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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
URL Source: http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cs ... n2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#1. To: Critter (#0)
http://www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/VoteTotals.aspx this site refreshes every few minutes...suppose to be live total results
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
The link I posted here is supposed to be the republican caucus coverage, but all I see are dems. lol The calls are mixed, so maybe when the festivities get under way, the video will be of the republican caucuses.
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listening to it right now...lots of Paul supporters have called in
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
I've heard 2 RP supporters, but then there was even a Hunter supporter.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! WooHoo! Party of 10 for RP on the way to vote in Iowa!
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Iowans a bunch of pork jockeys and sodbusters? WOW
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Pompous ass alert!!! He's ragging on Iowa, and he lives in Illinois..? Geez...
But it isn't personal.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Man, a lot of the folks on the video look like Freepers and Lepers. No wonder Huckabee and Romney are leading in the polls there.
didnt sound like it though! LOL
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
play.rbn.com/play.asx?url...sf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan2v.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx
I HEARD that!! LOL!! Geez. I'm going to have to look this up. Staring 6 mins late. She's saying it's OVERWHELMING, the line out the door.. Stand or sit on the floor!!!
Their support will fall off though. /s
Wonder what that means...deluded 'Christians' for Huckabee, or...
CNN just reported that entrance polls show Romney and Huckabee in lead! but I just caught that on the flash screen
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Did you see that elderly woman? She should not be out in that weather.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! All the "old farts" are making younger crowd at RP forums very nervous...
Hillary had 5000 drivers available for shuttling folks.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I couldn't see her I was up dealing with the door...but I heard her...didn't sound like someone that should be out...and it sounded like her first time...
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
justin tv is on the air!
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Holy shit! I think that's Jim Tafficant handing out the ballots! Looks like the same bad rug.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
oops, sorry, I guess not, got my feeds mixed.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
MSNBC is going live at 8 cst. They're talking about Ron Paul now, and his chance to finish third in both Iowa and NH, and perhaps win SC. I would watch this as opposed to CSPAN, frankly. Anyway, I am. Looks like Obama and Hucklebuck are going to win, though.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! LOL
Russert on MSNBC, just said he thinks that Ron Paul support MAY BE 'undersampled'. Could come in strong 4th. My translation 2nd.
http://www.justin.tv/ronpaulcolorado
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Hucklebuck is a one-hit wonder...he has very little money.
What a shame, I'm in McKinney's corner.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
It's funny, the bloggers are demanding they check her ID.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Mr. Potato head has been mewling '4th' all week...he can't stand Paul.
I don't knowwwwwwwww. Weird.
I once looked like a freeper or a leper, when I was one. hehehe
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
LOL Yeah I read that....guess they want everything precise I can understand that
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
It'll be a face off in the corner. They'll leave their foot on the gas.
Agreed. Plus, he's going to get creamed in NH, while Paul and the old man are going to do way better than expected. This is without doubt the most entertaining primary season ever.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Janson, independent, must reregister to participate. Bet he's and Rp supporter. hehehe
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No KIDDING! You know from last nite, when Paul and Thompson was reportedly pulling 9% each in Iowa, Paul pictured in 4th for the graphic...... suddenly this morning Thompson was at 11%. Gosh, what happened. ::::::::::::::can you hear my eyes rolling? :::::::::::::::::: Total media manipulation. We need to support our folks on the ground in Iowa. They may need to pull in forum/blog scrutiny at every level.
Thanks.
No thanks to Lou Dobbs I'm sure. I bet you are right. (I know better than to bet with you.) :)
Live report from Iowa, district 214 Dem caucus has 264 attendees versus 86 last time. If that is typical, Obama will win big, probably.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
keep reading, lol.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
see #24, eh
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Here we go!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Hey, I think it's starting. It's hard to tell, with the overtalking. But , maybe, nowwwwww GO!
pledge allegiance...
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Could come in strong 4th. My translation 2nd. Given that the MSM Presstitutes have been hawking the "Ron Paul doesn't exist" disinformation line they might even be running scared that he is actually going to win it. There may be so many supporters and observers present that they can't steal enough votes to give it Hucksterberry. However, 2nd sounds like a safe bet since they don't want Ron Paul to finish #1.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Liberty and Justice for all ... Bwahahahahahahahahaha !!!
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
From the looking at the CSPAN feed, it looks like the Carroll county republican caucus has huge turnout too.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
Oh yeah, this is Iowa.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! A Treat?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
IOWA IDOL !
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
I started an LP thread to get them talking.
perfect
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Wow, what a great premise for a sitcom.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
LMAO! I admire her courage, but she isn't too good. hehehe
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someones tone deaf granddaugther
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! That lo-fi feed is just shredding my speakers.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
She's killin me !!!
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Y'all are a bit too cynical.
lol - a little wavering
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! So what are you saying ... one family is responsible for the nomination ???
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Good one! But Iowa isn't like Arkansas, is it?
that made me hurt inside.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
She's finished now.
oh yes (I don't see that many young people - and I think she was too young to vote)
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! ROFL!
sounds familiar!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Now now.
What???
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The "CHAIR" is a reformed Dem = Neo-con He said the Party left him ... the DEMS haven't changed ???
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Frightening isn't it? I thought the bad weather might keep the geezers away...I mean I was hoping that the senior citizens would stay home where it was safe.
rofllllll they are passing the 'bag' now? What?
I stood up and put hand on heart.
What??? The musical act, they were described as a treat right before they started.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
early precinct results--huckabee, romney, thompson, mcCain, paul, guiliani
she supports Julie because they share clothes!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
"Radical Islam issues" Giuliani fearmongering.
He said the Party left him ... the DEMS haven't changed ??? Oh, but shouldn't that be "deformed"? Neocon = Trotskyite in a 3 Piece Suit.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm only buying happy looking paper plates from here on out.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
There may be so many supporters and observers present that they can't steal enough votes to give it Hucksterberry. However, 2nd sounds like a safe bet since they don't want Ron Paul to finish #1. I like your analysis of this. I'm now listening to some Ghouliani princess. She's nothing more than a bullet- point 'bag'. Non-thinker. :P I'm going to throw up Now thepandering to the troops.
Please get this Julie-Annie supporter out of here !!!
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Paul at 11 percent with 2 percent in.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
Before the civil war, most Americans knew that their allegiance was with their state, not the nation. Somehow we lost our way.
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Yeah, but the real question is what is the year of the Pick-up on blocks in the front yard? Well?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Holy Shit, Batman! Some heads must be exploding right now.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
mccain has the longest pro life voting record? WHAT?
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
He supports War. What about pro-life confuses you?/s
exactly
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
You people PERSIST at trying to educate me. :)
He said the Party left him ... Yep, familiar line - that's what the Kristol's and the Wolfowitz's and the Kagan's claimed, too. So these socialist chickenhawks have moved over to the GOP and ruined it so it hardly has an iota of conservative left in it. RP is the only hope for America and for the GOP returning to its c roots.
Pro-life in the womb ... after 18 anything goes !
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Ha!! Fishnets. All his.
Now this Romney asshole is talking about everything except Romney signing the gay marriage law into being !
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
this guy is supporting Thompson because of his kid....poor kid!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Exactly.
This guy should let his 2year old vote ...
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Taking names of potential subversives or terraists. Pep Lizzy
No Ron Paul speaker? WTF?
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I'm now listening to some Ghouliani princess. She's nothing more than a bullet- point 'bag'. Non-thinker. :P I'm going to throw up Now thepandering to the troops. Thanks. Is that the same Troops that aren't allowed to buy the best Body Armor, have night vision scopes that fog up in the desert, had to make their own Hum Vee armor, drink contaminated water, and eat unfit food served by no-bid cost plus contracted Bush Cronies? Those Troops? The ones whose benefits are being cut, are warehoused in dilapidated WWII Barracks when they come home wounded, live in roach infested quarters, and used as experimental animals for Big Pharma's "vaccines? Those Troops? The ones who are losing their homes, breathing Depleted Uranium Dust, and having their germ plasm contaminated by radiation and having deformed babies? Those Troops.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Good idea. You know, we COULD make a display with red licorice. We need to maintain a theme.
Haha, just look at MSNBC and their comment, "no way to look at this but as a rebuke to President Bush." My translation, "Bush is the biggest shithead that ever nuked our party, and these people are just crazy, but at least Hucklebuck hates Bush."
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Freddie's speaker must have flown in to Iowa to bring tidings from our Masters in Tel Aviv. Who the f**k cares about a "war torn" Israel?
Aww c'mon, God Bless the USA
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Not me ...
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Where's the Ron Paul Bag ???
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Well? You first. Guess the model.
Right. What makes for a really happy looking paper plate?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Well, I'm not so sure.
War torn my ass. A few firecrackers land in vacant lots and they start acting like they're going back to the camps. God, I hate Likudniks.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
He supports War. What about pro-life confuses you?/s Of course that trumps being an Obstetrician who has shepherded live babies into the world.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
McCain doesn't support the right to life for any Muslims or American kids over 18.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Pep Lizzy Hmm. Think so? I better get a pencil and paper.
Well? You first. Guess the model. Studebaker of course.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
MSNBC is projecting Huckabee as the winner
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
The ones whose benefits are being cut, are warehoused in dilapidated WWII Barracks when they come home wounded, live in roach infested quarters, and used as experimental animals for Big Pharma's "vaccines? Those Troops? The ones who are losing their homes, breathing Depleted Uranium Dust, and having their germ plasm contaminated by radiation and having deformed babies? Those Troops. Yes. But not a peep from the candy-dits.
Aww c'mon, God Bless the USA Sorry, I forgot myself. Time to go to the fridge for some Kool-Aid.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The chick in the green gets 2 votes !
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
It was your idea. I have to focus on the caucus. Dak, you have to delegate some things. You just can not carry this all yourself. :) And, you deserve a raise. I'll speak to HR.
I just hope RP gets 3rd
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”
You guys watching the paper thingy's?
These grits can't count to 4 ... what happens when they start counting ballots ??? (We'll be up all night waiting).
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
looks like a pretty muddled up system to me
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
everyone has long sleeves on and so easy to pocket when no one is looking
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
True. But it won't fly.
Maybe that guy from Illinois was on to something... :-(
None of them support, save Paul, support anything that goes against the depop agenda. But first, use up Americans as the world police.
I was thinking of a Willy's pickup. 1944.
These people seem confused.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Damn. CNN showing 40% reporting and Benito 11%, Ron 10%
It's what government healthcare would look like.
Thanks for that. Paul did very well and I give King credit for not interrupting like the other talking heads.
LOL! Pork pounders and sod busters? One two three four. One two three four. We have our counting down pat. I'm not worried yet.
LOL! Wait, here comes more instructions.
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%. The polls said 10%. The polls are not indicative of RP's support at all. If the polls "nailed" it, then there is cheating going on, big time.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
Oh! Shaking fist at TV.
The polls said 10%. The polls are not indicative of RP's support at all. If the polls "nailed" it, then there is cheating going on, big time. You are RIGHT. There is no way this is correct.
90% of RP's support is not polled.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
They are Iowans.
The polls said 10%. The polls are not indicative of RP's support at all. If the polls "nailed" it, then there is cheating going on, big time. Come now. The Polls, that leave Ron Paul out, are always right. So, ergo if the vote tallies differ from the Polls of course the tallies have to be "adjusted" to be in line with the Polls. See, makes perfect sense. Not that I'm cynical mind you.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
RP should me much higher than 10%.
You wanna see what government health care would look like? Imagine going through the TSA screening at an airport...only more thuggish.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Their total was 23 votes wasn't it?
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Hey critter, are the pubs usiing paper or are they using the Diebold "riggs" ?
These people seem confused. They are Iowans. Iowans are cornfused.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Well the caucaussers just screwed up bigtime
Wonder if passport applications will spike up tomorrow???
21, but it's still early.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Well, they have the procto exam procedure down pat already, huh ?
Speachless.
Is the guy on the phone hard of hearing or do they have a bad connection?
Who is worse? Iowans or Floridians?
Free colonoscopy!
http://www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/VoteTotals.aspx this is reporting RP having 124
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Nothing is free.
Iowans or Floridians? It's too early to say. Iowans.
That's their version of "turn your head and cough" I guess.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Kind of like "free drinks" in Vegas eh?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
this is reporting RP having 124 That would only be 7.3%.
Have populated areas like Des Moines and Davenport reported in yet? Maybe there are smart Iowans living there...
True enough.
65% reporting - Benito back to 4%, Ron still at 10%
I'll take the watered down drinks.
That's their version of "turn your head and cough" I guess. Rudy's favorite part of the exam.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I can't decide of guiliani reminds me more of the Penguin or Gargamel from the Smurfs cartoons.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I'll take the watered down drinks. And the bet on "OO". Better odds that with Goobermunt Hellthcare.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Remember now, Julie-Annie dresses up in drag.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229206/ Mike Huckabee 14,045 31% 0 Mitt Romney 10,084 23% 0 Fred Thompson 5,950 13% 0 John McCain 5,194 12% 0 Rudy Giuliani 4,901 11% 0 Ron Paul 4,379 10% 0 Duncan Hunter 168 0% 0
I take it you're a fan of oxymorons?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think there might be more to what went on than we actually know at this point, but, it's been a nail biter. Idiot talking now... CONSERVATISM WORKS EACH TIME IT'S TRIED? BOT!!!!!!! Yeah, murder is the key componenet of both party policies.
He's in sixth now, but look at how there's no clear third place winner so far. And the larger counties that have a larger percentage of Paul supporters have not been counted.
For him to be the Penguin he should ditch the glasses & go for a monocle. But then he'd look more like Col. Klink.... but il Rude isn't funny.
they are reporting different numbers from the caucus.
Yeah...old classics like 'postal service' and 'military intelligence' spring to mind...
Remember now, Julie-Annie dresses up in drag. Now we know his dream job too: Mayor of San Francisco.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Posted at LP: Also, I just noticed on CNN that they're showing a blank on their pie chart where Paul should be. More precincts have reported and all of the previously top four candidates numbers have shrunk. The blank portion of the pie chart has grown quite a bit, but THEY'RE STILL NOT SHOWING who's in the blank part of the pie chart. Most of that vote is for Ron Paul. Like I said, the night is still young. We all knew that Huckster and Joseph Smith would be first and second. It's still show time for third place.
I'll open up the bar
Sort of like Rush Limbaugh conservative.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Posted at LP: New Results as per CNN: Huckabee 25,510 34% Romney 18,668 25% Thompson 10,308 14% McCain 9,891 13% Paul 7,674 10% Giuliani 2,708 4% Hunter 324 0% 65% reporting
The term "conservatism" today implies regimentation, order, hammering down every nail standing up, conformity, intolerance of individual thinking, and the state is your friend.
The question is are the remaining districts hand counted or Diebold?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
He may dress the part but his thinking is definitely at odds with golden gaters.
Hey, they must be partying like it's Rapture 08
McCain and Thompson are ahead of RP???? Sheesh! Iowa must have some eeevil substances in its drinking water.
Fascism. Corporatism Global rule. Yes exactly Dukie!
