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Title: Live Thread - The New Hampshire ABC News Debates - 2 Parties, 1 Night
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/politics
Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: ABC NEWS
Post Date: 2008-01-05 19:00:15 by Brian S
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Comments: 121
Pop the corn and spike the punch. Let the fun begin. The GOP is up first.
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#51. To: buckeye (#37)
b. Immigration is the worst of all. Huckabee was tough, but not believable. Romney is tough, but unbelievable. The others are just edging around the problem, defending the status quo. a. Not only is pre-emptive care useless -if you're born with the cancer gene or acquire heart disease, no annual physicals or free flu shots are going to prevent the onset of very very serious life threatening diseases. You'll just pay higher taxes so the illegals and unmarried pregnant ladies can have free prenatal care. And additionally you'll get into the larger pool of free preventative care folks and all of you will be in line to see the same small number of gate-keeper GP's - them for their free prenatal vitamins and you to get referred to an oncologist to get that lump checked out and the then you get segued into another queue for the oncologist. Pre-emptive health care is great if you are earning less than 3X the poverty level ( illegals automatically qualify) and are very young or are in excellent health. What Romney and the Huckster and McCain were avoiding saying was that the middle class, under their "everybody has health insurance" plans, get the pleasure of paying higher taxes to get less health care. The only ones who win are under these politicians' plans are the lower economic group and illegals - they contribute little income tax and have nothing to lose and everything to gain. But because there are greater numbers of voters in the lower economic groups, these pols are of course appealing to the masses for their votes, not to the tax-payers who are going to get it in the neck for this nonsense. Think of Huckster's plan as an HMO for all at PPO prices for you. What's sickening is that none of these political punks mentioned tort reform in conjunction with their grandiose health care plans - most of them apart from Dr. Paul and McCrazy are lawyers, that's why. McCain is a professional veteran and the best friend of Joe Lieberman. I don't know what actual academic credentials that idiot has. b. The only 2 people who were pro-American in their illegal immigrants position were Dr. Paul and Fred Thompson. The others were dancing and flip-flopping all over the place. When JudyJulie - he of 3 or 4 wives - started slinging the "compassionate" crap, and the other losers were nodding along with him, I knew Americans would be screwed bigtime under anyone of those sold out jerks. I hope the NH folks saw through the lies and smoke screens of the GOP hucksters. I can't bear to watch the Dems' debate. It will be more of we'll give you all this and gov't should deliver that...and all I'll be seeing is $ flying out of my wallet as they speak.
Palo, I listened and taped as well. I have to relisten to give an objective response. I tune the others out (because I don't like them) So,to be honest about 'how he did', I want to gauge against how the CFR Brothers did as well. I am confident his answers were solid, but was it a DEBATE? I'll watch. I am very interested in what everyone else thought as well thanks Peppa, Yes I am same as you I did concentrate visually as I was praying for him which is perfect!
Oh, I'm not trying to change your mind there. But it's the main reflection of why we've lost representation in government. Most middle class Americans do care about it a great deal. They see that their concern is being ignored. None of the men on that stage adequately reflected that concern. Ron Paul also failed to articulate how he would address the concerns better than others. (Although I think his solutions proposed outside the debate are likely to be the most effective.) Loss of representation on a variety of issues is why Americans are truly searching for change. Huckabee and to a lesser extent, Obama, both carried through on their articulation of a promise to deliver change. We know we can't believe in them, or their messages. Ron Paul lost a grip on his own message, I think because unlike us, his close supporters weren't paying attention to the winner acceptance speeches in Iowa. I have a hunch Ron Paul did better than you report His Internet base will love him. He needs to reach beyond that, across the gulf, to the non-Internet folks. He's not carrying that off yet. He did worse than usual, perhaps due to fatigue tonight. The rules were unspoken: the toughest guys got to talk. Ron Paul wasn't tough enough tonight.
That is great news, Who Knows When is the New Hampshire primary, does this come on before it?
In FEMA camps. I'm a little in a reactive mood now, so the first thing that ticks me off is that WE say that RP MUST articulate FASTER. NO. These debates limit time to keep the DEVIL from being seen in the details. WE need healthcare, but the devil says, it will be paid by taxpayers, and the GOVERNMENT will decide who gets what care, when and you citizens go to the back of the line, and you military are just dragging down the party. And Health Freedom? FDA poison is good enough for you. Food Safety? We hate to see a mass outbreak of ecoli, but you know you must appreciate how free trade keeps our economy healthy. Understand serf, your health is not important. These things, CAN'T be done in a sound bite. And RP could easily say, ASK THE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN how easy it is to pay and more importanly NAVIGATE the system we have NOW. Who benefits, BIG PHARMA. Can you go 15 minutes watching the tube without a company pushing their drugs? No. Anyway, I am reacting, rather than being objective. So I really want sit a few and watch again. Somewhere here, we need to meet in a place where RP throws the strike 3 times.
