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Title: Paulites For Obama? (ANDREW SULLIVAN)
Source: Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
URL Source: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c ... 8/01/paulites-for-ob.html#more
Published: Jan 4, 2008
Author: Andrew Sullivan
Post Date: 2008-01-04 11:38:55 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 179
Comments: 9

Paulites For Obama?

How can I write "The Conservative Soul" and find myself rooting for Obama? How can my core beliefs resonate with the libertarianism of Ron Paul and yet allow for support of an urban liberal like Obama? Good questions. One short answer: because conservatism faces a deeper threat from corrupt Republicans than from honest liberals. Because, after eight years of big government Christianism, a unifying liberalism is something I can live with. Because I want to win the long war against the Jihadists - and we need to unite the country again to do it. Because grow-ups know that any democratic society needs at least two parties and that the alternation of right and left - without tipping into extremism - is a healthy thing. And then - what this reader wrote:

I have a fondness for Ron Paul because he’s the first candidate for president whose views actually mirror my own in most respects, but Barak Obama is the first to actually inspire me. And if anecdotal evidence compiled from my like-minded friends is worth anything, I’m not alone.

We disagree with his political philosophy and very nearly all his positions, and yet are drawn to him and universally agree that we’d be proud to have him as our president. And maybe that pride is enough. We were too young at the time to really understand Reagan, and since we’ve had nothing but a litany of poor choices with unsurprising results. If we can’t realize our vision for America, at least, maybe in Obama we can truly admire our leader for the first time.

Don’t be surprised if many of the young people enthusiastically supporting Paul today wind up crossing the line in a general election and using some of that enthusiasm in support of Obama. I’m sure there are many who gravitate to Paul because of individual issues or out of anger against the establishment. Those followers will drift to third-parties or sit out the election altogether. But there are more, like me, who gravitate to him because of his faith in personal freedom and in the fundamental belief in the human spirit such conviction implies. Obama may not satisfy our thirst for liberty, but he certainly appeals to the human spirit.

There are a lot of us.

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#1. To: aristeides (#0)

Obama may not satisfy our thirst for liberty, but he certainly appeals to the human spirit.

Bullshit. Obama is a gun-grabbing porch monkey.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-01-04   11:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

This Paulite is seriously seeking a place to live and work overseas.

Obama's campaign manager is David Axelrod who is Jewish and works on black campaigns. Gotta make sure all those black people support Israel First and America last.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2008-01-04   11:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#0)

Step away from the crack-pipe, Andrew.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity

Lod  posted on  2008-01-04   11:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

Obama may not satisfy our thirst for liberty, but he certainly appeals to the human spirit.

I think Sullivan is expressing why so many Iowans voted for Obama. He appears to be above the fray, his speech, which I haven't heard, is supposedly very good. And although he looks to be removed from the establishment, in reality, I don't believe he is.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
The Revolution will not be televised!

robin  posted on  2008-01-04   11:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#4)

In many ways, Obama reminds me of John Kennedy.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   12:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#5) (Edited)

In many ways, Obama reminds me of John Kennedy.

That's true, but not in a good way. Kennedy and Obama were/are all about style without any substance.

The sad truth is, charisma and substance don't go hand in hand much. Imagine how much better Ron Paul would be at selling his message if he were more telegenic. If someone with Kennedy's charisma and Ron Paul's campaign message came along, you could bet that he'd be a solid front runner. Instead, we get charismatic, charming empty suits winning elections.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-01-04   15:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)

Somebody thought Kennedy was worth assassinating.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   15:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#0)

How can I write "The Conservative Soul" and find myself rooting for Obama?

Sullivan is not and never has been a conservative. He is the neocon's favorite strident homosexual/liberal. He is as confused about his politics as he is about his 'orientation.'

Old Fud  posted on  2008-01-05   11:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Old Fud (#8)

He is the neocon's favorite strident homosexual/liberal.

Sullivan has certainly been highly critical of the neocons the last few years, since he turned against them -- much more over the torture issue than over Iraq.

I can't recall favorable comments from neocons about Sullivan from the past couple of years. Am I forgetting something?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-06   8:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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