Fear Huck and Chuck!!!! "There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Posted at LP: People who think Thompson will quit are wrong. Quitting based on Iowa makes no sense. Paultards are saying this because Fred is the candidate they fear. It's more delusional nonsense like the rest of Paultardism.
Dozens an dozens of democrats registering as republicans so they can vote? Sweet!
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Did you hear that series of 3-4 Ron Paul supporters on the GOP CSPAN hotline? It was incredible to hear all those young voices talking about freedom. They are the future.
Just off the phone with my rightwing bro, who is rooting for Obama. We are two happy people. Just get ready for our first black president. He will win the Dem primary and McCain will win the Rep one, and Obama will just KILL in the national election. Unless a pro-Iraq War guy is going to get the voters all hot and sweaty.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
People who think Thompson will quit are wrong. Quitting based on Iowa makes no sense. Paultards are saying this because Fred is the candidate they fear. It's more delusional nonsense like the rest of Paultardism. Yeah, sure. We fear Nau sucking Thompson. Pee-Tards.
Obama won't commit to leaving Iraq by 2013. Said so in the debates.
CNN say 72% in now. 14% - 10% for 3 thru 5.
It is fantastic!
Dak, I'm not a party person. If they're doing what they need to vote for Ron Paul, great. Otherwise, I've not a shred of interest in anyones affiliation. edited because I didn't proof read b4 posting
Its not over yet
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Clinton and Obama about to speak on MSNBC. Let me sum up Clinton's speech. "This is just one setback in a long campaign. Stupid young women seem to think that voting for a nigger instead of a woman is some big deal. Stupid sluts. Goddam stupid sluts."
Honi soit qui mal y pense
I'm so grateful for their energy and optimism. I know they will eventually prevail. Young people reading this: DO NOT GIVE UP. We'll be supporting you as you get older, and move into leadership positions. Make us proud.
God willing we "Paleos" may soon be able to drop the loathsome prefix and put a true conservative face back on the Republican Party.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Progress...For The Future! What kind of monster could possibly oppose such a sweet vision for the future?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I'm so grateful for their energy and optimism. I know they will eventually prevail. Young people reading this: DO NOT GIVE UP. We'll be supporting you as you get older, and move into leadership positions. Make us proud. The Ron Paul message is getting out!
I have little doubt that the next occupant of the White House will be a Democrat.
Obama fantasizing himself as Rick James: "There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
What you say, bitch?
Honi soit qui mal y pense
From another perspective, it's good to see the Iowa electoral process unfolding. The Iowans we're hearing on CSPAN: 165k expected, 185k actually came out to vote. People really care about this election. No matter what happens, I want to see the democratic process WORK.
swahili?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Whoever dreamed up the paleo/neo dichotomy ? In my mind there are conservatives and then there are faux-conservatives ( FOXconservatives ?? )
I will. :)
God is always good!
I just heard 205K.
Yoda (Huckabee's campaign manager) just showed his spherical head on CSPAN.
Werner Klemperer could get laughs playing a nazi. Rude is more like a latter day Corporal Klinger with an S&M fetish. Two totally different levels of "funny"
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Thanks! A lot of gray hairs are expecting it of you.
Looks like 220 K showed up vs 125 K last time in the Dem caucus. Republicans were up too, but not by much. Not a good sign for Repukes.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Rollins once worked for Reagan too.
I still say FOUL!!!!
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
He has a vision of change! No stopping progress. CFR wins! Now, can we pass out the shovels for graves?
Or anyone in the world. Is there a place to buy tickets for another planet?
I guess his Law & Order fans came out for Sleepy Thompson ( AKA "The Creature From the Black Lagoon" )
I stole this from FR: IOWA= Idiots Out Walking Around. Sorry, but I find that pretty funny.
Huckabee Takes Iowa; Romney in 2nd
The late Dr. Gerard O'Neill, visionary from Princeton, had a pretty good plan. Just search his name.
Sorry, a typo. posted before proofing. My apologies.
Belize is nice. You can look around some more at this site .
It works!
Travelvelocity.com. I am going to Australia and Fiji January 29 and don't think I will be silent about it . I announce my intent to be a boorish pest. So get ready for it. Signed Boorish Pest.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm still listening to C-Span coverage linked at top of this thread. Your english is fine, I was lampooning the establishment politics of one commentator.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I bet that was written a week ago.
Just point me to the bus stop. ;)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
See below:
FORMER I bet that was written a week ago. Or a month ago.
My mistake, thanks.
Thanks WKWE! Sounds like I'll need to trade in my mukluks. I've lived overseas before, and didn't like it. Any connections for inter planetary travel for 14 bucks? ;)
My friend Peppa is opening the bar. I just poured my second martini. But, I ain't celebrating. Fourth or fifth placings don't feed the the bulldog. For an eye opener, Google .... Ron Paul Campaign Manager. We have the best message but its being lost in fringe ideology. "Nice" and "healing" and "change" are winning tonight. We have the nicest and the best change candidate in the race but that is being submerged in ideological fringe non-issues.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
I announce my intent to be a boorish pest. Don't forget about us when you leave. Boorish pest chat sounds like a winner!
Still, I beat myself with the proof reading stick. Go on, have your fun with CSpan. LOL!
I can handle living overseas...I lived in Hawa'ii for a bit.
Agreed. Pork packers and sod busters, rule the world I guess.
LOL!
Eeeyeaahp. Just trying to get the accent right.
More b.s.
Well, this has been a real drag. If you need me any more tonight, I'll be over here cleaning my guns...
FORMER I have indeed. We have the nicest and the best change candidate in the race but that is being submerged in ideological fringe non-issues. I'm convinced they could not take instructions on putting a nickel in the gum machine and turning the knob.
Agreed. Pork packers and sod busters, rule the world I guess. What about the Fudge Packers?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Long way to November.
"Tonight we proved that American politics is in the hands of ordinary folks like you."
I should probably do the same. I wasn't planning on doing this tonight.
That's not overseas! That's a corporation of 'Is'-lANDS. De' Plane De' Plane!
Do you minnnnnd? I just got done eating.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
It helps to be involved with the CFR.
Did Larry Craig move there?
I hope you don't mind if I didn't listen. I'm having a mood. LOL! :)
Huckster is pathetic.
G. K. Chesterton quote: "The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
I'm sorry Critter. If you want happy talk, we can try the financial threads! ;)
What are the results? Anyone?
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
That's not overseas! That's a corporation of 'Is'-lANDS. De' Plane De' Plane! I lived in Japan for 4 years. I love the place, but it is toooooooooo crowded. Rush Hour in most U.S. Cities is the slow time in Japan. Watch 1,000 people cross a busy intersection in downtown Tokyo - on Saturday. I never did get to go fishing for Cherry Salmon though. Darn!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
We must have a good showing in NH.
Did Larry Craig move there? "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Call it divine intervention, or ESP or whatever, but for some odd reason, I found myself cleaning up my reloading bench earlier this evening. Maybe it's time to finish up those 69gr .223 rounds I started a couple of months ago. They are going to be awesome. All Lake City brass from the same lot. All weighed and sorted into boxes of 20 by weight. All resized and trimmed with cleaned primer pockets and deburred flash holes. I get a woodie thinking about it.
FORMER OK by me. Have heart. We don't know what's going to happen next. That leaves room for a lot of hope, one way or another.
As are the rest of the Dwarves. Ron Paul is the only Statesman in the field.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Can we just talk dirty for a while? That always makes me fee better.
FORMER Rush Hour in most U.S. Cities is the slow time in Japan. Watch 1,000 people cross a busy intersection in downtown Tokyo - on Saturday. I never did get to go fishing for Cherry Salmon though. Darn! We just tried to avoid the giant rats, weird tree bugs, junebugs the size of your fist, cockroaches (that could steal your grocery cart), lizards, iguanas, locals with machete's and the best side of the Island where there was always a mating season, and man o wars. It was Fun by another name.
Hahahah! Love that!
I bet that was written a week ago. C'mon Hon. Nobody gave Huckabee a snowball's chance a week ago.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Quite true. Never never Never give up. But can I still have my mood?
;) Gold closed at 864.599
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Sure thing, Peppa. Shows you care.
I took a ship from San Francisco to Hawa'ii, and returned a year later on a plane. Both had windows. It was DEFINITELY overseas.
See, you can still laugh. Where there is humor there is hope.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm happy to see silver up to $15.40 myself.
FORMER It was Fun by another name. I hesitate to ask what the name is.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Huckabee 35,342 34% Romney 26,067 25% Thompson 13,805 13% McCain 13,509 13% Paul 10,006 10% Giuliani 3,576 4% Hunter 454 1% 85% reporting
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Nobody gave Huckabee a snowball's chance a week ago. Then TwentyTwelve was right. It was written a month ago!!
New Hampshire is worth ten Iowas.
I'm with you: 10% is good tonight, I think. And the message is resonating...
Speaking of which...district manager for a large pharmacy chain told me that the company was so worried about 2008 that they didn't run any clearance sales on Christmas items last week; like they normally would. Why? They are holding them in inventory instead to sell next November; to save on shipping and inventory costs. Sucks if your job is manufacturing and shipping Christmas decorations...I'm sure they are NOT the only ones thinking like this...
If that is the criterion, I visit long island by ferry from Bridgeport, CT once in a while...
FORMER Iowa was open to manipulation. New Hampshire is not.
10% is great...considering....think what it will be when Thompson drops or dies!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
Florida? That's not overseas, either.
You! These I-dunn-O-wans, have done quite enough dirty talk for me for the night.
102,000 approx voters. Paul 10%. Not bad.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
Mmmmmmmmm. Now thats good news!
McCain and Thompson should be battling over a checker board in a nursing home somewhere instead of participating in a presidential primary.
We have only days to work it.
Doofus Thompson reminds me of the man that cannot find his way to the mens room by himself.
Pep... New Hampshire is the man in the booth all by himself.
Nobody gave Huckabee a snowball's chance a week ago. Then TwentyTwelve was right. It was written a month ago!! More than likely. No one else could be convincingly promoted to winner in Iowa as it is a Bible Belt State. Certainly not Ghouliani. None of the others really. Romney? A Mormon in Southern Baptist territory? I don't think so. Not even if he gave away his holy underwear. CFRed was a loser except with the 'bots. No, I am sure there were some major shenanigans with the vote. It will be interesting to see what the Poll Watchers and Vote Canvassers have to report in the morning. I am sure there will be indications of widespread fraud, but the people controlling the enforcement arm are part of the fraud operation, and the Lamestream Media will go 24/7 saying "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, etc., ...
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hey hey, none of that talk. And another thing...so what Paul isn't in the NH debates. The debates are rigged so he gets what 15 seconds to explain his position? Fugg Faux. We'll have a better time discussing Paul's platform right here.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
Paul's post-caucus (sigh) speech was pretty inspirational...
They should be in the "Old Fools Home'...
New Hampshire is the man in the booth all by himself. Pee Wee Herman?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hmm. I'm set for Christmas decorations for 300 years. I see a business opportunity here. I also have a tub of lights. Gold!!!!
Mmmmmmmmm. Now thats good news! Yes, it is. My modest inheritance, mostly quality Jewelry from my collector Mother, has more than tripled in value.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Show you the value of Iowas caucus, Giuliani received votes and did not even show up, because he knows Iowa is not that important, but still some dummies voted for him.
Is it fair to say that the media "chatter" was nervous anyway?
Nope.
Thanks, Cynicom. This is going to be a very long campaign.
New Hampshire is the man in the booth all by himself. If it's electronic, there are 'others' involved. But I completely understand the differentiation from I-dunno-wa.
I could almost bet money that he has Parkinson's!!!!!!! Watched him a few times this week and he was shaking all over!!!
Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!
If that is the criterion, I visit long island by ferry from Bridgeport, CT once in a while... I used to ride the Ferry from Seattle to Bremerton does that count too?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Paul himself was not optimistic on Iowa. Take a reasonable showing and go with it. New Hampshire will go a long ways to setting Pauls future effort.
I'll put the coffee on.
Puget Sound? Puh-leeze.
Is it fair to say that the media "chatter" was nervous anyway? I would say yes. I would also bet, based on their nervous reactions, that their internal polling showed much more than ten percent.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Angle, you are right. We need a Primary win to get him on the ballot. We have a lot of work to do.
Is that a no? hehehe
FORMER Paul actually WON Jefferson County (the smart Iowans, apparently); but the totals haven't been tallied yet. (It was around 400...won't help him catch McCain/Thompson, but might boot him to 11%.) A couple of other counties out that way missing, as well.
!!!!! Not that kind of booth. LOL!
I fully intend to be the first Freedom4um to post from Fiji, and maybe Australia. I'll be spending just a few hours at Nadi (Fiji) on the way in to Brisbane the Gold Coast, but on the out bound trip I'll have six nights in Fiji. About a one month trip. From what my research indicates, freedom4um needs to buy a few acres of land in Fiji and set up a freedom colony. Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony. I will post my experiences from the other hemisphere, I do have alot of family that I have treated very well in the US when they have visited, so I think I will be treated nicely.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I like mine Black - and strong enough to corrode a spoon.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Excellent! Now, if you guys can just pimp the price of Bradford Collectors plates, I'll be a hundred-aire. ;)
!!!!! Not that kind of booth. LOL! Thank you. Somebody finally caught it. I was beginning to lose hope.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'd like to nominate 4ums other rodent for the job.
FORMER Have a wonderful experience.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
Cyni, I have to think about this whole caucus thing. It absolutely makes no sense and never did, but it exists. I am thinking that Iowa is not really a state of 'our' union. There has to be an actual REASON, why such a goofy charade, exists. Maybe they are a colony of DC? Strange, but onward.
;) "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
One should remember that Bush has a 70 PER CENT approval rating in Iowa...that is WAY out of sync with the rest (normal) part of the country. For Paul to finish just 2% out of THIRD in a state like that is actually quite the accomplishment!
New Hampshire will go a long ways to setting Pauls future effort. I thought he would truly rattle the house in Iowa. I didn't realize it was a nut-house. But he showed up, as did our wonderful young 'Vacation in Iowa' kids, and God Bless them, they tried. I'm not comfortable painting Iowans or any state with a broad brush. But, a bat would be fine.
I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies. What we're seeing here could be a reaction to that.
Yesssssss. LOL!
I take it "they" are American voters. With that attitude we will be losing elections far past my demise. The American people vote with their hearts and their pocketbooks. The typical voter is not a political junkie. He/she is wary of anger and quick fixes. Right now he/she is disatisfied and wants change. The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change. The majority of Americans are resistant to and fearful of radical change (i.e. quick fixes) otherwise we would have gone even further left during the Great Depression. I'm not suggesting that we should not have pushed for a "revolution", just that we should go hunting with a rifle and not a blunderbuss. The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election. The result, if we fail to regroup, will be losing on both counts.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Thanks angle, I don't really like flying, But Australia...
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Good Lord. They must have the internet(s). 11% is better than 10%. I studied up on that./s ;) This is all good news WKWE.. Thanks!!!
Ron Paul got punked. For all the money the dumbass Paultards gave him that they should have been applying to trailer payments, he couldn't do shit. This was his best opportunity -- drag the losers who don't have anything better to do out to polls to vote for Dr. Islam in a caucas. Paul is a loser and the Paultards are losers.
