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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
URL Source: http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cs ... n2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Views: 14921
Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#20. To: Critter, robin, who knows what evil, lizza76, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, lodwick, christine, Zipporah (#0)
justin tv is on the air!
Thanks.
see #24, eh
Hey, I think it's starting. It's hard to tell, with the overtalking. But , maybe, nowwwwww GO!
pledge allegiance...
Liberty and Justice for all ... Bwahahahahahahahahaha !!!
Wow, what a great premise for a sitcom.
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
Yeah, but the real question is what is the year of the Pick-up on blocks in the front yard? Well?
mccain has the longest pro life voting record? WHAT?
He supports War. What about pro-life confuses you?/s
Pro-life in the womb ... after 18 anything goes !
Well, I'm not so sure.
McCain doesn't support the right to life for any Muslims or American kids over 18.
MSNBC is projecting Huckabee as the winner
I just hope RP gets 3rd
You guys watching the paper thingy's?
looks like a pretty muddled up system to me
It's what government healthcare would look like.
You wanna see what government health care would look like? Imagine going through the TSA screening at an airport...only more thuggish.
Free colonoscopy!
65% reporting - Benito back to 4%, Ron still at 10%
I think there might be more to what went on than we actually know at this point, but, it's been a nail biter. Idiot talking now... CONSERVATISM WORKS EACH TIME IT'S TRIED? BOT!!!!!!! Yeah, murder is the key componenet of both party policies.
The term "conservatism" today implies regimentation, order, hammering down every nail standing up, conformity, intolerance of individual thinking, and the state is your friend.
God willing we "Paleos" may soon be able to drop the loathsome prefix and put a true conservative face back on the Republican Party.
Whoever dreamed up the paleo/neo dichotomy ? In my mind there are conservatives and then there are faux-conservatives ( FOXconservatives ?? )
My friend Peppa is opening the bar. I just poured my second martini. But, I ain't celebrating. Fourth or fifth placings don't feed the the bulldog. For an eye opener, Google .... Ron Paul Campaign Manager. We have the best message but its being lost in fringe ideology. "Nice" and "healing" and "change" are winning tonight. We have the nicest and the best change candidate in the race but that is being submerged in ideological fringe non-issues.
I have indeed. We have the nicest and the best change candidate in the race but that is being submerged in ideological fringe non-issues. I'm convinced they could not take instructions on putting a nickel in the gum machine and turning the knob.
I take it "they" are American voters. With that attitude we will be losing elections far past my demise. The American people vote with their hearts and their pocketbooks. The typical voter is not a political junkie. He/she is wary of anger and quick fixes. Right now he/she is disatisfied and wants change. The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change. The majority of Americans are resistant to and fearful of radical change (i.e. quick fixes) otherwise we would have gone even further left during the Great Depression. I'm not suggesting that we should not have pushed for a "revolution", just that we should go hunting with a rifle and not a blunderbuss. The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election. The result, if we fail to regroup, will be losing on both counts.
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go.
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go. And it is a good thought, and one with which I agree. The point is not any particular dogma whether it is labeled "libertarian" or otherwise. The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints. Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. Whether someone is an Iowa Farmer or a City Slicker the point remains unchanged. Taking money from one person forcibly to give to another is still theft - whether one uses the government to do it or the old fashioned way at gun point. Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".
Iowans appear to be "dumbed down".
I think the observation that someone made (I forget who and too lazy to look) that a lot of Iowans still get most of their "Nooze and Infotainment" from the Lamestream Lying Dishonest Sons of Bitches in the controlled media is likely true. Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't. Thus we get the result we got - and with a little help from the "wonders" of technology.
What is the average Iowan IQ?
