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Title: Jane Harman and Liberty's Lost Light: Thinking for Yourself is Now a Crime
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
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Jane Harman and Liberty's Lost Light: Thinking for Yourself is Now a Crime

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

What was the greatest failure of 2007? President Bush's "surge" in Iraq? The decline in the value of the US dollar? Subprime mortgages? No. The greatest failure of 2007 was the newly sworn in Democratic Congress.

The American people's attempt in November 2006 to rein in a rogue government, which has committed the US to costly military adventures while running roughshod over the US Constitution, failed. Replacing Republicans with Democrats in the House and Senate has made no difference.

The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.

The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6. In the Senate the bill is sponsored by Maine Republican Susan Collins and apparently faces no meaningful opposition.

Harman's bill is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act."When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs. The bill will, in short, create massive terrorism in the United States. But the perpetrators of terrorism will not be Muslim terrorists; they will be government agents and fellow citizens.

We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.

Who will be on the "extremist beliefs" list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration's wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration's use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration's spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.

The "Extremist Beliefs Commission" is the mechanism for identifying Americans who pose "a threat to domestic security" and a threat of "homegrown terrorism" that "cannot be easily prevented through traditional federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts."

This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, "our" elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an "Extremist Belief Commission" for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.

That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he's a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can't fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security.

Soon Halliburton will be building more detention centers.

Americans are so far removed from the roots of their liberty that they just don't get it. Most Americans don't know what habeas corpus is or why it is important to them. But they know what they want, and Jane Harman has given them a new way to settle scores and to advance their own interests.

Even educated liberals believe that the US Constitution is a "living document" that can be changed to mean whatever it needs to mean in order to accommodate some new important cause, such as abortion and legal privileges for minorities and the handicapped. Today it is the "war on terror" that the Constitution must accommodate. Tomorrow it can be the war on whomever or whatever.

Think about it. More than six years ago the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked. The US government blamed it on al Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission Report has been subjected to criticism by a large number of qualified people--including the commission's chairman and co-chairman.

Since 9/11 there have been no terrorist attacks in the US. The FBI has tried to orchestrate a few, but the "terrorist plots" never got beyond talk organized and led by FBI agents. There are no visible extremist groups other than the neoconservatives that control the government in Washington. But somehow the House of Representatives overwhelmingly sees a need to create a commission to take testimony and search out extremist views (outside of Washington, of course).

This search for extremist views comes after President Bush and the Justice (sic) Department declared that the President can ignore habeas corpus, ignore the Geneva Conventions, seize people without evidence, hold them indefinitely without presenting charges, torture them until they confess to some made up crime, and take over the government by declaring an emergency. Of course, none of these "patriotic" views are extremist.

The search for extremist views follows also the granting of contracts to Halliburton to build detention centers in the US. No member of Congress or the executive branch ever explained the need for the detention centers or who the detainees would be. Of course, there is nothing extremist about building detention centers in the US for undisclosed inmates.

Clearly the detention centers are not meant to just stand there empty. Thanks to 2007's greatest failure--the Democratic Congress--there is to be an "Extremist Beliefs Commission" to secure inmates for Bush's detention centers.

President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the "untamed fire of freedom" to "reach the darkest corners of our world." Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.

The light of liberty has gone out in the United States.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com Subscribe to *Paul Craig Roberts*

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#1. To: Kamala, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#0)

Who will be on the "extremist beliefs" list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration's wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration's use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration's spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.

...

This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. ...

That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he's a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can't fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security.

Soon Halliburton will be building more detention centers.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-05   8:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Kamala (#0) (Edited)

The search for extremist views follows also the granting of contracts to Halliburton to build detention centers in the US. No member of Congress or the executive branch ever explained the need for the detention centers or who the detainees would be. Of course, there is nothing extremist about building detention centers in the US for undisclosed inmates.

Clearly the detention centers are not meant to just stand there empty.....

just a reminder.....

CLEARLY the slavemeisters have been planning this for a very long time, according to the late Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas). Note the following was written in 1997:

CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW

In a revealing admission the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations." Cherith Chronicle, June 1997.

