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Title: Live Iowa Caucus Thread
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Live CSPAN Republican Caucus Coverage
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Published: Jan 3, 2008
Author: Me, I guess
Post Date: 2008-01-03 19:53:13 by Critter
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Views: 14828
Comments: 554
I figured we should have an official caucus thread, no? Click here to view live CSPAN coverage
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#437. To: TwentyTwelve (#436)
Thanks TT. Damn. If all the people woke up at the same time and acknowledged this, would it make any difference?
"For there is one thing we must never forget… the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards." -- Adolf Hitler
www.iowagop.net/straw.poll.asp Iowa Straw Poll Results (Augusts 11, 2007) Mitt Romney Wins Iowa Straw Poll With attendance of 33,000 and votes cast by more than 14,000, Republican party officials called the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll a resounding success. No one was more pleased than Governor Mitt Romney who received 4,516 votes to win the Straw Poll. In second place Governor Mike Huckabee earned 2,587 votes and was followed by Senator Sam Brownback who received 2,192 ballots cast in his favor. In a close fourth, U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo received 1,961 votes. In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305. Governor Tommy Thompson finished in sixth place with 1,029 votes and was followed by seventh place finisher, and undeclared candidate, Fred Thompson who had 203 votes cast for him. Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 183 votes for eighth place followed by U.S. Representative Duncan Hunter in ninth place with 174 votes. Senator John McCain, in 10th position, got 101 votes. And finishing last with 41 votes was John Cox. "Reports of the demise of the Iowa Straw Poll were premature and proven false today," stated Ray Hoffmann, chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa. "Activists turned out in great numbers to support their candidates despite a heat index exceeding 100 degrees. The atmosphere here rivaled that of the State Fair." New voting procedures were in place at the Iowa Straw Poll which required presentation and validation of a photo ID along with a ticket. "Iowans proudly stepped up to meet our voting requirements," Chuck Laudner, executive director of the Republican Party of Iowa, remarked. "To see more than 14,000 purple thumbs on this campus was thrilling." With theses new voting procedures in place, party officials were confident all votes were cast by Iowans only. "Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs," Laudner explained. "Our process guaranteed the one person, one vote ideal was upheld. We believe photo identification should be required before any vote is cast in Iowa elections and today we proved the process was not only possible, it was effective and efficient." The Iowa Straw Poll continues a decades' long tradition of testing candidates' organizational strength, bringing likely caucus-goers together, and winnowing the field. In the 1999 caucus, 89,000 participated. Today's Straw Poll vote tally represents more than 15 percent of that total, the most representative sample of likely voters' opinions, Laudner concluded.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much.
In fifth place was U.S. Representative Ron Paul with 1,305."
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape. The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest.
This bugs me. Checking the ID, fine. Scanning it in WITH your vote, not so much. Isn't technology wonderful? You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The Iowa straw poll (8/11/07) was one of Ron Paul's lowest. Does the degree of the Hickabee win make sense to you?
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure??????? Not true. The Paulbots claim that the reason RP is running in the GOP primaries is because the GOP is the vehicle for him winning the presidency. Of course, they are going to do a 180 now and state that RP is only making all this noise to 'educate' the consumers. It's quite pathetic, if you make an effort to think about it. What upsets me is not the fact that RP has 'zero chances' to win the presidency but the fact that he actually had a chance to win it and it all went down to waste because he stayed with one of the 2 criminal political 2-parties. It's a huge waste. As for the educating of the consumers... a dozen 30-second sound-bites on the teevee does not educate a consumer. Want to educate the people? Write a book.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO] Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire.
You don't suspect that they could "flip" votes using software in a "Black Box"? Why that would be dishonest coming from the "mostest moral party in Amurka". Absolutely. I believe ItisAlmostTooLate posted a video once of testimony taken in the Ohio debacle, where the programmer testified to the fact of such. It's an incredible video, and the judges were so shocked. (Ahem.) What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
Who cares...they just marginalize him anyway and he's in the ABC Poll and he got PLENTY of press about the Faux poll, so overall, not a bad thing.
Live free or die.
Vast... Looks like rain tomorrow.
