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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
URL Source: http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cs ... n2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Views: 15528
Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#514. To: buckeye, Peppa, Dakmar, lodwick, ALL (#504)
1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. I don't know what else to do, but this should help. that was the other insight I had last week it is important what you say about Ron Paul's honesty I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
awwww Critter, what a honey bunch you are
Caucusing at malls and berms isn't everyone's idea of a good time, I get it. Have you given any thought to helping with letter writing campaign?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Of course it is! But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent. This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century.
That vid is outstanding and heartbreaking. Whoever put it together did an excellent job. It does drag, so how can this be reassembled for max impact to match the attention span of voters. That's the question. I like a total picture of his record, but in snapshots rather than novel form. A few alternate versions of the same with added information. I can almost see it in my mind with a Huck v Paul bullet to bullet montage (I hate that word). But the imagery behind it can carry the message farther than the words. I'm thinking.
People will only see it when they are ready to wake up.
I think you can do it. Brit Hume is honest and fair Altho in the midde of the bombardment of emails about this, I did say to him that he gives the best interviews of everyone Brit Hume is the news director at Fox I don't know who else to write to, because so many of the others lost my trust during the clinton Impeachment Of course I have not watched TV since I went on net in Jan 2000 Love, Palo
Whoops, forgot to add you Palo! Sorry.
Goodnight all!
Not that I know. They probably won't. And in any case, that's symptomatic of a larger set of issues. You're an articulate person with a lot of persuasive power. I think you can strike a chord in the conscience of one or more senior journalist/editors and persuade him/her to take strong action.
Good night to you, too!
(buckeye) Of course it is! (Peppa) People will only see it when they are ready to wake up. I agree with you Peppa
good night darling Peppa
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it. I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream.
(buckeye) Of course it is! it's the story of the millennium Big media, both Parties, and the military industrial complex are all in bed with each other I will think about this some more, but right now I don't see how big media will give Ron Paul a fair shake? Glen Beck did a nice interview with Ron Paul on New Years Day Are you committed to the idea we can't win without big media
As I've suggested, persuasive, enchanting, and sweet people like you should sign up to persuade them that they are being unfair and conspiratorial if they don't cover Ron Paul's story. Are you committed to the idea we can't win without big media Not at all. I'm an optimist, otherwise you would never have encountered me on these boards.
Hi sweetheart I am sorry to be such a couch potato for Ron Paul now I have Ron Paul bumper stickers front and back bumpers on both truck and 2nd hand car the election season has just begun
I don't particularly think I'm ready for 'grocery cart chic', Well he claims he actually lives in a tree stump so I have to suppose the grocery cart is his holiday recreational vehicle. He is however a good retirement financial specialist.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream. I agree with you Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why is that not a good idea? Love, Palo
We gave out 50 or so last Saturday at gun show, and some on Sunday too I'd guess but wasn't there. If you show up at a meetup someone will likely have a spare sign, otherwise they can be ordered, but it costs less to buy in bulk.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world.
leading up to the clinton Impeachment I wrote letters, real letters not email to every journalist every single day when I tried to stop the bombing of Yugoslavia, again I wrote letters (snail mail) every day now I think there must be a willingness first, before a letter can communicate
I'm not sure that letters are the best. Phone calls are a way to say, "Let me come to your office and meet you for 30 minutes and talk about this."
(Dakmar) We gave out 50 or so last Saturday at gun show, and some on Sunday too I'd guess but wasn't there. If you show up at a meetup someone will likely have a spare sign, otherwise they can be ordered, but it costs less to buy in bulk. thanks Dakmnar I have been wanting a Ron Paul yardsign with all my heart since he announced his candidacy
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world. no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras but of course the media loved it, it was so much fun as you pointed out, this (Ron Paul) is the story of the century but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now I will start to put my thinking cap on
Doesn't smell right to me, but he is a Zionist supporter so........
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are correct on that PV. I went to HS with Mike and he is (was?)a good guy person to person, but is a state loving authoritarian. If you like the way things have been going Mike's the man for you. And a apostate Christian.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Think hard out there - after the bras, what else is there to burn? Once the puppies are freed, is much else left tethered?
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I have the answer, but it would take REAL men to carry out the plan.