It's a fauxcus fer COL. Not to be associated with an actual primary where one can vote privately... Gotta admire those brave Iowans who stood for Paul inspite of the pressure surrounding them to do otherwise. Imagine the credibility of a such process in a precinct where teamsters rule. "uhmmm, you wanna think about that? Maybe you wanna rethink ya choice der eh bro?" Here it looks like the evangicals were orchestrating the fauxcus.
I am finding that Marion Berry Cobbler and French Vanilla Ice Cream is a good comfort food for tonight.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony. I was so 'in' until the Yertle Turtle part. ;) I don't particularly think I'm ready for 'grocery cart chic', Can we vote on this later? hehehe. Seriously, I wish you safe travel and many blessings on your journey!
Go back to your cave punk.
Precisely. A good campaign would have anticipated the issue and would have had an honest but nuanced reply at the ready. A campaign is not a Political Science lecture.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Stupid fucks.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Eat shit and die. This says nothing about Paul. It says a lot about the intelligence of the American dumbass voter.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx That would be a regular. Fine. I offer raw sugar, cinnamon, and cream. No replacement spoons. ;) LOLOL! There is a mail order Dental plan.
Ha-ha!
Stupid fucks.
Precisely. A good campaign would have anticipated the issue and would have had an honest but nuanced reply at the ready. A campaign is not a Political Science lecture. A good response could have been something along the lines of: "It is not the Federal Government's job to tell Farmers what crops to grow, and that is exactly what a subsidy does - it locks farmers into raising those crops which attract the highest subsidies out of someone else's pocket. It is unfair to the farmer and to the person whose pocket is being picked for the subsidy, and it is NOT one of the Federal Government's Constitutionally defined duties. I do favor lower taxes which do not penalize farmers for being successful."
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The Bradford Exchange Too funny.
That's fine - too many spoons and it starts taking on a metallic taste anyway.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No one else could be convincingly promoted to winner in Iowa as it is a Bible Belt State. Nonsense. Back to Geography 101 for you. I am sure there were some major shenanigans with the vote. Utter nonsense. I'll bet the coach didn't like you either. Grow up. It will be interesting to see what the Poll Watchers and Vote Canvassers have to report in the morning. I am sure there will be indications of widespread fraud, but the people controlling the enforcement arm are part of the fraud operation, and the Lamestream Media will go 24/7 saying "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, etc., ... Sleep tight tonight .... but don't forget to check under your bed.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
FORMER Wead Predicted: Huckabee's Iowa Win, But Now Losses Ahead
The Bible Belt is not limited to the Confederacy. And the Coach lovvvvvvvvved me. I am a killer Pass Rusher. Not quite as good against the run, but good enough to keep the other team honest. And I scored a Touchdown once playing Center - the ball was tipped and I recovered it in the End Zone by sliding in on my back and trapping it against my chest.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
With that attitude we will be losing elections far past my demise. The American people vote with their hearts and their pocketbooks. The typical voter is not a political junkie. He/she is wary of anger and quick fixes. Right now he/she is disatisfied and wants change. The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change. The majority of Americans are resistant to and fearful of radical change (i.e. quick fixes) otherwise we would have gone even further left during the Great Depression. I'm not suggesting that we should not have pushed for a "revolution", just that we should go hunting with a rifle and not a blunderbuss. The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election. The result, if we fail to regroup, will be losing on both counts. Icon, I may have mentioned I was in a 'mood'. I didn't mean to offend or discourage anyone. Just a little reactionary personal hissy fit. It does not take away my resolve to do all that I can. You make some excellent points though. !!!! I don't agree with you on one of them right now, but, it's food for thought, and I will give it that. We won't fail to regroup. I think all of this discussion makes us all stronger. Afterall, we are in this together. Good night I, and everybody!
That usually shuts him up. lol
FORMER "It is not the Federal Government's job to tell Farmers what crops to grow, and that is exactly what a subsidy does - it locks farmers into raising those crops which attract the highest subsidies out of someone else's pocket. It is unfair to the farmer and to the person whose pocket is being picked for the subsidy, and it is NOT one of the Federal Government's Constitutionally defined duties. I do favor lower taxes which do not penalize farmers for being successful." You're a great "straight man". That's sounds right out of Ron's (political science) play book. Try this one on for size for a "contendah": "I do not believe corn based ethanol is a good economic answer to the energy crisis (big Huckabee smile) but if I were your Congressman, I would most certainly forward your wishes to the floor in the form of a bill. (Another big Huckabee smile).
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Good job.
Good night, dear heart. It's late and I have to get up early. But, as I so often say, such is the life of us political junkies.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. There is a difference between a political answer and an honest answer. Ron Paul is what he is, and I am what I am. The reason I like him, and was a supporter long before this campaign was even hinted at, is that willingness to stand on principle and tell it the way it is. Farm subsidies are not a favor to the farmer. It is nothing more than welfare farming. That suckers can't, or don't, get it is why they are suckers and will remain chattels. As long as you play to their ignorance they will remain ignorant. Of course one can't put is so bluntly, but you can only go so far and remain true to your principles.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Drop the campaign a line and ask if you can help with a few suggestions.
laughing....
I bombed tonight, big time. I am disgraced. :( Dumb corn growing, cow molesting Iowan dimwits...
FORMER The Bible Belt is not limited to the Confederacy. This is a decidedly Christian nation. All vote seekers need to keep that in mind. Having said that, I further assert that your placement of Iowa in the Bible belt is a first for me. And the Coach lovvvvvvvvved me. I am a killer Pass Rusher. Not quite as good against the run, but good enough to keep the other team honest. And I scored a Touchdown once playing Center - the ball was tipped and I recovered it in the End Zone by sliding in on my back and trapping it against my chest. Ah, memories! ;-) They can't take those away from us.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
I thought that was what I was doing.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
never underestimate the power of the votescam. when do we start shooting the bastards. that's what i want to know.
There's the suggestion that they actually do: Mind Control, MK ULTRA and A Course in Miracles (Oprah's 'christian' course she will be preaching about). Link goes to: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6974
Let's get started! We can go out like Bonnie and Clyde. hehehe
FORMER meet me in DC? ;)
You just defined the Ron Paul Revolution. I'm a burned-out Republican tired of being lied to by a GOP that is going to hell two steps behind the Demonrats.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Oops, buckeye, I read your post too quickly. By golly, maybe I will.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Try going straight to www.ronpaul2008.com and using their contact form: www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form
I'm really glad to see Hitlery get pwned by Obama and Edwards. I wonder if she's throwing ash trays at her campaign staff?? ;-)
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Make sure to be clear that there is: 1. A lesson to be learned (from the corn incident).
I likes it. Yessirrrrrrrrrrreeee!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm trying to draw the distinction between a schoolmarm approach and an honest but non hectoring approach. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down ... Mary Poppins. I don't disagree with you on principles OI, but what good did preaching to the choir ever do?
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
"Remember when families were small farmers? We can do that again with your help."
OK, first I have to find a 1934 Ford to use for the getaway.
FORMER I share your pain but I yearn for maximum impact.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
They can't take those away from us. No. I can still see it in my minds eye - it was like everything was in slow motion - the Receiver and the Back went up fighting for the ball and it got tipped up, I was free from my block, and I don't know to this day how fast I moved through those ten yards to the End Zone but I did, but I could also see that I could not catch it before it hit the ground and that the only way was to get under it. The next thing you know there I am on my back under the ball and clutching it in to my chest. It is not something I'll ever forget - it is not everyday that the Center turns into a Receiver and scores a Touchdown. Pefectly legal too - once the ball was tipped by a defensive player it was a live ball - and my actions were as legal as Church on Sunday in the Bible Belt.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Point granted, and you are most correct - in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn. I think buckeye has a point too - in that you could phrase eliminating subsidies as a positive - which I was trying to do. I know though, realistically, that eliminating farm subsidies in the "Farm Belt" is about as popular as a Skunk at a Square Dance. However, all the subsidies do is reward farmers for an inefficient use of their time and land. I know farmers do not like to change crops, but if over production exists then, failing subsidies, they are forced to learn a new crop - or more than one.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You must have read "How To Win Friends And Influence People" by Dale Carnegie, a classic to this day in people skills.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Truthfully - I learned it from a friend, but experience has taught me that it is true.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Banned Commercial - Bill Clinton Voodoo doll I don't know if she is, but I with someone had a voodoo doll of her like Bill's in the above commercial.
That is hillarious!
This website reports a total of only 15,822 votes for the entire state of Iowa. Did they lose the other 200,000 or so votes that were predicted by the "huge voter turnout" that was reported?
Sweet!
I second 'entertaining', as in 'inconsequencial'.
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Hee Hee. Great memory! I've got a few I'll try to share with you one of these days. Some exciting (a few, embarrassing). ;-)
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
So much for the 'RP enthuzed supporters' hijacking the GOP. 2 lessons to learn so far: - the pro-war, pro-torture, pro-big gov't party will NOT nominated the anti-all-of-the-above candidate. Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Just the person from whom I want input. Whom do you favor in the upcoming elections and why?
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
I can only recollect one popular authoritarian. The one in an old story involving a cowboy brothel and the most favored "lady".
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Some say USDA's insurance break for Monsanto customers unfair "He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
The polls said 10%. The polls are not indicative of RP's support at all. If the polls "nailed" it, then there is cheating going on, big time. You are RIGHT. There is no way this is correct. Funny, funny, funny, funny, funny. Like I said before, reality is here now and it is now biting your ass. Run!!!! Hide!!!!! Breaking news: THE PRO-WAR (pro-Bush, etc.) PARTY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE ANTI-WAR (anti-Bush, etc.) CANDIDATE. FRAUD ALLEGED. Sorry, couldn't resist it. I promise to try hard not to further rub your nose in in.
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Vast... You seem to delight in your sideline activities, somewhat akin to a child that is not able to compete.
Compete? :))) What is the 'RP as a GOP' strategy for winning the US presidency again? I'm listening. And, don't forget. The NH primary is coming in 4 days. The Zogby poll has RP at 7% among the GOPs. Do you expect RP to win the NH GOP primary?
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vast... You openly display that you are a freerider and a sideliner.
Vast seems to be a man without a country. He is anti everything it seems.
Tag Line For Rent
Okay, fine. Sorry for interrupting the rain dance. The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
ROFL!
How was what opportunity wasted?
Tag Line For Rent
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go.
Wasted??? Baying on the sidelines is very immature especially when you offer nothing. Lets see just how politically astute you really are. Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon.
Run!!!! Hide!!!!! If all indy's have your touch of class, I may not ever vote for one. Please feel free to continue acting like an ass.
This is so funny because I actually heard these very words when I was about 18 or 19 years old. They were uttered by a Communist activist. The context was myself and a bunch of my fellow students no longer being afraid by the implied threats and behaving as normal people in all circumstances, no matter what. Being anti all the BS that one was exposed to in a Commie universe came with that and doing so produced a lot of consternation and hatred. By the way, my first 'arrest' happened at the age of 7, for spitting on the black limo of a Commie official - my first 'anti-everything' public act. Back to the topic. I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination. Is he going to win NH? SC? FL? CA? NY? PA? Does anyone have an estimated GOP delegates count, showing how RP wins the GOP nomination?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
That one is too funny, thanks.
So you're a GOP-bot but not a Bushbot. I am not surprised.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I already stated that the only (small) chance RP has to win the US presidency is by seeking the vote of the people, not that of the GOPs. If RP ran as in Indie, a 34% of the vote could have won him the presidency, in the context of Rudy/Hillary as his other 2 opponents. As a GOP, RP will get nothing and all this effort is going to be nothing but a waste. By the way, the Ronbots have been very effective at trivializing his ideas too. Lately, all they talk about is the millions the RP campaign raised instead of having a thoughtful discussion of the GOP and Demo ideologies and contrast them with RP's views.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Tell me just what may be the effort and or consequence post a Paul failure. No one liners please, lets see your depth of thinking. Just maybe we have a common ground. Up to you to look over the horizon. Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure... Please address that.
Other than his failing to win any and all the GOP primaries/caucuses and having his message trivialized to 'count the millions'? Hmmm... can't think of any. I remember how Buchanan's message got trivialized, back in 2000, as his campaign spent all its energy fighting over control of Ross Perot's $60 million Reform Party booty. See how often these opportunities come? 8 years is a very long time in a mortal's life. The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory. I just read a book about the 1912 election. Obviously, Teddy Roosevelt did not regain the presidency in that election. But a great many of the things he and the Progressives had put in their platform that year were enacted in the next few years by Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic Congress.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Wasted???? It appears you have given zero thinking concerning a post Paul failure. There are many avenues to explore and it would be interesting to read what you see.
Associated Press - January 4, 2008 12:04 AM ET DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republican Ron Paul says his run for the White House is just beginning, despite a fifth-place finish in the Iowa caucuses. The Texas congressman spoke to a boisterous crowd tonight that chanted "Live free or die" and "Ron Paul." He answered the chants by saying -- "I am more encouraged than ever before." Paul says he is encouraged he placed ahead of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Paul, a 10-term member of Congress, has waged an unusual campaign that matched his libertarian views with events involving a blimp and the re-enactment of the Boston Tea Party. Paul opposes the Iraq war, opposes the federal income tax and urges Americans to push for a fiscally responsible government. Sound like he's just getting started.
"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything." - Josef Stalin
You are exactly right. RP's lone voice was relatively unknown to the public. He has left us a guidebook to move forward no matter what happens. The world loves him too, and I would say, nothing has been wasted in spreading RP's message. I hope he continues to lead us all. The message is so feared, the media blacks him out. Little fires are burning across the land. He is the most inspiring candidate I have ever seen.
Ari... Good to see someone is thinking beyond tomorrow. Ron Paul win lose or draw is in a position to influence the future course of this country. Ross Perot walked away from 20 million Americans that were hungry for change.
It's so funny. Just as I thought. Now that reality is pinching you, instead of waking up to it, you change the 'win' discussion is not shifting to the 'education' thing. It's like those guys who buy the Penthouse for the nice interviews. Shouldn't you get back to your older threads and recall what the talk there was about? By the way, if the education thing is what matters, why 75% of the RP talk is about the millions he raised and why do you bother to follow the caucuses and primaries returns?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast... Let me phrase this in your terms... "I have always accepted that Ron Pauls chances of becoming President are zero". That is reality and I would believe that most people accept that. That however does not allow me and most other Americans here to sit on the sidelines doing nothing. That is your option and welcome to it. Most of the good people here are made of sterner material. Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure??????? Why do you keep avoiding ADDING something to the discussion??? Anyone can be negative, it takes no great intellect, however discussing the future does require thinking.
I think Ron Paul getting 10% in Iowa yesterday is very good Ron Paul will do better in New Hampshire and even better in South Carolina After that there will be momentum to win primaries His campaign builds all the time I know in my gut Ron Paul will be our President I watched some of the coverage of Iowa on FOX last evening The Iowa journalist said "money and a big campaign organization isn't what does it in Iowa This is a paraphrase and poor rendition But basically he was saying Iowans don't want the same people running government It occurred to me Iowans may not have been that well-acquainted with Ron Paul, And if it is true that Iowans chose Huckabee for these reasons, They always used to say how Iowa votes is an emblem of how country feels All my love, Palo
Nice summary and analysis, cookie. Thanks!