I'll have to find a video clip of the debate and listen to it again. I thought Ron Paul didn't have much opportunity to speak but you're saying he did not seek out the opportunities more aggressively and also when he was asked to contribute he did not have much content in his remarks. Interesting.
tom007: That never helps, does it? I love your dry wit, tom!
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Palo, I'll be glad to. I did concentrate visually as I was praying for him and I can give a visual report he looked relaxed, serious, lovely and there was a statesman-like quality about him what I mean is, he acted like this all matters and is real and he is serious about it It is real. If everyone used every bit of energy to bring miracles, who knows what could happen?
Yes. From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies. The non sense over the definition nation of amnesty was just silly, showing what empty suits Mcain, Romm, and Gul were.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Illegal immigration is burning issue for some, but some are like me I am concerned you report Ron Paul lost his grip on his own message in the debate was it foreign policy? that is crucial issue
O Peppa, what a lovely angel you are
tom007: That never helps, does it? I love your dry wit, tom! In these surreal times dry humor seems to be the only humor around.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" evidently abc is about to show it all again (after local news here), in case you want to watch or tape it.
Palo, dear - I am not trying to change your mind about this.
well as you know I watched it visually I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked
how kind and gracious of you buckeye LOL my mind drifted off praying for Ron Paul the whole of the debate for only a minute or two
Right. I think some people are very bothered by that, especially women. Ron Paul didn't seem to know the rules of the game, though.
I try to speak the language of my audience, my dear. Heh!
Is there a youtube of this yet? :)
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I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked "and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?" Well you and I would like to believe that - but maybe not. The emotive content unfortunately seems to move the political masses "I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked " I did not notice that - He very well could be getting info to bomb the others with their own words in the next debates. He has done that in the past. Ron does seem to be methodical, and that is a good thing.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Give it overnight.
Tancredo did not appear to be very confident in himself at any of the debates I saw. He probably turned a lot of people off.
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Palo, I heard RP's response on the illegal immigration question. I thought he did rather well. He said cut off all benefits like education and health care ( except for a life and death emergency). He also said the reason that there is so much fury in America regarding illegal immigrants is that middle class taxpayers are stuck with paying all the perks to illegals, freebies that fedgov does not extend to Americans themselves. RP immediately got cut off by the GuiliHucksterMCain girls - who all in unison spouted off that it's not the economic costs of illegals to Americans that THEY worried about( of course the Girls are not middle class with no income tax loopholes)but rather the national security dangers (???) that a porous border posed. hahaha - oh the Girls always worry about another 9/11 event taking place...
Yes, good account of what happened.
thanks Kiki, I want to watch it with sound this time I think my feelings lead me astray because I care so much about how Ron Paul did
but... but... but... I want it now. lol
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I just read an AP view of the GOP debate. It is a rather long article and Paul got only this concerning the debate... "Paul, mounting a quixotic campaign, stuck to his insistence that the war should end."
Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment "we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."? *sshole. I can't imagine what kind of person would vote for McCain.
McCain reveals himself as one of the cruelest people in politics, as far as I can tell.
(Tom) Well you and I would like to believe that - but maybe not. (Palo) I noticed Ron Paul wrote notes, while others talked (Tom) I did not notice that - Ron does seem to be methodical, and that is a good thing. O Tom I love your post, altho I don't know why? Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic Love, Palo I am very interested in rest of your post, I did not know that
McLame is rude and uncouth, as President he would make Bush look good. I will guarantee you this, regardless which one of those people becomes the candidate, they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.
He's very charismatic to patriots. Most Americans just want to live their lives. He needs a way to reach them. At least he knows not to make them afraid.
McCain is a worthless individual but when I said "I am putting up Ron Paul bumper sticker on truck and 2nd hand car" he only said it, because he knew I would have huge reaction!
Yes they will, and I strongly believe they will get the "your number one" finger.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Excuse me! LOL
I know what's wrong. Your husband is jealous because you focus so much attention on Ron Paul! He's getting your goat in the best way he knows how.
(Palo) Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic (buckeye) He's very charismatic to patriots. Most Americans just want to live their lives. He needs a way to reach them. At least he knows not to make them afraid. what an exquisite post
Two things come to mind. McLame and his rude mouth trying to demean Paul. McLame in your face, "we will stay in Iraq forever". That should open some peoples eyes that the man is unstable.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latesta. Did you all hear Huckabee's talk on what to do about health care? I couldn't make sense out of it, but he apparently wants to use the Federal government to implement PREEMPTIVE CARE. PREEMPTIVE CARE is like PREEMPTIVE WAR in terms of civil liberties.
#52. To: Peppa, buckeye, ALL (#46)
(by Peppa)
I tune out all the others, I only want to hear what Ron Paul says
in the past debates I watched, I listened intently to every word he said
this time I decided to lend him support via prayer
I figured I'll find out later what he said
when you listen to your tape please tell me all your impressions
just in case I don't get to see the debate in rerun
thank you
Love, Palo
and I can give a visual report
he looked relaxed, serious, lovely
and there was a statesman-like quality about him
what I mean is, he acted like this all matters and is real
and he is serious about it
#53. To: palo verde (#47)
Illegal immigration is not an issue for me, so whatever he said on that is fine with me
#54. To: who knows what evil (#45)
Paul is listed as a guest on Monday night's show with Jay Leno. Is this a NEW appearance, or a rerun of the previous appearance? Anyone know?