Tag Line For Rent
I just watched Bill Moyers interviewing Ron Paul. When you can watch streaming video of this, if it's uploaded, please do. It was a great interview, one of the best! Ron Paul was followed by Dennis Kucinich. Bill Moyers asked similar questions, and the focus was on media reform. Of course the two leaders had different views; one collectivist, the other free market. I will start to put my thinking cap on You are a brilliant lady. I think you may come up with some excellent ideas. If they involve "happenings" akin to bra burnings, that would be funny.
I will start to put my thinking cap on You know that was stolen about 20 years ago.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
What if Ron Paul burned his shorts?
I support Ron Paul for the Republican nomination and can't say much at this point as I am the one who derailed Nader's initiative petition campaign by exposing fraud by some of the petioners who were being paid to get Ralph to get on the ballot in Oregon. Allot of people at that building the petition campaign contractor was located in knew about some of the tricks and scams. I was the only one who patiently documented as many of them I could and got the information to the right people. Believe it or not, I am an effective, real life activist. But don't hold it against me please. ;-) People I know lurk my posts, and I am trying to get along with my fellow Pacific Greens so I am not going to jump in and say exactly how I feel right now about various people. Other then to say Paul is the only qualified Republican canidate, and I most closely agree politically with Dennis Kucinich.
thank you for your post Tom
I figured as much. Makes perfect sense. I'm having a problem. There's a girl about 24 with whom we've been friends since she was 3. Lives in Bay Area California. Typical liberal urban schooling, UC graduate, parents lower middle class. 1/2 upper middle class jewish grandparents. Seems pretty aware of many issues, well travelled. She's supporting the Dems because they aren't the Pubs, regardless of the candidate. Actually she wants Kucinich. Doesn't want to discuss or hear anything about Paul because he's pub and anti-abortion. The war, altho bad, is the fault of the pubs. More the reality of it, to me, is that she is fukked. She can't get a job unless it's funded by the government because private industry in the areas in which she's interested don't exist (organic agriculture). She doesn't have a job. Finishing Master's degree. College loans, still lives with parents. Has never held a 40 hour per week gig for more than 2 months and that was only once. Therefore, she instinctively knows that her only option is to support the socialist candidate because otherwise, she has no future. I think that's the belief of many liberals who support the dems. They have to have it, no matter if it causes genocide, environmental pollution or class/race warfare; all the things they like to believe they're against. How do you reconcile the erroneous "Paul = Republican Neo Con" to people in that circle?
Live free or die.
Ron Paul was followed by Dennis Kucinich. It was a great interview, one of the best! Wow Buckeye what a lovely post to wake up to
LOL!
'Neocon' is erroneous (and I doubt that anyone believes that RP is a neocon) but 'Republican' is not. He declared repeatedly that he wishes to stay inside the big tent of the awfully disgusting GOPs. I know, he disagrees with the GOPs more than he agrees with them but, for some incomprehensible reason, he wishes to stay with the party of Giuliani, W Bush and Scooter Libby. Like my Chinese friend would say if he heard of this: "vely, vely, stlange".
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Exactly. And he, like Bill Clinton before him, will do anything to become one.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are so perceptive, Tom
(buckeye) I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
you didn't buy my first insight that there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there
the second inisght is Ron Paul is the only candidate who cannot be bought off
this is crucial, because it is the one thing needed
I am going by my own experience on this
I was unwilling to be shown anything by anyone
I had to be willing to see it on my own
but once I was willing to see truth, it jumped out at me, it couldn't be missed
#515. To: Critter (#513)
thank you
Love, Palo
#516. To: palo verde (#510)
#517. To: palo verde (#514)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
#518. To: buckeye (#508)
This video beats around the bush, though. It should QUOTE Huckabee saying that he's not linked to the elites or the establishment, and then show that taxes are FOR the Establishment, and FOR elite agendas.
#519. To: buckeye (#517)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything Of course it is!
#520. To: buckeye (#511)
...I'm going to give you an assignment, if you are willing to accept. Why don't you pick three top journalistic media personalities each of whom you believe has a strain of fairness, or the potential to have it awakened, and make it your personal mission to contact their offices with the idea of persuading them to give Ron Paul effective, honest, and critical coverage? No need for their flattery. No need for them to hide anything. Just give him coverage.
I don't know if I can get his ear again, I bombarded him with emails last week
when Ron Paul was excluded from the Fox GOP debate on January 6th
Has Fox reversed that decision yet?
and I would very much like him to interview Ron Paul
he is fair, he is honest
Only Brit Hume held onto it
I became addicted to posting on political forums
maybe there are are new journalists around who are honest and trustworthy
I'll start to watch TV again
#521. To: buckeye, Palo Verde (#519)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything Of course it is! People will only see it when they are ready to wake up.