Fred, thank you
PS (back on a political note) it really is what Ron Pal will give them but it showed me what voters want now, and what they want is what Ron Paul offers Now is the time for Ron Paul to really get his message out to ALL We learn from the Iowa primary and I do thnk how Iowa voters think is emblem of the country to sum it up, we learned from Iowa primary what voters want
Good morning I. I've been thinking about this comment all night. Do you really think that's what it was? I was glad RP took the time to educate or re-educate people with the Constitution, and what freedom and liberty actually mean. The government OUT of your beeswax. So, I didn't feel I was being Libertarianized. It wasn't political, it was a freeing message. Drawing in people stuck in the left/right camp that had no place to go. And it is a good thought, and one with which I agree. The point is not any particular dogma whether it is labeled "libertarian" or otherwise. The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints. Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. Whether someone is an Iowa Farmer or a City Slicker the point remains unchanged. Taking money from one person forcibly to give to another is still theft - whether one uses the government to do it or the old fashioned way at gun point. Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of". "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hi Palo! Nice to see you dropping in.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Iowans appear to be "dumbed down".
I am happy to see you too, my sweet love GO Ron GO!!
I think the observation that someone made (I forget who and too lazy to look) that a lot of Iowans still get most of their "Nooze and Infotainment" from the Lamestream Lying Dishonest Sons of Bitches in the controlled media is likely true. Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't. Thus we get the result we got - and with a little help from the "wonders" of technology.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jesus advised His followers to "be wise as serpents"...didn't see too many 'serpents' in the crowd last night. :-(
An astounding number of them showed up at the cauci (plural for 'caucus', right?) last night without having ANY IDEA who to vote for. They made up their mind at the CAUCUS. Geez...
Truly disturbing information. Wake UP, America - use what brain-cells you have to educate yourselves about these people who (except one) want to rule you.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! (That's my Rebel ancestors talking.)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Glad to hear your comments. I was wondering what you would say about his showings. My initial hope a couple of weeks ago was that he would do only okay in Iowa, thus throwing off-guard his neocon msm detractors, but would then would astound the pundits with him pulling first or second in New Hampshire and beyond. I hope this is the case. In any event, Paul has two delegates so far for the convention, and unlike most Republican delegates, are unlikely to change their votes to accommodate any of the other candidates, causing possible gridlock at the convention (it's either Ron Paul or nobody). Stay tuned. Jan 8 will have me glued to the computer/tv. I'll be off from work and it's also my birthday. A Ron Paul victory will be the best present in years.
What is the average Iowan IQ?
:-(
How many precincts in Carrol County ???? What does a golfer say when he strikes an errant ball ????
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp
Palo, good to see your handle again. Missed your sweet posts.
Anyone not interested in that message is not interested in being free. You nailed OI. Perfect!! Thank you!
What is the average Iowan IQ? 1200 baud? /s
Just checking, nothing yet? Didn't think so.
The Establishment's Voting Machines
Thanks TT. Damn. If all the people woke up at the same time and acknowledged this, would it make any difference?
"For there is one thing we must never forget… the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards." -- Adolf Hitler
www.iowagop.net/straw.poll.asp Iowa Straw Poll Results (Augusts 11, 2007) Mitt Romney Wins Iowa Straw Poll With attendance of 33,000 and votes cast by more than 14,000, Republican party officials called the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll a resounding success. No one was more pleased than Governor Mitt Romney who received 4,516 votes to win the Straw Poll. In second place Governor Mike Huckabee earned 2,587 votes and was followed by Senator Sam Brownback who received 2,192 ballots cast in his favor. In a close fourth, U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo received 1,961 votes. In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305. Governor Tommy Thompson finished in sixth place with 1,029 votes and was followed by seventh place finisher, and undeclared candidate, Fred Thompson who had 203 votes cast for him. Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 183 votes for eighth place followed by U.S. Representative Duncan Hunter in ninth place with 174 votes. Senator John McCain, in 10th position, got 101 votes. And finishing last with 41 votes was John Cox. "Reports of the demise of the Iowa Straw Poll were premature and proven false today," stated Ray Hoffmann, chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa. "Activists turned out in great numbers to support their candidates despite a heat index exceeding 100 degrees. The atmosphere here rivaled that of the State Fair." New voting procedures were in place at the Iowa Straw Poll which required presentation and validation of a photo ID along with a ticket. "Iowans proudly stepped up to meet our voting requirements," Chuck Laudner, executive director of the Republican Party of Iowa, remarked. "To see more than 14,000 purple thumbs on this campus was thrilling." With theses new voting procedures in place, party officials were confident all votes were cast by Iowans only. "Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs," Laudner explained. "Our process guaranteed the one person, one vote ideal was upheld. We believe photo identification should be required before any vote is cast in Iowa elections and today we proved the process was not only possible, it was effective and efficient." The Iowa Straw Poll continues a decades' long tradition of testing candidates' organizational strength, bringing likely caucus-goers together, and winnowing the field. In the 1999 caucus, 89,000 participated. Today's Straw Poll vote tally represents more than 15 percent of that total, the most representative sample of likely voters' opinions, Laudner concluded.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much.
In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305."
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape. The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much. Isn't technology wonderful? You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest. Does the degree of the Hickabee win make sense to you?
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure??????? Not true. The Paulbots claim that the reason RP is running in the GOP primaries is because the GOP is the vehicle for him winning the presidency. Of course, they are going to do a 180 now and state that RP is only making all this noise to 'educate' the consumers. It's quite pathetic, if you make an effort to think about it. What upsets me is not the fact that RP has 'zero chances' to win the presidency but the fact that he actually had a chance to win it and it all went down to waste because he stayed with one of the 2 criminal political 2-parties. It's a huge waste. As for the educating of the consumers... a dozen 30-second sound-bites on the teevee does not educate a consumer. Want to educate the people? Write a book.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO] Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire.
You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka". Absolutely. I believe ItisAlmostTooLate posted a video once of testimony taken in the Ohio debacle, where the programmer testified to the fact of such. It's an incredible video, and the judges were so shocked. (Ahem.) What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
Who cares...they just marginalize him anyway and he's in the ABC Poll and he got PLENTY of press about the Faux poll, so overall, not a bad thing.
Live free or die.
Vast... Looks like rain tomorrow.
Well, if you want me to predict the future it's... plastics, for as long as we can get the hydrocarbs to make them. Or, maybe genetic engineering so that our offspring could be more like lions than like dogs or cows. Or maybe there CAN be a new frontier, somewhere in space. The most plausible post-Ron Paul future, IMHO, it's a world increasingly maintained by robotic devices - just got the Missus a robotic vacuum cleaner for Xmas - while humans immerse themselves into VR games and get so fat and real-world-lazy, they can no longer move. If the humes die off before the bots get self-sufficient, then it's the end of it. If the bots are capable of self-maintenance and self-improvement before the last human kicks the bucket then... why would they take advantage of such capability anyway. Unless... they find religion.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Looks like rain tomorrow.
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In my heart, I'm with you here. I believe in and have seen some small miracles with respect to RP's campaign and the people supporting it. Then there is my mind. My nagging mind. Always incredulous why people still go to movies where the young girl goes in to check out a weird sound in an old abandoned house, after finding something dead on the porch. Or something like that. A part of this brain of mine says, the PTB are pushing the public into a corner to goad them into revolt. Then plans laid to deal with such can be put into action. If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
I better clean up the musket then. There's always griping and whining from the sidelines as a backup plan.
When any army goes into battle, they have at least two plans. Plan A...How to win. Plan B...Having lost, how do we salvage something to fight another day.
Thank you Farmfriend for your warm friendly post
Plan A...How to win. Plan B...Having lost, how do we salvage something to fight another day. We know this is going to be a long battle. Contigencies need to explored now if, politically speaking, internet freedom or access, ceases. We certainly need to think about Plan B.
I have already floated a revised Plan A... And an outline for Plan B...
In any event, Paul has two delegates so far for the convention, and unlike most Republican delegates, are unlikely to change their votes to accommodate any of the other candidates, causing possible gridlock at the convention (it's either Ron Paul or nobody). Stay tuned. Jan 8 will have me glued to the computer/tv. I'll be off from work and it's also my birthday. A Ron Paul victory will be the best present in years Happy birthday darling, I wish you a wonderful birthday and a wonderful year Right now I'm guessing Ron Paul will come in 4th in New Hampshire altho oddly enough I think South Carolina is looking good for Ron Love, Palo I am still convinced this time next year he will be in our Oval Office GO RON GO!!!
I would tend to agree. At this point they, the NWO/Rothschilds/Rockefellers, have enough of their Police State apparatus in place that an armed insurrection would be very very very bloody. We might well prevail but the cost would likely be staggering. Better if we can do this peacefully. However, they are psychotics and will not give up their death grip willingly.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together. Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum.
Plan B is "Samizdat" - telephone trees of FAX machines and people putting up local dial in BBS's again.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This is really up to the Ron Paul campaign. They need to make news now. Call press conferences, which I seldom see happening. Roll out attack ads that will point out that only RON PAUL means change.
Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Sage advice. We have developed some momentum and we need to remain cohesive as a group even in the face of temporary set backs.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
And an outline for Plan B... You did? I must have ADD, because I missed it. Would you point me to it?
I am content with how the Iowa voters did A Huckabee win, would not change a thing
Pep... I did not float it here. I will try to use PM for you.
Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Your right Buckeye. In it for the long haul. Your ideas are excellent. Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Taken to heart.
LOL I'm not into Plan B GO RON GO!!!
Going old school. We can do that!!
I did not float it here. I will try to use PM for you. Okay.
I love your enthusiasm Palo!! I like Plan A better too. But, just in case, Always Be Prepared. :)
I think all of this is way bigger than we are. The important thing for me is to know that as long as I am pressing for freedom some way, some how, I can be satisfied that I'm doing something. Anything is better than being cynical and discouraged. I actually think this is a normal state of existence for any human being at any point in history. The forces of tyranny come from within our natures, and are in each of us, every day. Without continual defense, liberty will always be easily overcome -- even by the very efforts being used to defend it (as we've seen after 9/11).
What setback have we had?
my lovely darling, I am prepared to win I love you
awww come on, we are going to win this thing let the power elites do PLAN B :)
Dear Palo - OI and I are talking about learning from our process, which is working. We're optimistic about LONG TERM change even beyond Ron Paul's career because we see that what we're doing is WORKING. That's optimistic. And it's more important than just one man's election. I do not think that ads would have worked. The public believes that the news media are on their side, on the side of freedom. If they do not hear about Ron Paul on every channel, in each news broadcast, being interviewed and cross-examined by trusted thinkers, they will assume that he is a crank. That wouldn't be changed by expensive ads. Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
only liberty is natural our citizens will be so happy and relaxed to have truth the Ron Paul Presidency will be a joy to every citizen isn't it nice we are posting to each other again
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this. I wish I had some talent for campaigns, but I don't
But it's deep down inside of us all to be that way. The Age of Aquarius will never come for us. I suspect that the elite believe they can bring it with genetic engineering and pharmaceutical therapy, but this is a very dangerous and unpredictable path to take. I missed you, too!
brilliant!
As you can see, the media is what makes a campaign now. It's not your fault. It's not Ron Paul's fault. It will take a miracle to lock Ron Paul into the media coverage he deserves. Keep praying for miracles, Palo. You seem to have a good connection.
O my sweet love it is scheduled for 2012 for whole planet
:/ On a lighter note, have you ever noticed how much Hickabee resembles the bulldog in Mother Goose and Grim? Its in the eyes. . .
LOL, well I don't mind what you think about this as long as you're still willing to keep hope alive in 2013. I plan to be around then to help keep the flame of liberty alive, and I don't expect it to get easier. And if it does, I will be pushing to protect it with everything I can, knowing that human nature will not let it last long if we don't.
Ditto that.
Interesting similarity. So, it's either that or Norman Bates - it's in the eyes.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I love you Palo I'll be the baton twirler in the parade. And OLD baton twirler, but still . . . LOL!
Buckeye, Since we are digging in to our day of reflection here, I came upon a similar thought. As technologically advanced as the RP volunteer team is and was, it did not seem to reach the old tech crowd (so to speak). So, your point is right. Ron Pauls strategy must include outreach at every level. And to a point by Robin earlier, some of his messages need to be fine tuned and simplified. Concise and understandable. Goober proof.
I have been prayng ceaselessly, and I will not stop until he is in our Oval Office this time next year my latest thought is it is impossble to prevent Ron Paul from winning He is the only one who represents citizens we all have to put our minds together tho, about winning elections what happened in Iowa is fine, if we can learn every scrap of information which can be learned from it
LOL!
Buckeye, Since we are digging in to our day of reflection here, I came upon a similar thought. As technologically advanced as the RP volunteer team is and was, it did not seem to reach the old tech crowd (so to speak). So, your point is right. Ron Pauls strategy must include outreach at every level. And to a point by Robin earlier, some of his messages need to be fine tuned and simplified. Concise and understandable. EXCELLENT POST!!
Thanks Palo!!
you are a great baton twirler, Peppa
Palo dear, I believe that like I believe in the Age of Aquarius. I don't. That's where you and I come in. We need effective action, not just hopes. If you want to pray for something, pray to help us figure out how to focus the media on Ron Paul effectively and positively, without games, and without impropriety. The media is controlled by a small number of corporations, and operated by managers/editors/producers who are often CFR members and members of other elite think tanks that have staked their whole programs on preventing a Ron Paul from being elected. Are we an intelligent enough electorate to deal with this? It is up to us. I am very serious right now. Are we? Let's find out.
a poster on Digg called electing Ron Paul president now, a bloodless revolution Go Ron GO!!
Palo dear, the corporations and special interests that control the media and education where most of the opinion-making about Ron Paul is being done for the voters in all states have BILLIONS in assets to deploy. Money is helpful, but we need to make history. Can we? Will we? Let's try.
Thanks, but you may be sorry Palo. We will need to buy helmets for everyone. ;) I look forward to see you at the Inauguration!!
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I came to understand this sinister effect on TOS. People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements." They are fake. But they work. People still at TOS think they're the vast right wing conspiracy. How do the elites do this? Well how do they keep one of these splinters alive? The use fear, uncertainty, doubt, religious appeal, and heart-strings appeals. No doubt they have industrial psychologists advising Obama and Huckabee right now on this very ploy. People will actually vote for Huckabee because they are worried about immigration and he promises to do something about it. I am not kidding! Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
(buckeye) Palo dear, I believe that like I believe in the Age of Aquarius. LOL just because I am new age doesn't mean I am a ditz :) added to that number, and that must be millions are those who really like Ron Paul and will vote for him in the general election but will not lift a finger to do much else also let's not forget about critical mass "Some people assume that critical mass is one more than half, but it is not. ''Watch the surface of water as it's brought to a boil.
