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Title: NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary
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Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2008-01-08 20:15:12 by Brian S
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NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary Real-time Race Results: Updated January 8, 2008 - 8:11 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 11% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 7,896 37% 0 Winner Romney 5,976 28% 0 Huckabee 2,591 12% 0 Giuliani 1,885 9% 0 Paul 1,812 9% 0 Thompson 305 1% 0 Hunter 126 1% 0
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#15. To: All, Vote Count Update (#0)
If Paul can pull 10% in a Republican primary with the goob foolers aligned against him, I think he would actually have a chance as an independent. It's too bad he isn't considering this. There's a good chance it's going to come down to Hillary vs McCain. Hillary's not going to pull away goobs conditioned to hate Hillary on command no matter how much they dislike the war. Paul could pull from both sides.
It is time that he gives it serious consideration. Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent? Not good, I'd say. A lot of people have woken up to liberty with Ron Paul's campaign. Very encouraging but even so, there are still tons of dufuses out there who are sick of the war in Iraq and are now working hard bomb Iran.
Very little but I didn't want to be so blunt and not give some hope. Ron Paul will never be President of these United States. Sorry but it 'is what it is'. I was one of the first to 'lock on' to RP back some 2 years ago and initiated the ping list on this forum around that time. I'm disappointed but there is only so much one can do before they have to except reality. I would love to be wrong and have all of you 'shove this post down my throat', indeed.
well said....and you are far from alone in this sentiment.
we can hash out the reasons for this and that til the cows come home. all we need to know, and it's certain, is that the people's votes and wishes will never be known. the sooner we all accept that, the better. remember that the majority of americans are anti-war but it matters not. having said that, like Brian, i'll be happy if y'all are able to shove this post down my throat.
If RP can't get even a 3rd place showing in New fucking Hampshire against that gaggle of pandering assholes then this country is screwed beyond any hope of redemption.
I totally agree. It was nice while it lasted, and it's rather sad that there are so few of us that loved it enough to try to keep it alive. Looks like the fluoridation, mercury in vaccines, neurotoxins in food via additives and pesticides, along with constant brain-washing by the "media" worked.
Some of us must be immune to that shit. And all the young people coming out in favor of Ron Paul suggest that maybe the problem is something else. I think it is fraud, pure and simple.
That could be. It could also be a flock of old goobers that swallow every lie they hear on TV, and simply vote for whomever their local newspaper editor tells them to. One thing about McCain though is that he was actually having live Town Hall meetings across the state, unlike Ron Paul who didn't really have any as far as I know, except for the one on Sunday night in Manchester.
Precincts Reporting: 185 Of 301 61% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 50,684 37% Mitt Romney 42,817 31% Mike Huckabee 15,765 12% Rudy Giuliani 11,818 9% Ron Paul 10,864 8%
Rudy Giuliani 11,818 9% Ron Paul 10,864 8% So Ron Paul is getting half of what Rasmussen polled him at
The whole world is watching to see what Americans are going to do about it.
I'm not buying this "fishy" business. Older people from the north may simply not like Ron Paul's anti-New Deal stance, or his "bring all the troops home" message. This should not surprise us too much. The media's dislike for Ron Paul is easily all it takes to keep him from getting elected, since we literally learn all we know about candidates through media sources. They vary some, but 90% have either ignored Ron Paul or have shown massive prejudice against him. The real conspiracy here is in control of the media, and control over education. Pro-government state-funded education is an impact on these people that can last for a lifetime. We're a unique bunch for liking Ron Paul. We are trying to change minds through our own medium, but it's still not the primary source of news for every major voting bloc. Don't give up yet, though. Ron Paul can taste victory. He will have his chance yet to reach through the cobwebs of prejudice and ignorance. We're going to have to help him offline, though. An MSNBC exit poll follows. I include a highlight on Ron Paul supporters lower gun ownership in order to show that McCain voters are actually more traditional in some ways. Some Ron Paul voters are clearly just voting to stop the war in Iraq, and are greens or pacifists. This is GOOD. I welcome anyone's support for Ron Paul, left or right. But you can see that McCain speaks to traditional people (I've witnessed this myself, although I get hoarse trying to prove them wrong).
buck... I think it is much simpler than that. There is a sad lack of name recognition. I speak to so many people that have NEVER heard of Ron Paul that you wonder where they have been living. That is a fact, it has nothing to do with his message or Paul. War, taxes etc etc means nothing if you have never heard of the man.
Well I agree with you to a point, but older New Dealers will not like his message, when they do hear it. It didn't take election fraud to deliver NH to Clinton and McCain. Voter recognition and voter acceptance of Ron Paul's message needs to happen offline now. We've tried to make our point online here that the campaign should simplify and use traditional advertising. Whole markets may be closed to his message at any price. To give you an idea how expensive premium advertising is, $20 million is pocket change. Consider that Superbowl advertising is about $2.4 million a whack, as of 2005. Think about that. It takes billions to make the minds of Americans change. And there are billions being spent in overt and tacit, long-haul ways, to elect other candidates to protect the status quo.