I will watch it, Monday night, perfect
I don't know if this is rerun of his last visit or new one
but I missed the last one, so I will watch it
Love, Palo
that would be good, no?
#55. To: buckeye (#49)
The moderator said we would all come together in 2009 with a new President as a nation. How can we, when the CFR is behind most of the people we see in these debates?
#56. To: buckeye (#53)
#57. To: tom007 (#48)
scrapper: He (Romney) called Iran Iraq to begin with and then
#58. To: palo verde (#54)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#59. To: palo verde (#52)
when you listen to your tape please tell me all your impressions
#60. To: buckeye (#53)
The rules were unspoken: the toughest guys got to talk. Ron Paul wasn't tough enough tonight.
#61. To: buckeye (#53)
not involved at all
Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?
I don't know
I've never followed the issue
just witnessed what a burning issue it was on LP
on which topic?
if it is illegal immigraton, I don't care
Love, Palo
#62. To: Peppa (#59)
Your post means so much to me
thank you
I love you
Palo
#63. To: scrapper2 (#57)
scrapper: He (Romney) called Iran Iraq to begin with and then
#64. To: scrapper2 (#56)
I'll have to find a video clip of the debate and listen to it again.
#65. To: palo verde (#61)
Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?
#66. To: tom007 (#60)
From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.
Ron Paul was not pushy
but it seemed OK, it did seem like he had time to talk and express himself
and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?
Love, Palo
#67. To: buckeye (#65)
Palo, dear - I am not trying to change your mind about this.
I apprecaite it
LOL I remembered your post about "happenings" for Ron Paul
and I started to giggle
I thought maybe Buckeye has a teensy bit of hippy in him :)
Love, Palo
#68. To: tom007 (#60)
From what I saw was the rudest the most "me first" candidates got easily the most time, the bullies.
#69. To: palo verde (#67)
I thought maybe Buckeye has a teensy bit of hippy in him :)
#70. To: buckeye (#69)
#71. To: palo verde (#66)
and when push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no? Love, Palo
#72. To: Critter (#70)
Is there a youtube of this yet? :)
#73. To: palo verde (#61)
Wouldn't Tancredo have done better if there were masses of people for who it is burning issue?
#74. To: palo verde, buckeye (#61)
I am concerned you report Ron Paul lost his grip on his own message in the debate on which topic? if it is illegal immigraton, I don't care
#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
#76. To: kiki, buckeye, Peppa, ALL (#64)
evidently abc is about to show it all again (after local news here), in case you want to watch or tape it.
I suspect Ron Paul did a lot better than it appears
I've watched debates with Ron Paul before, and I go with my feelings at first
I am disappointed he didn't do better
but when I look at it objectively (see the whole picture) I realize he did great
I want so badly for him to do well
that it obscures a true objective picture for me
Love, Palo
#77. To: buckeye (#72)
Give it overnight.
#78. To: Critter (#77)
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mypsace facebook and see what you find.
#79. To: scrapper2, Peppa, buckeye (#74)
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#80. To: buckeye (#68)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#81. To: who knows what evil (#80)
Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment "we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."?
#82. To: tom007 (#71)
(Palo) When push comes to shove, it is the content of what people say which matters, no?
The emotive content unfortunately seems to move the political masses
He very well could be getting info to bomb the others with their own words in the next debates.
He has done that in the past.
It just seems so real and down to earth
so it is all about content
and I think this is great
#83. To: who knows what evil (#80)
#84. To: palo verde, tom007 (#82)
Ya know, the beauty of Ron Paul is, he is not charismatic
#85. To: who knows what evil, buckeye, ALL (#80)
Speaking of rude...how about McCain's comment
"we're going to miss you tomorrow night, Ron..."?
*sshole.
I can't imagine what kind of person would vote for McCain.
guess who is aaying he will vote for McCain?
my husband!
I offered to register him GOP on the computer so he could vote in AZ primary for Ron Paul
and he said "I'm thinking of voting for McCain"
I don't get McCain's appeal at all
but as I said to my husband, "free will, free thought, free vote, vote for whoever you want"
and he said he will put up McCain sticker, I said "I will never ride in the truck then"
lol maybe it is fun for a husband to have a wife who is passionate Ron Paul supporter,
you can always get her to "have a fit" :)
#86. To: Cynicom (#83)
they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them. Count on it.
#87. To: Cynicom (#83)
I will guarantee you this, regardless which one of those people becomes the candidate,
they will have the gall and arrogance to demand Paul and his following support them.
Count on it.
When Ron Paul is the candidate, these jerks will have to decide if they will support him
Love, Palo
#88. To: palo verde (#85)
guess who is aaying he will vote for McCain?
#89. To: buckeye (#84)
yes for patriots, Ron Paul is perfect in every way
#90. To: tom007 (#86)
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