What is the average Iowan IQ? 1200 baud? /s
The Establishment's Voting Machines
Thanks TT. Damn. If all the people woke up at the same time and acknowledged this, would it make any difference?
www.iowagop.net/straw.poll.asp Iowa Straw Poll Results (Augusts 11, 2007) Mitt Romney Wins Iowa Straw Poll With attendance of 33,000 and votes cast by more than 14,000, Republican party officials called the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll a resounding success. No one was more pleased than Governor Mitt Romney who received 4,516 votes to win the Straw Poll. In second place Governor Mike Huckabee earned 2,587 votes and was followed by Senator Sam Brownback who received 2,192 ballots cast in his favor. In a close fourth, U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo received 1,961 votes. In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305. Governor Tommy Thompson finished in sixth place with 1,029 votes and was followed by seventh place finisher, and undeclared candidate, Fred Thompson who had 203 votes cast for him. Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 183 votes for eighth place followed by U.S. Representative Duncan Hunter in ninth place with 174 votes. Senator John McCain, in 10th position, got 101 votes. And finishing last with 41 votes was John Cox. "Reports of the demise of the Iowa Straw Poll were premature and proven false today," stated Ray Hoffmann, chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa. "Activists turned out in great numbers to support their candidates despite a heat index exceeding 100 degrees. The atmosphere here rivaled that of the State Fair." New voting procedures were in place at the Iowa Straw Poll which required presentation and validation of a photo ID along with a ticket. "Iowans proudly stepped up to meet our voting requirements," Chuck Laudner, executive director of the Republican Party of Iowa, remarked. "To see more than 14,000 purple thumbs on this campus was thrilling." With theses new voting procedures in place, party officials were confident all votes were cast by Iowans only. "Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs," Laudner explained. "Our process guaranteed the one person, one vote ideal was upheld. We believe photo identification should be required before any vote is cast in Iowa elections and today we proved the process was not only possible, it was effective and efficient." The Iowa Straw Poll continues a decades' long tradition of testing candidates' organizational strength, bringing likely caucus-goers together, and winnowing the field. In the 1999 caucus, 89,000 participated. Today's Straw Poll vote tally represents more than 15 percent of that total, the most representative sample of likely voters' opinions, Laudner concluded.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much. Isn't technology wonderful? You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka".
You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka". Absolutely. I believe ItisAlmostTooLate posted a video once of testimony taken in the Ohio debacle, where the programmer testified to the fact of such. It's an incredible video, and the judges were so shocked. (Ahem.) What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
In my heart, I'm with you here. I believe in and have seen some small miracles with respect to RP's campaign and the people supporting it. Then there is my mind. My nagging mind. Always incredulous why people still go to movies where the young girl goes in to check out a weird sound in an old abandoned house, after finding something dead on the porch. Or something like that. A part of this brain of mine says, the PTB are pushing the public into a corner to goad them into revolt. Then plans laid to deal with such can be put into action. If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I came to understand this sinister effect on TOS. People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements." They are fake. But they work. People still at TOS think they're the vast right wing conspiracy. How do the elites do this? Well how do they keep one of these splinters alive? The use fear, uncertainty, doubt, religious appeal, and heart-strings appeals. No doubt they have industrial psychologists advising Obama and Huckabee right now on this very ploy. People will actually vote for Huckabee because they are worried about immigration and he promises to do something about it. I am not kidding! Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
I think so. Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I hadn't heard this, but I had heard about Huck stealing RP's message. First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system. I can see where this is leading and it isn't going to be pretty. The fact that I too am a non-violent peaceful sort, doesn't mean I'm going to put my head between my knees and kiss my butt goodbye. I prefer a peaceful world and there is no harm in working as hard as possible to bring about change no matter how small, through it. We are used to practicing war. We are not used to practicing Peace. So we stick to what is familiar, yet creates the most carnage. There is a better way, but we must also work to learn how to get to levers that can create it. I know people will think that is an absolutely nutty position to take. But it hurts no one to try.
Yes, I agree. I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy. 1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. I don't know what else to do, but this should help.
1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. I don't know what else to do, but this should help. that was the other insight I had last week it is important what you say about Ron Paul's honesty I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
Of course it is! But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent. This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century.
People will only see it when they are ready to wake up.
(buckeye) Of course it is! (Peppa) People will only see it when they are ready to wake up. I agree with you Peppa
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it. I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream.
I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream. I agree with you Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why is that not a good idea? Love, Palo
It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world.
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world. no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras but of course the media loved it, it was so much fun as you pointed out, this (Ron Paul) is the story of the century but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now I will start to put my thinking cap on
#541. To: palo verde (#538)
Think hard out there - after the bras, what else is there to burn? Once the puppies are freed, is much else left tethered?
I have the answer, but it would take REAL men to carry out the plan.