People here are already waving the white flag. Hillary we will have.
Many think that's already been determined, well before now. With RP's showing in probably the most Libertarian state in the Union, and with the hatred most feel towards Republicans (aka neocons), especially when looking at the vote totals, it's pretty much a given that there's no way in hell a Republican will be elected president this election.
With Paul supporters already waving the white flag, there is only one alternative if he is indeed serious and that is to go third party.
I'll continue to support RP, but my hopes for him getting the nomination are strongly diminshed. As you say, his only hope I think is to run 3rd party, but the chances of that working out are slim.
Is that a picture of Byteshredder?
New Hampshire Republican Primary Precincts Reporting: 242 Of 301 80% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 70,545 36% Mitt Romney 60,750 32% Mike Huckabee 21,191 11% Rudy Giuliani 16,538 9% Ron Paul 14,762 8% Others 7,708 4%
Rudy Giuliani 16,538 9% Ron Paul 14,762 8% I really can't see how Ron Paul could be almost 7000 votes behind Huckleberry.
Really odd, the NH voters picked a preacher and assorted war mongers. That does not compute.
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll. I'm not sure if the poll was reflected in how the votes went tonight in NH college towns.
I'm stunned.
I'm stunned. Indeed. I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa. I quite seriously believe that many of these Hillary voters were switchover Republicrats who believe Hillary is the most beatable in the final go round. These are the masses of voters who live and die by casting their lesser-of-two-evils vote every four years. I call them the Superbowl voters who treat politics as some kind of mindless our "team" must win at any cost woodenheads. American politics has become so full of such inanities that we face tremendous obstacles in our crusade for a return to a sane political arena. Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
Right. It's time for a change of tactics for the RP campaign, though. What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
Well, I still think he's sitting on the dough till the third party announcement. Having said that, no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
money won't make up for it
Rasmussen had Ron Paul polling 8 per cent in Iowa but as I said the stupidest thing we can do is derail the whole campaign over vote fraud in New Hampshire
Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now Love, Palo
Love, Palo Although the Huckster is a bornagainrapturenutterRINO with no conservative positions, no particular message, I can understand why he is the most attractive of the GOPer's and RP may want to pay heed - Huckabee is very personable, he is very relaxed and he has a nice sense of humor and a nice smile big dimples - I saw him interviewed by Jay Leno and by Craig Ferguson and both times Huckabee did remarkably well. I found myself smiling along whenever he made some corny small jokes before I caught myself doing so! Then I smacked my forehead - sheesh - scrapper, that's the Huckster, smarten up! Although Dr. Paul has a terrific message and a common sense constitutionally based platform, he's so tense, so tight, so wanting to do well, you can sense that he's trying hard to appear light and easy - he forces himself to make some jokes and although he's always the articulate gentleman, RP is not telegenic - Huckster is like a big cuddly puppy dog - people forget the Huckster has no message and no platform because he makes them feel so calm and relaxed and warm and fuzzy in his presence. Huckster is a lawyer by trade and also a minister so public speaking is second nature to him. But Dr. Paul, as a physician, never needed to learn the art of public speaking- his profession typically demanded that he be proficient in one on one communication skills either with his patients or in conferring with his colleagues or fellows or residents - also the language used in medicine is very linear, scientific, brief, to the point - now Dr. Paul is swimming with the sharks, most of whom are lawyers and experienced in public speaking - and he's struggling to project a relaxed persona but at the same time he wants to deliver his message in an understandable format to laymen. He's not able to use the communication style or skills or vocabulary he used in medicine - he's addressing a different public at large. Even as a Congressman, he did not face the public speaking challenges that he faces now competing as a Pres candidate in the national theatre. I think it would help alot if Dr. Paul got some intensive lessons on public speaking from a voice coach - it wouldn't take much coaching - he's a very bright guy -but nonetheless I think it could be very useful so he gains some self confidence and learns how to project light and easy and happy while he is delivering the RP message. Basically, RP needs to become more telegenic and in short order so people remember him and his message.
Scrap... I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist???
I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist??? Sort of...ha, ha... However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn the art of schmoozing a) to get the public's attention, b) to have them like him so they let themselves be open to listening to his message and c) finally, to remember him when it's time for them to cast their ballots. He needs to reach out to the undecided, the fence sitters. RP needs to make himself as personally memorable as his platform. We only need to look at the lessons being taught re: Huckabee's popularity - he has hardly any $ and he's holding his own with candidates with huge war chests like Romney and Giuliani. Ditto for inexperienced Obama coming out of nowhere to challenge Hillary, the almost coronated Queen. Hillary is neither likeable or personable. Ditto for Romney. Both are polished but cold. Huckabee and Obama come across as "nice guys." That's what the public wants - someone they can relate to, someone who puts them at ease, someone they could invite over for Sunday pot roast and not feel pressed to have the fine china and silverware on the table.
scrap... Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy. Your thinking is why I suggested he pick a VP now, younger, good orator and turn him loose across the country, Napalitano comes to mind as an example. The message is the important segment not the looks and presentation of the messenger but alas that is how people vote.
