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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
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Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Views: 15123
Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#416. To: Fred Mertz, ALL (#414)
PS (back on a political note) it really is what Ron Pal will give them but it showed me what voters want now, and what they want is what Ron Paul offers Now is the time for Ron Paul to really get his message out to ALL We learn from the Iowa primary and I do thnk how Iowa voters think is emblem of the country to sum it up, we learned from Iowa primary what voters want
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go. And it is a good thought, and one with which I agree. The point is not any particular dogma whether it is labeled "libertarian" or otherwise. The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints. Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. Whether someone is an Iowa Farmer or a City Slicker the point remains unchanged. Taking money from one person forcibly to give to another is still theft - whether one uses the government to do it or the old fashioned way at gun point. Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of". "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hi Palo! Nice to see you dropping in.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Iowans appear to be "dumbed down".
I am happy to see you too, my sweet love GO Ron GO!!
I think the observation that someone made (I forget who and too lazy to look) that a lot of Iowans still get most of their "Nooze and Infotainment" from the Lamestream Lying Dishonest Sons of Bitches in the controlled media is likely true. Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't. Thus we get the result we got - and with a little help from the "wonders" of technology.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jesus advised His followers to "be wise as serpents"...didn't see too many 'serpents' in the crowd last night. :-(
An astounding number of them showed up at the cauci (plural for 'caucus', right?) last night without having ANY IDEA who to vote for. They made up their mind at the CAUCUS. Geez...
Truly disturbing information. Wake UP, America - use what brain-cells you have to educate yourselves about these people who (except one) want to rule you.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! (That's my Rebel ancestors talking.)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Glad to hear your comments. I was wondering what you would say about his showings. My initial hope a couple of weeks ago was that he would do only okay in Iowa, thus throwing off-guard his neocon msm detractors, but would then would astound the pundits with him pulling first or second in New Hampshire and beyond. I hope this is the case. In any event, Paul has two delegates so far for the convention, and unlike most Republican delegates, are unlikely to change their votes to accommodate any of the other candidates, causing possible gridlock at the convention (it's either Ron Paul or nobody). Stay tuned. Jan 8 will have me glued to the computer/tv. I'll be off from work and it's also my birthday. A Ron Paul victory will be the best present in years.
What is the average Iowan IQ?
:-(
How many precincts in Carrol County ???? What does a golfer say when he strikes an errant ball ????
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Palo, good to see your handle again. Missed your sweet posts.
Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. You nailed OI. Perfect!! Thank you!
What is the average Iowan IQ? 1200 baud? /s
Just checking, nothing yet? Didn't think so.
The Establishment's Voting Machines
Thanks TT. Damn. If all the people woke up at the same time and acknowledged this, would it make any difference?
"For there is one thing we must never forget… the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards." -- Adolf Hitler
www.iowagop.net/straw.poll.asp Iowa Straw Poll Results (Augusts 11, 2007) Mitt Romney Wins Iowa Straw Poll With attendance of 33,000 and votes cast by more than 14,000, Republican party officials called the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll a resounding success. No one was more pleased than Governor Mitt Romney who received 4,516 votes to win the Straw Poll. In second place Governor Mike Huckabee earned 2,587 votes and was followed by Senator Sam Brownback who received 2,192 ballots cast in his favor. In a close fourth, U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo received 1,961 votes. In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305. Governor Tommy Thompson finished in sixth place with 1,029 votes and was followed by seventh place finisher, and undeclared candidate, Fred Thompson who had 203 votes cast for him. Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 183 votes for eighth place followed by U.S. Representative Duncan Hunter in ninth place with 174 votes. Senator John McCain, in 10th position, got 101 votes. And finishing last with 41 votes was John Cox. "Reports of the demise of the Iowa Straw Poll were premature and proven false today," stated Ray Hoffmann, chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa. "Activists turned out in great numbers to support their candidates despite a heat index exceeding 100 degrees. The atmosphere here rivaled that of the State Fair." New voting procedures were in place at the Iowa Straw Poll which required presentation and validation of a photo ID along with a ticket. "Iowans proudly stepped up to meet our voting requirements," Chuck Laudner, executive director of the Republican Party of Iowa, remarked. "To see more than 14,000 purple thumbs on this campus was thrilling." With theses new voting procedures in place, party officials were confident all votes were cast by Iowans only. "Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs," Laudner explained. "Our process guaranteed the one person, one vote ideal was upheld. We believe photo identification should be required before any vote is cast in Iowa elections and today we proved the process was not only possible, it was effective and efficient." The Iowa Straw Poll continues a decades' long tradition of testing candidates' organizational strength, bringing likely caucus-goers together, and winnowing the field. In the 1999 caucus, 89,000 participated. Today's Straw Poll vote tally represents more than 15 percent of that total, the most representative sample of likely voters' opinions, Laudner concluded.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much.
In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305."
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape. The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much. Isn't technology wonderful? You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest. Does the degree of the Hickabee win make sense to you?
