This website reports a total of only 15,822 votes for the entire state of Iowa. Did they lose the other 200,000 or so votes that were predicted by the "huge voter turnout" that was reported?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
Frightening isn't it? I thought the bad weather might keep the geezers away...I mean I was hoping that the senior citizens would stay home where it was safe.
So much for the 'RP enthuzed supporters' hijacking the GOP.
2 lessons to learn so far:
- the pro-war, pro-torture, pro-big gov't party will NOT nominated the anti-all-of-the-above candidate. - a huge, centuries-old mature political mafia organization, such as the GOP, is not 'a tool' just waiting to be used by anyone who wishes to take advantage of it.
all the subsidies do is reward farmers for an inefficient use of their time and land. I know farmers do not like to change crops, but if over production exists then, failing subsidies, they are forced to learn a new crop - or more than one.
Some say USDA's insurance break for Monsanto customers unfair
What is the 'RP as a GOP' strategy for winning the US presidency again?
I'm listening. And, don't forget. The NH primary is coming in 4 days. The Zogby poll has RP at 7% among the GOPs. Do you expect RP to win the NH GOP primary?
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
Good morning I.
I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was?
I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go.
The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
Wasted???
Baying on the sidelines is very immature especially when you offer nothing.
Lets see just how politically astute you really are.
Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon.
Vast seems to be a man without a country. He is anti everything it seems.
This is so funny because I actually heard these very words when I was about 18 or 19 years old. They were uttered by a Communist activist. The context was myself and a bunch of my fellow students no longer being afraid by the implied threats and behaving as normal people in all circumstances, no matter what. Being anti all the BS that one was exposed to in a Commie universe came with that and doing so produced a lot of consternation and hatred. By the way, my first 'arrest' happened at the age of 7, for spitting on the black limo of a Commie official - my first 'anti-everything' public act.
Back to the topic. I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination. Is he going to win NH? SC? FL? CA? NY? PA? Does anyone have an estimated GOP delegates count, showing how RP wins the GOP nomination?
I already stated that the only (small) chance RP has to win the US presidency is by seeking the vote of the people, not that of the GOPs. If RP ran as in Indie, a 34% of the vote could have won him the presidency, in the context of Rudy/Hillary as his other 2 opponents. As a GOP, RP will get nothing and all this effort is going to be nothing but a waste.
By the way, the Ronbots have been very effective at trivializing his ideas too. Lately, all they talk about is the millions the RP campaign raised instead of having a thoughtful discussion of the GOP and Demo ideologies and contrast them with RP's views.
Lets see just how politically astute you really are.
Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon.
Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure...
Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure...
Other than his failing to win any and all the GOP primaries/caucuses and having his message trivialized to 'count the millions'? Hmmm... can't think of any.
I remember how Buchanan's message got trivialized, back in 2000, as his campaign spent all its energy fighting over control of Ross Perot's $60 million Reform Party booty. See how often these opportunities come? 8 years is a very long time in a mortal's life. The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
#406. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#400)(Edited)
I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination.
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
I just read a book about the 1912 election. Obviously, Teddy Roosevelt did not regain the presidency in that election. But a great many of the things he and the Progressives had put in their platform that year were enacted in the next few years by Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic Congress.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
Wasted????
It appears you have given zero thinking concerning a post Paul failure.
There are many avenues to explore and it would be interesting to read what you see.
Rep. Ron Paul vows to take GOP campaign to New Hampshire
Associated Press - January 4, 2008 12:04 AM ET
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republican Ron Paul says his run for the White House is just beginning, despite a fifth-place finish in the Iowa caucuses.
The Texas congressman spoke to a boisterous crowd tonight that chanted "Live free or die" and "Ron Paul."
He answered the chants by saying -- "I am more encouraged than ever before."
Paul says he is encouraged he placed ahead of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
Paul, a 10-term member of Congress, has waged an unusual campaign that matched his libertarian views with events involving a blimp and the re-enactment of the Boston Tea Party.
Paul opposes the Iraq war, opposes the federal income tax and urges Americans to push for a fiscally responsible government.
