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Title: NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary
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Published: Jan 8, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-01-08 20:15:12 by Brian S
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NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary Real-time Race Results: Updated January 8, 2008 - 8:11 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 11% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 7,896 37% 0 Winner Romney 5,976 28% 0 Huckabee 2,591 12% 0 Giuliani 1,885 9% 0 Paul 1,812 9% 0 Thompson 305 1% 0 Hunter 126 1% 0
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#301. To: iconoclast (#293)
This reminds me of the "New Square Four" as written about by Barbara Olson in her book The Final Days. It was relative to an 11th hour pardon by Bill to deliver a win for Hillary's Senate race. I'll have to dig through it, but I believe there was a powerful precinct that voted 100% for Hillary. Also, this brings back memories of the Marc Rich money, and the shenanigans of Hugh Rodham. I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon. I remember after Olson's death, they tried to stopy Regnery from publishing her book. Checking Amazon quickly, it's out of print.
Where is she? In a love nest with Elvis?
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
Down in the Jungle Room. ;)
I think you're fooling yourself if you beleve you'll get that many shots on target when it's all on the line. There are plenty of accounts of several 9mm rounds on target failing to stop assailants. The reason .45, .44, .40, 10mm are favored is that one shot puts them down. Same with a 12 gauge. But don't just take my word - check around.
I've decided to "suck it up" about the vote fraud in New Hampshire altho New Hampshire Ron Paul voters shoould look into why their votes were not tallied Love, Palo Cynicom, I meant to ping you to my post #297 above Ditto, Scrapper, I thought I had pinged you too!
Good plan, Palo. www.ncsl.org/programs/leg...Pres_Primary_Calendar.htm Which says there's a primary January 15 - Michigan. Nevada is the same day as SC. How is RP polling there?
The next time one of the NAU NWO NEOCON VAMPIRES laughs at him in a debate, I'd like RP to pick out one of them and say "What exactly is so funny?" and then lace the son of a bitch with the facts. Can RP do that? Can he play National Politics??
However, Ron's staff appears to be compromised and heads must roll. I'm not sure what this means? I see no evidence of that Altho if there had been honest counting of votes in NH, and Ron Paul had pulled in 18 percent and come in third I actually think he should use his big dough to assemble the best campaign staff money can buy I think it will work out OK Love, Palo
Palo verde the funny trait of forming water-repellent soils under it. By not allowing the water to stay under it and shedding the water out to its drip line it can out compete even the annuals. I am glad you are innovative and tough as the little tree you take your nick from and it reminds me of you. ;-) Ron Paul is bring us the spring of hope, let is not dispair and lose resolve in the face of oppression and tyranny. Change must blossom if we are to survice as a Constitutional Republic.
Elections '08 - Upcoming Primaries
Nevada is the same day as SC. How is RP polling there? I don't know Rasmussen polled Ron Paul at 14 percent, when the real number was probably 18%
Ron Paul is bring us the spring of hope, let is not dispair and lose resolve in the face of oppression and tyranny. You are absolutely wonderful thank you, Mike
money won't make up for it
Sigh, women always seem to vote for the one they think is going to take care of them and everyone else. Sad.
I actually OWN a Winchester 97 Black Diamond Trap, and that damn thing has chewed up my hand (bolt retracting when you chamber a round) more than I care to think about. That's why Winchester came out with the model 12.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
Rasmussen had Ron Paul polling 8 per cent in Iowa but as I said the stupidest thing we can do is derail the whole campaign over vote fraud in New Hampshire
ruh? Anyone bigger than Dennis Kucinich can fire one with little discomfort. Ya gotta make sure that the butt is *firm* up against your shoulder, though. I'm not a big guy (5-10, 145#), but I handle one fine. Failing that, you could always go with a 20 ga.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
Back when, my Browning Challenger taught me about the correct positioning of my hands when rounds were being chambered - I can still see the scar on the top of my thumb 40+ years later.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
I hope Ron does well in South Carolina, that would mean a lot! Eventually it will be on YouTube everything he says Thanks a million Fingers crossed and prayers in for the debate and for the Primary
I'll watch it if I can.
