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Title: McCain: I would have started Iraq war regardless of WMD
Source: The Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/McCai ... ld_have_started_Iraq_0106.html
Published: Jan 7, 2008
Author: David Edwards and Katie Baker
Post Date: 2008-01-07 18:14:54 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 227
Comments: 16

Published: Sunday January 6, 2008

According to presidential candidate John McCain, only the handling of the Iraq war was a mistake -- not the war itself.

"It's not American presence that bothers the American people, it's American causalities," said McCain in an interview with Tim Russert on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday.

The validity of this conjecture is questionable, as fifty-nine percent of Americans say the U.S. should “stick to a withdrawal timetable." But McCain said in a recent New Hampshire debate -- and reasserted as much on Sunday -- that as long as Americans aren't dying, he sees nothing wrong with US troops staying as many as 100 years in Iraq.

"What I believe we can achieve is a reduction in casualties to the point where the Iraqis are doing the fighting and dying [and] we're supporting them," McCain said.

He said it would be "hard to say" how many U.S. troops would need to stay in Iraq, but assured that they would be "out of harm's way."

When Russert asked him if, like Bush, McCain would have supported the Iraq war even if no weapons of mass destruction were believed present in Iraq, McCain seemed to dismiss the question as irrelevant.

"If frogs had wings ... we can talk about lots of hypotheticals," he said. "The point is if we had done it right, you and I wouldn't even be discussing it now."

This video is from NBC's Meet the Press, broadcast January 6, 2008.

HERE; rawstory.com/news/2007/Mc...ve_started_Iraq_0106.html

Excerpts from transcript:

# MR. RUSSERT: Looking back at the beginning of the war back in March of 2003 --

SEN. McCAIN: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: If you had known then, if the intelligence came out and said, "We know that Saddam Hussein does not have biological or chemical or a nuclear program," would you still have voted to authorize the war?

SEN. McCAIN: Well, obviously, given information that we have changes your decision-making process. But Saddam Hussein was still a threat. The sanctions were breaking down. There was a multibillion dollar Oil for Food scandal in the United Nations. Every day, American airplanes were being shot at. Saddam Hussein had used and required weapons of mass destruction in the past, and there was no doubt there was going to be in the future. The problem in Iraq, my friend, was not whether we went in or not, it's the way it was mishandled after the initial invasion.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, it's an important question -- President Bush has said, "Even if I knew he did not have biological, chemical, or a nuclear program, I still would go into Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein." Would you have?

SEN. McCAIN: Yes, but the point is, that if we had done it right, it's been well chronicled in many books, you and I wouldn't even be discussing that now-- the mishandling after the war.

Look, I met with a high-ranking former al Qaeda operative in Iraq recently, and I asked him, "How did you succeed?" He said, "The lawlessness after the initial invasion and Abu Ghraib," and so they were able to recruit people because of the disorder and the mishandling. So you would not be asking me if it had been mishandled. You would have said because we succeeded and established the stable Iraq, you'd have said, "Aren't you glad we went in because Saddam Hussein, one of the most brutal, most terrible dictators in history who fought in several wars, used weapons of mass destruction, invaded this neighbor, is now gone from the world scene." That's what you'd be saying.

MR. RUSSERT: I think there would be a debate amongst the American people if we were told he did not have biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons.

SEN. McCAIN: If frogs had wings -- look, Tim, we can talk about lots of hypotheticals. Would we have stopped Saddam Hussein from going into Kuwait back in '91 when he went in? Would we have said that the Chinese aren't going to cross -- if we had known that the Chinese were going to cross the Yalu in the Korean War, would we have done it differently?

I'd love to get into thousands of historical hypotheticals -- inaudible -- but what we knew at the time, and the information we had at the time, then every single intelligence agency in the world believed he had weapons of mass destruction.

MR. RUSSERT: So, bottom line, the war was not a mistake.

SEN. McCAIN: The war, "the invasion" was not a mistake. The handling of the war was a terrible mistake.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

SEN. McCAIN: The war, "the invasion" was not a mistake. The handling of the war was a terrible mistake.

They don't call him McNuts for nothing. Imagine what he'd do with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal..


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FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-07   18:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

McChurian is clearly insane.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-07   18:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#1)

Imagine what he'd do with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal..

Now that thought sends shivers up my back.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-07   19:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#2)

McChurian is clearly insane.

And what would you call the sheeple who would vote for such? UMMM???

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-07   19:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#2)

McChurian is clearly insane.

I have given him the benefit of the doubt for years.

But He's gone completely over the edge.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-07   19:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151 (#0)

"If frogs had wings ... we can talk about lots of hypotheticals," he said. "The point is if we had done it right, you and I wouldn't even be discussing it now."

Half correct. Failure has only accelerated the realization that the war is a waste of lives and money. It took a decade from Americans to see and understand the economic damage the Vietnam war was causing the nation. With Iraq people are waking up much sooner.

"Stay the course" indeed. The USSR held fast in Vietnam and beyond and threw the wealth of their nation away funding the "workers revolution." Oh, they had plenty of victories, but we all saw how the USSR ended up.

When Americans are eating cabbage 3 meals a day and forced to trade in the HUMVEEs for Yugos and Tribants, they won't care about spreading democracy.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-01-07   19:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: iconoclast, richard9151, all (#5)

Clearly, dear John's gone round the bend.

He lost me when he ditched his wife to grab hot Cindy (and her multi-million dollar dad's beer fortune), but that's just me.

Much like when the Newt lost me on his wife-swapping adventures.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-07   21:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lodwick (#7)

Clearly, dear John's gone round the bend.

...and what does that say about the voters who support him? (Especially in 'anti-war' New Hampshire...)

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who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   21:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#0)

"What I believe we can achieve is a reduction in casualties to the point where the Iraqis are doing the fighting and dying [and] we're supporting them," McCain said.

This is what they called "Vietnamization" back in the 1960s.

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...  posted on  2008-01-07   21:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lodwick (#2)

It's an interesting cast of candidates that are being offered up to us. An insane Bush clone, two religious kooks, a guy who poses for photos in a dress, a colored guy and a woman that no one likes.

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...  posted on  2008-01-07   21:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: ... (#10)

It's an interesting cast of candidates that are being offered up to us. An insane Bush clone, two religious kooks, a guy who poses for photos in a dress, a colored guy and a woman that no one likes.

Pretty perfect summation of the candidates - save one, or two (if you still count Mike Gravel)

Our pols really suck, all in all.

They really do.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-07   21:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#0)

That one interview just lost him any chance of winning the GE. The repukes, OTOH, will eat it up. Let em.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   1:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ... (#10)

a colored guy

This is a problem?

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   2:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Mekons4 (#13)

a colored guy

This is a problem?

Yes, it is, if you want your candidate to get elected.

And before you say anything, remember, my wife is indian, so I have a pretty good idea what I am talking about having seen first-hand how people accept/do not accept those who are different.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-08   10:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lodwick (#7)

He lost me when he ditched his wife to grab hot Cindy (and her multi-million dollar dad's beer fortune), but that's just me.

Much like when the Newt lost me on his wife-swapping adventures.

Decidedly not the morality party's finest moments.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-08   11:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: richard9151 (#4)

you call the sheeple who would vote for such? UMMM???

Tories.

Live free or die.

angle  posted on  2008-01-08   11:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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