Sound like he's just getting started.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
You are exactly right. RP's lone voice was relatively unknown to the public. He has left us a guidebook to move forward no matter what happens. The world loves him too, and I would say, nothing has been wasted in spreading RP's message. I hope he continues to lead us all.
The message is so feared, the media blacks him out. Little fires are burning across the land. He is the most inspiring candidate I have ever seen.
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
Ari...
Good to see someone is thinking beyond tomorrow.
Ron Paul win lose or draw is in a position to influence the future course of this country. Ross Perot walked away from 20 million Americans that were hungry for change.
It's so funny. Just as I thought. Now that reality is pinching you, instead of waking up to it, you change the 'win' discussion is not shifting to the 'education' thing. It's like those guys who buy the Penthouse for the nice interviews.
Shouldn't you get back to your older threads and recall what the talk there was about? By the way, if the education thing is what matters, why 75% of the RP talk is about the millions he raised and why do you bother to follow the caucuses and primaries returns?
It's so funny. Just as I thought. Now that reality is pinching you,
Vast...
Let me phrase this in your terms... "I have always accepted that Ron Pauls chances of becoming President are zero".
That is reality and I would believe that most people accept that. That however does not allow me and most other Americans here to sit on the sidelines doing nothing. That is your option and welcome to it. Most of the good people here are made of sterner material.
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
Why do you keep avoiding ADDING something to the discussion??? Anyone can be negative, it takes no great intellect, however discussing the future does require thinking.
(Palo) I didnt see this thread so I posted my two cents about the Iowa primary on another thread here is is where it belonged I'll copy it here
I think Ron Paul getting 10% in Iowa yesterday is very good it is only 3% less than McCain and Fred Thompson
Ron Paul will do better in New Hampshire and even better in South Carolina
After that there will be momentum to win primaries
His campaign builds all the time
I know in my gut Ron Paul will be our President
I watched some of the coverage of Iowa on FOX last evening What interested me most was when Brit Hume interviewed the Iowa political journalist, who is expert on Iowa politics
The Iowa journalist said "money and a big campaign organization isn't what does it in Iowa "Iowans like a message "Huckabee gave them a message, which was populist "Iowa voters don't want Wall Street running our country anymore, "they want someone who will look out for the little guy"
This is a paraphrase and poor rendition
But basically he was saying Iowans don't want the same people running government who have been there before, they really do want a change, and change in direction He said this is why they voted for Huckabee
It occurred to me Iowans may not have been that well-acquainted with Ron Paul, since he offers them what they truly want
And if it is true that Iowans chose Huckabee for these reasons, then it is very likely voters in other States will choose Ron Paul for these same reasons
They always used to say how Iowa votes is an emblem of how country feels And it is immensely positive for the Ron Paul campaign, that the majority of our country wants a change from the establishment and the establishment's way of doing things
PS (back on a political note) It really did strike me when I heard that Iowa poltical journalist explain why Iowans voted for Huckabee He said what message it was that Huckabee gave, that Iowans wanted
it really is what Ron Pal will give them (and what Huckabee would never deliver on)
but it showed me what voters want now, and what they want is what Ron Paul offers and will deliver on
Now is the time for Ron Paul to really get his message out to ALL If media won't let him he must use all that money supporters gave him to plaster TV with ads week before the Primaries Good ads! So they know exactly who Ron Paul is, what he stands for, what he wants and what he will do
We learn from the Iowa primary that all voters need is to know Ron Paul, and they will vote for him
and I do thnk how Iowa voters think is emblem of the country Love, Palo
to sum it up, we learned from Iowa primary what voters want and what they want is what Ron Paul will give them how can this not be great news for us we just have to let all voters know Ron Paul
#417. To: Peppa, iconoclast, TwentyTwelve, christine, FormerLurker, All (#397)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
Good morning I.
I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was?
I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go.
And it is a good thought, and one with which I agree. The point is not any particular dogma whether it is labeled "libertarian" or otherwise. The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints.
Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. Whether someone is an Iowa Farmer or a City Slicker the point remains unchanged. Taking money from one person forcibly to give to another is still theft - whether one uses the government to do it or the old fashioned way at gun point.
Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".
"Life is tough; it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".