Well, if you want me to predict the future it's... plastics, for as long as we can get the hydrocarbs to make them. Or, maybe genetic engineering so that our offspring could be more like lions than like dogs or cows. Or maybe there CAN be a new frontier, somewhere in space. The most plausible post-Ron Paul future, IMHO, it's a world increasingly maintained by robotic devices - just got the Missus a robotic vacuum cleaner for Xmas - while humans immerse themselves into VR games and get so fat and real-world-lazy, they can no longer move. If the humes die off before the bots get self-sufficient, then it's the end of it. If the bots are capable of self-maintenance and self-improvement before the last human kicks the bucket then... why would they take advantage of such capability anyway. Unless... they find religion.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Looks like rain tomorrow.
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In my heart, I'm with you here. I believe in and have seen some small miracles with respect to RP's campaign and the people supporting it. Then there is my mind. My nagging mind. Always incredulous why people still go to movies where the young girl goes in to check out a weird sound in an old abandoned house, after finding something dead on the porch. Or something like that. A part of this brain of mine says, the PTB are pushing the public into a corner to goad them into revolt. Then plans laid to deal with such can be put into action. If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
I better clean up the musket then. There's always griping and whining from the sidelines as a backup plan.
When any army goes into battle, they have at least two plans. Plan A...How to win. Plan B...Having lost, how do we salvage something to fight another day.
Thank you Farmfriend for your warm friendly post
Plan A...How to win. Plan B...Having lost, how do we salvage something to fight another day. We know this is going to be a long battle. Contigencies need to explored now if, politically speaking, internet freedom or access, ceases. We certainly need to think about Plan B.
I have already floated a revised Plan A... And an outline for Plan B...
In any event, Paul has two delegates so far for the convention, and unlike most Republican delegates, are unlikely to change their votes to accommodate any of the other candidates, causing possible gridlock at the convention (it's either Ron Paul or nobody). Stay tuned. Jan 8 will have me glued to the computer/tv. I'll be off from work and it's also my birthday. A Ron Paul victory will be the best present in years Happy birthday darling, I wish you a wonderful birthday and a wonderful year Right now I'm guessing Ron Paul will come in 4th in New Hampshire altho oddly enough I think South Carolina is looking good for Ron Love, Palo I am still convinced this time next year he will be in our Oval Office GO RON GO!!!
I would tend to agree. At this point they, the NWO/Rothschilds/Rockefellers, have enough of their Police State apparatus in place that an armed insurrection would be very very very bloody. We might well prevail but the cost would likely be staggering. Better if we can do this peacefully. However, they are psychotics and will not give up their death grip willingly.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together. Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum.
Plan B is "Samizdat" - telephone trees of FAX machines and people putting up local dial in BBS's again.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This is really up to the Ron Paul campaign. They need to make news now. Call press conferences, which I seldom see happening. Roll out attack ads that will point out that only RON PAUL means change.
Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Sage advice. We have developed some momentum and we need to remain cohesive as a group even in the face of temporary set backs.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
And an outline for Plan B... You did? I must have ADD, because I missed it. Would you point me to it?
I am content with how the Iowa voters did A Huckabee win, would not change a thing
Pep... I did not float it here. I will try to use PM for you.
Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Your right Buckeye. In it for the long haul. Your ideas are excellent. Remember how to do what we're doing now always, and keep talking. Don't let any setbacks slow down the momentum. Taken to heart.
LOL I'm not into Plan B GO RON GO!!!
Going old school. We can do that!!
I did not float it here. I will try to use PM for you. Okay.
I love your enthusiasm Palo!! I like Plan A better too. But, just in case, Always Be Prepared. :)
I think all of this is way bigger than we are. The important thing for me is to know that as long as I am pressing for freedom some way, some how, I can be satisfied that I'm doing something. Anything is better than being cynical and discouraged. I actually think this is a normal state of existence for any human being at any point in history. The forces of tyranny come from within our natures, and are in each of us, every day. Without continual defense, liberty will always be easily overcome -- even by the very efforts being used to defend it (as we've seen after 9/11).
What setback have we had?
my lovely darling, I am prepared to win I love you
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#438. To: Original_Intent (#426)
#439. To: Peppa, Original_Intent, Critter, FOH (#437)
#440. To: TwentyTwelve (#439)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#441. To: Peppa (#440)
#442. To: Peppa, All (#440)
#443. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#440)
"Tickets were punched then scanned along with photo IDs,"
#444. To: TwentyTwelve (#442)
If the straws polls are accurate, than Ron Paul is in great shape.
