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Author! Author! See other Author! Author! Articles Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate Source: 4 URL Source: [None] Published: Jan 5, 2008 Author: buckeye Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye Keywords: Ron Paul Views: 2295 Comments: 103 Facebook URL Quick synopsis Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans. McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for. Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war. Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times. Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times. John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war. Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation. Illegal Immigration This is my main reason for posting this thread. It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet. Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare. The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration. Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion. The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people. Ron Paul's demeanor This was a fair debate with an open format. Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases. Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions. Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing. Ron Paul's victory He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants. He kept his humor, and joked several times. He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse. He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war. He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution. He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 77. #33. To: noone222, buckeye, ALL (#0) (Palo) I found this post by noone222 at the bottom of last night's thread, I am copying it here, because we are talking about these things here posters will want to read his 2 cents I have my own comment on it, I'll post it below by noone222 I don't think RP looked very confident last night. His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him unless he's able to get in the fray. I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ... but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed. "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp noone222 I want to give thought to how I respond to this because it matters so I'm just posting this now and will comment when I've thought about it I am glad NoOne raised this issue, because everyone has thought it but my hunch is it is not true I mean Dr Paul is doing everything perfectly, he does not have to be different but again, let me try to think it thru Love, Palo I would very much like to hear what everyone else thinks about this too? palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:35:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: noone222, buckeye, critter, Cynicom Peppa, Robin, ALL (#33) by noone222 I don't think RP looked very confident last night. His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him unless he's able to get in the fray. I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ... but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed. Ron Paul did look perfectly confident and relaxed last night he was not aggressive and he is not charismatic (does not have charisma) I looked up charisma in dictionary on google 1) a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader) 2) a special magnetic charm or appeal (the charisma of a popular actor) Ron Paul is a modest person He is a quiet person He is a calm person Ron Paul offers his mind and his character His mind is filled with sane and sensible ideas of how to stop the madness which has taken hold of our government now and steer our ship of state back to liberty, peace, and abundance Ron Paul is perfectly honest, trustworthy, and cannot be bought off It is a tremendous blessing of God, a man like that is running for President of the United States now and it is our job to put him in our Oval Office this time next year And we will On our side, our citizens all have minds the power elites are banking on their idea that we don't have minds but they are wrong and anyone who hears Ron Paul's message and gets to meet him on TV will be interested and a majority will want him to be our President Love, Palo palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: palo verde (#34) Don't think that I'm not 1000% supportive of Dr. Paul. I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate. While the others (unworthy to lace his shoes) seemed able to inject themselves whenever they wished, Dr. Paul waited until he was addressed by the moderator. This was likely the more polite approach, but formulas presented by the scumbags hogging the air time have already been heard for 100 years, haven't succeeded in the least, and is simply so much blah, blah, blah. One last thing just in case anyone has some insider ability to mention something to Dr. Paul. He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else. I KNOW his supporters are all ages, races, and religions, include members of every level of the social stratum and are looking to remain free from governmental intrusion and the nanny state. Dr. Pauls enthusiastic supporters are sick of the status quo and want real change and not the tired old repeated ad nauseum promises of change we hear every election cycle. Dr. Paul needs to show up and make himself noticed in the mainstream in order to win. I'm not saying he hasn't already made a huge difference, because he most definitely has. The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide. I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war. I've been watching politics for 45 years and never witnessed such a grass roots ground swell of wide ranging support. We must do all we can to win, even if that is so we know we did everything we could to salvage the country. It's very serious, and I don't think I have the capability to express just how serious it is. noone222  posted on  2008-01-06   12:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: noone222 (#40) (Edited) I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate. Ron Paul has admitted this on several occasions. Now is his time to change, to listen to his most supportive critics, and to step up and lead. This was likely the more polite approach, but formulas presented by the scumbags hogging the air time have already been heard for 100 years, haven't succeeded in the least, and is simply so much blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately, with the Establishment entrenched with traitors and charlatans, many who are leaning on the unstated violence behind the power elite, someone who can verbally scrap with the best of them is needed — so long as the scrapping happens at the right time. The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide. Right, and we are at a historic juncture now where another eight years of CFR dominated politics will seal our fate as the ultimate force behind one world government will be sealed We must stand against this. Illegal immigration is a tool these people are using to shred our cultural unity, and Americans who love this country know that. Ron Paul has failed to recruit all of these people to his side, however. Many believe we could bring in sound money and eliminate federal power, but if our country continues to be overrun by socialist-leaning Mexican invaders, we'll lose any remaining value for the Constitution. This is a legitimate fear. I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war. The media owns this story, just like any other. You know what I mean. buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   13:02:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: buckeye, noone222 (#51) noone222: I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate. buckeye: Ron Paul has admitted this on several occasions. Now is his time to change, to listen to his most supportive critics, and to step up and lead... The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide. I tend to agree with you both as long as when Dr. Paul does this he retains his composure and doesn't try to squeeze everything and the kitchen sink into his rebuttals. I recall the first debates when he tried to be more assertive and he talked a mile a minute and a good deal of he wanted to say was lost on the average teevee viewer. In the NH debate he slowed down and simplified his message but was not as assertive. So I think he is listening to his advisors but he's trying to find a happy medium - simple message and speak firmly but clearly. The upcoming S. Carolina debates may offer RP that perfect balance opportunity. If RP does well in NH, he'll be invited to participate in S. C. debates. Postscript: last night I caught some snippets of the Dem debate, and the experienced ones in political debates looked weak for yammering over one another - Hillary especially came across as a hormonal nag. Edwards had a good balance between not going off at the mouth but interjecting when he needed to say his brief rebuttal - I have to hand it to the Weasel Edwards - he does the best of all of them in debates. I'd like to see RP get the Edwards balance - maybe he should watch the debates to see what not to do ( Hillary) and what to do ( Edwards). Obama said hardly anything at all - much like what happened to RP last night - and interestingly enough - the hairdo commentators afterwards said that Obama at least did not hurt himself. So maybe that's how we need to view RP's NH performance - though he was not overly assertive, he did not hurt himself and in NH I would think RP has a decent chance of doing pretty well anyways because of the number of independents and libertarians. The debates were not that essential. It's SC where RP needs to reach out and win over new supporters. SC is an unknown to me. I don't know how that state shapes up for undecided vs decided. Does anyone know? scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-06   14:20:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: scrapper2 (#74) I can't answer your questions but I agree with what I'm reading in your commentary on the Democratic debate. Obama is a CFR fair haired boy, and he and Edwards can compete to see which one will accept the scepter, should Hillary continue to disqualify herself with antagonism. Governor Richardson did exceptionally well in the debate. These people are marvelous at deception. buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   14:37:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 77.         There are no replies to Comment # 77. End Trace Mode for Comment # 77. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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