my sweet love, for me the Constitution and Rule of Law is my whole life of course I love the trees and the animals I am a libertarian, first last and always Love, Palo I only wrote one piece on Ron Paul, the day he announced his candidacy I posted it on LP under blogs, I will copy it here below Why Ron Paul will win the Presidency (by Palo Verde) I don't think in any past election Ron Paul could have won Love, Palo
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now Love, Palo
Your own posts are excellent I honestly can't think of anything you and I can do differently or better than what we are doing reading so many great posts, here and when I was on LP my best talent I think, is refusing to get discouraged I am not positive I am that good at finding the light, I am OK at it from what I have seen of Ron Paul posters here, on LP, and Digg is we each have our unique gift to give this is something else which makes me so sure Ron Paul will win there is so much mind power behind him no other candidate has this mind power is a very strong light Love, Palo
Love, Palo Although the Huckster is a bornagainrapturenutterRINO with no conservative positions, no particular message, I can understand why he is the most attractive of the GOPer's and RP may want to pay heed - Huckabee is very personable, he is very relaxed and he has a nice sense of humor and a nice smile big dimples - I saw him interviewed by Jay Leno and by Craig Ferguson and both times Huckabee did remarkably well. I found myself smiling along whenever he made some corny small jokes before I caught myself doing so! Then I smacked my forehead - sheesh - scrapper, that's the Huckster, smarten up! Although Dr. Paul has a terrific message and a common sense constitutionally based platform, he's so tense, so tight, so wanting to do well, you can sense that he's trying hard to appear light and easy - he forces himself to make some jokes and although he's always the articulate gentleman, RP is not telegenic - Huckster is like a big cuddly puppy dog - people forget the Huckster has no message and no platform because he makes them feel so calm and relaxed and warm and fuzzy in his presence. Huckster is a lawyer by trade and also a minister so public speaking is second nature to him. But Dr. Paul, as a physician, never needed to learn the art of public speaking- his profession typically demanded that he be proficient in one on one communication skills either with his patients or in conferring with his colleagues or fellows or residents - also the language used in medicine is very linear, scientific, brief, to the point - now Dr. Paul is swimming with the sharks, most of whom are lawyers and experienced in public speaking - and he's struggling to project a relaxed persona but at the same time he wants to deliver his message in an understandable format to laymen. He's not able to use the communication style or skills or vocabulary he used in medicine - he's addressing a different public at large. Even as a Congressman, he did not face the public speaking challenges that he faces now competing as a Pres candidate in the national theatre. I think it would help alot if Dr. Paul got some intensive lessons on public speaking from a voice coach - it wouldn't take much coaching - he's a very bright guy -but nonetheless I think it could be very useful so he gains some self confidence and learns how to project light and easy and happy while he is delivering the RP message. Basically, RP needs to become more telegenic and in short order so people remember him and his message.
Scrap... I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist???
I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist??? Sort of...ha, ha... However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn the art of schmoozing a) to get the public's attention, b) to have them like him so they let themselves be open to listening to his message and c) finally, to remember him when it's time for them to cast their ballots. He needs to reach out to the undecided, the fence sitters. RP needs to make himself as personally memorable as his platform. We only need to look at the lessons being taught re: Huckabee's popularity - he has hardly any $ and he's holding his own with candidates with huge war chests like Romney and Giuliani. Ditto for inexperienced Obama coming out of nowhere to challenge Hillary, the almost coronated Queen. Hillary is neither likeable or personable. Ditto for Romney. Both are polished but cold. Huckabee and Obama come across as "nice guys." That's what the public wants - someone they can relate to, someone who puts them at ease, someone they could invite over for Sunday pot roast and not feel pressed to have the fine china and silverware on the table.
scrap... Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy. Your thinking is why I suggested he pick a VP now, younger, good orator and turn him loose across the country, Napalitano comes to mind as an example. The message is the important segment not the looks and presentation of the messenger but alas that is how people vote.
