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Title: Live Thread - The New Hampshire ABC News Debates - 2 Parties, 1 Night
Source: ABC NEWS
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/politics
Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: ABC NEWS
Post Date: 2008-01-05 19:00:15 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1830
Comments: 121

Pop the corn and spike the punch. Let the fun begin.

The GOP is up first.

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#60. To: buckeye (#53)

The rules were unspoken: the toughest guys got to talk. Ron Paul wasn't tough enough tonight.

Yes.

From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.

The non sense over the definition nation of amnesty was just silly, showing what empty suits Mcain, Romm, and Gul were.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeye (#53)

Illegal immigration is burning issue for some, but some are like me
not involved at all
Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?
I don't know
I've never followed the issue
just witnessed what a burning issue it was on LP

I am concerned you report Ron Paul lost his grip on his own message in the debate
on which topic?
if it is illegal immigraton, I don't care

was it foreign policy? that is crucial issue
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   22:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Peppa (#59)

O Peppa, what a lovely angel you are
Your post means so much to me
thank you
I love you
Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   22:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: scrapper2 (#57)

scrapper: He (Romney) called Iran Iraq to begin with and then

tom007: That never helps, does it?

I love your dry wit, tom!

In these surreal times dry humor seems to be the only humor around.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   22:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: scrapper2 (#56)

I'll have to find a video clip of the debate and listen to it again.

evidently abc is about to show it all again (after local news here), in case you want to watch or tape it.

kiki  posted on  2008-01-05   23:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: palo verde (#61)

Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?

Palo, dear - I am not trying to change your mind about this.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: tom007 (#60)

From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.

well as you know I watched it visually
Ron Paul was not pushy
but it seemed OK, it did seem like he had time to talk and express himself
and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?
Love, Palo

I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeye (#65)

Palo, dear - I am not trying to change your mind about this.

how kind and gracious of you buckeye
I apprecaite it

LOL my mind drifted off praying for Ron Paul the whole of the debate for only a minute or two
LOL I remembered your post about "happenings" for Ron Paul
and I started to giggle
I thought maybe Buckeye has a teensy bit of hippy in him :)
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: tom007 (#60)

From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.

Right. I think some people are very bothered by that, especially women. Ron Paul didn't seem to know the rules of the game, though.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: palo verde (#67)

I thought maybe Buckeye has a teensy bit of hippy in him :)

I try to speak the language of my audience, my dear. Heh!

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: buckeye (#69)

Is there a youtube of this yet? :)

Tag Line For Rent

Critter  posted on  2008-01-05   23:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: palo verde (#66)

and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no? Love, Palo

I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked

"and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?"

Well you and I would like to believe that - but maybe not. The emotive content unfortunately seems to move the political masses

"I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked "

I did not notice that - He very well could be getting info to bomb the others with their own words in the next debates. He has done that in the past.

Ron does seem to be methodical, and that is a good thing.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   23:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Critter (#70)

Is there a youtube of this yet? :)

Give it overnight.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: palo verde (#61)

Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?

Tancredo did not appear to be very confident in himself at any of the debates I saw. He probably turned a lot of people off.

Tag Line For Rent

Critter  posted on  2008-01-05   23:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: palo verde, buckeye (#61)

I am concerned you report Ron Paul lost his grip on his own message in the debate on which topic? if it is illegal immigraton, I don't care

Palo, I heard RP's response on the illegal immigration question. I thought he did rather well. He said cut off all benefits like education and health care ( except for a life and death emergency). He also said the reason that there is so much fury in America regarding illegal immigrants is that middle class taxpayers are stuck with paying all the perks to illegals, freebies that fedgov does not extend to Americans themselves.

RP immediately got cut off by the GuiliHucksterMCain girls - who all in unison spouted off that it's not the economic costs of illegals to Americans that THEY worried about( of course the Girls are not middle class with no income tax loopholes)but rather the national security dangers (???) that a porous border posed. hahaha - oh the Girls always worry about another 9/11 event taking place...

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-05   23:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)

Yes, good account of what happened.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: kiki, buckeye, Peppa, ALL (#64)

evidently abc is about to show it all again (after local news here), in case you want to watch or tape it.

thanks Kiki, I want to watch it with sound this time
I suspect Ron Paul did a lot better than it appears
I've watched debates with Ron Paul before, and I go with my feelings at first
I am disappointed he didn't do better
but when I look at it objectively (see the whole picture) I realize he did great

I think my feelings lead me astray because I care so much about how Ron Paul did
I want so badly for him to do well
that it obscures a true objective picture for me
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: buckeye (#72)

Give it overnight.

but... but... but... I want it now. lol

Tag Line For Rent

Critter  posted on  2008-01-05   23:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Critter (#77) (Edited)

Browse around at mypsace facebook and see what you find.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: scrapper2, Peppa, buckeye (#74) (Edited)

I just read an AP view of the GOP debate. It is a rather long article and Paul got only this concerning the debate...

"Paul, mounting a quixotic campaign, stuck to his insistence that the war should end."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeye (#68)

Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment "we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."? *sshole. I can't imagine what kind of person would vote for McCain.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-05   23:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: who knows what evil (#80)

Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment "we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."?

McCain reveals himself as one of the cruelest people in politics, as far as I can tell.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:21:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: tom007 (#71)

(Palo) When push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?

(Tom) Well you and I would like to believe that - but maybe not.
The emotive content unfortunately seems to move the political masses

(Palo) I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked

(Tom) I did not notice that -
He very well could be getting info to bomb the others with their own words in the next debates.
He has done that in the past.

