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Title: NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary
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Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2008-01-08 20:15:12 by Brian S
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NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary Real-time Race Results: Updated January 8, 2008 - 8:11 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 11% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 7,896 37% 0 Winner Romney 5,976 28% 0 Huckabee 2,591 12% 0 Giuliani 1,885 9% 0 Paul 1,812 9% 0 Thompson 305 1% 0 Hunter 126 1% 0
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#264. To: Cynicom (#250)
Perhaps you watched Paul on Leno last nite. Leno asked the question of who would Paul pick of the others for his VP... I meant to watch Leno last night, I don't know what happened IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP How did Ron answer that question?
It'll be much more difficult to do nationwide what they could have done in the small state of NH.
palo.. It was a well worded NO. If the question was not planted, Leno did well on his own.
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
I bet she's pretty proud of herself as well.. It was good for Israel. Fuck the stupid Goys. /Hasbarfa
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
How did Ron answer that question? RP was polite - as I recall he said the current crop of GOP candidates would have to change their positions considerably but if any of them became more in sync with RP's positions he'd give those candidates consideration - RP said for example he tried to educate Rudy about foreign policy issues by recommending various books but thusfar Rudy did not seem to available himself of RP's reading list so RP did not seem hopeful about the others either.
My thinking... Paul would do well to announce to the grassroots and to the public that he is in this to the bitter end, win lose or draw, via the pub party or via a third party. That automatically defeats the republican warmonger. I would much rather be one of 30 million voters for Paul in a third party race than sit at home doing nothing. Perot garnered 20 million and Paul can do better. Before vast waves the white flag whining Paul wont win, I wont to say no kidding, how observant of you.
so my best response is to come back stronger, no? Of course it is palo, but with the machines in SC more than likely rigged, I won't hold my breath for good results there.. we'll see South Carolina may be honest, just as Iowa was Love, Palo
If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW. Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him lose.
I saw it and I thought Leno asked if he'd be willing to be VP if asked by another candidate. I don't remember Leno asking who Ron would choose.
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And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll. I'm not sure if the poll was reflected in how the votes went tonight in NH college towns.
Neil You have it backward. I suspect Paul asked him to ask it, maybe not.
It's good. It must happen.
I'm stunned.
With such an announcement I suspect we would see a major shift in the pub candidates toward Paul, trying to CYA.
(scrapper2) RP was polite - as I recall he said the current crop of GOP candidates would have to change their positions considerably RP said for example he tried to educate Rudy about foreign policy issues by recommending various books but thusfar Rudy did not seem to available himself of RP's reading list so RP did not seem hopeful about the others either. O Scrapper, you are the best GO Ron GO!!!
another brilliant and practical idea of yours!
Scrap is younger than me with a better memory.
It is a waste of time trying to penetrate the firewall that the slicks have around Paul. You note Hillary did bad in Iowas and immediately brought in new faces.
(Buckeye) I'm stunned. Rudy is socially liberal here in Tucson, most Tucsonans go to the community college and I know at the U of Arizona, my Ron Paul Meet Up group had very successful Love, Palo
It is like fighting with one hand tied behind our backs I think the money will stop gushing in to them, if they don't use it to better avail To Ron Paul campaign people, WAKE UP!!
It might be a bit too early to expect that RP has received any firm committments from people he has contacted. I did not mind the way he handled that question - he made a few jokes - and I think it went over well. But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own and RP said Dennis Kucinich. And RP then quickly qualified his choice by saying Kucinich and he were both anti-Iraq War but they were very far apart on domestic policies. However, I'm not sure if anyone kept listening to RP's qualification ( except for devoted RP supporters like me) after they heard him pick Kucinich as being closest to him in policy positions - it was the end of the interview with a lead into a commercial break. If I were RP, I would have just said I don't see any Dem candidate that reflects my constitutionally based positions. But for RP to pick a statistical last place loser of a Dem candidate ie. Kucinich, who is also so left wing he almost falls off the charts was most unfortunate. In fact, if I were an undecided NH independent and heard RP basically aligning himself with a) a loser and b) a far left socialist - I would have been very turned off. Americans like winners generally speaking and NH itself is not a hotbed of socialism. That particular response did not help RP at all imo.
