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Title: Live Thread - The New Hampshire ABC News Debates - 2 Parties, 1 Night
Source: ABC NEWS
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/politics
Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: ABC NEWS
Post Date: 2008-01-05 19:00:15 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1651
Comments: 121

Pop the corn and spike the punch. Let the fun begin.

The GOP is up first.

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#37. To: Brian S (#0)

We are in deep trouble here. Republican fat cats are all for more and more war, refuse to deal with illegal immigration, and are interested in expanding federal influence into every aspect of our lives. Did you all hear Huckabee's talk on what to do about health care? I couldn't make sense out of it, but he apparently wants to use the Federal government to implement PREEMPTIVE CARE.

PREEMPTIVE CARE is like PREEMPTIVE WAR in terms of civil liberties.

Immigration is the worst of all. Huckabee was tough, but not believable. Romney is tough, but unbelievable. The others are just edging around the problem, defending the status quo.

Now that I'm watching the Dem side of the debate, I'm sure that we're trapped between a rock and a hard place.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   22:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I missed some of the debate because I muted it so I could pray for Ron Paul while he was speaking
What did you think of his answers?
I've read the whole thread, but no one has yet commented on what Ron Paul said
I am so curious what everyone thought of his answers,
since I missed hearing some of them due to praying for him
lol I'm not a nut, I just seem like one :)
Love, Palo

I saw a contretemps between Ron Paul and Rudy, but I was praying so hard for Ron Paul during it,
I didn't get to hear the content of it
I am sure it must be foreign policy?

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   22:18:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What did you think of his answers?

He was defensive, RUSHED, and reactive rather than proactive. He let the powerful men in the room push him down. But as Cynicom and who knows what evil have said, he did not compromise himself, and he was probably tired.

I thought there were several times when he could have gone on the attack, could have been proactive, could have anticipated the attacks, but he failed to do that.

I agreed with him on most things, but he lost the ball on immigration because he failed to demonstrate that he is actually tougher on immigration than most of the others are. He also failed to articulate his health care policy. It's hard to articulate nothing, which is what we need to do a lot more of. But he needs to find a positive way to say that the federal government should do nothing.

I also think that the 9/11 issue of why the multi-billion dollar defense budget could not defend us on that day, was left out. Ron Paul was quick to say he was tougher on defending America, but he did not say how. He needs to get to the how part a lot faster.

He's losing support on inability to articulate why his positions are better on defense and illegal immigration, and why America would thrive with more freedom.

That's my perspective.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   22:25:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He was defensive, RUSHED, and reactive rather than proactive. He let the powerful men in the room push him down. But as Cynicom and who knows what evil have said, he did not compromise himself, and he was probably tired.

I thought there were several times when he could have gone on the attack, could have been proactive, could have anticipated the attacks, but he failed to do that.

I agreed with him on most things, but he lost the ball on immigration because he failed to demonstrate that he is actually tougher on immigration than most of the others are. He also failed to articulate his health care policy. It's hard to articulate nothing, which is what we need to do a lot more of. But he needs to find a positive way to say that the federal government should do nothing.

I also think that the 9/11 issue of why the multi-billion dollar defense budget could not defend us on that day, was left out. Ron Paul was quick to say he was tougher on defending America, but he did not say how. He needs to get to the how part a lot faster.

He's losing support on inability to articulate why his positions are better on defense and illegal immigration, and why America would thrive with more freedom.

That's my perspective.

You are a peach to write me a full report like that
I wanted to hear all
Illegal immigration is not an issue for me, so whatever he said on that is fine with me
I'll have to watch whole thing over again, with sound on all the time
Romney's health care plan, just put into law in Massachusetts, is cruel
The State fines you $100/month if you don't purchase health insurance
They deprive you of freedom
I have never bothered to purchase health insurance, I am always healthy
If I were in Mass. I would no longer have a choice
LOL this is a scam to enrich the health insurance compnaies

I have a hunch Ron Paul did better than you report
It is OK he was not aggressive, everything depends on the content of his answers
I love you
Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-05   22:36:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Illegal immigration is not an issue for me, so whatever he said on that is fine with me

Oh, I'm not trying to change your mind there. But it's the main reflection of why we've lost representation in government. Most middle class Americans do care about it a great deal. They see that their concern is being ignored. None of the men on that stage adequately reflected that concern. Ron Paul also failed to articulate how he would address the concerns better than others. (Although I think his solutions proposed outside the debate are likely to be the most effective.)

Loss of representation on a variety of issues is why Americans are truly searching for change.

Huckabee and to a lesser extent, Obama, both carried through on their articulation of a promise to deliver change. We know we can't believe in them, or their messages.

Ron Paul lost a grip on his own message, I think because unlike us, his close supporters weren't paying attention to the winner acceptance speeches in Iowa.

I have a hunch Ron Paul did better than you report

His Internet base will love him. He needs to reach beyond that, across the gulf, to the non-Internet folks. He's not carrying that off yet. He did worse than usual, perhaps due to fatigue tonight. The rules were unspoken: the toughest guys got to talk. Ron Paul wasn't tough enough tonight.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   22:47:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The rules were unspoken: the toughest guys got to talk. Ron Paul wasn't tough enough tonight.

Yes.

From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.

The non sense over the definition nation of amnesty was just silly, showing what empty suits Mcain, Romm, and Gul were.

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.

Right. I think some people are very bothered by that, especially women. Ron Paul didn't seem to know the rules of the game, though.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   23:07:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment "we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."? *sshole. I can't imagine what kind of person would vote for McCain.

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-05   23:20:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

McLame is rude and uncouth, as President he would make Bush look good.

I will guarantee you this, regardless which one of those people becomes the candidate, they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   23:24:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.

Yes they will, and I strongly believe they will get the "your number one" finger.

tom007  posted on  2008-01-05   23:33:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: tom007 (#86)

Two things come to mind.

McLame and his rude mouth trying to demean Paul.

McLame in your face, "we will stay in Iraq forever".

That should open some peoples eyes that the man is unstable.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05 23:39:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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