The problem is that the MSM has people convinced that they do not need to boil the ocean, or that they already are. I think we have to crack this nut to win.
I think so. Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I hadn't heard this, but I had heard about Huck stealing RP's message. First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system. I can see where this is leading and it isn't going to be pretty. The fact that I too am a non-violent peaceful sort, doesn't mean I'm going to put my head between my knees and kiss my butt goodbye. I prefer a peaceful world and there is no harm in working as hard as possible to bring about change no matter how small, through it. We are used to practicing war. We are not used to practicing Peace. So we stick to what is familiar, yet creates the most carnage. There is a better way, but we must also work to learn how to get to levers that can create it. I know people will think that is an absolutely nutty position to take. But it hurts no one to try.
Yes, I agree. I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy. 1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. I don't know what else to do, but this should help.
Hi palo, Most of the Ron Paul meetups I've attended involved holding signs and passing out slim-jims (campaign fliers). We get a good response, maybe one in thirty will honk, and maybe one in one hundred will wave and shout in approval.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system. Yes, I agree. I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy. 1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. 2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest. I don't know what else to do, but this should help. How would you approach #1? As for #2, I think we already have a very good guide to work from, and RP's record stands solid.
How do the elites do this? Well how do they keep one of these splinters alive? The use fear, uncertainty, doubt, religious appeal, and heart-strings appeals. No doubt they have industrial psychologists advising Obama and Huckabee right now on this very ploy. People will actually vote for Huckabee because they are worried about immigration and he promises to do something about it. I am not kidding! Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly? Tancredo was the anti-immigration candidate and he got nowhere I am not concerned right now that Obama is being billed as the anti- establishment candidate What we found out in Iowa is all voters now want the anti-establishment candidate We knew from the get-go media would not help us, and would do everything in their power to sabotage us So it comes down to Ron Paul has to get out his message to ALL I don't know what we can do to help Ron Paul get out his message I have no talent in this department that site links to DIGG I just wish I could help in the brainstorming of how his message could reach everyone
Well as I've said, ads are not going to work because the people expect to be told about their candidates by talk programs on TV and radio. And guess who owns that? But here's the general idea:
Huckabee is really Anyone But Ron Paul, so when he speaks of dismantling the IRS the smart GOP operatives see this as a way to co-opt free thinking.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Most of the Ron Paul meetups I've attended involved holding signs and passing out slim-jims (campaign fliers). We get a good response, maybe one in thirty will honk, and maybe one in one hundred will wave and shout in approval. excellent Dakmar, that is great I will say the only yard-signs I have seen in Tucson are for Ron Paul
You're wrong about this Palo. Americans are very afraid of illegal immigration. Their fears are easy to use against them though. Consider the fear that was raised about terrorism after 9/11. Americans decided to give Bush a pass on the Iraq invasion, which would not prevent any future terror, and might have encouraged more. See the pattern? Illegal immigration has been tolerated by the Establishment much to the harm of America. Yet the very fears it has raised will be easily coopted by the splinter "pseudo-rebels." You and I know that Ron Paul's views of illegal immigration are more sophisticated than that, and he wants to solve the problem with real economic reforms. Again, the proper formula is to go on the attack. Change the debate! Point out that someone is stealing the terms of the debate, if necessary. We would be foolish to expect anything from the media now This is wrong, Palo. Without the media, your true peaceful revolution will not happen. You can take that to the bank. But we have something on our side. It's a secret weapon. And you are one of the best people to wield it. Journalists and educators love to think that they are very fair. I heard Gretta Sustern complaining that she thought that Ron Paul deserved airtime, and that was the American way. We used to think of ourselves as a very fair people, before your time. We still are, and journalists go into their fields to uphold these values. Someone else comes along and takes that love away from them. We can awaken it. I think you are a MASTER at awakening a sense of fairness in people. I'm going to give you an assignment, if you are willing to accept. Why don't you pick three top journalistic media personalities each of whom you believe has a strain of fairness, or the potential to have it awakened, and make it your personal mission to contact their offices with the idea of persuading them to give Ron Paul effective, honest, and critical coverage? No need for their flattery. No need for them to hide anything. Just give him coverage. I think you can do it.
That is their formula. With the media driving their message for them, we will lose. I say again, we will lose.
I'm glad you came back to brighten up the Ron Paul threads around here. There can't be any doom and gloom with Palo around. hehehe
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1. Show the people that the "media-backed rebels" are false. I don't know what else to do, but this should help. that was the other insight I had last week it is important what you say about Ron Paul's honesty I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
awwww Critter, what a honey bunch you are
Caucusing at malls and berms isn't everyone's idea of a good time, I get it. Have you given any thought to helping with letter writing campaign?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Of course it is! But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent. This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century.
That vid is outstanding and heartbreaking. Whoever put it together did an excellent job. It does drag, so how can this be reassembled for max impact to match the attention span of voters. That's the question. I like a total picture of his record, but in snapshots rather than novel form. A few alternate versions of the same with added information. I can almost see it in my mind with a Huck v Paul bullet to bullet montage (I hate that word). But the imagery behind it can carry the message farther than the words. I'm thinking.
People will only see it when they are ready to wake up.
I think you can do it. Brit Hume is honest and fair Altho in the midde of the bombardment of emails about this, I did say to him that he gives the best interviews of everyone Brit Hume is the news director at Fox I don't know who else to write to, because so many of the others lost my trust during the clinton Impeachment Of course I have not watched TV since I went on net in Jan 2000 Love, Palo
Whoops, forgot to add you Palo! Sorry.
Goodnight all!
Not that I know. They probably won't. And in any case, that's symptomatic of a larger set of issues. You're an articulate person with a lot of persuasive power. I think you can strike a chord in the conscience of one or more senior journalist/editors and persuade him/her to take strong action.
Good night to you, too!
(buckeye) Of course it is! (Peppa) People will only see it when they are ready to wake up. I agree with you Peppa
good night darling Peppa
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it. I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream.
(buckeye) Of course it is! it's the story of the millennium Big media, both Parties, and the military industrial complex are all in bed with each other I will think about this some more, but right now I don't see how big media will give Ron Paul a fair shake? Glen Beck did a nice interview with Ron Paul on New Years Day Are you committed to the idea we can't win without big media
As I've suggested, persuasive, enchanting, and sweet people like you should sign up to persuade them that they are being unfair and conspiratorial if they don't cover Ron Paul's story. Are you committed to the idea we can't win without big media Not at all. I'm an optimist, otherwise you would never have encountered me on these boards.
Hi sweetheart I am sorry to be such a couch potato for Ron Paul now I have Ron Paul bumper stickers front and back bumpers on both truck and 2nd hand car the election season has just begun
I don't particularly think I'm ready for 'grocery cart chic', Well he claims he actually lives in a tree stump so I have to suppose the grocery cart is his holiday recreational vehicle. He is however a good retirement financial specialist.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm not being dark and gloomy, I'm problem-solving here. I'd rather talk details and situations, and plan effective action than dream. I agree with you Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why is that not a good idea? Love, Palo
We gave out 50 or so last Saturday at gun show, and some on Sunday too I'd guess but wasn't there. If you show up at a meetup someone will likely have a spare sign, otherwise they can be ordered, but it costs less to buy in bulk.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world.
leading up to the clinton Impeachment I wrote letters, real letters not email to every journalist every single day when I tried to stop the bombing of Yugoslavia, again I wrote letters (snail mail) every day now I think there must be a willingness first, before a letter can communicate
I'm not sure that letters are the best. Phone calls are a way to say, "Let me come to your office and meet you for 30 minutes and talk about this."
(Dakmar) We gave out 50 or so last Saturday at gun show, and some on Sunday too I'd guess but wasn't there. If you show up at a meetup someone will likely have a spare sign, otherwise they can be ordered, but it costs less to buy in bulk. thanks Dakmnar I have been wanting a Ron Paul yardsign with all my heart since he announced his candidacy
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time It's fine, but Americans have always believed that the press was the fourth estate. They don't trust infomercials. That's how phony weight loss and get rich schemes are sold. We need compelling talk show and 6pm coverage. By the way, a special on PBS earlier tonight was talking about how Obama's campaigners are using beauty salons to spread the word about their candidate. You might have similar clues about your world. no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras but of course the media loved it, it was so much fun as you pointed out, this (Ron Paul) is the story of the century but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now I will start to put my thinking cap on
Doesn't smell right to me, but he is a Zionist supporter so........
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are correct on that PV. I went to HS with Mike and he is (was?)a good guy person to person, but is a state loving authoritarian. If you like the way things have been going Mike's the man for you. And a apostate Christian.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Think hard out there - after the bras, what else is there to burn? Once the puppies are freed, is much else left tethered?
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I have the answer, but it would take REAL men to carry out the plan.
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I just watched Bill Moyers interviewing Ron Paul. When you can watch streaming video of this, if it's uploaded, please do. It was a great interview, one of the best! Ron Paul was followed by Dennis Kucinich. Bill Moyers asked similar questions, and the focus was on media reform. Of course the two leaders had different views; one collectivist, the other free market. I will start to put my thinking cap on You are a brilliant lady. I think you may come up with some excellent ideas. If they involve "happenings" akin to bra burnings, that would be funny.
I will start to put my thinking cap on You know that was stolen about 20 years ago.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
What if Ron Paul burned his shorts?
I support Ron Paul for the Republican nomination and can't say much at this point as I am the one who derailed Nader's initiative petition campaign by exposing fraud by some of the petioners who were being paid to get Ralph to get on the ballot in Oregon. Allot of people at that building the petition campaign contractor was located in knew about some of the tricks and scams. I was the only one who patiently documented as many of them I could and got the information to the right people. Believe it or not, I am an effective, real life activist. But don't hold it against me please. ;-) People I know lurk my posts, and I am trying to get along with my fellow Pacific Greens so I am not going to jump in and say exactly how I feel right now about various people. Other then to say Paul is the only qualified Republican canidate, and I most closely agree politically with Dennis Kucinich.
thank you for your post Tom
I figured as much. Makes perfect sense. I'm having a problem. There's a girl about 24 with whom we've been friends since she was 3. Lives in Bay Area California. Typical liberal urban schooling, UC graduate, parents lower middle class. 1/2 upper middle class jewish grandparents. Seems pretty aware of many issues, well travelled. She's supporting the Dems because they aren't the Pubs, regardless of the candidate. Actually she wants Kucinich. Doesn't want to discuss or hear anything about Paul because he's pub and anti-abortion. The war, altho bad, is the fault of the pubs. More the reality of it, to me, is that she is fukked. She can't get a job unless it's funded by the government because private industry in the areas in which she's interested don't exist (organic agriculture). She doesn't have a job. Finishing Master's degree. College loans, still lives with parents. Has never held a 40 hour per week gig for more than 2 months and that was only once. Therefore, she instinctively knows that her only option is to support the socialist candidate because otherwise, she has no future. I think that's the belief of many liberals who support the dems. They have to have it, no matter if it causes genocide, environmental pollution or class/race warfare; all the things they like to believe they're against. How do you reconcile the erroneous "Paul = Republican Neo Con" to people in that circle?
Live free or die.
Ron Paul was followed by Dennis Kucinich. It was a great interview, one of the best! Wow Buckeye what a lovely post to wake up to
LOL!
'Neocon' is erroneous (and I doubt that anyone believes that RP is a neocon) but 'Republican' is not. He declared repeatedly that he wishes to stay inside the big tent of the awfully disgusting GOPs. I know, he disagrees with the GOPs more than he agrees with them but, for some incomprehensible reason, he wishes to stay with the party of Giuliani, W Bush and Scooter Libby. Like my Chinese friend would say if he heard of this: "vely, vely, stlange".
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Exactly. And he, like Bill Clinton before him, will do anything to become one.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are so perceptive, Tom
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
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But it isn't personal.
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Iowans a bunch of pork jockeys and sodbusters? WOW
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and Lepers
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Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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Did you see that elderly woman?
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The Revolution will not be televised!
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Their support will fall off though
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
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Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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Holy shit! I think that's Jim Tafficant handing out the ballots! Looks like the same bad rug.
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The Revolution will not be televised!
#31. To: Peppa (#26)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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Wonder what that means...deluded 'Christians' for Huckabee, or...
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Their support will fall off though LOL
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Hucklebuck is a one-hit wonder...he has very little money.A
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Mr. Potato head has been mewling '4th' all week...he can't stand Paul.
#39. To: Dakmar (#20)
justin tv is on the air!
#40. To: Critter (#37)
Janson, independent, must reregister to participate. Bet he's and Rp supporter. hehehe
#41. To: Critter (#0)
#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#39)
Thanks.
#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#39)
#44. To: Dakmar (#43)
#45. To: Dakmar (#43)
#46. To: Peppa (#45)
#47. To: Peppa (#26)
Russert on MSNBC, just said he thinks that Ron Paul support MAY BE 'undersampled'.
#48. To: Dakmar (#46)
#49. To: Mekons4 (#41)
#50. To: Peppa (#45)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#51. To: Original_Intent (#47)
#52. To: Dakmar (#51)
#53. To: Critter (#0)
#54. To: noone222 (#52)
IOWA IDOL !
The Revolution will not be televised!
#55. To: noone222 (#48)
#56. To: noone222 (#52)
IOWA IDOL !
#57. To: noone222 (#52)
#58. To: Dakmar (#55)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#59. To: robin (#54)
#60. To: lizza76 (#57)
#61. To: lizza76 (#57)
#62. To: lizza76 (#57)
someones tone deaf granddaugther
The Revolution will not be televised!
#63. To: robin (#58)
#64. To: robin (#58)
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
#65. To: robin (#62)
#66. To: noone222 (#60)
She's killin me !!!
#67. To: noone222 (#63)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#68. To: robin (#50)
Oh yeah, this is Iowa.
#69. To: noone222 (#63)
one family is responsible for the nomination ???
#70. To: noone222 (#52)
#71. To: Dakmar (#51)
A Treat?
#72. To: Original_Intent (#71)
(Edited)
#73. To: robin (#67)
I don't see that many young people
#74. To: robin (#58)
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
#75. To: Dakmar (#46)
pledge allegiance...
#76. To: Original_Intent (#71)
A Treat?
#77. To: Critter, ALL (#56)
#78. To: Peppa (#75)
#79. To: Peppa (#75)
#80. To: noone222 (#72)
The "CHAIR" is a reformed Dem = Neo-con
#81. To: Peppa (#75)
I stood up and put hand on heart.
#82. To: Original_Intent (#47)
Given that the MSM Presstitutes have been hawking the "Ron Paul doesn't exist" disinformation line they might even be running scared that he is actually going to win it.
#83. To: Original_Intent (#80)
#84. To: christine (#77)
#85. To: Peppa (#75)
I stood up and put hand on heart.
#86. To: robin, Peppa (#58)
She's probably related to half the town, which is related to the other half.
#87. To: DeaconBenjamin (#84)
Paul at 11 percent with 2 percent in.
#88. To: Original_Intent (#86)
#89. To: lizza76 (#88)
mccain has the longest pro life voting record? WHAT?