I just watched Bill Moyers interviewing Ron Paul. When you can watch streaming video of this, if it's uploaded, please do. It was a great interview, one of the best! Ron Paul was followed by Dennis Kucinich. Bill Moyers asked similar questions, and the focus was on media reform. Of course the two leaders had different views; one collectivist, the other free market. I will start to put my thinking cap on You are a brilliant lady. I think you may come up with some excellent ideas. If they involve "happenings" akin to bra burnings, that would be funny.
I will start to put my thinking cap on You know that was stolen about 20 years ago.
What if Ron Paul burned his shorts?
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#39. To: Dakmar (#20)
justin tv is on the air!
#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#39)
#45. To: Dakmar (#43)
#46. To: Peppa (#45)
#48. To: Dakmar (#46)
#55. To: noone222 (#48)
#58. To: Dakmar (#55)
#86. To: robin, Peppa (#58)
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
#88. To: Original_Intent (#86)
#89. To: lizza76 (#88)
mccain has the longest pro life voting record? WHAT?
#93. To: Peppa (#89)
#110. To: noone222 (#93)
Pro-life in the womb ... after 18 anything goes !
#113. To: Peppa (#110)
#116. To: noone222 (#113)
#121. To: lizza76 (#116)
#123. To: noone222, all (#121)
#125. To: Peppa (#123)
#133. To: lizza76 (#125)
looks like a pretty muddled up system to me
#144. To: Peppa (#133)
It's what government healthcare would look like.
#155. To: orangedog (#144)
You wanna see what government health care would look like? Imagine going through the TSA screening at an airport...only more thuggish.
#164. To: Peppa, orangedog (#155)
#172. To: Dukie (#164)
65% reporting - Benito back to 4%, Ron still at 10%
#182. To: Peppa (#172)
CONSERVATISM
#201. To: Dukie (#182)
The term "conservatism" today implies regimentation, order, hammering down every nail standing up, conformity, intolerance of individual thinking, and the state is your friend.
#209. To: iconoclast (#201)
#236. To: Dukie (#209)
In my mind there are conservatives and then there are faux-conservatives ( FOXconservatives ?? )
#246. To: iconoclast (#236)
My friend Peppa is opening the bar.
#327. To: Peppa (#246)
I'm convinced they could not take instructions on putting a nickel in the gum machine and turning the knob.
#397. To: iconoclast (#327)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
#417. To: Peppa, iconoclast, TwentyTwelve, christine, FormerLurker, All (#397)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
"Life is tough; it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
#420. To: Original_Intent (#417)
Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".
#422. To: TwentyTwelve (#420)
#428. To: Original_Intent (#422)
Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't.
#433. To: TwentyTwelve (#428)
#436. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#433)
#437. To: TwentyTwelve (#436)
The Establishment's Voting Machines
#439. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#437)
#440. To: TwentyTwelve (#439)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#443. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#440)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#447. To: Original_Intent (#443)
Isn't technology wonderful?
#452. To: Peppa (#447)
What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
#453. To: Original_Intent (#452)
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
#500. To: Peppa, palo verde (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#503. To: buckeye (#500)
Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
#504. To: Peppa (#503)
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system.
2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
#514. To: buckeye, Peppa, Dakmar, lodwick, ALL (#504)
(buckeye) I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
you didn't buy my first insight that there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there
the second inisght is Ron Paul is the only candidate who cannot be bought off
this is crucial, because it is the one thing needed
I am going by my own experience on this
I was unwilling to be shown anything by anyone
I had to be willing to see it on my own
but once I was willing to see truth, it jumped out at me, it couldn't be missed
#517. To: palo verde (#514)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
#519. To: buckeye (#517)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything Of course it is!
#525. To: Peppa, buckeye, ALL (#519)
(Palo) I don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
The truth is always out there to be seen
if we put some other value ahead of truth, we will not see truth
IMHO
Love, Palo
#527. To: palo verde (#525)
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
#532. To: buckeye (#527)
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it.
the one thing needed now is for everyone to know who Ron Paul is
how to accomplish that I do not know
that is why I am on this thread
to hear others ideas
why not go for ads and infomercials
paid tv time
#534. To: palo verde (#532)
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time
#538. To: buckeye (#534)
women's lib did a lot of actions after that, but that was the most effective one
and they are deliberately not covering it
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#542. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#543. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#544. To: palo verde (#538)
#545. To: palo verde (#538)
no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras
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