I actually think this is a normal state of existence for any human being at any point in history. The forces of tyranny come from within our natures, and are in each of us, every day. Without continual defense, liberty will always be easily overcome -- even by the very efforts being used to defend it (as we've seen after 9/11).
only liberty is natural tyranny is upheld by deceit and don't forget truth requires no effort but believing something false, requires constant monumental effort to keep it in place
our citizens will be so happy and relaxed to have truth
the Ron Paul Presidency will be a joy to every citizen Love, Palo
isn't it nice we are posting to each other again I missed you so much smooooch
do not think that ads would have worked. The public believes that the news media are on their side, on the side of freedom. If they do not hear about Ron Paul on every channel, in each news broadcast, being interviewed and cross-examined by trusted thinkers, they will assume that he is a crank. That wouldn't be changed by expensive ads.
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
I wish I had some talent for campaigns, but I don't I just know what I learned from the Iowa primary is citizens will vote for Ron Paul if they hear his message so somehow his message has to reach all, and Pronto Love, Palo
But it's deep down inside of us all to be that way. The Age of Aquarius will never come for us. I suspect that the elite believe they can bring it with genetic engineering and pharmaceutical therapy, but this is a very dangerous and unpredictable path to take. I missed you, too!
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
O my sweet love it is scheduled for 2012 for whole planet this is why we must put all our eggs in one basket and elect Ron Paul now it determines whether the next 4 years will be heaven or hell for us after that all on planet will be enlightened, there won't be a problem I know you don't see it this way, but it doesn't matter all that matters is we love each other now, and unite our minds now, to make Ron Paul our president now 2012 will come soon enough, and we will see what happens then :) Love, Palo (you already knew I was a new age flake, but you like me anyway :)
after that all on planet will be enlightened, there won't be a problem
LOL, well I don't mind what you think about this as long as you're still willing to keep hope alive in 2013. I plan to be around then to help keep the flame of liberty alive, and I don't expect it to get easier. And if it does, I will be pushing to protect it with everything I can, knowing that human nature will not let it last long if we don't.
So, it's either that or Norman Bates - it's in the eyes.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
Buckeye,
Since we are digging in to our day of reflection here, I came upon a similar thought.
As technologically advanced as the RP volunteer team is and was, it did not seem to reach the old tech crowd (so to speak). So, your point is right. Ron Pauls strategy must include outreach at every level.
And to a point by Robin earlier, some of his messages need to be fine tuned and simplified. Concise and understandable.
Keep praying for miracles, Palo. You seem to have a good connection.
I have been prayng ceaselessly, and I will not stop until he is in our Oval Office this time next year I admit it will take a lot of miracles to put him there But it took a lot of miracles for our country to be born in the first place I am sure appearances were against it when it was first conceived
my latest thought is it is impossble to prevent Ron Paul from winning because there is an ocean of support for him out there and you can't stop an ocean
He is the only one who represents citizens 100,000 people gave money because of this for each one who gave money there are 50 who want Ron Paul to be president just as badly but did not give money (help in other ways) this is a lot of people and there are more each day
we all have to put our minds together tho, about winning elections the politicl class is so expert at this we are so new at it
what happened in Iowa is fine, if we can learn every scrap of information which can be learned from it I wish I was better at this but we have all our minds to join, we can learn from each other together we can be smart even if I can't on my own Love, Palo
Since we are digging in to our day of reflection here, I came upon a similar thought.
As technologically advanced as the RP volunteer team is and was, it did not seem to reach the old tech crowd (so to speak). So, your point is right. Ron Pauls strategy must include outreach at every level.
And to a point by Robin earlier, some of his messages need to be fine tuned and simplified. Concise and understandable.
you are a great baton twirler, Peppa when we have our celebration party on eve of Ron Paul's Inauguration and thank each other for all we did your baton twirling will have first mention kisses, Palo
because there is an ocean of support for him out there
Palo dear, I believe that like I believe in the Age of Aquarius. I don't. That's where you and I come in. We need effective action, not just hopes. If you want to pray for something, pray to help us figure out how to focus the media on Ron Paul effectively and positively, without games, and without impropriety.
The media is controlled by a small number of corporations, and operated by managers/editors/producers who are often CFR members and members of other elite think tanks that have staked their whole programs on preventing a Ron Paul from being elected.
Are we an intelligent enough electorate to deal with this?