#90. To: Peppa (#89)
#91. To: Critter (#85)
Before the civil war, most Americans knew that their allegiance was with their state, not the nation. Somehow we lost our way.
#92. To: noone222 (#72)
The "CHAIR" is a reformed Dem = Neo-con
#93. To: Peppa (#89)
#94. To: lizza76 (#78)
she supports Julie because they share clothes!
#95. To: scrapper2 (#92)
#96. To: noone222 (#95)
#97. To: buckeye (#79)
"Radical Islam issues" Giuliani fearmongering.
#98. To: Peppa (#94)
#99. To: lizza76, Peppa (#90)
#100. To: lizza76 (#96)
#101. To: Peppa (#82)
I like your analysis of this.
#102. To: Dakmar (#81)
I'm only buying happy looking paper plates from here on out.
#103. To: buckeye (#53)
#104. To: noone222 (#95)
#105. To: Original_Intent (#101)
Those Troops.
#106. To: scrapper2 (#104)
Who the f**k cares about a "war torn" Israel?
#107. To: scrapper2 (#104)
#108. To: Original_Intent (#86)
Yeah, but the real question is what is the year of the Pick-up on blocks in the front yard?
#109. To: Peppa (#102)
You know, we COULD make a display with red licorice. We need to maintain a theme.
#110. To: noone222 (#93)
Pro-life in the womb ... after 18 anything goes !
#111. To: noone222 (#106)
#112. To: Peppa, lizza76 (#89)
mccain has the longest pro life voting record? WHAT?
#113. To: Peppa (#110)
#114. To: Cynicom (#99)
Taking names of potential subversives or terraists.
#115. To: Peppa (#108)
Yeah, but the real question is what is the year of the Pick-up on blocks in the front yard?
#116. To: noone222 (#113)
#117. To: Original_Intent (#101)
Is that the same Troops that aren't allowed to buy the best Body Armor, have night vision scopes that fog up in the desert, had to make their own Hum Vee armor, drink contaminated water, and eat unfit food served by no-bid cost plus contracted Bush Cronies? Those Troops?
#118. To: noone222 (#105)
Those Troops.
#119. To: Mekons4 (#111)
#120. To: Dakmar (#109)
(Edited)
Right. What makes for a really happy looking paper plate?
#121. To: lizza76 (#116)
#122. To: christine (#117)
#123. To: noone222, all (#121)
#124. To: lizza76 (#116)
#125. To: Peppa (#123)
#126. To: noone222 (#124)
#127. To: Original_Intent (#112)
Of course that trumps being an Obstetrician who has shepherded live babies into the world.
#128. To: Peppa (#123)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#129. To: noone222 (#113)
McCain doesn't support the right to life for any Muslims or American kids over 18.
#130. To: Original_Intent (#115)
Studebaker of course.
#131. To: Peppa (#129)
#132. To: Peppa (#123)
#133. To: lizza76 (#125)
looks like a pretty muddled up system to me
#134. To: Uncle Bill (#122)
#135. To: who knows what evil (#128)
Maybe that guy from Illinois was on to something... :-(
#136. To: noone222 (#131)
These people seem confused.
#137. To: Dukie (#132)
#138. To: Dukie (#132)
CNN showing 40% reporting and Benito 11%, Ron 10%
#139. To: Critter (#137)
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%.
#140. To: Peppa (#139)
(Edited)
#141. To: noone222, Peppa (#131)
These people seem confused.
#142. To: Critter, Dukie (#137)
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%.
#143. To: Critter (#137)
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%.
#144. To: Peppa (#133)
It's what government healthcare would look like.
#145. To: orangedog (#144)
#146. To: Critter (#137)
#147. To: TwentyTwelve (#141)
To: noone222, Peppa
#148. To: Critter (#140)
90% of RP's support is not polled.
#149. To: orangedog (#144)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#150. To: lizza76 (#145)
Their total was 23 votes wasn't it?
#151. To: orangedog (#144)
Imagine going through the TSA screening at an airport...only more thuggish.
#152. To: TwentyTwelve (#141)
They are Iowans.
#153. To: Peppa, Critter (#138)
#154. To: Peppa (#152)
#155. To: orangedog (#144)
You wanna see what government health care would look like? Imagine going through the TSA screening at an airport...only more thuggish.
#156. To: orangedog (#150)
#157. To: Peppa (#155)
Free colonoscopy!
#158. To: TwentyTwelve (#154)
Who is worse?
#159. To: Dukie (#151)
Well, they have the procto exam procedure down pat already, huh ?
#160. To: Peppa (#155)
Free colonoscopy!
#161. To: lizza76, orangedog (#156)
www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/VoteTotals.aspx
#162. To: TwentyTwelve (#157)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#163. To: TwentyTwelve (#157)
Free colonoscopy! Nothing is free.
#164. To: Peppa, orangedog (#155)
#165. To: Original_Intent (#160)
Kind of like "free drinks" in Vegas eh?
#166. To: orangedog, Dukie (#159)
Well, they have the procto exam procedure down pat already, huh ?
#167. To: Dukie (#164)
#168. To: Peppa (#165)
Kind of like "free drinks" in Vegas eh?
#169. To: Original_Intent (#166)
Rudy's favorite part of the exam.
#170. To: who knows what evil (#162)
#171. To: who knows what evil (#162)
Have populated areas like Des Moines and Davenport reported in yet? Maybe there are smart Iowans living there...
#172. To: Dukie (#164)
65% reporting - Benito back to 4%, Ron still at 10%
#173. To: who knows what evil (#162)
#174. To: orangedog (#167)
#175. To: TwentyTwelve (#170)
#176. To: Original_Intent (#171)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#177. To: Dukie (#169)
Rudy's favorite part of the exam.
#178. To: who knows what evil (#162)
#179. To: who knows what evil (#176)
#180. To: who knows what evil (#176)
Yeah...old classics like 'postal service' and 'military intelligence' spring to mind...
#181. To: Peppa (#175)
#182. To: Peppa (#172)
CONSERVATISM
#183. To: TwentyTwelve, who knows what evil (#178)
We all knew that Huckster and Joseph Smith would be first and second. It's still show time for third place.
#184. To: Original_Intent (#177)
#185. To: TwentyTwelve (#181)
#186. To: TwentyTwelve (#181)
#187. To: Dukie (#182)
CONSERVATISM The term "conservatism" today implies regimentation, order, hammering down every nail standing up, conformity, intolerance of individual thinking, and the state is your friend.
#188. To: TwentyTwelve (#181)
Huckabee 25,510 34%
#189. To: Peppa (#185)
#190. To: Peppa (#185)
#191. To: Critter (#0)
#192. To: Critter (#0)
#193. To: TwentyTwelve (#189)
Posted at LP:
#194. To: Mekons4 (#192)
#195. To: Peppa (#187)
#196. To: buckeye (#191)
Did you hear that series of 3-4 Ron Paul supporters on the GOP CSPAN hotline? It was incredible to hear all those young voices talking about freedom. They are the future.
#197. To: Dakmar (#190)
(Edited)
Dozens an dozens of democrats registering as republicans so they can vote? Sweet!
#198. To: scrapper2 (#186)
McCain and Thompson are ahead of RP???? Sheesh! Iowa must have some eeevil substances in its drinking water.
#199. To: All (#192)
#200. To: TwentyTwelve (#196)
It is fantastic!
#201. To: Dukie (#182)
The term "conservatism" today implies regimentation, order, hammering down every nail standing up, conformity, intolerance of individual thinking, and the state is your friend.
#202. To: Mekons4 (#192)
Just off the phone with my rightwing bro, who is rooting for Obama. We are two happy people. Just get ready for our first black president. He will win the Dem primary and McCain will win the Rep one, and Obama will just KILL in the national election. Unless a pro-Iraq War guy is going to get the voters all hot and sweaty.
#203. To: buckeye (#200)
It is fantastic!
#204. To: Mekons4 (#192)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#205. To: Mekons4 (#199)
Let me sum up Clinton's speech. "This is just one setback in a long campaign. Stupid young women seem to think that voting for a nigger instead of a woman is some big deal. Stupid sluts. Goddam stupid sluts."
#206. To: X-15 (#205)
#207. To: TwentyTwelve (#203)
#208. To: Peppa (#197)
If they doing what they need to vote for Ron Paul, great.
#209. To: iconoclast (#201)
#210. To: buckeye (#200)
I'm so grateful for their energy and optimism. I know they will eventually prevail. Young people reading this: DO NOT GIVE UP. We'll be supporting you as you get older, and move into leadership positions. Make us proud.
#211. To: buckeye (#207)
From another perspective, it's good to see the Iowa electoral process unfolding. The Iowans we're hearing on CSPAN: 165k expected, 185k actually came out to vote. People really care about this election. No matter what happens, I want to see the democratic process WORK.
#212. To: Dukie (#209)
#213. To: Dukie (#174)
#214. To: RickyJ (#210)
I will. :)
#215. To: buckeye (#207)
#216. To: buckeye (#212)
#217. To: TwentyTwelve (#189)
#218. To: Dakmar (#202)
Progress...For The Future! What kind of monster could possibly oppose such a sweet vision for the future?
#219. To: Mekons4 (#215)
Not a good sign for Repukes.
#220. To: orangedog (#213)
#221. To: Peppa (#219)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#222. To: Peppa, Critter (#218)
#223. To: Peppa (#219)
Is there a place to buy tickets for another planet?
#224. To: Dakmar (#208)
If they doing what they need to vote for Ron Paul, great. swahili?
#225. To: Peppa (#219)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#226. To: who knows what evil (#221)
IOWA= Idiots Out Walking Around. Sorry, but I find that pretty funny.
#227. To: Peppa (#219)
#228. To: Peppa (#224)
#229. To: TwentyTwelve (#222)
Huckabee Takes Iowa; Romney in 2nd
#230. To: Dukie (#223)
The late Dr. Gerard O'Neill, visionary from Princeton, had a pretty good plan. Just search his name.
#231. To: Peppa (#229)
FOUL!!!!!!
#232. To: Peppa (#230)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#233. To: Peppa (#229)
Huckabee Takes Iowa; Romney in 2nd
#234. To: TwentyTwelve (#211)
I just heard 205K.
#235. To: who knows what evil (#225)
Belize is nice. You can look around some more at this site .
#236. To: Dukie (#209)
In my mind there are conservatives and then there are faux-conservatives ( FOXconservatives ?? )
#237. To: tom007 (#227)
I am going to Australia and Fiji January 29 and don't think I will be silent about it .
#238. To: Dakmar (#228)
I'm still listening to C-Span coverage linked at top of this thread. Your english is fine, I was lampooning the establishment politics of one commentator.
#239. To: Peppa (#235)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#240. To: Critter (#231)
FOUL!!!!!!
#241. To: Critter (#232)
#242. To: Peppa, All (#240)
The Huckster speaks.
#243. To: TwentyTwelve (#233)
Or a month ago.
#244. To: buckeye (#242)
The Huckster speaks.
#245. To: Peppa (#241)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#246. To: iconoclast (#236)
My friend Peppa is opening the bar.
#247. To: Peppa, Critter (#240)
FOUL!!!!!!
#248. To: Peppa (#246)
#249. To: TwentyTwelve (#244)
#250. To: Critter (#245)
...I'll be over here cleaning my guns...
#251. To: who knows what evil (#239)
I lived in Hawa'ii for a bit.
#252. To: buckeye (#249)
"Tonight we proved that American politics is in the hands of ordinary folks like you."
#253. To: buckeye (#249)
"Tonight we proved that American politics is in the hands of ordinary folks like you."
#254. To: Original_Intent (#247)
What about the Fudge Packers?
#255. To: buckeye (#242)
The Huckster speaks.
#256. To: Original_Intent (#252)
#257. To: TwentyTwelve (#253)
#258. To: Critter (#245)
Well, this has been a real drag. If you need me any more tonight, I'll be over here cleaning my guns...
#259. To: Critter (#0)
#260. To: Peppa (#251)
I lived in Hawa'ii for a bit.
#261. To: Cynicom (#248)
Long way to November.
#262. To: Peppa (#254)
What about the Fudge Packers?
#263. To: TwentyTwelve (#250)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#264. To: Peppa (#255)
I'm having a mood. LOL! :)
#265. To: TwentyTwelve (#256)
Huckster is pathetic.
#266. To: Peppa (#258)
If you want happy talk, we can try the financial threads!
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#267. To: Original_Intent (#260)
I lived in Japan for 4 years. I love the place, but it is toooooooooo crowded.
#268. To: Original_Intent (#262)
#269. To: Peppa (#229)
Huckabee Takes Iowa; Romney in 2nd
#270. To: buckeye (#264)
OK by me. Have heart. We don't know what's going to happen next. That leaves room for a lot of hope, one way or another.
#271. To: Peppa (#258)
If you want happy talk, we can try the financial threads!
#272. To: Peppa (#270)
#273. To: Peppa (#251)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#274. To: Peppa (#268)
#275. To: Original_Intent (#271)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#276. To: Peppa (#267)
We just tried to avoid the giant rats, weird tree bugs, junebugs the size of your fist, cockroaches (that could steal your grocery cart), lizards, iguanas, locals with machete's and the best side of the Island where there was always a mating season, and man o wars.
#277. To: angle (#259)
#278. To: iconoclast (#269)
C'mon Hon.
#279. To: Peppa (#261)
#280. To: Cynicom (#279)
#281. To: Peppa (#258)
If you want happy talk, we can try the financial threads!
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#282. To: who knows what evil (#273)
I took a ship from San Francisco to Hawa'ii, and returned a year later on a plane. Both had windows. It was DEFINITELY overseas.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#283. To: buckeye (#280)
#284. To: buckeye (#280)
I'm with you: 10% is good tonight
#285. To: Peppa (#267)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#286. To: Critter (#266)
If you want happy talk, we can try the financial threads! Can we just talk dirty for a while? That always makes me fee better.
#287. To: lizza76 (#277)
#288. To: Original_Intent (#271)
Gold closed at 864.599
#289. To: lizza76 (#277)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#290. To: Cynicom (#279)
New Hampshire is worth ten Iowas.
#291. To: lizza76 (#284)
#292. To: Peppa (#290)
#293. To: Peppa, iconoclast, TwentyTwelve (#278)
C'mon Hon.
#294. To: Peppa (#286)
#295. To: Cynicom (#292)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#296. To: who knows what evil (#289)
McCain and Thompson should be battling over a checker board in a nursing home somewhere instead of participating in a presidential primary.
#297. To: Cynicom, Peppa (#292)
Pep...
#298. To: who knows what evil (#281)
sales on Christmas items last week; like they normally would. Why? They are holding them in inventory instead to sell next November; to save on shipping and inventory costs. Sucks if your job is manufacturing and shipping Christmas decorations...I'm sure they are NOT the only ones thinking like this...
#299. To: Peppa (#288)
Gold closed at 864.599
#300. To: Peppa (#290)
#301. To: Cynicom (#283)
Iowa was open to manipulation. New Hampshire is not.
#302. To: who knows what evil (#285)
Florida? That's not overseas, either.
#303. To: Cynicom (#283)
Iowa was open to manipulation. New Hampshire is not.
#304. To: Cynicom (#292)
Pep...