Cynicom - smart people are quick studies - and Dr. Paul is very very smart. I think it depends how motivated RP is to WIN. To win he absolutely needs to become a student again and be taught some new tricks - after all these years of being in a position of power first as an MD and then as a Congressman -learning the art of schmoozing from a voice coach likely a younger person with much less academic credentials than he has might take some humility and flexibility. However, if he made up his mind to submit to being coached, I'll bet it wouldn't take more than a couple of lessons in the course of a 2 week period - the lessons and a few trial runs and then corrective actions and RP would be up and away. Cyni - Hollywood takes strangers off the street with no acting experience at all - they want a new face and they give them a few lessons and turn them loose in front of cameras and build multi-million dollar films around them. RP can do it if he wants to. Waiting until RP gets a VP mate to do the telegenic delivery stuff will be way too late.
I do not call for waiting.. You recall on Leno the question about a running mate from the pub losers. Can you imagine Paul tomorrow morning calling a press conference and dragging out Napolitano???? Or some such known person. Sadly Paul has the usual expert slicks that always attach themselves to politicians surrounding him. Their primary message is "send money", so far they have succeeded with that but without change the tap will be turned off.
LOL. I took my concealed-carry class with a Walther PPK and got my hand chewed up quite a bit with that one, too. Now I carry a Colt Double Eagle with a nice beavertail, so no more problems.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
What suggestions do you have?
Sad ping, true ping, angry ping.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 2nd Finish in Fifth Fails to Dim Paul’s Hopes (The New York Times)
You recall on Leno the question about a running mate from the pub losers. Can you imagine Paul tomorrow morning calling a press conference and dragging out Napolitano???? Or some such known person. Sadly Paul has the usual expert slicks that always attach themselves to politicians surrounding him. Their primary message is "send money", so far they have succeeded with that but without change the tap will be turned off. I don't think a guy like Judge Napolitano or anyone who's good is going to risk his day job contract and reputation to sign on with RP at this stage of the game. Way too early. I would agree with you that ongoing calls for donations without good primary results in hand is going to get old soon. He's got to start spending $ on classy ads to up his results in the primaries and he needs to start now.
Scrap... When Paul is the lowest man on the totem pole and forecast to lose by everyone, thinking within constrictions of the usual campaign will surely guarantee the predicted loss. If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party, he now becomes a huge problem for the republicans that have done their best to marginalize and insult him. He now becomes a force to reckon with for everyone. Perots 20 million votes could easily be Pauls 30 million and a voice in the future of this country. Personally I prefer voting for an honorable predicted loser than staying home.
If RP could get 'Da Judge to commit at this stage of the campaign ( here come da judge, here come da judge, da judge is here! ) then I agree with you a special press conference convened to make the announcement re: such a quality guy on the RP ticket would pump up interest in Dr. Paul BIGTIME. Even with the Judge's committment and ok to make an announcement, I'm not sure if it would violate party protocol - remember that all these GOP candidates are still competing still for the top spot and I'm not sure if any of them has the right to haul off and make pre-emptive announcements about their VP selection while the competition is still going on. Maybe others might know if a VP announcement can be made by a candidate before the Party's Pres candidate winner is determined.
Scrap... I wrote this..." If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party,"... With regardless of party being the operative hint... Also I was using Napalitano as an example, there are others. No one knows who might come out of the woodwork. Paul owes "party" nothing, zero, nada. They have done nothing for him and in fact have done their best to destroy him. When others are shooting holes in your canoe, you need a bigger paddle.
Hi Scrapper I still think the significant thing here, that the reason Huckabee is beating all the establishment candidates What we learn from the Huckabee success, why Rasmussen has him polling ahead of every other candidate in the country-wide poll is that voters want that message and will vote for the man who they think will deliver it The reality is, Huckabee would never deliver any change What our citizens want is what Ron Paul will bring them > It is very valuable that we have learned from this that our citizens want what Ron Paul will bring them We just have to figure out, how to bring Ron Paul to them It does not matter that Ron Paul does not have Huckabee's ease and personality We must never forget for an instant that all citizens have minds Love, Palo
I clicked it on, excellent article, I am going to post it now
Looks like I was more than a bit right way back then. Sure, Obama is going after more taxes, but look at what's going on in terms of possible "assault weapons bans". I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa.
#302. To: Peppa (#301)
I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon.
#303. To: iconoclast (#302)
In a love nest with Elvis?
#304. To: Dakmar (#169)
#305. To: buckeye, scrapper2, Peppa, Cynicom, All (#297)
the worst thing which could happen is for the campaign to lose momentum
it is on to South Carolina now!!!!