Civilian internment camps or prison camps, more commonly known as concentration camps, have been the subject of much rumor and speculation during the past few years in America. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue.

However, Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, "the truth is yes - you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, *** in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

HISTORY OF CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS

The concept of mass internment camps was implemented during the decade of the 1930's when the idea was either integrated into national security planning or put to actual use in the world's three socialistic experiments - the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and the United States under Roosevelt.

On March 9, 1933, Adolph Hitler put his Dachau detention center into operation where thousands of his own countrymen were sent. (Source: Martin Gilber,The Holocaust). Stalin exterminated 7 to 10 million in his rural collectivization program from 1931-1933 and another 10 million in the purges of 1934-1939. It was this decade that the Soviet Gulag proved its worth. On August 24, 1939, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover met with FDR to develop a detention plan for the United States. Five months after this meeting, Hitler opened the Auschwitz detention center in Poland.

On August 3, 1948, J. Edgar Hoover met with Attorney General J. Howard McGrath to form a plan whereby President Truman could suspend constitutional liberties during a national emergency. The plan was code-named "Security Portfolio" and, when activated, it would authorize the FBI to summarily arrest up to 20,000 persons and place them in national security detention camps. Prisoners would not have the right to a court hearing or habeas corpus appeal. Meanwhile, "Security Portfolio" allowed the FBI to develop a watch list of those who would be detained, as well as detailed information on their physical appearance, family, place of work, etc. (David Burnham, Above the Law).

Two years later Congress approved the Internal Security Act of 1950 which contained a provision authorizing an emergency detention plan. Hoover was unhappy with this law because it did not suspend the constitution and it guaranteed the right to a court hearing (habeas corpus). "For two years, while the FBI continued to secretly establish the detention camps and work out detailed seizure plans for thousands of individuals, Hoover kept badgering...[Attorney General McGrath for] official permission to ignore the 1950 law and carry on with the more ferocious 1948 program. On November 25, 1952, the attorney general...caved in to Hoover." ibid.

Congress repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 more than twenty years later in 1971. Seemingly the threat of civilian internment in the United States was over, but not in reality. The Senate held hearings in December, 1975, revealing the ongoing internment plan which had never been terminated. The report, entitled, "Intelligence Activities, Senate Resolution 21", disclosed the covert agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony by government informants, the picture emerged of the designs by the federal government to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and incarcerate a potentially large segment of American society.

The Senate report also revealed the existence of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master Arrest Warrant (MAW) which are currently in force. The MAW document, authorized by the United States Attorney General, directs the head of the FBI to: "Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and confined until further order." The MSW also instructs the FBI Director to "search certain premises where it is believed that there may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or other materials in violation of the Proclamation of the President of the United States." It includes such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving sets, cameras, propaganda materials, printing presses, mimeograph machines, membership and financial records of organizations or groups that have been declared subversive, or may be hereafter declared subversive by the Attorney General."

Since the Senate hearings in 1975, the steady development of highly specialized surveillance capabilities, combined with the exploding computerized information technologies, have enabled a massive data base of personal information to be developed on millions of unsuspecting American citizens. It is all in place awaiting only a presidential declaration to be enforced by both military and civilian police.

In 1982, President Ronald Reagan issued National Security Directive 58 which empowered Robert McFarlane and Oliver North to use the National Security Council to secretly retrofit FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) to manage the country during a national crisis. The 1984 "REX exercises" simulated civil unrest culminating in a national emergency with a contingency plan for the imprisonment of 400,000 people. REX 84 was so secretive that special metal security doors were installed on the FEMA building's fifth floor, and even long-term officials of the Civil Defense Office were prohibited entry. The ostensible purpose of this exercise was to handle an influx of refugees created by a war in Central America, but a more realistic scenario was the detention of American citizens.

STATE OF EMERGENCY

Under "REX" the President could declare a state of emergency, empowering the head of FEMA to take control of the internal infrastructure of the United States and suspend the constitution. The President could invoke executive orders 11000 thru 11004 which would: 1- Draft all citizens into work forces under government supervision. 2- Empower the postmaster to register all men, women and children. 3- Seize all airports and aircraft. 4- Seize all housing and establish forced relocation of citizens.