#305. To: Cynicom (#291)
Doofus Thompson reminds me of the man that cannot find his way to the mens room by himself.
#306. To: Critter, who knows what evil (#282)
I took a ship from San Francisco to Hawa'ii, and returned a year later on a plane. Both had windows. It was DEFINITELY overseas.
#307. To: Peppa (#301)
#308. To: Original_Intent (#293)
It will be interesting to see what the Poll Watchers and Vote Canvassers have to report in the morning. I am sure there will be indications of widespread fraud, but the people controlling the enforcement arm are part of the fraud operation, and the Lamestream Media will go 24/7 saying "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes
#309. To: Original_Intent (#306)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#310. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#301)
Iowa was open to manipulation. New Hampshire is not.
#311. To: angle (#294)
Hey hey, none of that talk. And another thing...so what Paul isn't in the NH debates. The debates are rigged so he gets what 15 seconds to explain his position? Fugg Faux. We'll have a better time discussing Paul's platform right here.
#312. To: Peppa (#286)
hese I-dunn-O-wans, have done quite enough dirty talk for me for the night.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#313. To: Peppa (#308)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#314. To: Original_Intent (#297)
Pee Wee Herman?
#315. To: Peppa, christine, zipporah, yertle turtle (#237)
Don't forget about us when you leave.
#316. To: Peppa (#308)
I'll put the coffee on.
#317. To: Original_Intent (#299)
Yes, it is. My modest inheritance, mostly quality Jewelry from my collector Mother, has more than tripled in value.
#318. To: Peppa (#314)
Pee Wee Herman?
#319. To: tom007, Ferret Mike (#315)
Yertle Turtle knows how to live in tree stumps and has an excellent retirement plan so I suggest he be the leader of the colony.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#320. To: tom007 (#315)
#321. To: Cynicom (#300)
Show you the value of Iowas caucus, Giuliani received votes and did not even show up, because he knows Iowa is not that important, but still some dummies voted for him.
#322. To: Peppa (#317)
Now, if you guys can just pimp the price of Bradford Collectors plates, I'll be a hundred-aire.
#323. To: Peppa, critter, dakmar, Original_Intent, ALL! (#321)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#324. To: Cynicom (#307)
Paul himself was not optimistic on Iowa. Take a reasonable showing and go with it.
#325. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#324)
I thought he would truly rattle the house in Iowa.
#326. To: Critter (#312)
Is that a no? hehehe
#327. To: Peppa (#246)
I'm convinced they could not take instructions on putting a nickel in the gum machine and turning the knob.
#328. To: angle (#320)
Have a wonderful experience.
#329. To: who knows what evil (#313)
Paul actually WON Jefferson County (the smart Iowans, apparently); but the totals haven't been tallied yet. (It was around 400...won't help him catch McCain/Thompson, but might boot him to 11%.) A couple of other counties out that way missing, as well.
#330. To: Critter (#0)
#331. To: Critter (#0)
#332. To: who knows what evil, Peppa, critter, dakmar, ALL (#323)
One should remember that Bush has a 70 PER CENT approval rating in Iowa...that is WAY out of sync with the rest (normal) part of the country. For Paul to finish just 2% out of THIRD in a state like that is actually quite the accomplishment!
#333. To: tom007 (#315)
From what my research indicates, freedom4um needs to buy a few acres of land in Fiji and set up a freedom colony.
#334. To: longnose gar (#330)
#335. To: buckeye (#325)
I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies.
#336. To: TwentyTwelve (#222)
Evangelical Christians accounted for a whopping six in 10 voters – and 45 percent of them supported Huckabee
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#337. To: longnose gar (#330)
(Edited)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#338. To: Original_Intent (#316)
I like mine Black - and strong enough to corrode a spoon.
#339. To: Original_Intent (#318)
Thank you. Somebody finally caught it. I was beginning to lose hope.
#340. To: IndieTX (#336)
Evangelical Christians accounted for a whopping six in 10 voters – and 45 percent of them supported Huckabee
#341. To: iconoclast (#335)
(Edited)
I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies.
#342. To: Original_Intent (#322)
;)
#343. To: Peppa (#338)
I offer raw sugar, cinnamon, and cream. No replacement spoons. ;) LOLOL!
#344. To: Peppa (#342)
#345. To: Original_Intent (#293)
#346. To: longnose gar (#330)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#347. To: Original_Intent (#341)
#348. To: iconoclast (#345)
#349. To: Critter (#346)
#350. To: iconoclast, all (#327)
I take it "they" are American voters.
#351. To: Original_Intent (#349)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#352. To: Original_Intent (#341)
A good response could have been something along the lines of:
#353. To: Critter (#351)
That usually shuts him up. lol
#354. To: Peppa (#350)
Good night I, and everybody!
#355. To: iconoclast (#352)
#356. To: iconoclast (#335)
A campaign is not a Political Science lecture.
#357. To: Critter (#351)
FORMER 4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#358. To: christine (#357)
laughing....
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#359. To: Original_Intent (#348)
#360. To: buckeye (#356)
Drop the campaign a line and ask if you can help with a few suggestions.
#361. To: Critter (#358)
#362. To: iconoclast (#359)
This is a decidedly Christian nation. All vote seekers need to keep that in mind.
#363. To: christine (#361)
when do we start shooting the bastards. that's what i want to know.
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#364. To: Critter (#363)
#365. To: iconoclast (#327)
The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change.
#366. To: buckeye (#356)
Drop the campaign a line and ask if you can help with a few suggestions.
#367. To: iconoclast (#360)
(Edited)
I thought that was what I was doing.
#368. To: Critter (#0)
#369. To: iconoclast (#366)
By golly, maybe I will.
2. They need to start planning/staffing ahead.
#370. To: Critter (#351)
That usually shuts him up. lol
#371. To: Original_Intent (#355)
It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. There is a difference between a political answer and an honest answer.
#372. To: iconoclast (#371)
#373. To: christine (#364)
meet me in DC? ;)
4um's Resident RP Prediction Guru
#374. To: X-15 (#365)
You just defined the Ron Paul Revolution. I'm a burned-out Republican tired of being lied to by a GOP that is going to hell two steps behind the Demonrats.
#375. To: iconoclast (#359)
Ah, memories! ;-)
#376. To: iconoclast (#371)
I'm trying to draw the distinction between a schoolmarm approach and an honest but non hectoring approach.
#377. To: Original_Intent (#376)
in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn.
#378. To: X-15 (#377)
#379. To: X-15 (#368)
"I'm really glad to see Hitlery get pwned by Obama and Edwards. I wonder if she's throwing ash trays at her campaign staff??"
#380. To: Ferret Mike, All (#379)
#381. To: lizza76, All (#1)
http://www.libertybroadcastnetwork.org/VoteTotals.aspx
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#382. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#383. To: Mekons4 (#36)
This is without doubt the most entertaining primary season ever.
#384. To: Original_Intent (#375)
No. I can still see it in my minds eye - it was like everything was in slow motion
#385. To: scrapper2 (#73)
Frightening isn't it? I thought the bad weather might keep the geezers away...I mean I was hoping that the senior citizens would stay home where it was safe.
- a huge, centuries-old mature political mafia organization, such as the GOP, is not 'a tool' just waiting to be used by anyone who wishes to take advantage of it.
#386. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
#387. To: Original_Intent (#376)
Point granted, and you are most correct - in that making someone wrong is not going to win their support - in most cases it'll just make'em stubborn.
#388. To: Original_Intent (#376)
all the subsidies do is reward farmers for an inefficient use of their time and land. I know farmers do not like to change crops, but if over production exists then, failing subsidies, they are forced to learn a new crop - or more than one.
#389. To: Peppa (#139)
I'm gonna call FOUL if RP only gets 10%.
#390. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#389)
Sorry, couldn't resist it. I promise to try hard not to further rub your nose in in.
#391. To: Cynicom (#390)
#392. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#391)
#393. To: Cynicom, a vast rightwing conspirator (#392)
You openly display that you are a freerider and a sideliner.
#394. To: Cynicom (#392)
#395. To: Critter (#351)
That usually shuts him up. lol
#396. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#394)
The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
#397. To: iconoclast (#327)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
#398. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#394)
The only thing that bothers me is the wasted opportunity.
#399. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#389)
Funny, funny, funny, funny, funny. Like I said before, reality is here now and it is now biting your ass.
#400. To: Critter (#393)
(Edited)
Vast seems to be a man without a country. He is anti everything it seems.
#401. To: Ferret Mike (#379)
#402. To: Peppa (#399)
If all indy's have your touch of class, I may not ever vote for one.
#403. To: Cynicom (#398)
#404. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#403)
Lets see just how politically astute you really are.
#405. To: Cynicom (#404)
Above is what I asked for...post Ron Paul failure...
#406. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#400)
(Edited)
I am still waiting to hear more about RP's strategy of winning the US presidency by fist winning the GOP nomination.
#407. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#405)
The 2008 opportunity is being wasted now. Any guess as of when the next non-violent opportunity to end world hunger and bring about peace may present itself?
#408. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#400)
http://www.kptm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7576069&nav=menu606_2
Rep. Ron Paul vows to take GOP campaign to New Hampshire
#409. To: aristeides (#406)
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
#410. To: aristeides (#406)
Winning the presidency is not the only way Ron Paul can win. Just by raising his issues and airing them in debates, he has already won a major victory.
#411. To: Cynicom (#410)
#412. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#411)
It's so funny. Just as I thought. Now that reality is pinching you,
#413. To: ALL (#412)
(Palo) I didnt see this thread so I posted my two cents about the Iowa primary on another thread
here is is where it belonged
I'll copy it here
it is only 3% less than McCain and Fred Thompson
What interested me most was when Brit Hume interviewed the Iowa political journalist,
who is expert on Iowa politics
"Iowans like a message
"Huckabee gave them a message, which was populist
"Iowa voters don't want Wall Street running our country anymore,
"they want someone who will look out for the little guy"
who have been there before,
they really do want a change, and change in direction
He said this is why they voted for Huckabee
since he offers them what they truly want
then it is very likely voters in other States will choose Ron Paul for these same reasons
And it is immensely positive for the Ron Paul campaign, that the majority of our country
wants a change from the establishment and the establishment's way of doing things
#414. To: palo verde (#413)
#415. To: Fred Mertz (#414)
I am smiling with pleasure at your post
you are so nice to me
Love, Palo
#416. To: Fred Mertz, ALL (#414)
It really did strike me when I heard that Iowa poltical journalist explain why Iowans voted for Huckabee
He said what message it was that Huckabee gave, that Iowans wanted
(and what Huckabee would never deliver on)
and will deliver on
If media won't let him
he must use all that money supporters gave him to plaster TV with ads week before the Primaries
Good ads! So they know exactly who Ron Paul is, what he stands for,
what he wants and what he will do
that all voters need is to know Ron Paul, and they will vote for him
Love, Palo
and what they want is what Ron Paul will give them
how can this not be great news for us
we just have to let all voters know Ron Paul
#417. To: Peppa, iconoclast, TwentyTwelve, christine, FormerLurker, All (#397)
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election.
"Life is tough; it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
#418. To: Critter (#263)
Maybe it's time to finish up those 69gr .223 rounds I started a couple of months ago.
#419. To: palo verde (#416)
#420. To: Original_Intent (#417)
Either Americans are interested in holding their heads up and walking the walk of the free man or they are willing to trade their liberty for chains and the illusion that they are "being taken care of".
#421. To: Original_Intent (#419)
hugs and kisses, Palo
#422. To: TwentyTwelve (#420)
#423. To: TwentyTwelve (#420)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#424. To: Original_Intent (#422)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#425. To: who knows what evil (#424)
An astounding number of them showed up at the cauci (plural for 'caucus', right?) last night without having ANY IDEA who to vote for. They made up their mind at the CAUCUS. Geez...
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#426. To: palo verde (#421)
#427. To: palo verde (#416)
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#428. To: Original_Intent (#422)
Given that - a lot of what they know to be true ain't.
#429. To: who knows what evil (#423)
#430. To: TwentyTwelve (#428)
What is the average Iowan IQ?
#431. To: palo verde (#415)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#432. To: Original_Intent (#417)
The message is the same one Thomas Jefferson offered - Liberty and a government bound from mischief with firm constraints.
#433. To: TwentyTwelve (#428)
#434. To: palo verde (#421)
GO Ron GO!!
#435. To: Cynicom (#412)
#436. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#433)
#437. To: TwentyTwelve (#436)
The Establishment's Voting Machines
#438. To: Original_Intent (#426)
#439. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#437)
#440. To: TwentyTwelve (#439)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#441. To: Peppa (#440)
#442. To: Peppa, All (#440)
#443. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#440)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#444. To: TwentyTwelve (#442)
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape.
#445. To: Cynicom (#412)
(Edited)
That is reality and I would believe that most people accept that. That however does not allow me and most other Americans here to sit on the sidelines doing nothing. That is your option and welcome to it. Most of the good people here are made of sterner material.
#446. To: Original_Intent, All (#443)
#447. To: Original_Intent (#443)
Isn't technology wonderful?
#448. To: TwentyTwelve (#446)
#449. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#445)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#450. To: Cynicom (#412)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#451. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
Looks like rain tomorrow.
#452. To: Peppa (#447)
What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
#453. To: Original_Intent (#452)
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
#454. To: Peppa (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#455. To: Cynicom (#454)
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
#456. To: Peppa (#455)
backup plan.
#457. To: farmfriend (#431)
Love, Palo
#458. To: Cynicom (#456)
When any army goes into battle, they have at least two plans.
#459. To: Peppa (#458)
We certainly need to think about Plan B.
#460. To: PnbC (#427)
My initial hope a couple of weeks ago was that he would do only okay in Iowa, thus throwing off-guard his neocon msm detractors, but would then would astound the pundits with him pulling first or second in New Hampshire and beyond. I hope this is the case.
way too many people have moved to that State for "live free or die" to mean anything to them
naturally I hope I am wrong, I would love a Ron Paul win there
I see him coming in 3rd there
and then starting to win primaries...
#461. To: Peppa (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#462. To: Peppa, palo verde, Cynicom, christine (#458)
We certainly need to think about Plan B.
#463. To: Peppa (#458)
#464. To: palo verde (#460)
Right now I'm guessing Ron Paul will come in 4th in New Hampshire
#465. To: buckeye (#462)
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together.
#466. To: Cynicom (#459)
I have already floated a revised Plan A...
#467. To: who knows what evil, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#423)
(who knows) Jesus advised His followers to "be wise as serpents"... didn't see too many 'serpents' in the crowd last night. :-(
they voted for the message
I was stunned when the Iowa political journalist gave Huckabee's message,
because a lot of it is Ron Paul's
Huckabee would never deliver on it
Ron Paul will
So all Ron has to do is get out his message to ALL
government would continue to be run for special interests
Only President Ron Paul will represent citizens and their interests
we must have him in our Oval Office
Love, Palo
#468. To: Peppa (#466)
#469. To: buckeye (#462)
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together.
#470. To: buckeye, Peppa, Cynicom, Original_Intent. who knows what evil, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#462)
I want Ron in the Oval Office this time next year
and we will have it!!!