#329. To: Cynicom (#328)
Cynicom - smart people are quick studies - and Dr. Paul is very very smart. I think it depends how motivated RP is to WIN. To win he absolutely needs to become a student again and be taught some new tricks - after all these years of being in a position of power first as an MD and then as a Congressman -learning the art of schmoozing from a voice coach likely a younger person with much less academic credentials than he has might take some humility and flexibility. However, if he made up his mind to submit to being coached, I'll bet it wouldn't take more than a couple of lessons in the course of a 2 week period - the lessons and a few trial runs and then corrective actions and RP would be up and away. Cyni - Hollywood takes strangers off the street with no acting experience at all - they want a new face and they give them a few lessons and turn them loose in front of cameras and build multi-million dollar films around them. RP can do it if he wants to. Waiting until RP gets a VP mate to do the telegenic delivery stuff will be way too late.
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Precincts Reporting 17% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 11,632 37% 0 Winner Romney 8,674 28% 0 Huckabee 3,803 12% 0 Giuliani 2,874 9% 0 Paul 2,662 9% 0 Thompson 445 2% 0 Hunter 172 1% 0
#16. To: Brian S (#15)
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#20. To: ... (#16)
I think he would actually have a chance as an independent. It's too bad he isn't considering this.
#32. To: Brian S (#20)
#68. To: Pinguinite (#32)
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent?
#91. To: Brian S (#68)
#97. To: All (#91)
#107. To: christine (#97)
#112. To: orangedog (#107)
If RP can't get even a 3rd place showing in New fucking Hampshire against that gaggle of pandering assholes then this country is screwed beyond any hope of redemption.
#115. To: FormerLurker (#112)
Looks like the fluoridation, mercury in vaccines, neurotoxins in food via additives and pesticides, along with constant brain-washing by the "media" worked.
#118. To: Critter (#115)
(Edited)
I think it is fraud, pure and simple.
#130. To: FormerLurker, Critter (#118)
#135. To: TwentyTwelve, ALL (#130)
Mike Huckabee 15,765 12%
and Rasmussen has never been wrong
I think the Iowa results were honest
but I think something is fishy here in NH
JMHO of course
#140. To: palo verde, FormerLurker, FOH, Critter, wudidiz (#135)
..but I think something is fishy here in NH
#158. To: TwentyTwelve, palo verde, FormerLurker, FOH, Critter, wudidiz, Cynicom (#140)
palo: ..but I think something is fishy here in NH
Age-65Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson Yes 50 8 13 0 42 8 27 1 No 50 9 12 1 32 6 34 0 Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson 18-24 9 15 15 - 27 19 17 0 25-29 5 4 11 - 37 15 33 - 30-39 15 11 12 - 38 9 28 3 40-49 23 10 12 1 35 7 31 1 50-64 34 8 12 1 38 6 30 1 65 or over 15 6 7 0 40 3 44 - Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson 18-64 85 9 12 1 36 9 29 1 65 or over 15 6 7 0 40 3 44 -
#165. To: buckeye (#158)
Older people from the north may simply not like Ron Paul's anti-New Deal stance, or his "bring all the troops home" message
#174. To: Cynicom (#165)
There is a sad lack of name recognition. I speak to so many people that have NEVER heard of Ron Paul that you wonder where they have been living.
#178. To: buckeye (#174)
#192. To: Cynicom (#178)
Hillary we will have.
#198. To: FormerLurker (#192)
#205. To: Cynicom (#198)
With Paul supporters already waving the white flag, there is only one alternative if he is indeed serious and that is to go third party.
#212. To: FormerLurker (#205)
#220. To: TwentyTwelve (#212)
#227. To: FormerLurker (#220)
#231. To: TwentyTwelve (#227)
Mike Huckabee 21,191 11%
#235. To: FormerLurker (#231)
#252. To: Cynicom, palo verde, buckeye, FormerLurker (#235)
Really odd, the NH voters picked a preacher and assorted war mongers. That does not compute.
#267. To: christine, Cynicom (#252)
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
#274. To: buckeye (#267)
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
#277. To: scrapper2 (#274)
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
#293. To: buckeye, scrapper2 (#277)
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
#294. To: iconoclast (#293)
Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
#296. To: buckeye (#294)
What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
#313. To: iconoclast (#296)
no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
but we do have an extraordinary candidate
anyone who hears Ron Paul would be instantly converted, if they love liberty, peace and abundance
which are natural things to love
lol having truth on our side is no small potatoes :)
Love, Palo
#316. To: buckeye, ALL (#313)
He got 10 per cent of the vote
we just have to decide how we will intelligently deal with vote fraud in the future
Love, Palo
#319. To: palo verde (#316)
#323. To: buckeye, ALL (#319)
Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
I still think our thinking is solid
That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want
and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#325. To: palo verde (#323)
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now I still think our thinking is solid That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#326. To: scrapper2 (#325)
#327. To: Cynicom (#326)
(Edited)
Scrap...
#328. To: scrapper2 (#327)
However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn
Replies to Comment # 328. Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy.
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