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Title: Bev Harris on Iowa Caucus (Black Box Voting)
Source: Black Box Voting Weblog
URL Source: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/71119.html?1199425776
Published: Jan 4, 2008
Author: Bev Harris
Post Date: 2008-01-04 14:40:08 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Vote, fraud, Republican
Views: 928
Comments: 38

Excerpt From Bev Harris' Observations during the Iowa Caucus:

I literally laughed out loud at the magic show the Republicans are putting on.

"We will be very transparent and report in live time on our Web site."

"Well not the details, precincts will come after the totals are announced " (think about this folks: You can't GET the totals without the precinct results. They're doing it out of order)

And then:

"Oh gee the web site isn't posting any results after all"

And then:

"Hello we are the networks and with 40% in we are projecting [note subtle misuse of language] "Huckabee won Iowa" [Correct language would say "we are projecting that Huckabee will win Iowa -- and not a single iota of results had been PUBLICLY released.]

Next we see the only live coverage, done by CSPAN, in which McCain thumps everyone.

Instead of counting in public, they had the public leave the room before the counting and things are being sorted out of view and counted under chairs and in in corners, with no public view of the data. This was done by perfectly nice people. Problem was, they didn't provide them with anything remotely sensible for a workspace -- like, oh, say a table and some chairs.

Next, we see a cell phone situation, which then inexplicably calls him back to tell him the call did not go through. Baffled, he says "we're done. I think."

More happy gesticulating by the networks pronouncing winners with great precision.

Still, at this time, not a thing has thus far been reported in "real time."

Then a nearly filled in map appears, but without telling us the percentage of precincts reporting and with no precinct data.

It's not up to the citizens to prove fraud. What we need is a system where the votes are counted in public (they were not, in Carroll County), and where we can check the precinct results against the reported precinct results.

What we got was a magic show.


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#1. To: christine, Peppa, iconoclast, Cynicom, Zipporah, robin, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, FormerLurker, Pinguinite, Palo Verde, aristeides, all (#0)

(((((Ping!)))))

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   14:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

There were complaints on Daily Kos about how much slower the Republicans were to report their caucus results than the Democrats were.

I wonder if the Republican establishment played down Huckabee's numbers, in addition to Ron Paul's.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   14:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#1)

1-4-08: Eh? Iowa Republicans STILL missing 65 precincts in results It isn't even a skillful magic show.

The Republican caucuses usually take only half as long as the Democratic caucuses, due to simpler procedures. Yet the Republicans are lagging behind the Democrats now by over TEN HOURS in having all their results in. Results delays are a red flag.

Alert CSPAN watchers caught TV screen shots of Giuliani vote totals going down by a couple thousand votes midstream in, I believe it was, Linn County. That needs a confirm; screen shot images were posted on various blogs, but if anyone recorded the coverage and can corroborate those screen shots, please let us know.

As many of us know, vote totals that go DOWN during the middle of the count can be an error, but also can signal an election theft tactic whereby votes from a candidate finishing very low in the pack are skimmed off and given to a favored candidate higher in the pack. If corroborated, the vote total shift will be another red flag.

And with the Republican race, I wouldn't look first at fraud in the number one position. I'd look for it in the area of repositioning candidates in the second through sixth spot.

- The delay in results is a red flag. - The vote totals going down during the count is a red flag. - The failure to release county results in live time, as promised in a Republican Party press release on Jan. 2, is a red flag. - The failure to release precinct totals at all is a corrupt procedure. Note that the day before the caucuses, after much pressure, the Republicans did (belatedly) promise to release the precinct results on election night. They didn't.

In addition: I'm trying to get information on whether the public was kicked out of the room during hand counting in all locations, or just some.

I will be publishing some reports by caucus attendees in the "Front Lines" section later today.

There is absolutely no reason to consider any of the Republican caucus results to be credible.

I'm not saying they are wrong, I am saying the breakdown in checks and balances was stunning enough to call it not a magic show, but a bad magic show.

Bev Harris More

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   14:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#2)

The Republican turnout was pathetic, somewhere around half of the Democratic turnout...and this in an old fashioned, mostly Christian, Midwestern state. The GOP is in disarray.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-01-04   14:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Wead Predicted: Huckabee's Iowa Win, But Now Losses Ahead

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-04   14:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vitamin Z (#4)

Huckabee Win May Be a Fluke

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-04   14:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TwentyTwelve (#6)

Huckabee Win May Be a Fluke

Huckabee is a friggin' joke. He would probably win one, maybe two states in the general election.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-01-04   14:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#2)

I wonder if the Republican establishment played down Huckabee's numbers, in addition to Ron Paul's.

See the additional snippet I posted for more from Bev.

However, my own thoughts are that someone posted an article/video the other day about Hickabee having been given a "thumb's up" by the CFR, and given Bev's observation regarding Ghouliani's numbers I would suspect the opposite i.e., that Hucksterbee's numbers might have been padded since Ghouliani was not expected to do well anyway.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   14:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Vote Fraud Bump

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-04   14:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vitamin Z, TwentyTwelve (#7)

Huckabee Win May Be a Fluke

Huckabee is a friggin' joke. He would probably win one, maybe two states in the general election.