#522. To: All (#521)
#523. To: palo verde (#520)
Has Fox reversed that decision yet?
#524. To: Peppa, palo verde (#522)
Goodnight all!
#525. To: Peppa, buckeye, ALL (#519)
(Palo) I don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
The truth is always out there to be seen
if we put some other value ahead of truth, we will not see truth
IMHO
Love, Palo
#526. To: Peppa (#522)
Love, Palo
#527. To: palo verde (#525)
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
#528. To: buckeye, Dakmar, critter, all (#517)
(Palo) I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent.
This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century
but I don't think they will cover it
The military industrial complex sets the foreign policy for our government now to serve their greed
Ron Paul will change all that
and of course Brit Hume is a GREAT interviewer, I would love him to do an interview with Ron Paul. Brit is the best
I say we will win, no matter what big media does do or doesn't do
Love, Palo
#529. To: palo verde (#528)
I will think about this some more, but right now I don't see how big media will give Ron Paul a fair shake?
#530. To: Dakmar (#516)
Caucusing at malls and berms isn't everyone's idea of a good time, I get it. Have you given any thought to helping with letter writing campaign?
I was a political activist in my early twenties
I loved it
I had a ball
political activism is a lot of fun
altho they do say when minds join for truth, nothing can stop it happening
isn't that what we are doing on net together
and I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
maybe I will be more activist
I hope so
Love, Palo
#531. To: Peppa, yertle turtle (#333)
I was so 'in' until the Yertle Turtle part. ;)
#532. To: buckeye (#527)
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it.
the one thing needed now is for everyone to know who Ron Paul is
how to accomplish that I do not know
that is why I am on this thread
to hear others ideas
why not go for ads and infomercials
paid tv time
#533. To: palo verde (#530)
I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
#534. To: palo verde (#532)
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time
#535. To: buckeye (#529)
I was on first name basis at post office
I learned a great deal from that experience
which is people do what they want to do, and don't do what they don't want to do
after that I stopped wasting my breath
(I wanted clinton impeached and removed from office with all my heart)
this time just to congressmen and to Brit Hume
but I only wrote to those who were willing to stop it
to urge them on
no?
#536. To: palo verde (#535)
#537. To: Dakmar (#533)
(Palo) I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
I will show up at the next meet-up action, maybe they will have a sign to give me then
Love, Palo
#538. To: buckeye (#534)
women's lib did a lot of actions after that, but that was the most effective one
and they are deliberately not covering it
#539. To: Peppa (#444)
Does the degree of the Hickabee win make sense to you?
#540. To: palo verde (#467)
A Huckabee win, would not change a thing government would continue to be run for special interests
#541. To: palo verde (#538)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#542. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#543. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#544. To: palo verde (#538)
#545. To: palo verde (#538)
no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras
#546. To: angle (#386)
(Edited)
#547. To: tom007 (#540)
I went to HS with Mike and he is (was?) a good guy person to person, but is a state loving authoritarian. If you like the way things have been going Mike's the man for you.
Mike seems like a very nice guy, but your post reinforces my impression,
nothing would change if he were Prez
He's an outsider who wants to be an insider
not Ron Paul, who wants to change gov. to serve citizens, not special interests
Love, Palo
#548. To: Ferret Mike (#546)
#549. To: buckeye, lodwick, critter, Peppa, Robin, ALL (#543)
(buckeye) I just watched Bill Moyers interviewing Ron Paul.
When you can watch streaming video of this, if it's uploaded, please do.
It was a great interview, one of the best!
Bill Moyers asked similar questions, and the focus was on media reform.
Of course the two leaders had different views; one collectivist, the other free market.
Sun has not yet risen in Tucson
I want to see the interview, I want to see both
Thank you very much for telling me about it
Mega thanks to Bill Moyers for doing it
Love, Palo
#550. To: lodwick (#541)
Have a lovely week-end my sweet friend
Love, Palo
#551. To: palo verde, Critter (#549)
#552. To: angle (#548)
How do you reconcile the erroneous "Paul = Republican Neo Con" to people in that circle?
#553. To: palo verde (#547)
He's an outsider who wants to be an insider
#554. To: tom007 (#553)
Good post!
Love, Palo
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