#445. To: Cynicom (#412)
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That is reality and I would believe that most people accept that. That however does not allow me and most other Americans here to sit on the sidelines doing nothing. That is your option and welcome to it. Most of the good people here are made of sterner material.
#446. To: Original_Intent, All (#443)
#447. To: Original_Intent (#443)
Isn't technology wonderful?
#448. To: TwentyTwelve (#446)
#449. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#445)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#450. To: Cynicom (#412)
Now, will you please show us your thinking post a Ron Paul failure???????
#451. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#450)
Looks like rain tomorrow.
#452. To: Peppa (#447)
What I'm really getting at here, is future political persecution.
#453. To: Original_Intent (#452)
That happens only if we allow it. We still have the power to turn back the darkness trying to envelop us. That is why they are working so hard to marginalize Ron Paul because if large numbers of people wake up to that FACT they cannot stop the ensuing Tidal Swell.
#454. To: Peppa (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#455. To: Cynicom (#454)
Americans tried that once, it did'nt work.
#456. To: Peppa (#455)
backup plan.
#457. To: farmfriend (#431)
Love, Palo
#458. To: Cynicom (#456)
When any army goes into battle, they have at least two plans.
#459. To: Peppa (#458)
We certainly need to think about Plan B.
#460. To: PnbC (#427)
My initial hope a couple of weeks ago was that he would do only okay in Iowa, thus throwing off-guard his neocon msm detractors, but would then would astound the pundits with him pulling first or second in New Hampshire and beyond. I hope this is the case.
way too many people have moved to that State for "live free or die" to mean anything to them
naturally I hope I am wrong, I would love a Ron Paul win there
I see him coming in 3rd there
and then starting to win primaries...
#461. To: Peppa (#453)
If people simply wake up, channelling it towards peaceful revolution would seem to be the best response.
#462. To: Peppa, palo verde, Cynicom, christine (#458)
We certainly need to think about Plan B.
#463. To: Peppa (#458)
#464. To: palo verde (#460)
Right now I'm guessing Ron Paul will come in 4th in New Hampshire
#465. To: buckeye (#462)
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together.
#466. To: Cynicom (#459)
I have already floated a revised Plan A...
#467. To: who knows what evil, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#423)
(who knows) Jesus advised His followers to "be wise as serpents"... didn't see too many 'serpents' in the crowd last night. :-(
they voted for the message
I was stunned when the Iowa political journalist gave Huckabee's message,
because a lot of it is Ron Paul's
Huckabee would never deliver on it
Ron Paul will
So all Ron has to do is get out his message to ALL
government would continue to be run for special interests
Only President Ron Paul will represent citizens and their interests
we must have him in our Oval Office
Love, Palo
#468. To: Peppa (#466)
#469. To: buckeye (#462)
I want to make sure that when people promise that they're in this for the long haul, that they realize that it may take 9 more years to elect a freedom candidate if RP isn't elected. RP supporters need to make ties with each other that are LASTING. Get names and phone numbers. Exchange Christmas cards. Meet for ball games and barbecues. Get your families together. Start businesses together.
#470. To: buckeye, Peppa, Cynicom, Original_Intent. who knows what evil, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#462)
I want Ron in the Oval Office this time next year
and we will have it!!!
Love, Palo
#471. To: Original_Intent (#463)
Plan B is "Samizdat" - telephone trees of FAX machines and people putting up local dial in BBS's again.
#472. To: Cynicom (#468)
Pep...
#473. To: palo verde (#470)
LOL I'm not into Plan B I want Ron in the Oval Office this time next year and we will have it!!! Love, Palo
#474. To: palo verde, Peppa, Original_Intent, Cynicom (#470)
#475. To: Original_Intent, buckeye, ALL (#465)
(OI to buckeye)
Sage advice. We have developed some momentum and we need to remain cohesive as a group even in the face of temporary set backs.
20-20 hindsight we could have done better in Iowa if Ron Paul ads
had been plastered all over TV 24/7 week before Primary
Did we know Iowans vote for the message, not the candidate with the money and the organization
Now we know it
Iowans are perfect emblem of citizens of USA
they too will vote for the message, not the moeny or organization
SO WE ARE ALL SET
ALL SYSTEMS ARE ON GO!!
We just have to make sure all hear Ron Paul's message now
Love, Palo
#476. To: Peppa (#473)
I refuse to be prepared to lose
because we won't
Palo
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