it. I promise to try hard not to further rub your nose in in.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast... You seem to delight in your sideline activities, somewhat akin to a child that is not able to compete.
Compete? :))) What is the 'RP as a GOP' strategy for winning the US presidency again? I'm listening. And, don't forget. The NH primary is coming in 4 days. The Zogby poll has RP at 7% among the GOPs. Do you expect RP to win the NH GOP primary?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
vast... You openly display that you are a freerider and a sideliner.
Vast seems to be a man without a country. He is anti everything it seems.
Tag Line For Rent
Okay, fine. Sorry for interrupting the rain dance. The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
ROFL!
How was what opportunity wasted?
Tag Line For Rent
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go.
Wasted??? Baying on the sidelines is very immature especially when you offer nothing. Lets see just how politically astute you really are. Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon.
Run!!!! Hide!!!!! If all indy's have your touch of class, I may not ever vote for one. Please feel free to continue acting like an ass.
This is so funny because I actually heard these very words when I was about 18 or 19 years old. They were uttered by a Communist activist. The context was myself and a bunch of my fellow students no longer being afraid by the implied threats and behaving as normal people in all circumstances, no matter what. Being anti all the BS that one was exposed to in a Commie universe came with that and doing so produced a lot of consternation and hatred. By the way, my first 'arrest' happened at the age of 7, for spitting on the black limo of a Commie official - my first 'anti-everything' public act. Back to the topic. I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination. Is he going to win NH? SC? FL? CA? NY? PA? Does anyone have an estimated GOP delegates count, showing how RP wins the GOP nomination?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
That one is too funny, thanks.
So you're a GOP-bot but not a Bushbot. I am not surprised.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I already stated that the only (small) chance RP has to win the US presidency is by seeking the vote of the people, not that of the GOPs. If RP ran as in Indie, a 34% of the vote could have won him the presidency, in the context of Rudy/Hillary as his other 2 opponents. As a GOP, RP will get nothing and all this effort is going to be nothing but a waste. By the way, the Ronbots have been very effective at trivializing his ideas too. Lately, all they talk about is the millions the RP campaign raised instead of having a thoughtful discussion of the GOP and Demo ideologies and contrast them with RP's views.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon. Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure... Please address that.
Other than his failing to win any and all the GOP primaries/caucuses and having his message trivialized to 'count the millions'? Hmmm... can't think of any. I remember how Buchanan's message got trivialized, back in 2000, as his campaign spent all its energy fighting over control of Ross Perot's $60 million Reform Party booty. See how often these opportunities come? 8 years is a very long time in a mortal's life. The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory. I just read a book about the 1912 election. Obviously, Teddy Roosevelt did not regain the presidency in that election. But a great many of the things he and the Progressives had put in their platform that year were enacted in the next few years by Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic Congress.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Wasted???? It appears you have given zero thinking concerning a post Paul failure. There are many avenues to explore and it would be interesting to read what you see.
Associated Press - January 4, 2008 12:04 AM ET DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republican Ron Paul says his run for the White House is just beginning, despite a fifth-place finish in the Iowa caucuses. The Texas congressman spoke to a boisterous crowd tonight that chanted "Live free or die" and "Ron Paul." He answered the chants by saying -- "I am more encouraged than ever before." Paul says he is encouraged he placed ahead of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Paul, a 10-term member of Congress, has waged an unusual campaign that matched his libertarian views with events involving a blimp and the re-enactment of the Boston Tea Party. Paul opposes the Iraq war, opposes the federal income tax and urges Americans to push for a fiscally responsible government. Sound like he's just getting started.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
You are exactly right. RP's lone voice was relatively unknown to the public. He has left us a guidebook to move forward no matter what happens. The world loves him too, and I would say, nothing has been wasted in spreading RP's message. I hope he continues to lead us all. The message is so feared, the media blacks him out. Little fires are burning across the land. He is the most inspiring candidate I have ever seen.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBy golly, maybe I will.
2. They need to start planning/staffing ahead.
#370. To: Critter (#351)
That usually shuts him up. lol
#371. To: Original_Intent (#355)
It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. There is a difference between a political answer and an honest answer.
#372. To: iconoclast (#371)
#373. To: christine (#364)
meet me in DC? ;)
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#374. To: X-15 (#365)
You just defined the Ron Paul Revolution. I'm a burned-out Republican tired of being lied to by a GOP that is going to hell two steps behind the Demonrats.
#375. To: iconoclast (#359)
Ah, memories! ;-)
#376. To: iconoclast (#371)
I'm trying to draw the distinction between a schoolmarm approach and an honest but non hectoring approach.
#377. To: Original_Intent (#376)
in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn.
#378. To: X-15 (#377)
#379. To: X-15 (#368)
"I'm really glad to see Hitlery get pwned by Obama and Edwards. I wonder if she's throwing ash trays at her campaign staff??"
#380. To: Ferret Mike, All (#379)
#381. To: lizza76, All (#1)
http://www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/VoteTotals.aspx
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#382. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#383. To: Mekons4 (#36)
This is without doubt the most entertaining primary season ever.
#384. To: Original_Intent (#375)
No. I can still see it in my minds eye - it was like everything was in slow motion
#385. To: scrapper2 (#73)
Frightening isn't it? I thought the bad weather might keep the geezers away...I mean I was hoping that the senior citizens would stay home where it was safe.
- a huge, centuries-old mature political mafia organization, such as the GOP, is not 'a tool' just waiting to be used by anyone who wishes to take advantage of it.
#386. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
#387. To: Original_Intent (#376)
Point granted, and you are most correct - in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn.
#388. To: Original_Intent (#376)
all the subsidies do is reward farmers for an inefficient use of their time and land. I know farmers do not like to change crops, but if over production exists then, failing subsidies, they are forced to learn a new crop - or more than one.
#389. To: Peppa (#139)
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%.
#390. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#389)
Sorry, couldn't resist it. I promise to try hard not to further rub your nose in in.
#391. To: Cynicom (#390)
#392. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#391)
#393. To: Cynicom, a vast rightwing conspirator (#392)
You openly display that you are a freerider and a sideliner.
#394. To: Cynicom (#392)
#395. To: Critter (#351)
That usually shuts him up. lol
#396. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#394)
The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
#397. To: iconoclast (#327)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
#398. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#394)
The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
#399. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#389)
Funny, funny, funny, funny, funny. Like I said before, reality is here now and it is now biting your ass.
#400. To: Critter (#393)
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Vast seems to be a man without a country. He is anti everything it seems.
#401. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
#402. To: Peppa (#399)
If all indy's have your touch of class, I may not ever vote for one.
#403. To: Cynicom (#398)
#404. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#403)
Lets see just how politically astute you really are.
#405. To: Cynicom (#404)
Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure...
#406. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#400)
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I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination.
#407. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#405)
The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
#408. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#400)
http://www.kptm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7576069&nav=menu606_2
Rep. Ron Paul vows to take GOP campaign to New Hampshire
#409. To: aristeides (#406)
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
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