It is up to us. I am very serious right now. Are we? Let's find out.
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
a poster on Digg called electing Ron Paul president now, a bloodless revolution which it is this is my kind of revolution, I am non-violent I will give it all I've got Love, Palo
Palo dear, the corporations and special interests that control the media and education where most of the opinion-making about Ron Paul is being done for the voters in all states have BILLIONS in assets to deploy.
Money is helpful, but we need to make history. Can we? Will we? Let's try.
you are a great baton twirler, Peppa when we have our celebration party on eve of Ron Paul's Inauguration and thank each other for all we did your baton twirling will have first mention kisses, Palo
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I came to understand this sinister effect on TOS. People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements." They are fake. But they work. People still at TOS think they're the vast right wing conspiracy.
How do the elites do this? Well how do they keep one of these splinters alive? The use fear, uncertainty, doubt, religious appeal, and heart-strings appeals. No doubt they have industrial psychologists advising Obama and Huckabee right now on this very ploy.
People will actually vote for Huckabee because they are worried about immigration and he promises to do something about it. I am not kidding!
Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
(Palo) there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there
(buckeye) Palo dear, I believe that like I believe in the Age of Aquarius.
LOL just because I am new age doesn't mean I am a ditz :) I gave my grounds for an ocean of support for Ron Paul what is the latest statistic of those who donated money? something like 114,000 people, it could be higher now I explained for each one who gave cold hard cash, there are 50 who support him just as passonately who didn't not everyone has extra cash right now
added to that number, and that must be millions
are those who really like Ron Paul and will vote for him in the general election but will not lift a finger to do much else (I have some friends in that category)
also let's not forget about critical mass this is how critical mass works
"Some people assume that critical mass is one more than half, but it is not. Nor is it 25 percent of the whole, nor even 10 percent of the whole, nor even 5 percent of the whole. Critical mass is reached when 2 to 4 percent of the whole is affected.
''Watch the surface of water as it's brought to a boil. The boiling point is not reached at the point when over half of the surface is bubbling, but long before. The effect of critical mass is exponential. That's what makes it so powerful. A few bubbles break the surface of the water... then, in a sudden rush, all of the water is boiling.''
The problem is that the MSM has people convinced that they do not need to boil the ocean, or that they already are. I think we have to crack this nut to win.
Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
I think so.
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this?
I hadn't heard this, but I had heard about Huck stealing RP's message.
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system.
I can see where this is leading and it isn't going to be pretty. The fact that I too am a non-violent peaceful sort, doesn't mean I'm going to put my head between my knees and kiss my butt goodbye. I prefer a peaceful world and there is no harm in working as hard as possible to bring about change no matter how small, through it.
We are used to practicing war. We are not used to practicing Peace. So we stick to what is familiar, yet creates the most carnage. There is a better way, but we must also work to learn how to get to levers that can create it.
I know people will think that is an absolutely nutty position to take. But it hurts no one to try.
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system.
Yes, I agree. I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. 2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
I don't know what else to do, but this should help.
Most of the Ron Paul meetups I've attended involved holding signs and passing out slim-jims (campaign fliers). We get a good response, maybe one in thirty will honk, and maybe one in one hundred will wave and shout in approval.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system. Yes, I agree. I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. 2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
I don't know what else to do, but this should help.
How would you approach #1?
As for #2, I think we already have a very good guide to work from, and RP's record stands solid.
#507. To: buckeye, Peppa, who knows what evil, ALL (#500)
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I came to understand this sinister effect on TOS. People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements." They are fake. But they work. People still at TOS think they're the vast right wing conspiracy.
How do the elites do this? Well how do they keep one of these splinters alive? The use fear, uncertainty, doubt, religious appeal, and heart-strings appeals. No doubt they have industrial psychologists advising Obama and Huckabee right now on this very ploy.
People will actually vote for Huckabee because they are worried about immigration and he promises to do something about it. I am not kidding!
Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
Tancredo was the anti-immigration candidate and he got nowhere so that issue is not decisive in this election
I am not concerned right now that Obama is being billed as the anti- establishment candidate I will deal with that when Ron Paul has to run against Obama in general election
What we found out in Iowa is all voters now want the anti-establishment candidate (both Dem and Pub voters) We know Ron Paul is the only real McCoy
We knew from the get-go media would not help us, and would do everything in their power to sabotage us We would be foolish to expect anything from the media now they won't help us
So it comes down to Ron Paul has to get out his message to ALL because we found out voters want that message and will want him Love, Palo
I don't know what we can do to help Ron Paul get out his message it was thought giving him all the money would do it but obviously it isn't doing it because the money has to be used to get out his message effectively to ALL and we don't know if his campaign staff has the talent to do that
I have no talent in this department but others do they should post their two cents and post it on the Ron Paul official site too
that site links to DIGG
I just wish I could help in the brainstorming of how his message could reach everyone but there are others on this forum who do have good ideas on this I have read their posts Peppa has some good ideas, and who knows what evil has good ideas too and so do many others I am the only one who is not good at this...
Well as I've said, ads are not going to work because the people expect to be told about their candidates by talk programs on TV and radio. And guess who owns that? But here's the general idea:
People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements."
Huckabee is really Anyone But Ron Paul, so when he speaks of dismantling the IRS the smart GOP operatives see this as a way to co-opt free thinking.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Most of the Ron Paul meetups I've attended involved holding signs and passing out slim-jims (campaign fliers). We get a good response, maybe one in thirty will honk, and maybe one in one hundred will wave and shout in approval.
excellent Dakmar, that is great my Ron Paul meet-up group has been indefatigable altho I am not a good member they have an action every week-end they work non-stop to elect Ron Paul mostly they hold up signs too, in front of the mall, etc
I will say the only yard-signs I have seen in Tucson are for Ron Paul Love, Palo
Tancredo was the anti-immigration candidate and he got nowhere so that issue is not decisive in this election
You're wrong about this Palo. Americans are very afraid of illegal immigration. Their fears are easy to use against them though. Consider the fear that was raised about terrorism after 9/11. Americans decided to give Bush a pass on the Iraq invasion, which would not prevent any future terror, and might have encouraged more. See the pattern? Illegal immigration has been tolerated by the Establishment much to the harm of America. Yet the very fears it has raised will be easily coopted by the splinter "pseudo-rebels."
You and I know that Ron Paul's views of illegal immigration are more sophisticated than that, and he wants to solve the problem with real economic reforms. Again, the proper formula is to go on the attack. Change the debate! Point out that someone is stealing the terms of the debate, if necessary.
We would be foolish to expect anything from the media now
This is wrong, Palo. Without the media, your true peaceful revolution will not happen. You can take that to the bank. But we have something on our side. It's a secret weapon. And you are one of the best people to wield it. Journalists and educators love to think that they are very fair. I heard Gretta Sustern complaining that she thought that Ron Paul deserved airtime, and that was the American way. We used to think of ourselves as a very fair people, before your time. We still are, and journalists go into their fields to uphold these values. Someone else comes along and takes that love away from them.
We can awaken it.
I think you are a MASTER at awakening a sense of fairness in people. I'm going to give you an assignment, if you are willing to accept. Why don't you pick three top journalistic media personalities each of whom you believe has a strain of fairness, or the potential to have it awakened, and make it your personal mission to contact their offices with the idea of persuading them to give Ron Paul effective, honest, and critical coverage? No need for their flattery. No need for them to hide anything. Just give him coverage.
#514. To: buckeye, Peppa, Dakmar, lodwick, ALL (#504)
(buckeye) I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. 2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
I don't know what else to do, but this should help.
that was the other insight I had last week you didn't buy my first insight that there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there the second inisght is Ron Paul is the only candidate who cannot be bought off this is crucial, because it is the one thing needed
it is important what you say about Ron Paul's honesty
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything I am going by my own experience on this I was unwilling to be shown anything by anyone I had to be willing to see it on my own but once I was willing to see truth, it jumped out at me, it couldn't be missed
Caucusing at malls and berms isn't everyone's idea of a good time, I get it. Have you given any thought to helping with letter writing campaign?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
Of course it is! But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent. This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century.
This video beats around the bush, though. It should QUOTE Huckabee saying that he's not linked to the elites or the establishment, and then show that taxes are FOR the Establishment, and FOR elite agendas.
That vid is outstanding and heartbreaking. Whoever put it together did an excellent job. It does drag, so how can this be reassembled for max impact to match the attention span of voters. That's the question. I like a total picture of his record, but in snapshots rather than novel form. A few alternate versions of the same with added information.
I can almost see it in my mind with a Huck v Paul bullet to bullet montage (I hate that word). But the imagery behind it can carry the message farther than the words.