Not if Diebold, Sequoia, and Elron have anything to say about it.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   14:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#8)

If they were cheating, why wouldn't the cheaters have given those votes to Romney?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   14:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Not if Diebold, Sequoia, and Elron have anything to say about it.

I'm sure those companies are privy to the fact that it's time for the Democrats. You know, it's time for "change". Gotta keep up the illusion...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-01-04   15:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#1) (Edited)

(((((Ping!)))))

Thanks for the ping.

While were were posting I was watching the caucus (link provided by TT, thanks), and tuned into JustinTV as well. I was struck by how hokey the vote counting method appeared. Further, when they were counting off, 1, 2, 3, 4, another person was marking a sheet of paper. I'm thinking, okay, how do we know that the tallys are being made in the right place? This was stupid. Crumpled up papers from pockets? Please!!!

It smelled fishy last night, but what is there to be done about it.

One thing, Iowa should be fired as a State.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   15:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#11)

If they were cheating, why wouldn't the cheaters have given those votes to Romney?

Data insufficient. Just speculating - Hickabee is an "evangelical" and Iowa is part of the Bible Belt i.e., "Southern Baptist" - so they generally do not like Mormons, Kathlicks, and Joos - don't forget that Iowa is a "Klan" State. Giving it to Romney, Holy Underwear aside, would have been harder to sell as a valid result.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vitamin Z (#12)

Not if Diebold, Sequoia, and Elron have anything to say about it.

I'm sure those companies are privy to the fact that it's time for the Democrats. You know, it's time for "change". Gotta keep up the illusion...

Which is why the "Paul" Vote must be suppressed. Hitlery has been annointed and that is that. Unless enough people get mad enough to actually get up from in front of the "tee-bee" and get involved they can just set up the surveillance camera in their living room now.

P.S. If you have a Camera and Microphone on your computer the NSA CAN listen in and observe already. However, if you don't use them you can snip the leads to them without affecting your computer's performance - but make sure you know what you're snipping BEFORE you snip.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Peppa (#13)

You're welcome, and

" One thing, Iowa should be fired as a State."

agreed.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Peppa (#13)

One thing, Iowa should be fired as a State.

Iowa is an embarrassment.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-04   15:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Hitlery has been annointed and that is that.

She seems to have been unanointed yesterday.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-04   15:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: aristeides, Original_Intent (#2)

I was at an RP call center for getting the vote tally. There were call centers in L.A., Long Beach and Orange county, to receive calls from RP volunteers who were in Iowa, on the ground, in each precinct. There were supposed to be 300 calls, one from each precinct, but we only received a dozen calls. It was odd. I'm hoping it meant they faxed their #s in, rather than calling them in, but I haven't heard yet.

So for 2.5 hours I kept refreshing the webpage at CNN and MSNBC. One thing that struck me as peculiar is how he started at 10% and just stayed there. I expected some fluctuation.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-04   15:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#0)

If those totals are correct and there does appear to be some errors; for example Black Hawk county with Huckabee receiving 1 vote to Tancando 814 votes, then Ron Paul was third with 9,634 votes (slightly over 12 percent) and Thompson was a close fourth with 9,315 (slightly under 12 percent).

DWornock  posted on  2008-01-04   15:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides (#18)

Hitlery has been annointed and that is that.

She seems to have been unanointed yesterday.

You have to make it a good show to sell the Rubes.

All of the big money is backing Hitlery. She has something like 100 million in "donations".

Ron Paul is the only Republican that can win in the General (s)Election and so must be marginalized to allow a Hitlery "win".

Hitlery will win in NH and win big on "Super Tuesday".

Thus garnering a "magical" come from behind win to "catapult" into an "insurmountable" lead.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin (#19)

I was at an RP call center for getting the vote tally. There were call centers in L.A., Long Beach and Orange county, to receive calls from RP volunteers who were in Iowa, on the ground, in each precinct. There were supposed to be 300 calls, one from each precinct, but we only received a dozen calls. It was odd. I'm hoping it meant they faxed their #s in, rather than calling them in, but I haven't heard yet.

Time will tell, but if you control the NSA you control the communications.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#14)

Data insufficient. Just speculating - Hickabee is an "evangelical" and Iowa is part of the Bible Belt i.e., "Southern Baptist" - so they generally do not like Mormons, Kathlicks, and Joos - don't forget that Iowa is a "Klan" State.

Then Obama's 'win' is a red flag too.

Holy Underwear

LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   15:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: DWornock (#20)

If those totals are correct and there does appear to be some errors; for example Black Hawk county with Huckabee receiving 1 vote to Tancando 814 votes, then Ron Paul was third with 9,634 votes (slightly over 12 percent) and Thompson was a close fourth with 9,315 (slightly under 12 percent).

Since 3rd Place would be a big jump up for RP I would look for those numbers to be "massaged". Can't have him doing too well as it then energizes his base even more and makes Faux look even more unbelievable.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Peppa (#23)

Then Obama's 'win' is a red flag too.