this post made me giggle :)
thank you for your informative post on this Scrapper
usually its a stinky candidate with a great campaign team but let's be honest what matters is the candidate
Dennis voted against the Patriot Act like Ron Paul
palo verde: thank you for your informative post on this Scrapper this one I see the opposite of you, I think Ron Paul answered that question perfectly God I love that guy he's so perfect in every way Love, Palo Maybe I'm being to overly sensitive to political perceptions that result from something that might not have much significence one way or another. RP appeals to a broad cross section of supporters. So maybe there are some supporters who think Kucinch is not so bad. However, I'm more of a paleo-conservative with a sprinkle of libertarian and consequently I projected how I would interpret RP's choice - which was to have my hair stand on end. A guy like Kucinich - a bigtime nanny statist who believes in redistribution of wealth so everyone can be equally miserable -is the absolute worst candidate in the 2 parties combined from my perspective. Kucinich stands for everything I loathe. His anti-Iraq War position is the exception but even that does not make up for all of Kucinich's negatives.
I think that was possible before 9/11. Even Bush ran on no national building.
I'm stunned. Indeed. I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa. I quite seriously believe that many of these Hillary voters were switchover Republicrats who believe Hillary is the most beatable in the final go round. These are the masses of voters who live and die by casting their lesser-of-two-evils vote every four years. I call them the Superbowl voters who treat politics as some kind of mindless our "team" must win at any cost woodenheads. American politics has become so full of such inanities that we face tremendous obstacles in our crusade for a return to a sane political arena. Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Right. It's time for a change of tactics for the RP campaign, though. What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
My emotions at the moment run more along the lines of giving this good man a boot in the pants or a good shaking. Droll exagerations like the Kucinich remark for the purpose of making a point (character and principle over empty establishment blah-blah) do not feed the bulldog. Niceness does not rule out combativeness. I give you Ron Reagan as example.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Well, I still think he's sitting on the dough till the third party announcement. Having said that, no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
(Buckeye) Right. It's time for a change of tactics for the RP campaign, though. What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way we'll see what happens the only reason vote fraud in New Hampshire matters, is in how we interpret the results of the election plus actions have results, when NH voters discover their votes weren't counted when there are hard facts, we'll see what happens next I don't think we should count on the media for anything but I never did from the start fo the campaign I know this was grass-roots all the way and we will previal all my love, Palo notice that what Ron polled at in Iowa is what he got
If RP's staff doesn't wake up or shake up, the money will dry up. Two months of freezing your butt off for a Keystone Cop run campaign, hardly sustains and builds further on a grassroot base. Some of which as we know, quit their jobs, to devote to RP's success. Voter fraud was a known threat already, so I am hoping some went in with open eyes. However, Ron's staff appears to be comprimised and heads must roll.
I perceived NH to be the same way as you, iconoclast, but we were both wrong. The demographics of the state has changed and along with it came a change in the state's politics. There are more nanny state benefit dependents than independents in NH and they all came out to vote for the candidate who will most likely continue to deliver or enhance their bennies. I found this analysis quite telling: www. cbsnews.com/stories/2...olitics/main3689566.shtml "Why Clinton Won: Women, Labor Households And Low-Income Voters Bring N.Y. Senator N.H. Victory" ...Clinton held her own among late deciders, beating back the Obama surge and winning courtesy of a significant Granite State gender gap and support from other traditional wings of the Democratic Party. The Coalitions New Hampshire women went big for Clinton, supporting her 46 percent to 34 percent for Obama. And as 57 percent of the Democratic primary electorate, women were enough to make the difference. Among men, Obama turned the tables, beating Clinton 40 percent to 29 percent. In third place, John Edwards received 19 percent of the male vote and 15 percent of women's votes. Clinton pulled together a traditional coalition of Democratic voters for this victory - labor households, voters with relatively low incomes and education, and, of course, women. Union