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure??????? Not true. The Paulbots claim that the reason RP is running in the GOP primaries is because the GOP is the vehicle for him winning the presidency. Of course, they are going to do a 180 now and state that RP is only making all this noise to 'educate' the consumers. It's quite pathetic, if you make an effort to think about it. What upsets me is not the fact that RP has 'zero chances' to win the presidency but the fact that he actually had a chance to win it and it all went down to waste because he stayed with one of the 2 criminal political 2-parties. It's a huge waste. As for the educating of the consumers... a dozen 30-second sound-bites on the teevee does not educate a consumer. Want to educate the people? Write a book.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO] Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire.
You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka". Absolutely. I believe ItisAlmostTooLate posted a video once of testimony taken in the Ohio debacle, where the programmer testified to the fact of such. It's an incredible video, and the judges were so shocked. (Ahem.) What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
Who cares...they just marginalize him anyway and he's in the ABC Poll and he got PLENTY of press about the Faux poll, so overall, not a bad thing.
Live free or die.
Vast... Looks like rain tomorrow.
Well, if you want me to predict the future it's... plastics, for as long as we can get the hydrocarbs to make them. Or, maybe genetic engineering so that our offspring could be more like lions than like dogs or cows. Or maybe there CAN be a new frontier, somewhere in space. The most plausible post-Ron Paul future, IMHO, it's a world increasingly maintained by robotic devices - just got the Missus a robotic vacuum cleaner for Xmas - while humans immerse themselves into VR games and get so fat and real-world-lazy, they can no longer move. If the humes die off before the bots get self-sufficient, then it's the end of it. If the bots are capable of self-maintenance and self-improvement before the last human kicks the bucket then... why would they take advantage of such capability anyway. Unless... they find religion.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Looks like rain tomorrow.
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In my heart, I'm with you here. I believe in and have seen some small miracles with respect to RP's campaign and the people supporting it. Then there is my mind. My nagging mind. Always incredulous why people still go to movies where the young girl goes in to check out a weird sound in an old abandoned house, after finding something dead on the porch. Or something like that. A part of this brain of mine says, the PTB are pushing the public into a corner to goad them into revolt. Then plans laid to deal with such can be put into action. If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
I better clean up the musket then. There's always griping and whining from the sidelines as a backup plan.
When any army goes into battle, they have at least two plans. Plan A...How to win. Plan B...Having lost, how do we salvage something to fight another day.
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It really did strike me when I heard that Iowa poltical journalist explain why Iowans voted for Huckabee
He said what message it was that Huckabee gave, that Iowans wanted
(and what Huckabee would never deliver on)
and will deliver on
If media won't let him
he must use all that money supporters gave him to plaster TV with ads week before the Primaries
Good ads! So they know exactly who Ron Paul is, what he stands for,
what he wants and what he will do
that all voters need is to know Ron Paul, and they will vote for him
Love, Palo
and what they want is what Ron Paul will give them
how can this not be great news for us
we just have to let all voters know Ron Paul
#417. To: Peppa, iconoclast, TwentyTwelve, christine, FormerLurker, All (#397)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
"Life is tough; it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
#418. To: Critter (#263)
Maybe it's time to finish up those 69gr .223 rounds I started a couple of months ago.
#419. To: palo verde (#416)
#420. To: Original_Intent (#417)
Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".
#421. To: Original_Intent (#419)
hugs and kisses, Palo
#422. To: TwentyTwelve (#420)
#423. To: TwentyTwelve (#420)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#424. To: Original_Intent (#422)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#425. To: who knows what evil (#424)
An astounding number of them showed up at the cauci (plural for 'caucus', right?) last night without having ANY IDEA who to vote for. They made up their mind at the CAUCUS. Geez...
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#426. To: palo verde (#421)
#427. To: palo verde (#416)
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#428. To: Original_Intent (#422)
Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't.
#429. To: who knows what evil (#423)
#430. To: TwentyTwelve (#428)
What is the average Iowan IQ?
#431. To: palo verde (#415)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#432. To: Original_Intent (#417)
The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints.
#433. To: TwentyTwelve (#428)
#434. To: palo verde (#421)
GO Ron GO!!
#435. To: Cynicom (#412)
#436. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#433)
#437. To: TwentyTwelve (#436)
The Establishment's Voting Machines
#438. To: Original_Intent (#426)
#439. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#437)
#440. To: TwentyTwelve (#439)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#441. To: Peppa (#440)
#442. To: Peppa, All (#440)
#443. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#440)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#444. To: TwentyTwelve (#442)
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape.
#445. To: Cynicom (#412)
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That is reality and I would believe that most people accept that. That however does not allow me and most other Americans here to sit on the sidelines doing nothing. That is your option and welcome to it. Most of the good people here are made of sterner material.
#446. To: Original_Intent, All (#443)
#447. To: Original_Intent (#443)
Isn't technology wonderful?
#448. To: TwentyTwelve (#446)
#449. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#445)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#450. To: Cynicom (#412)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#451. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
Looks like rain tomorrow.
#452. To: Peppa (#447)
What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
#453. To: Original_Intent (#452)
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
#454. To: Peppa (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#455. To: Cynicom (#454)
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
#456. To: Peppa (#455)
backup plan.
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