I am looking forward to the FOX SC debate tomorrow, Ron Paul will be there
I am sorry I left you off, I thought I had put your name there
#306. To: palo verde (#305)
the worst thing which could happen is for the campaign to lose momentum
#307. To: all (#306)
#308. To: Peppa (#298)
If RP's staff doesn't wake up or shake up, the money will dry up. Two months of freezing your butt off for a Keystone Cop run campaign, hardly sustains and builds further on a grassroot base. Some of which as we know, quit their jobs, to devote to RP's success. Voter fraud was a known threat already, so I am hoping some went in with open eyes. However, Ron's staff appears to be comprimised and heads must roll.
His staff is amateurish, compromised usually means working for the enemy
none of the errors of the campaign staff would have come to light
they have to do their best to be on the ball now
but that is not his way
but I too don't think people will rush to open their wallets again till they see their money spent wisely and well
#309. To: palo verde (#305)
#310. To: buckeye, palo verde (#306)
#311. To: buckeye (#306)
Which says there's a primary January 15 - Michigan.
I just know only Rasmussen is accurate and honest
he is usually 2 points under, and then we add 2 points because he doesn't reach anyone on cellphone
and so many Ron Paul supporters are under 30 and on cellphone
Love, Palo
#312. To: Ferret Mike (#309)
I am glad you are innovative and tough as the little tree you take your nick from and it reminds me of you. ;-)
Change must blossom if we are to survice as a Constitutional Republic.
I love you
Palo
#313. To: iconoclast (#296)
no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
but we do have an extraordinary candidate
anyone who hears Ron Paul would be instantly converted, if they love liberty, peace and abundance
which are natural things to love
lol having truth on our side is no small potatoes :)
Love, Palo
#314. To: scrapper2 (#300)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#315. To: lodwick (#78)
(pump - especially the Win '97)
#316. To: buckeye, ALL (#313)
He got 10 per cent of the vote
we just have to decide how we will intelligently deal with vote fraud in the future
Love, Palo
#317. To: Dakmar (#90)
I fired one of those when I was 18 or 19, honestly thought it broke my collarbone for about the next week.
#318. To: Indrid Cold (#315)
I actually OWN a Winchester 97 Black Diamond Trap, and that damn thing has chewed up my hand (bolt retracting when you chamber a round) more than I care to think about. That's why Winchester came out with the model 12.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#319. To: palo verde (#316)
#320. To: buckeye (#306)
That debate on FOX tomorrow is important debate
I will be praying hard for Ron Paul all thru it, so be prepared to give me objective report when debate is over
I will go right on the thread about it here
I love it that he behaves like a gentleman, it does him credit
So I am not concerned if the others are aggressive, and he is not
Also since immigration is not an issue for me, you don't have to report to me what he says on that
I am interested in what he says about foreign policy and liberty
and about getting rid of income tax and inflation tax
I already know his positions on all these things, I just want to know what he said in debate
so all I need to know from you are a few basic impressions of what he said
just so I get the idea
Love, Palo
#321. To: palo verde (#320)
so all I need to know from you are a few basic impressions of what he said
#322. To: buckeye (#319)
that is what matters to me
I am doing all this to save our Constitution, and to save our country from police state
and will do anything to save them
but the Greens have taken away a lot of liberties
and I love liberty
but a compassionate libertarian
let the government lend a helping hand to those who need it
I was on LP then, and everyone on the thread said he doesn't have a chance
so I gave my reasons why he will win
I wrote it to overcome their defeatism
plus to explain the necessity of him winning
Jan 16, 2007
I don't see how in this election he can fail to win
We all know government is not working, that something is wrong
All the fights are about apportioning blame
We don't all agree on who has decent character and is mistaken
and who is deliberately responsible for the corruption
The beauty of a Ron Paul Presidency is he is the solution to the problem
he is a good man who will take our country in the right direction
I submit that the source of most of our problems is that military industrial complex now determines foreign policy in DC
and both Parties are in bed with the military industrial complex
Ron Paul, practically alone in Congress, stands up to the military industrial complex
he, practically alone, does not vote for what they want
Anyone who wants our soldiers home with their families would vote for Ron Paul
because the Dems demagogue they are against the war
but meanwhile continue to vote the funding for it
Wars continue as long as they are funded
they stop on the dime when there is no more funding