Love, Palo
#471. To: Original_Intent (#463)
Plan B is "Samizdat" - telephone trees of FAX machines and people putting up local dial in BBS's again.
#472. To: Cynicom (#468)
Pep...
#473. To: palo verde (#470)
LOL I'm not into Plan B I want Ron in the Oval Office this time next year and we will have it!!! Love, Palo
#474. To: palo verde, Peppa, Original_Intent, Cynicom (#470)
#475. To: Original_Intent, buckeye, ALL (#465)
(OI to buckeye)
Sage advice. We have developed some momentum and we need to remain cohesive as a group even in the face of temporary set backs.
20-20 hindsight we could have done better in Iowa if Ron Paul ads
had been plastered all over TV 24/7 week before Primary
Did we know Iowans vote for the message, not the candidate with the money and the organization
Now we know it
Iowans are perfect emblem of citizens of USA
they too will vote for the message, not the moeny or organization
SO WE ARE ALL SET
ALL SYSTEMS ARE ON GO!!
We just have to make sure all hear Ron Paul's message now
Love, Palo
#476. To: Peppa (#473)
I refuse to be prepared to lose
because we won't
Palo
#477. To: buckeye (#474)
I think all of this is way bigger than we are.
The important thing for me is to know that as long as I am pressing for freedom some way, some how, I can be satisfied that I'm doing something.
Anything is better than being cynical and discouraged
there's no way we can lose
I love you
Palo
figuring out what they will do when they lose everything :)
#478. To: palo verde, , Original_Intent (#475)
What setback have we had?
#479. To: buckeye (#474)
I actually think this is a normal state of existence for any human being at any point in history.
The forces of tyranny come from within our natures, and are in each of us, every day.
Without continual defense, liberty will always be easily overcome -- even by the very efforts being used to defend it (as we've seen after 9/11).
tyranny is upheld by deceit
and don't forget truth requires no effort
but believing something false, requires constant monumental effort to keep it in place
Love, Palo
I missed you so much
smooooch
#480. To: buckeye (#478)
do not think that ads would have worked. The public believes that the news media are on their side, on the side of freedom. If they do not hear about Ron Paul on every channel, in each news broadcast, being interviewed and cross-examined by trusted thinkers, they will assume that he is a crank. That wouldn't be changed by expensive ads.
I just know what I learned from the Iowa primary is citizens will vote for Ron Paul if they hear his message
so somehow his message has to reach all, and Pronto
Love, Palo
#481. To: palo verde (#479)
tyranny is upheld by deceit
#482. To: buckeye (#478)
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news,
gathering his own intellectuals together,
and having them interview him with questions that make sense.
This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
Love, Palo
#483. To: palo verde (#480)
I wish I had some talent for campaigns, but I don't
#484. To: buckeye (#481)
The Age of Aquarius will never come for us
this is why we must put all our eggs in one basket and elect Ron Paul now
it determines whether the next 4 years will be heaven or hell for us
after that all on planet will be enlightened, there won't be a problem
I know you don't see it this way, but it doesn't matter
all that matters is we love each other now, and unite our minds now, to make Ron Paul our president now
2012 will come soon enough, and we will see what happens then :)
Love, Palo (you already knew I was a new age flake, but you like me anyway :)
#485. To: Original_Intent (#461)
Better if we can do this peacefully. However, they are psychotics and will not give up their death grip willingly.
#486. To: palo verde (#484)
after that all on planet will be enlightened, there won't be a problem
#487. To: buckeye (#474)
The important thing for me is to know that as long as I am pressing for freedom some way, some how, I can be satisfied that I'm doing something.
#488. To: Peppa (#485)
Its in the eyes. . .
#489. To: palo verde (#476)
my lovely darling, I am prepared to win I refuse to be prepared to lose because we won't
#490. To: buckeye (#478)
Ron Paul needs to start making his own news, gathering his own intellectuals together, and having them interview him with questions that make sense. This 10% support in the Iowa caucus means that he has a few days to do this.
#491. To: buckeye (#483)
Keep praying for miracles, Palo. You seem to have a good connection.
I admit it will take a lot of miracles to put him there
But it took a lot of miracles for our country to be born in the first place
I am sure appearances were against it when it was first conceived
because there is an ocean of support for him out there
and you can't stop an ocean
100,000 people gave money because of this
for each one who gave money there are 50 who want Ron Paul to be president just as badly
but did not give money
(help in other ways)
this is a lot of people
and there are more each day
the politicl class is so expert at this
we are so new at it
I wish I was better at this
but we have all our minds to join, we can learn from each other
together we can be smart even if I can't on my own
Love, Palo
#492. To: Original_Intent (#488)
So, it's either that or Norman Bates - it's in the eyes.
#493. To: Peppa, buckeye, ALL (#490)
(by Peppa)
Love, Palo
#494. To: palo verde (#493)
EXCELLENT POST!! Love, Palo
#495. To: Peppa (#489)
I'll be the baton twirler in the parade.
when we have our celebration party on eve of Ron Paul's Inauguration
and thank each other for all we did
your baton twirling will have first mention
kisses, Palo
#496. To: palo verde (#491)
because there is an ocean of support for him out there
#497. To: Peppa, Original_Intent (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
which it is
this is my kind of revolution, I am non-violent
I will give it all I've got
Love, Palo
#498. To: palo verde (#493)
100,000 people gave money because of this
#499. To: palo verde (#495)
you are a great baton twirler, Peppa when we have our celebration party on eve of Ron Paul's Inauguration and thank each other for all we did your baton twirling will have first mention kisses, Palo
#500. To: Peppa, palo verde (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#501. To: buckeye (#496)
(Palo) there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there
I gave my grounds for an ocean of support for Ron Paul
what is the latest statistic of those who donated money?
something like 114,000 people, it could be higher now
I explained for each one who gave cold hard cash, there are 50 who support him just as passonately who didn't
not everyone has extra cash right now
(I have some friends in that category)
this is how critical mass works
Nor is it 25 percent of the whole, nor even 10 percent of the whole, nor even 5 percent of the whole.
Critical mass is reached when 2 to 4 percent of the whole is affected.
The boiling point is not reached at the point when over half of the surface is bubbling, but long before.
The effect of critical mass is exponential.
That's what makes it so powerful.
A few bubbles break the surface of the water... then, in a sudden rush, all of the water is boiling.''
#502. To: palo verde (#501)
added to that number, and that must be millions
#503. To: buckeye (#500)
Are we intelligent enough to counter this form of manipulation honestly?
#504. To: Peppa (#503)
First, this whole process is a show to keep the sheep believing in a two-party system.
2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
#505. To: palo verde (#501)
#506. To: buckeye (#504)
To: Peppa
#507. To: buckeye, Peppa, who knows what evil, ALL (#500)
Please pay attention to this: Obama and Huckabee have alerted the media that they ARE the revolution. Do you understand this? I came to understand this sinister effect on TOS. People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements." They are fake. But they work. People still at TOS think they're the vast right wing conspiracy.
so that issue is not decisive in this election
I will deal with that when Ron Paul has to run against Obama in general election
(both Dem and Pub voters)
We know Ron Paul is the only real McCoy
We would be foolish to expect anything from the media now
they won't help us
because we found out voters want that message and will want him
Love, Palo
it was thought giving him all the money would do it
but obviously it isn't doing it
because the money has to be used to get out his message effectively to ALL
and we don't know if his campaign staff has the talent to do that
but others do
they should post their two cents
and post it on the Ron Paul official site too
but there are others on this forum who do have good ideas on this
I have read their posts
Peppa has some good ideas, and who knows what evil has good ideas too
and so do many others
I am the only one who is not good at this...
#508. To: Peppa (#506)
#509. To: buckeye (#500)
People are led to believe that the "MSM" is in charge, and that small pockets of resistance (e.g. TOS) are leading the velvet junta to throw off the chains. Splinters of leadership are broken away from the "Establishment" to resurface behind these new "movements."
#510. To: Dakmar (#505)
Hi palo,
my Ron Paul meet-up group has been indefatigable
altho I am not a good member
they have an action every week-end
they work non-stop to elect Ron Paul
mostly they hold up signs too, in front of the mall, etc
Love, Palo
#511. To: palo verde (#507)
Tancredo was the anti-immigration candidate and he got nowhere so that issue is not decisive in this election
#512. To: Dakmar (#509)
Anyone But Ron Paul, so when he speaks of dismantling the IRS the smart GOP operatives see this as a way to co-opt free thinking.
#513. To: palo verde (#480)
#514. To: buckeye, Peppa, Dakmar, lodwick, ALL (#504)
(buckeye) I think Ron Paul's campaign (and we independently) need to show that there are simple, if not a little difficult, steps to take to change the country for the better that will not be done under any other candidacy.
2. Show the people that Ron Paul has a non-revolutionary set of changes that are positive, and that he's honest.
you didn't buy my first insight that there is an ocean of support for Ron Paul out there
the second inisght is Ron Paul is the only candidate who cannot be bought off
this is crucial, because it is the one thing needed
I am going by my own experience on this
I was unwilling to be shown anything by anyone
I had to be willing to see it on my own
but once I was willing to see truth, it jumped out at me, it couldn't be missed
#515. To: Critter (#513)
thank you
Love, Palo
#516. To: palo verde (#510)
#517. To: palo verde (#514)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
#518. To: buckeye (#508)
This video beats around the bush, though. It should QUOTE Huckabee saying that he's not linked to the elites or the establishment, and then show that taxes are FOR the Establishment, and FOR elite agendas.
#519. To: buckeye (#517)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything Of course it is!
#520. To: buckeye (#511)
...I'm going to give you an assignment, if you are willing to accept. Why don't you pick three top journalistic media personalities each of whom you believe has a strain of fairness, or the potential to have it awakened, and make it your personal mission to contact their offices with the idea of persuading them to give Ron Paul effective, honest, and critical coverage? No need for their flattery. No need for them to hide anything. Just give him coverage.
I don't know if I can get his ear again, I bombarded him with emails last week
when Ron Paul was excluded from the Fox GOP debate on January 6th
Has Fox reversed that decision yet?
and I would very much like him to interview Ron Paul
he is fair, he is honest
Only Brit Hume held onto it
I became addicted to posting on political forums
maybe there are are new journalists around who are honest and trustworthy
I'll start to watch TV again
#521. To: buckeye, Palo Verde (#519)
I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything Of course it is! People will only see it when they are ready to wake up.
#522. To: All (#521)
#523. To: palo verde (#520)
Has Fox reversed that decision yet?
#524. To: Peppa, palo verde (#522)
Goodnight all!
#525. To: Peppa, buckeye, ALL (#519)
(Palo) I don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
The truth is always out there to be seen
if we put some other value ahead of truth, we will not see truth
IMHO
Love, Palo
#526. To: Peppa (#522)
Love, Palo
#527. To: palo verde (#525)
People do what they want to do, if they want to see they will see, if they don't want to see they won't
No one can deceive us, we can only deceive ourselves
#528. To: buckeye, Dakmar, critter, all (#517)
(Palo) I personally don't think it is possible to show anyone anything
But keep in mind that the SHOWING is done via the media, to a large extent.
This is why we need to keep a very strong focus on encouraging them to cover the story of the century
but I don't think they will cover it
The military industrial complex sets the foreign policy for our government now to serve their greed
Ron Paul will change all that
and of course Brit Hume is a GREAT interviewer, I would love him to do an interview with Ron Paul. Brit is the best
I say we will win, no matter what big media does do or doesn't do
Love, Palo
#529. To: palo verde (#528)
I will think about this some more, but right now I don't see how big media will give Ron Paul a fair shake?
#530. To: Dakmar (#516)
Caucusing at malls and berms isn't everyone's idea of a good time, I get it. Have you given any thought to helping with letter writing campaign?
I was a political activist in my early twenties
I loved it
I had a ball
political activism is a lot of fun
altho they do say when minds join for truth, nothing can stop it happening
isn't that what we are doing on net together
and I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
maybe I will be more activist
I hope so
Love, Palo
#531. To: Peppa, yertle turtle (#333)
I was so 'in' until the Yertle Turtle part. ;)
#532. To: buckeye (#527)
The voters have to KNOW who Ron Paul is, first. Ads alone won't do it. The Internet alone won't do it.
the one thing needed now is for everyone to know who Ron Paul is
how to accomplish that I do not know
that is why I am on this thread
to hear others ideas
why not go for ads and infomercials
paid tv time
#533. To: palo verde (#530)
I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
#534. To: palo verde (#532)
Ron Paul has a ton of dough now why not go for ads and infomercials paid tv time
#535. To: buckeye (#529)
I was on first name basis at post office
I learned a great deal from that experience
which is people do what they want to do, and don't do what they don't want to do
after that I stopped wasting my breath
(I wanted clinton impeached and removed from office with all my heart)
this time just to congressmen and to Brit Hume
but I only wrote to those who were willing to stop it
to urge them on
no?
#536. To: palo verde (#535)
#537. To: Dakmar (#533)
(Palo) I want a Ron Paul yardsign but haven't figured out how to get one
I will show up at the next meet-up action, maybe they will have a sign to give me then
Love, Palo
#538. To: buckeye (#534)
women's lib did a lot of actions after that, but that was the most effective one
and they are deliberately not covering it
#539. To: Peppa (#444)
Does the degree of the Hickabee win make sense to you?
#540. To: palo verde (#467)
A Huckabee win, would not change a thing government would continue to be run for special interests
#541. To: palo verde (#538)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#542. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#543. To: palo verde (#538)
but you are right some creative thinking into action should happen now
#544. To: palo verde (#538)
#545. To: palo verde (#538)
no one heard of women's liberation till women's libbers protested the Miss America Contest and burnt their bras
#546. To: angle (#386)
(Edited)
#547. To: tom007 (#540)
I went to HS with Mike and he is (was?) a good guy person to person, but is a state loving authoritarian. If you like the way things have been going Mike's the man for you.
Mike seems like a very nice guy, but your post reinforces my impression,
nothing would change if he were Prez
He's an outsider who wants to be an insider
not Ron Paul, who wants to change gov. to serve citizens, not special interests
Love, Palo
#548. To: Ferret Mike (#546)
#549. To: buckeye, lodwick, critter, Peppa, Robin, ALL (#543)
(buckeye) I just watched Bill Moyers interviewing Ron Paul.
When you can watch streaming video of this, if it's uploaded, please do.
It was a great interview, one of the best!
Bill Moyers asked similar questions, and the focus was on media reform.
Of course the two leaders had different views; one collectivist, the other free market.
Sun has not yet risen in Tucson
I want to see the interview, I want to see both
Thank you very much for telling me about it
Mega thanks to Bill Moyers for doing it
Love, Palo
#550. To: lodwick (#541)
Have a lovely week-end my sweet friend
Love, Palo
#551. To: palo verde, Critter (#549)
#552. To: angle (#548)
How do you reconcile the erroneous "Paul = Republican Neo Con" to people in that circle?
#553. To: palo verde (#547)
He's an outsider who wants to be an insider
#554. To: tom007 (#553)
Good post!
Love, Palo
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