households, which make up one-fifth of the New Hampshire Democratic primary electorate, voted for Clinton 40 percent to 31 percent for Obama. Among voters with household incomes less than $50,000 a year, Clinton beat Obama by 15 points, and by 18 points among those with no more than a high school diploma. Similarly, Clinton won the votes of self-described Democrats in this open party primary state. Among those who typically consider themselves Democrats she won 45 percent of the vote to 34 percent for Obama. For Obama, the generation of new and young voters that propelled him to victory in the Iowa caucuses last week was not there in New Hampshire. While Obama won nearly half of voters who had never voted in a primary election before, these voters made up only 19 percent of the primary electorate. And while Obama beat Clinton by 60 percent to 22 percent among the youngest voters - those 18 to 24 years old - his advantage among other voters under 40 was much slimmer than seen in Iowa. Obama did win the independent vote in New Hampshire. He beat Clinton among those considering themselves independents by 10 points - 41 to 31 percent. The rest of Obama's support base in New Hampshire came from the more elite elements of the Democratic electorate. He won the vote of those in households making more than $100,000 a year 41 percent to 36 percent for Clinton. And he won voters with advanced educational degrees by 12 points. Clinton stemmed the Obama tide in the last three days of the campaign in New Hampshire. While Clinton trailed by 15 points among voters who decided their vote sometime last week, she split the late-breaking vote with Obama- 36 percent and 37 percent respectively..." Also regarding the number of Dem vs GOP voters that turned out as a whole... from daily kos last night using CNN statistics: 280,000 people voted for Democrats, 220,000 for Republicans. In 2000, turnout looked like this: Repub.: 238,606 Democratic: 154,639 Repubs lost ~20,000 voters while Dems damn near doubled! the 280k is a Dem primary record (up from 220k in '04), the 220k down from ~238k when McCain ran in 2000.
I forgot to ping you regarding the change in voter demographics in NH - definitely a gender imbalance as well as a change in socio-economic background.
This reminds me of the "New Square Four" as written about by Barbara Olson in her book The Final Days. It was relative to an 11th hour pardon by Bill to deliver a win for Hillary's Senate race. I'll have to dig through it, but I believe there was a powerful precinct that voted 100% for Hillary. Also, this brings back memories of the Marc Rich money, and the shenanigans of Hugh Rodham. I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon. I remember after Olson's death, they tried to stopy Regnery from publishing her book. Checking Amazon quickly, it's out of print.
Where is she? In a love nest with Elvis?
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Down in the Jungle Room. ;)
I think you're fooling yourself if you beleve you'll get that many shots on target when it's all on the line. There are plenty of accounts of several 9mm rounds on target failing to stop assailants. The reason .45, .44, .40, 10mm are favored is that one shot puts them down. Same with a 12 gauge. But don't just take my word - check around.
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That to me seemed to be a planted question by Paul and very interesting.
I just cannot figure out what was the purpose.
#265. To: palo verde, Cynicom (#262)
and you and Former Lurker and others have come up with top notch ideas for them
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#266. To: palo verde (#264)
#267. To: christine, Cynicom (#252)
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
#268. To: FormerLurker (#263)
.. and Goldi removed most of the Ron Paul supporters from her site.
#269. To: palo verde (#264)
IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP
#270. To: FormerLurker (#265)
#271. To: FormerLurker (#228)
I was so idealistic and naive about New Hampshire and look what they did
voter fraud on Ron Paul
ya know the original AP report about keeping Ron Paul out of the Fox debate
said it was the decision of the NH GOP
notice how 2 days before the Fox debate, the NH GOP took that "principled stand" to disavow the debate
I bet the New Hampshire GOP had figured out how to work the fraud
and then could "afford" to be so "noble"
"Let Ron Pual be in the debate" they said
I pray so
#272. To: scrapper2 (#269)
#273. To: Cynicom (#250)
Leno asked the question of who would Paul pick of the others for his VP...That to me seemed to be a planted question by Paul and very interesting. I just cannot figure out what was the purpose.
#274. To: buckeye (#267)
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
#275. To: Pinguinite (#273)
#276. To: Cynicom (#270)
Paul would do well to announce to the grassroots and to the public that he is in this to the bitter end, win lose or draw, via the pub party or via a third party.