FEMA, whose black budget comes from the Department of Defense, has worked closely with the Pentagon in an effort to avoid the legal restrictions of Posse Comitatus. While FEMA may not have been directly responsible for these precedent-setting cases, the principle of federal control was seen during the Los Angeles riots in 1992 with the federalization of the National Guard and during the siege at Waco, where Army tanks equipped with flame throwers were involved in the final conflagration.

GOVERNMENT VIOLENCE IS "LEGITIMATE"?

The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference that anyone who attacks the State, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary and an enemy by definition. Louis Guiffreda, who was head of FEMA, stated that **** "legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we can continue to purge our weaknesses." U.S. concentration camp?

It is significant to note that the dictionary definition of terrorism - "the calculated use of violence" - corresponds precisely to the government's stated policy of "the use of legitimate violence." One might ask, who are the real terrorists? Guiffreda's remark gives a revealing insight into the thinking of those who have been charged with oversight of the welfare of the citizens in this country. If one's convictions or philosophy does not correspond with the government's agenda, that individual may find himself on the government's enemy list. This makes him a "target" to be "purged" by the use of "legitimate violence."

If one forgets the past, he will not be prepared for the future.

Written 9/8/97

http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/archive/government/camp9-97.html

U.S. Concentration Camps. Wake Up America! Maps Indicating Locations of Concentration Camps ... Texas Congressman Henry Gonzales revealed many years ago plans of Rex 84 which former ... http://libertyforlife.com/jail-p...s_concentration_camps.htm

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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-05   10:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Kamala (#2) (Edited)

U.S. Concentration Camps. Wake Up America! Maps Indicating Locations of Concentration Camps ... Texas Congressman Henry Gonzales revealed many years ago plans of Rex 84 which former ... http://libertyforlife.com/jail-p...s_concentration_camps.htm

The Homeland Security $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided $90 million for the same purpose. Both the contract and the budget allocation are in partial fulfillment of an ambitious 10-year Homeland Security strategic plan, code-named ENDGAME, authorized in 2003. According to a 49-page Homeland Security document on the plan, ENDGAME expands "a mission first articulated in the Alien and Sedition Acts of **** 1798." Its goal is the capability to "remove all removable aliens," including "illegal economic migrants, aliens who have committed criminal acts, asylum-seekers [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/55/5.html ] (required to be retained by law) or potential terrorists." The government's definition of an enemy combatant covers almost any individual who promotes the rudimentary rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

Readiness Exercise 1984 - Rex 84 Rex 84 is a United States federal government program to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

Texas Congressman Henry Gonzales revealed many years ago plans of Rex 84 which former colonel Ollie North helped design. The late Representative Jack Brooks also of Texas brought this concentration camp and internment program as well as the Continuity of Government Program to light during the Iran Contra hearing. The chairman refused to let North even talk about them in open hearings under “National Security.” Mr. Gonzales stated these camps and plans were for the detention of AMERICANS, especially those who refused to surrender their weapons.....

If this happens, it will not be the end of the story.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa014.html#16-17

Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel [ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/..._Church_Is_Israel_Now.htm ] may be no more in remembrance.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd019.html#4 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#3 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#1-10 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1-2 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13 /

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen015.html#13-14 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#16-29 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa052.html#12 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#18 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec009.html#15

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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-05   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#1) (Edited)

Harman's bill is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act."When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs.

I don't know about you but I'm going to try to attend some of those name taking Homeland Security meetings and I will give the following names of radicals who continually promote extremist political ideology that has caused the needless deaths of Americans in the past and promises more in the future. The following are way scary zealots and need to be apprehended ASAP and their writings and interviews examined closely so they can be detained for a long time to protect us all:

Paul Wolfowitz Doug Feith Bill Kristol Norman Podhoretz Fred Kagan Charles Krauthammer etc, etc

Here's how the vote went - wow the Dems out-Gestapoed the pubbies:

Ayes: 219 Dems 185 Repubs

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-05   12:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Here's how the vote went - wow the Dems out-Gestapoed the pubbies:

No doubt.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   12:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Kamala. buckeye, lodwick, Peppa, who knows what evil, Cynicom, lodwick, ALL (#0)

Harman's bill is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act."When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs.

Kamala I thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this
it is legislation which would enact police state in USA
Love, Palo

we've got to get Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year
or our country is fucked

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   13:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: palo verde, All, Save America (#6)

we've got to get Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year or our country is fucked

To stop this bill we need to call, fax, and call some more our Senators to stop this bill. The ones up for re-election in 11/2008 are particularly vulnerable.

A Ron Paul presidency will be 1 year too late.

Jane Harmon's bill needs to be stopped cold in the Senate.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-05   13:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#4) (Edited)

I don't know about you but I'm going to try to attend some of those name taking Homeland Security meetings and I will give the following names of radicals who continually promote extremist ideology based on their religious affiliations that has caused the needless deaths of Americans in the past and promises more in the future. The following are way scary people and need to be apprehended ASAP and their writings and interviews examined closely so they can be detained for a long time to protect us all:

I'm compiling a list as well, including a whole slew of Congressmen, who passed a law agreeing with this:

"...."A gentile . . . is liable for the death penalty . . . if he has invented a religious holiday for himself . . . The general principle is we do not allow them to make new religious rituals and to make 'mitzvahs' ["commandment;" sometimes "good deed or blessing"] for themselves by their own devices . . . if he does make some new 'mitzvah,' we lash him, punish him, and inform him that he is obligated [sic] with the death penalty for this." (Rambam Mishne Torah--Hilchose Melachim 10:9)...." [BY DECAPITATION, NO LESS.]

[save this:]

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sup...91-1992-102ndCongress.htm

I'd like to find the names of the cowards OR TRAITORS in the Senate that passed it and didn't have the balls to put their names to it:

".... 3/12/1992: Received in the Senate and read twice and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

4/1/1992: Senate Committee on Judiciary discharged by Unanimous Consent.

4/1/1992: Passed Senate in lieu of S.J.RES. 279 without amendment and with a preamble by Voice Vote.

4/1/1992: Cleared for White House.

4/2/1992: Message on Senate action sent to the House.

4/8/1992: Measure Signed in Senate.

4/10/1992: Presented to President.

4/13/1992: Signed by President.

[You remember him, don't you, BUSH I...another ILLEGAL PRESIDENT SINCE HE WAS NOT BORN IN AMERICA BUT IN GERMANY, AND WAS IN HITLER'S NAVY www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm , MAKING THIS LITTLE SATANIC LAW NULL AND VOID, IN THE REAL WORLD. ]

4/13/1992: Became Public Law No: 102-268......"

...also names that can be gleaned from here: Exposing the Zionist Lubavitchers (Pharisees) Who Run the White House/Congress http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/267122.shtml

.....and This rabbi and all the Congressmen who attended this Satan-fest and sat mute:

Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi to Congress: "Congress Convenes to Fulfill Noahide Commandment. See video of Chabad Lubavitch rabbi Shea Harlig preaching to U.S. House representatives that "Congress convenes to fulfill one of the seven Noahide commandments." http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com...ch-rabbi-to-congress.html

Next, the names of every rabbi that preaches the Talmud in their taxpayer protected synagogues should be listed, along with the police who guard them at our expense, and the officials who send them.

"....CHRISTIANS ARE IDOL WORSHIPPERS

CHRISTMAS MUST BE ABOLISHED

Here is the flier the Lubavitchers are circulating.

http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm I have cached the page at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-xmas1

The ad reads: "Campaign to Abolish X-mas celebration by gentiles . . . according to the known Jewish ruling that Christians are idol worshippers. (Likkutei Sichos 37:198)"

What is the "Likkutei Sichos"? Look at this page:

http://www.eichlers.com/826605079.html mirrored at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-likkutei

We see that the "Likkutei Sichos" is a printed and bound anthology of talks given by Schneerson.

O.K. So now we have established what the Reeb thought of Christians and Christianity. What should be done about people who follow Jesus Christ?

CELEBRATE "X-MAS" AND DIE

Go back to the anti-"X-mas" flier:

http://www.noahide.com/xmas.htm

I have cached the page at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-xmas1

"A gentile . . . is liable for the death penalty . . . if he has invented a religious holiday for himself . . . The general principle is we do not allow them to make new religious rituals and to make 'mitzvahs' ["commandment;" sometimes "good deed or blessing"] for themselves by their own devices . . . if he does make some new 'mitzvah,' we lash him, punish him, and inform him that he is obligated [sic] with the death penalty for this." (Rambam Mishne Torah--Hilchose Melachim 10:9)

So Christians or non-Christian Gentiles, according to the "Rambam Mishne Torah" should be lashed, punished, and put to death if they insist on following their own religious practices, including celebration of non-Jewish religious holidays, such as Christmas.

What is the Rambam Mischne Torah? The Rambam is none other than Maimonides, the well-known Sephardic Jewish writer who lived in Spain between 1135 and 1204 AD, one of the great fathers of Judaic thought; the Mishne Torah is one of his best known works. See the "Sephardic Sages" webpage,

http://www.sephardicsages.org/rambam.html mirrored at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-rambam

"Maimonides [Rambam] was the author of the Mishneh Torah, one of the greatest codes of Jewish law, compiling every conceivable topic of Jewish law in subject matter order and providing a simple statement of the prevailing view in plain language. In his own time, he was widely condemned because he claimed that the Mishneh Torah was a substitute for studying the Talmud," Sephardic Sages tells us.

Maimonides is regarded as a great teacher throughout Judaism. Yet these are his words:

" . . . A gentile . . . is liable for the death penalty . . . if he has invented a religious holiday for himself. "

So to be fair to the Reeb, the idea that Christmas celebrants be put to death did not originate with him. Indeed, we need to go back further to understand the roots of the "Gentiles must be put to death" phenomena.

KILL THEM ALL

The central book in Judaism is the Talmud, which contains the teachings of the Pharisees -- those people on whom the New Testament spends so many words. Jesus called their teachings "the ways of men," an abomination, and he condemned them; for doing so, He was crucified. At the time Jesus lived and up until several hundred years after His death, we are told, the teachings of the Pharisees were not written down, but were memorized, added to, and passed around by word of mouth. This is called the "oral law."

"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single piece of literature . . . and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism." --Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1948, Vol. 8, pg. 474.

Talmudic sage R. Simon ben Yohai is quoted in the Babylonian Talmud (Megillah 12a, Yoma 76a), but his most famous quote does not appear there. The famous quote is: "Tob shebe goyyim harog." Translation: "Even the best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed."

According to the 1903 Jewish Encyclopedia, ben Yohai was an anti-Gentile "fanatic whose life experiences may furnish an explanation for his animosity." After making this excuse for the rabbi, the encyclopedia states "hence in the various versions the 'the best among the Gentiles' has generally been altered to read 'the best among the Egyptians.'"

The intention of substituting "Egyptians" for "Gentiles" in "Even the best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed" was obviously to reduce the number of Gentiles who might take offense at the statement. The lesson, however, is that the "Gentiles must be put to death" concept originated before the Reeb, and even before the Rambam. The "kill all Gentiles" concept was formulated by a Talmudic sage....."

Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD! http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Psa 141:10 Let the wicked fall into their own nets, whilst that I withal escape.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/3/19.html

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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-05   13:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

I'd like to find the names of the cowards OR TRAITORS in the Senate that passed it and didn't have the balls to put their names to it:

New info I have never seen before, as to how this treachery was passed....brings to mind the treasonous Federal Reserve Act, signed December 23, 1913, when most Congressman had gone home for Christmas, leaving the Jews behind to work their skullduggery.

NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS

by Bill Dannemeyer U.S. Congressman, 1979-1992

Your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the “crime” of worshipping Jesus Christ! A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their OWN leaders, Senators and Congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil. On March 5, 1991, in the House of Representatives, and March 7, 1991, in the U.S. Senate, without any knowledge of, or input by, the people of the United States, U.S. Senators and Congressmen passed a law that is so outrageous – and frankly unconstitutional – that it forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules, called the Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishable by decapitation by guillotine! On March 20, 1991, President George H.W. Bush, a supposed Christian, signed the bill into law.