Anyone who wants no more wars started for frivolous reasons
would vote for Ron Paul
He is a Constitutionalist
Congress would have to declare war before he would go along with it
And he would never use the Presidency as propaganda campaign for war which is not necessary
Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act
again he is almost alone in this
He claims the reason so many in Congress enthusiastically endorsed the Patriot Act is because so many in Congress
wanted for long time to take away rights and liberties from citizens
9/11 and Patriot Act was their excuse
And there may be truth to that
It was generally assumed it was heat of the moment,
which caused Congress to overwhelmingly pass the Patriot Act without reading it
but heat of the moment is over, Patriot Act is still with us
so Congress wants it
By the grace of God, the Patriot Act has not been abused to the extent it could be
but it is a dangerous law to have on the books
and should very unscrupulous people ascend to power
or get the ear of power, citizens could really be cooked
Ron Paul did the right thing to put the Constitution and the Bill of Rights first
even in the heat of the moment
he did this because he has a passion for liberty for our citizens
this is a man we want in the White House
Anyone who wants the Constitution upheld first last and always
would vote for Ron Paul
Ron Paul explains Congress serves special interests, not the interests of citizens
And this is true
It is time we have a President who serves our interests, not special interests
The military industrial establishment now owns both parties and the media
They will not allow Ron Paul to be our President
But by a miracle of God, we still have free elections
and citizens will choose Ron Paul
#323. To: buckeye, ALL (#319)
Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
I still think our thinking is solid
That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want
and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#324. To: buckeye (#319)
I rejoined LP because of reading your posts, while I lurked there
altho I did not stay that long, as you know
I read many posters here who have such constructive excellent suggestions for Ron Paul's campaign people
they have talent for that kind of thinking
I don't
I see we all have different talents for what we offer
I am always convinced the light is out there, if I search for it
altho half the time, while I am searching for it, some other poster comes on and gives the reason for it
this is helpful for me, because it encourages me
but my talent is I won't be budged, in wanting to find the light, and knowing it is there
your talent of course is your brilliance, which I am nowhere near
but I find it thrilling, plus it so filled with communication
look at the great number of citizens now, who are using their mind for Ron Paul
and I just don't think anything false can stand up to that light
#325. To: palo verde (#323)
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now I still think our thinking is solid That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#326. To: scrapper2 (#325)
#327. To: Cynicom (#326)
(Edited)
Scrap...
#328. To: scrapper2 (#327)
However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn
#329. To: Cynicom (#328)
Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy.
#330. To: scrapper2 (#329)
Waiting until RP gets a VP mate to do the telegenic delivery stuff will be way too late.
#331. To: lodwick (#318)
Back when, my Browning Challenger taught me about the correct positioning of my hands when rounds were being chambered - I can still see the scar on the top of my thumb 40+ years later.
#332. To: palo verde, buckeye, ALL (#316)
we just have to decide how we will intelligently deal with vote fraud in the future
#333. To: palo verde (#322)
The military industrial establishment now owns both parties and the media They will not allow Ron Paul to be our President
#334. To: farmfriend (#314)
#335. To: Cynicom (#330)
do not call for waiting..
#336. To: scrapper2 (#335)
Way too early.
#337. To: Cynicom, All (#336)
#338. To: scrapper2 (#337)
If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party,
#339. To: scrapper2, Cynicom, tom007, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#325)
I find this post and the others you wrote below it interesting and true
I would love it if the primaries came down to Ron Paul vs Huckabee
Huckabee has the personality, Ron Paul has the character and substance
A debate between them would be worthy of watching
is because of Huckabee's message
He is able to put it across, because he has the media to help him, plus his likeable personality
they have to hear Ron Paul's message and meet the man
Ron Paul's sincerity and honesty shines thru
They recognize sincerity and honesty and integrity when it is before them
#340. To: TwentyTwelve (#334)
2nd Finish in Fifth Fails to Dim Paul’s Hopes (The New York Times)
thanks 20/12
Love, Palo
#341. To: scrapper2 (#167)
Uh huh, whatever...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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