#277. To: scrapper2 (#274)
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
#278. To: buckeye (#276)
#279. To: scrapper2 (#269)
(Palo) IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP
How did Ron answer that question?
but if any of them became more in sync with RP's positions he'd give those candidates consideration -
thank you very much for this post
Ya gotta hand it to Ron Paul
what a lovely gentleman he is, and how perfectly he answered that question
He is the ideal combo, perfectly honest, plus perfect gentleman
we really are backing a lovely man for President
Love, Palo
#280. To: Cynicom (#272)
If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW.
Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him loose.
you are good at this
Love, Palo
#281. To: palo verde (#279)
#282. To: palo verde (#280)
#283. To: buckeye, scrapper2, ALL (#277)
(Scrapper) And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
most college students are too
but Dartmouth is Ivy League, it is not typical college
meeting wirh the campus Republicans there
#284. To: Cynicom (#282)
It is a waste of time trying to penetrate the firewall that the slicks have around Paul. You note Hillary did bad in Iowas and immediately brought in new faces.
that Ron Paul's campaign people stink
they have to get wtih the program
I don't know what will wake them up
maybe they will believe the fraud vote in New Hampshire, and think they have to make some big changes
that would be a good outcome from this "disaster"
Love, Palo
#285. To: Cynicom, palo verde (#272)
If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW. Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him lose.
#286. To: Cynicom (#278)
#287. To: scrapper2 (#285)
But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate
who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own
and RP said Dennis Kucinich.
this one I see the opposite of you, I think Ron Paul answered that question perfectly
God I love that guy
he's so perfect in every way
Love, Palo
#288. To: Cynicom, scrapper2, ALL (#282)
we have a great candidate, but inept campaign team LOL
which is why Ron Paul will win
#289. To: scrapper2 (#285)
Kucinich
he voted against Iraq War like Ron Paul
like Ron Paul he has voted against all the funding for the wars
and like Ron Paul he voted against Real ID
#290. To: palo verde (#287)
scrapper: But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own and RP said Dennis Kucinich.
#291. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#170)
There were a number of suggestions at this site, suggesting that this nation can be saved by people actually joining the GOP party and change that abomination from within. What an abominable idea.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#292. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#170)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#293. To: buckeye, scrapper2 (#277)
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
#294. To: iconoclast (#293)
Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
#295. To: palo verde, buckeye, scrapper2 (#279)
Ya gotta hand it to Ron Paul what a lovely gentleman he is, and how perfectly he answered that question He is the ideal combo, perfectly honest, plus perfect gentleman we really are backing a lovely man for President
#296. To: buckeye (#294)
What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
#297. To: buckeye, iconoclast, critter, noone222, Peppa, TwentyTwelve, who knows what evil, tom007, Dakmar, lodwick, critter, Robin, Zipporah, Fred Mertz, Itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#294)
(iconoclast) Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
I posted on this thread till late at night last night
I fell asleep instant head hit pillow
and instantly I dreamt I was in a big room where everyone was wildly cheering
and jumping uo and down, because our team won the game
some sports game
but when I opened my eyes to interpret the dream it hit me in the face
"our team won!" -- it is referring to our team behind Ron Paul
if he had actually gotten 8 per cent, it would not be encouraging
but if he got 18 percent it is very encouraging
it means Ron Paul came in third
which I think is exactly what happened
which isn't that hard to find out
they can easily find out how many Meet Up members are in each town
how many people contributed money in each town
and between the two of them compile a solid list of Ron Paul voters
and compare it to the vote tally for that town
Iowa had honest election
what he polled at in New Hampshire, he got half
#298. To: palo verde (#297)
I know this was grass-roots all the way
#299. To: iconoclast, buckeye, Cynicom, christine, Peppa, Critter, who knows what evil (#293)
I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa.
#300. To: palo verde, Brian S, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, lodwick, rowdee, BrentFromCanada, farmfriend (#299)
#301. To: iconoclast (#293)
I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa.
#302. To: Peppa (#301)
I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon.
#303. To: iconoclast (#302)
In a love nest with Elvis?
#304. To: Dakmar (#169)
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