Before you respond, “NO, that cannot be – not in our free country!” let me explain.

The passage of this law, HJ Res. 104, is especially troublesome to me because I was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time it was passed. Even worse, I was in the House Chamber the very day that is was passed, voting on other legislation. Yet I, as a U.S. Congressman, had NO KNOWLEDGE that it had been passed or even that it was to be brought up for a vote.

How could this be? How could the deception be so pervasive that those of us who had sworn to uphold our country’s Constitution, particularly those of us (few, indeed) who really took our position seriously as the protectors of the people, could be totally in the dark regarding the content of this bill and its passage by the leaders of this country – by treachery and deceit?

Here’s how it happened!

On January 31, 1991, an innocuous-sounding Resolution was introduced, designating March 26, 1991 as “Education Day, USA.” It was purposely given this name to deceive the American people. It was, in fact, a Double Deception because not only did the Resolution have nothing to do with “Education,” it was also deceptively billed as a vehicle for recognizing the eighty-ninth birthday of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. But in truth, the Resolution was nothing less than a secret, under-handed plot to control the American people by the Noahide Laws – a subterfuge for the elimination of Christianity, the elimination of all Christians, and the enslavement of all remaining “Gentiles.”

The Resolution, first introduced by Minority Leader, Rep. Robert H. Michel of Illinois, was then referred to the House Post Office and Civil Service Committee.

Early in March 1991, 225 members of the House had signed on as co-sponsors of this Resolution, but it is highly doubtful they were given the full text of the document. They were probably told only that it was a Resolution in honor of Rabbi Schneerson’s birthday. Most likely they had no knowledge that the treacherous Noahide Laws were a silent attachment. I was not one of the co-sponsors.

The committee referred this Resolution to the House for a vote on March 5, 1991. But here is where the real treachery begins! The record states that the House of Representatives passed this Resolution by “Unanimous Consent.” But what the average American does not know is that “Unanimous Consent” is a euphemism for getting a bill passed “under the radar” with almost NO ONE present to vote AND with NO RECORD of who voted or HOW they voted.

A Congressman’s ears prick up when he hears the words “Unanimous Consent” because he is aware that this may be a signal for skullduggery. And in this case, it most certainly was!

On the day this Resolution was “passed,” the entire membership of the House of Representatives had already been dismissed after having been told that the day’s work, including all the voting, was over. We could all go home.

It was THEN, after virtually ALL members had left, that the traitorous authors of this Resolution brought it up for a vote on the House floor – with only four hand-picked members present. It was then deceitfully “passed” by “Unanimous Consent” on March 5, 1991, by voice vote with almost NO ONE there and NO RECORD made of their names or how they voted.

Two days later, on March 7 1991, the U.S. Senate passed the Resolution by voice vote, also with no recorded vote. On March 20, 1991, it was signed by President George H. W. Bush and became Public Law 102-14.

As you read on, you will discover the identity of the evil forces that have so much control over the U.S. Government that they can accomplish these dastardly deeds under cover of darkness........."

www.takebackourrights.org/docs/Christians.html

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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-05   14:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS

That worked out so well in USSR and Eastern Europe, it's coming here, compliments of Comrade Chertoff (who had 2 ex-Soviet KGB working for him at DHS, including Primakov!)

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!
The Revolution will not be televised!

robin  posted on  2008-01-05   14:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: REDPANTHER (#0)

EXCELLENT!

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-05   14:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#10)

yes, that is the plan, but this isn't Russia, and this was foretold:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#16

NOTHING against the Catholic people, but this is Protestant America....in spite of all the heretics within, it's the closest thing to what the disciples taught. It's been a long 'refining' process: www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/13/9.html

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-05   14:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: palo verde. Freedom Lovers (#6)

we've got to get Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year
or our country is fucked

You took the words from my mouth.

Thanks for boiling it down so simply.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity

Lod  posted on  2008-01-05   15:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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