Holy Underwear

LOL!

I could make a crude tasteless joke about a Person of Color beating a Sexually Challenged Person of Female Gender in Klan Country, but will forego the impulse.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#19)

One thing that struck me as peculiar is how he started at 10% and just stayed there. I expected some fluctuation.

That's exactly what I thought this morning. That figure was just 'too perfect'. No way. Nearly every poll taken refutes the official MSM reports.

There were supposed to be 300 calls, one from each precinct, but we only received a dozen calls.

Is there a way to check with them to ask if the calls were made?

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   15:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#25)

I could make a crude tasteless joke about a Person of Color beating a Sexually Challenged Person of Female Gender in Klan Country, but will forego the impulse.

I get your drift.

This whole Iowa experiment, seems to have taken place in some other universe. Maybe the same studio where they filmed the moon landing. /JUST KIDDING !!

So many people on the 4um this morning have offered up some incredible thinking around this. Bottom line, we know we're being screwed with at the next level now.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   15:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Peppa (#27)

So many people on the 4um this morning have offered up some incredible thinking around this. Bottom line, we know we're being screwed with at the next level now.

Exactly. As long as the use of Electronic Votefraud Machines is allowed the results of any election using them IS suspect.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   15:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Peppa (#27)

Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO]

Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-04   15:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#28)

Exactly. As long as the use of Electronic Votefraud Machines is allowed the results of any election using them IS suspect.

What to do.

Demand paper ballots at the local level? Bring in some Indepedant Source such as, oh, Hugo Chavez to oversee the final count? He's every bit as 'Habitat for Humanity' as Carter and other thumpers./s

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   15:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#21)

You have to make it a good show to sell the Rubes.

All of the big money is backing Hitlery. She has something like 100 million in "donations".

Ron Paul is the only Republican that can win in the General (s)Election and so must be marginalized to allow a Hitlery "win".

Hitlery will win in NH and win big on "Super Tuesday".

Thus garnering a "magical" come from behind win to "catapult" into an "insurmountable" lead.

You nailed it. The Obama "surge" is all for show to convince the rubes that Hillary is in the "fight of her life" and that she must work hard to overcome a deficit to gain the nomination.

LOL. And the show goes on...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-01-04   16:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#29)

Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO]

Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire

They really don't seem too upset about it. And they should. He may not be their candidate, but the suppression of his message, is a danger to them as well. They seem a little confused in what is American and UnAmerican.

Did you see this one? www.alternet.org/blogs/el ection08/72641/

I think they have a little bias.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   16:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Peppa (#30)

ABC Cuts 3 From Presidential Debates

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-04   16:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#33) (Edited)

ABC Cuts 3 From Presidential Debates

I don't think its right to cut any of them. Who are they to decide what the public should hear.

We should take a moment to speak up for Duncan, Dennis and Mike.

It's a Freedom of Political Speech issue.

It's not like they can't make the time. Steal it from the Brittny coverage.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   16:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Peppa (#30)

What to do.

Demand paper ballots at the local level?

Exactly. Paper ballots are the hardest to tamper with and can only be done in relatively small amounts compared to Electronic Vote Fraud where you can tailor the results to fit the "polls".

That was the mistake the establishment/Robber Barons/NWO made in the last 2 elections - the vote count was wildly divergent from the Exit Polls. The disparity was greatest where Touch Screen Voting OR Electronic Punchcard Counting Machines were used.

The objective is an honest and accurate vote count - not the fastest fraud that can be produced.

Paper Ballots, hand marked, and counted by randomly selected members of the precinct of the election is the most secure. It is not perfect as Ballot Boxes can still be stuffed or switched, but it is workable and cannot be tampered with via an electronic change of the tally for multiple precincts by ONE person. With more people involved there is a greater chance of it being found out when it is done.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   16:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vitamin Z (#31)

And the show goes on...

"Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
Step inside, step inside, ...

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-04   16:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#35)

Exactly. Paper ballots are the hardest to tamper with and can only be done in relatively small amounts compared to Electronic Vote Fraud where you can tailor the results to fit the "polls".

That was the mistake the establishment/Robber Barons/NWO made in the last 2 elections - the vote count was wildly divergent from the Exit Polls. The disparity was greatest where Touch Screen Voting OR Electronic Punchcard Counting Machines were used.

The objective is an honest and accurate vote count - not the fastest fraud that can be produced.

Paper Ballots, hand marked, and counted by randomly selected members of the precinct of the election is the most secure. It is not perfect as Ballot Boxes can still be stuffed or switched, but it is workable and cannot be tampered with via an electronic change of the tally for multiple precincts by ONE person. With more people involved there is a greater chance of it being found out when it is done.

Now we need to get this done.

Should Ron Paul raise the suggestion at the next debate? I would love that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-04   16:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent, christine, Peppa, iconoclast, Cynicom, Zipporah, robin, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Pinguinite, Palo Verde, aristeides, all (#1)

I guess it works on the honor system. We should just take their word for it.

LOL

Why does this not surprise me?

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2008-01-04   22:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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