Ron does seem to be methodical, and that is a good thing.

O Tom I love your post, altho I don't know why?
It just seems so real and down to earth

Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic
so it is all about content
and I think this is great

Love, Palo

I am very interested in rest of your post, I did not know that

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: who knows what evil (#80)

McLame is rude and uncouth, as President he would make Bush look good.

I will guarantee you this, regardless which one of those people becomes the candidate, they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: palo verde, tom007 (#82)

Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic

He's very charismatic to patriots. Most Americans just want to live their lives. He needs a way to reach them. At least he knows not to make them afraid.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: who knows what evil, buckeye, ALL (#80)

Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment
"we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."?
*sshole.
I can't imagine what kind of person would vote for McCain.

McCain is a worthless individual
guess who is aaying he will vote for McCain?
my husband!
I offered to register him GOP on the computer so he could vote in AZ primary for Ron Paul
and he said "I'm thinking of voting for McCain"
I don't get McCain's appeal at all
but as I said to my husband, "free will, free thought, free vote, vote for whoever you want"

but when I said "I am putting up Ron Paul bumper sticker on truck and 2nd hand car"
and he said he will put up McCain sticker, I said "I will never ride in the truck then"

he only said it, because he knew I would have huge reaction!
lol maybe it is fun for a husband to have a wife who is passionate Ron Paul supporter,
you can always get her to "have a fit" :)

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Cynicom (#83)

they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.

Yes they will, and I strongly believe they will get the "your number one" finger.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   23:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Cynicom (#83)

I will guarantee you this, regardless which one of those people becomes the candidate,
they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them.
Count on it.

Excuse me!
When Ron Paul is the candidate, these jerks will have to decide if they will support him

LOL
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: palo verde (#85)

guess who is aaying he will vote for McCain?

I know what's wrong. Your husband is jealous because you focus so much attention on Ron Paul! He's getting your goat in the best way he knows how.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeye (#84)

(Palo) Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic

(buckeye) He's very charismatic to patriots. Most Americans just want to live their lives. He needs a way to reach them. At least he knows not to make them afraid.

what an exquisite post
yes for patriots, Ron Paul is perfect in every way

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: tom007 (#86)

Two things come to mind.

McLame and his rude mouth trying to demean Paul.

McLame in your face, "we will stay in Iraq forever".

That should open some peoples eyes that the man is unstable.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Cynicom (#83)

McLame is rude and uncouth, as President he would make Bush look good.

I agree with you. Also McCain comes across as insincere and frankly not too bright. He almost asks to be tripped up. His yarn about how safe Baghdad seemed to him was an invitation for the media to prove him to be a bold-faced liar. What an a** - I can't imagine why Arizonans keep re-electing that ignorant midget back to the Senate over and over again. It must be the Vietnam War POW sacrifice for God, country schtick.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-05   23:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: palo verde (#87)

When Ron Paul is the candidate, these jerks will have to decide if they will support him

Palo they will not.

One only has to review Giuliani to find he jumped ship before and supported Mario Cuomo.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: scrapper2 (#91)

Scrap...

Have you ever seen the video of the bomb or missile from McLames aircraft skidding across the carrier deck????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: buckeye (#88)

I know what's wrong.
Your husband is jealous because you focus so much attention on Ron Paul!
He's getting your goat in the best way he knows how.

you are so psychological
I never thought of that

LOL do you think he was disappointed I didn't hit the roof last night
when he told me he was thinking of voting for John McCain

altho between you and me, I thoought to myself, "I won't bother registering him GOP
"if he's going to vote for McCain :)"

LOL tomorrow is the deadline to register GOP in Arizona
I guess he won't be able to vote for McCain
he will have to drive me to vote for Ron Paul
(I am New Yorker, I haven't learned to drive yet
I am bad girl

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: palo verde, Cynicom (#89)

yes for patriots, Ron Paul is perfect in every way

He also needs to get elected. I say keep trying to awaken the patriot in everyone, but also LEAD IN REAL TIME. He's not used to that, but he can do it. He's used to propelling a movement, not leading it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: palo verde (#94)

LOL tomorrow is the deadline to register GOP in Arizona

Can we trust you, palo?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Cynicom (#92)

(Palo) When Ron Paul is the candidate, these jerks will have to decide if they will support him

(Cynicom) Palo they will not.

you are right on this one
I don't thnk they will support Ron Paul when he is the candidate
Altho there seemed to be nice warmth between Ron Paul and Fred Thompson during debate
a friendly vibe there
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: buckeye (#96)

(Palo) LOL tomorrow is the deadline to register GOP in Arizona

(Buckeye) Can we trust you, palo?

you read my mind
it is a dilemma
I can tell him tomorrow is the deadline, and offer to register him on computer
if I thnk he will change his mind and vote for Ron Paul at the primary
But if I think he will vote for John McCain
I won't mention tomorrow is the deadline

On the other hand respect for free vote, means I should tell him

I think I will go with not mentioning it

I am getting mixed messages, he is overjoyed when Ron Paul does well in the primary
but he said "me and Eric talked at the pool, Eric likes McCain too
"and Eric said 'ideal ticket is McCain and Condi Rice' "

I kept my mouth shut!!!!

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   23:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: palo verde (#98)

Elections '08

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-05   23:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: palo verde (#98)

I think I will go with not mentioning it

Actually, I was hoping you'd do the right thing if you promised already. You'll have time to work on changing his mind later. Also, it's the democratic thing to do. Freedom will be upheld, even if in a negative way. And so will domestic tranquility, which involves the pursuit of happiness and so forth.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   0:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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