Paul actually WON Jefferson County (the smart Iowans, apparently); but the totals haven't been tallied yet. (It was around 400...won't help him catch McCain/Thompson, but might boot him to 11%.) A couple of other counties out that way missing, as well.
Ron Paul got punked. For all the money the dumbass Paultards gave him that they should have been applying to trailer payments, he couldn't do shit. This was his best opportunity -- drag the losers who don't have anything better to do out to polls to vote for Dr. Islam in a caucas.
It's a fauxcus fer COL. Not to be associated with an actual primary where one can vote privately...
Gotta admire those brave Iowans who stood for Paul inspite of the pressure surrounding them to do otherwise.
Imagine the credibility of a such process in a precinct where teamsters rule. "uhmmm, you wanna think about that? Maybe you wanna rethink ya choice der eh bro?"
Here it looks like the evangicals were orchestrating the fauxcus.
#332. To: who knows what evil, Peppa, critter, dakmar, ALL (#323)
One should remember that Bush has a 70 PER CENT approval rating in Iowa...that is WAY out of sync with the rest (normal) part of the country. For Paul to finish just 2% out of THIRD in a state like that is actually quite the accomplishment!
I am finding that Marion Berry Cobbler and French Vanilla Ice Cream is a good comfort food for tonight.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think he told the Iowans at the straw poll that he wasn't for corn subsidies.
Precisely.
A good campaign would have anticipated the issue and would have had an honest but nuanced reply at the ready.
A campaign is not a Political Science lecture.
A good response could have been something along the lines of:
"It is not the Federal Government's job to tell Farmers what crops to grow, and that is exactly what a subsidy does - it locks farmers into raising those crops which attract the highest subsidies out of someone else's pocket. It is unfair to the farmer and to the person whose pocket is being picked for the subsidy, and it is NOT one of the Federal Government's Constitutionally defined duties. I do favor lower taxes which do not penalize farmers for being successful."
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I offer raw sugar, cinnamon, and cream. No replacement spoons. ;) LOLOL!
That's fine - too many spoons and it starts taking on a metallic taste anyway.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No one else could be convincingly promoted to winner in Iowa as it is a Bible Belt State.
Nonsense. Back to Geography 101 for you.
I am sure there were some major shenanigans with the vote.
Utter nonsense. I'll bet the coach didn't like you either. Grow up.
It will be interesting to see what the Poll Watchers and Vote Canvassers have to report in the morning. I am sure there will be indications of widespread fraud, but the people controlling the enforcement arm are part of the fraud operation, and the Lamestream Media will go 24/7 saying "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, "It's a Conspiracy Theory", it's sour grapes, etc., ...
Sleep tight tonight .... but don't forget to check under your bed.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
And the Coach lovvvvvvvvved me. I am a killer Pass Rusher. Not quite as good against the run, but good enough to keep the other team honest. And I scored a Touchdown once playing Center - the ball was tipped and I recovered it in the End Zone by sliding in on my back and trapping it against my chest.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
With that attitude we will be losing elections far past my demise.
The American people vote with their hearts and their pocketbooks.
The typical voter is not a political junkie. He/she is wary of anger and quick fixes. Right now he/she is disatisfied and wants change. The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change.
The majority of Americans are resistant to and fearful of radical change (i.e. quick fixes) otherwise we would have gone even further left during the Great Depression.
I'm not suggesting that we should not have pushed for a "revolution", just that we should go hunting with a rifle and not a blunderbuss.
The campaign so far has had as its focus converting America to libertarianism, not winning a national election. The result, if we fail to regroup, will be losing on both counts.
Icon,
I may have mentioned I was in a 'mood'. I didn't mean to offend or discourage anyone. Just a little reactionary personal hissy fit. It does not take away my resolve to do all that I can.
You make some excellent points though. !!!!
I don't agree with you on one of them right now, but, it's food for thought, and I will give it that.
We won't fail to regroup.
I think all of this discussion makes us all stronger.
A good response could have been something along the lines of:
"It is not the Federal Government's job to tell Farmers what crops to grow, and that is exactly what a subsidy does - it locks farmers into raising those crops which attract the highest subsidies out of someone else's pocket. It is unfair to the farmer and to the person whose pocket is being picked for the subsidy, and it is NOT one of the Federal Government's Constitutionally defined duties. I do favor lower taxes which do not penalize farmers for being successful."
You're a great "straight man".
That's sounds right out of Ron's (political science) play book.
Try this one on for size for a "contendah":
"I do not believe corn based ethanol is a good economic answer to the energy crisis (big Huckabee smile) but if I were your Congressman, I would most certainly forward your wishes to the floor in the form of a bill. (Another big Huckabee smile).
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. There is a difference between a political answer and an honest answer. Ron Paul is what he is, and I am what I am. The reason I like him, and was a supporter long before this campaign was even hinted at, is that willingness to stand on principle and tell it the way it is.
Farm subsidies are not a favor to the farmer. It is nothing more than welfare farming. That suckers can't, or don't, get it is why they are suckers and will remain chattels. As long as you play to their ignorance they will remain ignorant. Of course one can't put is so bluntly, but you can only go so far and remain true to your principles.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This is a decidedly Christian nation. All vote seekers need to keep that in mind. Having said that, I further assert that your placement of Iowa in the Bible belt is a first for me.
And the Coach lovvvvvvvvved me. I am a killer Pass Rusher. Not quite as good against the run, but good enough to keep the other team honest. And I scored a Touchdown once playing Center - the ball was tipped and I recovered it in the End Zone by sliding in on my back and trapping it against my chest.
Ah, memories! ;-)
They can't take those away from us.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
The typical Ron Paul supporter is angry (and I am one of them) and demanding change.
You just defined the Ron Paul Revolution. I'm a burned-out Republican tired of being lied to by a GOP that is going to hell two steps behind the Demonrats.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck