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Title: NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary
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Published: Jan 8, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-01-08 20:15:12 by Brian S
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NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary Real-time Race Results: Updated January 8, 2008 - 8:11 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 11% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 7,896 37% 0 Winner Romney 5,976 28% 0 Huckabee 2,591 12% 0 Giuliani 1,885 9% 0 Paul 1,812 9% 0 Thompson 305 1% 0 Hunter 126 1% 0
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Not that far from 3rd place really. At least Huckabee didn't win.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Paul and Ghouli tied with 9%....
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Esso Calls John McCain Fucking Lunatic That Should Be In Psychiatric Lockdown
Only 10% reported so far, so there's still room for some movement since voting preferences vary by district. Maybe a few points, anyway.
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you gotta wonder about the 1,885 who voted for giuliani after he pretty much dissed them and their primary.
Jack me off with tweezers. Please stop it.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution McChurian bump to this. I'm buying more ammo tomorrow.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I'm dying to see how many votes McCain gets; because I want to see how many complete frickin' idiots live in NH. Just a statistics freak, I guess.
It's amazing - I posted the Jay Leno interview last evening, where folks were there at 4:30am to get their tickets to the for the 12pm taping...more people than ever, and the response on the show was HUGE. MSM is doing its dead level best to fu*k Dr.Paul on this one - as are the black-box voting machines.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Clinton is beating Obama 40 to 36 with 15% in. This is going to be a wild ride. I'm glad to see the balls are still in the air. I think the the AM hate machine would shred Obama like a head of lettuce and give us at least four years of McCain.
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I could have bought an AR-15 for $600 a couple weeks ago, but really feel like I should get a secure gun cabinet before doing anything like that, and probably a home security system. Since I spend half my waking life at work, it just seems easier to not keep an AR-15 next to my bed, I'm hoping if anyone ever decides to break into my house the 1/4 Siamese cat will sing for them, making their blood run cold.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
On the bright side; we are the largest banana republic in the world. :-)
we'll see what happens, as you say Ron Paul is close to 3rd place...
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
If Paul can pull 10% in a Republican primary with the goob foolers aligned against him, I think he would actually have a chance as an independent. It's too bad he isn't considering this. There's a good chance it's going to come down to Hillary vs McCain. Hillary's not going to pull away goobs conditioned to hate Hillary on command no matter how much they dislike the war. Paul could pull from both sides.
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I'm not convinced that he isn't...his campaign doesn't seem to be burning through that $20 million very fast...
Right after Iowa, I predicted Ron Paul would come in 4th in New Hampshire I'm not going to be discouraged by anything on face value
What a post to try and address - goodness. First, if looking for a weapon, go to the local classified ads for distressed sellers who are willing to discount for CASH. You can also check in with www.thehighroad.org for local sellers of all sorts of goodies. The cat? No comment. Good luck with it all.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution It is time that he gives it serious consideration. Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Giuliani 2,874 9% Paul 2,662 9% Thompson 445 2% these are very interesting numbers Brian, thank you So Paul is tied with Rudy
Clinton is waxing Obama. I think the Dems are seriously thinking about what the candidate has to face. Clinton has already been demonized by the goob foolers and she's still standing. And she is at the end of the cycle. Obama is just starting to be swiftboated. I saw a thing today where the people in New Hampshire were shocked at how vicious the Hume, Limbaugh, Savage and the other goob foolers could be after only one day - they were telling the goobs the Obama was a muslim who was sworn in on the Koran, he was gay, etc. I think this is what moved the vote back to Clinton. People expect the Reublican Party to tell whoppers about Clinton and it just rolls off.
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And every GOP that voted for him should do like I'm going to do and walk away from the party. I intend on joining the Constitution Party though Libertarian is more consistent with my ideals.
Rush Limbaugh and Britt Hume told us that two months ago - each in their own oblique way. All you have to do is listen.
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If anyone other than Paul wins the Republican nomination, the bots and bible thumpers can thank themselves for AT LEAST 4 years of Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama, for all of the smears and flak they threw out towards the ONLY viable candidate that would have honored his oath of office and did what was best for this Nation and her People. Apparently, many of the Independents and young voters decided to vote for Obama rather than Ron Paul due to their not hearing Dr. Paul's message or understanding what he stood for. Little do they know they'll just be getting another GW Bush if he becomes president.
no it is not a fact and Huckabee won Iowa in any case as I posted above, for me the meaning of the NH election Love, Palo
Is $600 too much to pay for an AR-15? I remember remarking how something like that would put the fear of God into burglars, but once I got back to RP table was reminded that if I shot off something like in my neighborhood that it would go through four or five houses.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Let's face it: Thanks to the efforts of GWB and Dick Cheney, there is not going to be another Republican president for at least 20 years, minimum, and quite possibly a lot longer than that. All any Democratic candidate for any office is going to have to say for the next 20 years will be "Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney, Bush, Cheney" in reply to any and all questions, and that's it, they'll win any election for any office anywhere. Bush and Cheney have contaminated the brand that badly. The damage may be irreparable.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#2. To: robin (#1)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
NBC News Calls John McCain Projected Winner of NH Primary
#4. To: Brian S (#2)
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
What bullshit.
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#7. To: Esso (#3)
Esso Calls John McCain Fucking Lunatic That Should Be In Psychiatric Lockdown
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#8. To: lodwick (#7)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#9. To: who knows what evil. sane people here (#8)
I'm dying to see how many votes McCain gets; because I want to see how many complete frickin' idiots live in NH. Just a statistics freak, I guess.
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#10. To: Brian S (#0)
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#11. To: ... (#10)
#12. To: lodwick (#7)
#13. To: lodwick (#9)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#14. To: robin (#1)
Not that far from 3rd place really. At least Huckabee didn't win.
#15. To: All, Vote Count Update (#0)
Precincts Reporting 17% Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner McCain 11,632 37% 0 Winner Romney 8,674 28% 0 Huckabee 3,803 12% 0 Giuliani 2,874 9% 0 Paul 2,662 9% 0 Thompson 445 2% 0 Hunter 172 1% 0
#16. To: Brian S (#15)
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#17. To: ... (#16)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#18. To: Pinguinite, ALL (#4)
Only 10% reported so far, so there's still room for some movement since voting preferences vary by district.
Maybe a few points, anyway.
but after the ABC debate, I switched it to 3rd
I am looking forward to a good showing in South Carolina
Love, Palo
everything has to be interpreted to understand its true meaning
and I don't trust the "pundits" to arrive at a true interpretation
I would rather interpret it for myself
#19. To: Dakmar (#12)
I could have bought an AR-15 for $600 a couple weeks ago, but really feel like I should get a secure gun cabinet before doing anything like that, and probably a home security system. Since I spend half my waking life at work, it just seems easier to not keep an AR-15 next to my bed, I'm hoping if anyone ever decides to break into my house the 1/4 Siamese cat will sing for them, making their blood run cold.
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#20. To: ... (#16)
I think he would actually have a chance as an independent. It's too bad he isn't considering this.
#21. To: Brian S, ALL (#15)
Huckabee 3,803 12%
just few points behind Huckabee
and way ahead of Fred
#22. To: Brian S (#0)
#23. To: Brian S, critter, lodwick, Palo verde (#20)
Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#24. To: Brian S (#20)
Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
#25. To: Brian S (#0)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#26. To: Brian S (#20)
Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
Ron Paul was only 3 points behind McCain in Iowa
and is only 3 points behind Huckabee now
and McCain is doing so well in NH
depends on a true interpretation
and tomorrow we will all put our heads together and come up with a true interpretation
#27. To: lodwick (#19)
#28. To: farmfriend (#23)
And every GOP that voted for him should do like I'm going to do and walk away from the party. I intend on joining the Constitution Party though Libertarian is more consistent with my ideals.
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#29. To: Dakmar, lodwick (#12)
Probably should have. Looks like it's about time to start choppin'.
I could have bought an AR-15 for $600...
#30. To: Brian S (#20)
Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President. I am total agreement.
It is time that he gives it serious consideration.
#31. To: palo verde (#26)
Dam Yankees
#32. To: Brian S (#20)
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent? Not good, I'd say. A lot of people have woken up to liberty with Ron Paul's campaign. Very encouraging but even so, there are still tons of dufuses out there who are sick of the war in Iraq and are now working hard bomb Iran.
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#33. To: Esso (#29)
It was a bit heavy for me, but I think the sheer menacing looks of the thing might make for workable trade-off.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#34. To: Elliott Jackalope (#28)
I agree with you totally but I also think it was inevitable. A great book on political/societal trends is The Fourth Turning. It is written by two historians.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#35. To: Dakmar (#27)
Just stop cleaning your cat box. After a few months burglers will just hit the place next door instead.
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#36. To: Pinguinite (#32)
I often wonder about them, what are they thinking?
there are still tons of dufuses out there who are sick of the war in Iraq and are now working hard bomb Iran.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#37. To: farmfriend (#23)
Mine will be 'No Paul - no vote,' and mail back in my voter card. On an upbeat note - at the Walgreen's check-out counter today, the twentyish-something person evidently read my RP cap, and said, "I really like your cap." I asked her to please spread the word and the message. We CAN get this thing done.
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#38. To: ... (#35)
Ummm...Rule #1: A mans home is his castle. I decide how much my castle smells of cat shit, not some fucking burglars. Rule #2: Fox News Sucks!
Just stop cleaning your cat box. After a few months burglers will just hit the place next door instead.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#39. To: Pinguinite (#32) (Edited)
I think it's actully pretty good. He's dealing with the real butt sniffers here. People who think Fox News is a news program. And he's still pulling 10%. These people listen to Hume, Hannity and Limbaugh and even after the demonization 10% break ranks and vote for Paul. In addition 45% hate Clinton and they will be up for grabs. Many know the war is silly and they're not going to like McCain.
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent?
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#40. To: ALL (#28)
I am not giving up on Ron Paul being our President Love, Palo I think Ron Paul will do well in South Carolina it is significant that Iowa went to Huckabee, and NH for McCain
obviously NH is no longer "live free or die"
#41. To: lodwick (#37)
I asked her to please spread the word and the message. We CAN get this thing done. great post, Loddy On an upbeat note - at the Walgreen's check-out counter today, the twentyish-something person evidently read my RP cap, and said, "I really like your cap."
you are right
we can get this thing done
We will not lose this one, we will win this one
Love, Palo
#42. To: palo verde (#26)
the true interpretation is that the MIC elected McLame in NH.
#43. To: Dakmar (#27)
Here's a link to some sales - No - for a quality make $600 is plenty cheap. And as far as hosing down all the neighbors, you can use 'fungible' rounds to keep all but the perps dead.
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#44. To: Dakmar (#38)
Not only would it keep burglers away, but you could shack up with some crazy cat lady.
Ummm...Rule #1: A mans home is his castle. I decide how much my castle smells of cat shit, not some fucking burglars.
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#45. To: christine (#42)
McLame is not electable. Now watch for the media "resurrection" of Hillary.
#46. To: palo verde, lodwick (#41)
I love going to our RP meetup sign holding events, I've almost learned to read lips. "Who is Ron Paul?" you can see them ask from passenger seat.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#47. To: ... (#39) (Edited)
If we take this to mean that 10% of the American population KNOWS what real freedom is and KNOWS what's wrong with the established politics and monetary policy then that's a real wonderful sign, really. Unified and organized, 10% of a population can do a hell of a lot.
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#48. To: Brian S (#0)
N.H. can have McStain, they deserve him. 
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#49. To: ... (#44)
But I only have the one cat, might be a bit of a bother on my part, don't you think?
Not only would it keep burglers away, but you could shack up with some crazy cat lady.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#50. To: Cynicom (#45)
i should have said MIC chose McLame to win in NH. i see the resurrection of H in progress.
#51. To: Brian S (#0)
With 40% in it looks like Hillary is going to beat Obama. Can't be 100% sure, but it looks bad for the porch monkey. This is fine with me. I would prefer Hillary to four more years with McCain standing in for Bush. Of course, I would prefer a red assed baboon over that.
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#52. To: Dakmar (#49)
No, a good cat lady can bring along hundreds.
But I only have the one cat, might be a bit of a bother on my part, don't you think?
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#53. To: ... (#51)
We will have Hillary and the "baboon" will be sitting behind the curtain and his name will be "BILL".
I would prefer a red assed baboon over that.
#54. To: palo verde (#40)
I am not giving up on Ron Paul being our President
Ron Paul is the Only Candidate Who Can Win for America
Video clip of G. Edward Griffin speaking at an outdoor rally for Ron Paul that was held in Mountain View, CA, on July 14, 2007
#55. To: palo verde (#40)
christine: the true interpretation is that the MIC elected McLame in NH. I don't understand NH's affection for McCrazy. I don't think MIC has anything to do with it frankly. McCain won New Hampshire when he ran against dubya in 2000. And one would think the MIC folks would love both of them equally. McCain's continued popularity in NH is a puzzling one.
palo verde: it is significant that Iowa went to Huckabee, and NH for McCain obviously NH is no longer "live free or die"
#56. To: christine, ALL (#42)
Only President Ron Paul would go up against the miltiary industrial complex New Hampshire is not an emblem of the country it is significant that Iowa voted for Huckabee, because of his message Iowa reflects much more the majority of our country this is why I don't read that much into McCain's win in New Hampshire Love, Palo
all the others would do exactly what the MIC wants
at one time they were libertarian minded
but too many from Boston and NYC moved there
they have become typical of New England voters
and they interpreted his message as "time to get someone in there who is not part of the establishment"
they voted populist
and Ron Paul is the true populist and truly outside the establishment
#57. To: christine (#55)
Oops - I meant to ping you as well as palo verde.
#58. To: scrapper2 (#55)
McCain's continued popularity in NH is a puzzling one. you read my mind...
I don't understand NH's affection for McCrazy. I don't think MIC has anything to do with it frankly. McCain won New Hampshire when he ran against dubya in 2000. And one would think the MIC folks would love both of them equally.
#59. To: ... (#52)
Have you not been paying attention ...? Crazed Cat Lady is a sloucher, we need sharpshooters! Or at least cleanup to keep the ants out.
a good cat lady can bring along hundreds.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#60. To: palo verde (#56)
The college towns have not reported yet, CNN reporting. That will increase Obama and Paul #s.
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#61. To: christine (#50) (Edited)
"Only the Most Deluded of Us Could Doubt the Necessity of This War" --- Sen. John McCain Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2004 "The nice thing about Alzheimer's is you get to hide your own Easter eggs". --- Sen. John McCain to reporters on a campaign trip. "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." --- Sen. John McCain June 1998 Republican fund-raiser Thank God for our form of government. The media won't let there be any cover-up. ---John McCain (remember the Keating 5?) “I think we finally have a poll without a margin of error, ... We have sent a powerful message to Washington: Change is coming.” ---John McCain (could he be the change?) " I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." ---John McCain Washington Post: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 A finale note will some tell those in NH to drop its "live free or die" motto....
Well from the state of AZ time to dig up Impeach McCain bumper stickers again .....never in the history of man have so many been confused by so few.
#62. To: palo verde (#56)
Palo... My estimation Paul needed a good to excellent showing in NH. He needed to out poll Huckabee. To me the message is perfect, the sheep do not know the name of the messenger, that is sad.
#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
CNN just reported that the college towns have not been counted yet.
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#64. To: Dakmar (#27)
$600 is a fair price, depending on brand, and for home defence you're much better off with a 12-ga. riot gun ($200-250), as it won't over-penetrate and every burglar knows the "chuck-chuck" sound of a 12 ga. being racked.
Is $600 too much to pay for an AR-15?
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
#65. To: buckeye (#54)
thank you buckeye I will just have to put my thinking cap on tomorrow, and come up with the reasons to explain my conviction Ron Paul is the Only Candidate Who Can Win for America Video clip of G. Edward Griffin speaking at an outdoor rally for Ron Paul that was held in Mountain View, CA, on July 14, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTwoCjE7-jA
I remain convinced Ron Paul will be our President this time next year
Love, Palo
appearances are always deceiving, together (all of us) we can penetrate to the truth together
#66. To: robin (#63)
Odd combination, a war monger and a preacher, some of those people need a saliva test.
#67. To: Dakmar (#59)
With the crazy cat lady you could have 101 cats and four or five feces encrusted disturbed kids running around your living room when you got home at night.
Crazed Cat Lady is a sloucher, we need sharpshooters!
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#68. To: Pinguinite (#32)
Very little but I didn't want to be so blunt and not give some hope. Ron Paul will never be President of these United States. Sorry but it 'is what it is'. I was one of the first to 'lock on' to RP back some 2 years ago and initiated the ping list on this forum around that time. I'm disappointed but there is only so much one can do before they have to except reality. I would love to be wrong and have all of you 'shove this post down my throat', indeed.
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent?
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
#69. To: robin (#63)
Unfortunately, Guiliani won polls conducted at UNH and Dartmouth.
CNN just reported that the college towns have not been counted yet.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#70. To: Brian S (#68)
There are a sh*tload of "what country can we move to" threads popping up at various RP forums...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#71. To: Dakmar (#27)
Until you get a gun safe you can always put it on top of the slats (in a slipcase) of the box springs of your bed. A good revolver is a little handier, I'm thinking a stainless steel S&W 686 in .357 Magnum.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#72. To: Brian S (#68)
Brian... Dont underestimate the intelligence of the people here on the forum. No one suffers from illusions.
#73. To: Cynicom, buckeye, all (#62)
Palo... My estimation Paul needed a good to excellent showing in NH. He needed to out poll Huckabee. To me the message is perfect, the sheep do not know the name of the messenger, ... you have the oddest kind of brilliance you have named the problem and solution perfectly Love, Palo
(by Cynicom)
it is so interesting to me
you have some talent to get your finger right on it
they are not sheep, they are our fellow citizens, they do have minds
the media has worked very hard so they would not know the name of the messenger,
but they will
all we need to do is get out the name of the real messenger
and we will have won it
#74. To: Brian S (#68)
I think as an independent he could build the 10% to 30% by just sitting on the sideline and keeping his mouth shut. Pick up the the people as Hillary and McCain expose each other. Careful work could bring it to 40%. And that's all you need to win in this type of three way race. I think Clinton pulled 43% against Bush I.
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#75. To: who knows what evil (#70)
I've heard it here. One doesn't leave the land he loves. One stays to try, try, try to make it better, somehow.
There are a sh*tload of "what country can we move to" threads popping up at various RP forums...
#76. To: robnoel (#61)
How about.... ummmm...... A finale note will some tell those in NH to drop its "live free or die" motto....
"Live Free or Bomb Iran"?
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#77. To: who knows what evil (#69)
New Hampshire Democratic Primary Precincts Reporting: 141 Of 301 46% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % Hillary Clinton 49,719 37% Barack Obama 45,383 36% John Edwards 21,178 17%
#78. To: Indrid Cold (#64)
$600 is a fair price, depending on brand, and for home defence you're much better off with a 12-ga. riot gun ($200-250), as it won't over-penetrate and every burglar knows the "chuck-chuck" sound of a 12 ga.(pump - especially the Win '97) being racked.
Excellent advice!
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#79. To: palo verde (#73)
Palo... The shame of it all is that per NH, McLame is NOT electable, Paul is. That is a drastic contradiction. Paul needs a full force effort to bring about name recognition. It can be done.
#80. To: robin (#63)
New Hampshire Republican Primary Precincts Reporting: 139 Of 301 46% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 36,500 37% Mitt Romney 30,946 31% Mike Huckabee 11,463 12% Rudy Giuliani 8,597 9% Ron Paul 7,766 8%
#81. To: Brian S (#68)
I would love to be wrong and have all of you 'shove this post down my throat', indeed. lol Brian it is a little too early to throw in the towel I actually read Tom Paine's letter when he got home that night from the first battle with the British I'm disappointed but there is only so much one can do before they have to except reality.
let's not forget we did win the American revolution
and everything looked black at the start
everything looked so black he searched and searched his mind for hope
he could not find any
and finally he said "I know God will not let us down," that was his only source of hope
Love, Palo
#82. To: TwentyTwelve (#77) (Edited)
The Clinton / Obama thing has really narrowed of the past 20 minutes. But even if she loses, she's close enough to stay in the race. Obama will clobber her in South Carolina though. Lots of black folks there. It will be interesting to see how effective Obama is at pulling them out to vote.
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#83. To: buckeye (#75)
Some leave, some stay by choice, and some are here because they cannot leave. For whatever reason, we WILL fight to the death to make it better. Trust me, and many of my friends, on this one.
One stays to try, try, try to make it better, somehow.
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#84. To: who knows what evil (#69)
Oye vey! What has happened to intelligensia, free thinkers, predictable anti- war bloc voters who used to occupy college campuses? Hello potential cannon fodder - JudyJulie is a dubya clone! Ron Paul is the only candidate in either party to take a position against conscription and against SS registration both of which should be very important considerations for, at the very least, the male gender college students. Honestly -these students are behaving like suicidal lemmings if they support warhawk Guiliani.
Unfortunately, Guiliani won polls conducted at UNH and Dartmouth.
#85. To: ... (#82)
Down the road, the Clintons have plenty of chips to call in, Obama has none.
#86. To: Cynicom (#79)
The shame of it all is that per NH, McLame is NOT electable, Paul is. totally brilliant post! you have a great gift for reality
Palo...
That is a drastic contradiction.
Paul needs a full force effort to bring about name recognition.
It can be done.
Love, Palo
#87. To: scrapper2 (#84)
Ron Paul is the only candidate in either party to take a position against conscription and against SS registration both of which should be very important considerations for, at the very least, the male gender college students. Honestly -these students are behaving like suicidal lemmings ... extremely perceptive post Oye vey! What has happened to intelligensia, free thinkers, predictable anti- war bloc voters who used to occupy college campuses?
Love, Palo
#88. To: X-15 (#71)
A good revolver is a little handier, I'm thinking a stainless steel S&W 686 in .357 Magnum. I have a waterbed, but the point is that I only want a gun to ward off intruders. Once they wake me any gun I own may as well be locked in safety deposit box downtown, unless it's within reach when I wake up. Maybe I should just hang tea-bags labelled "crack" from the cedar tree in my front yard.
Until you get a gun safe you can always put it on top of the slats (in a slipcase) of the box springs of your bed.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#89. To: Dakmar (#88)
Buy a slip cover for the rifle that looks like a giant cat turd. Then hide the gun in the cat box.
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#90. To: Indrid Cold (#64)
I fired one of those when I was 18 or 19, honestly thought it broke my collarbone for about the next week. No thanks.
for home defence you're much better off with a 12-ga. riot gun
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#91. To: Brian S (#68)
well said....and you are far from alone in this sentiment.
#92. To: palo verde, All (#87)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a389bdcbe0de0.htm Manchurian Candidate McCain: Release your POW files! McCain was Chairman of Senate Commerce Comm. He presided over transfer of US jobs to China, India and other 3rd world countries.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#93. To: lodwick (#83)
This is the best part of the Ron Paul campaign for me: to see so many people expressing their commitment to restoring freedom in America. The fires of liberty are being reignited all over the country. More fires will be lit from those, and so on. At least many people understand what has been lost, and want it back more than anything else.
Trust me, and many of my friends, on this one.
#94. To: Brian S (#68)
Well, so far only 2 states have spoken. If there can be a big difference between Iowa and NH with the Huckster and McBomb, then there is room for some hope that RP can do much better in other states. Obviously we were hoping better from the LFoD state which is also supposed to be the beneficiary of the free state project, but.... And then there's the message that may succeed if the messenger does not. Did 10% get the message loud and clear?
Very little but I didn't want to be so blunt and not give some hope.
Ron Paul will never be President of these United States.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
#95. To: ... (#82)
New Hampshire Democratic Primary Precincts Reporting: 163 Of 301 54% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % Hillary Clinton 55,346 37% Barack Obama 51,712 36% John Edwards 23,624 17% Bill Richardson 6,509 5%
The Clinton / Obama thing has really narrowed of the past 20 minutes. But even if she loses, she's close enough to stay in the race.
#96. To: who knows what evil (#70)
I'm coming to you live from Ecuador, for what it's worth.
There are a sh*tload of "what country can we move to" threads popping up at various RP forums...
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
#97. To: All (#91)
we can hash out the reasons for this and that til the cows come home. all we need to know, and it's certain, is that the people's votes and wishes will never be known. the sooner we all accept that, the better. remember that the majority of americans are anti-war but it matters not. having said that, like Brian, i'll be happy if y'all are able to shove this post down my throat.
#98. To: Pinguinite (#94)
Obviously we were hoping better from the LFoD state which is also supposed to be the beneficiary of the free state project, but.... good post! Rasmussen had Ron Paul polling at 14 percent in NH there may be a little "irregularity" in these election results...
Well, so far only 2 states have spoken.
If there can be a big difference between Iowa and NH with the Huckster and McBomb,
then there is room for some hope that RP can do much better in other states.
Love, Palo
and Rasmmusen is only off by 1 or 2 points, and always lower than what the candidate gets in the election
and it's impossible a Ron Paul supporter would not come out to vote
#99. To: Dakmar (#12)
If you don't own one, you better get one. That and about 1000 rounds, for now.
I could have bought an AR-15 for $600
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#100. To: christineBrianS (#97)
There are two alternatives, one, revolution with blood in the streets, or two, there is serfdom. With that being said, which is acceptable???
we can hash out the reasons for this and that til the cows come home. all we need to know, and it's certain, is that the people's votes and wishes will never be known. the sooner we all accept that, the better. remember that the majority of americans are anti-war but it matters not.
#101. To: Critter (#99)
Precincts Reporting: 180 Of 301 59% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 48,694 38% Mitt Romney 41,239 31% Mike Huckabee 14,955 11% Rudy Giuliani 11,399 9% Ron Paul 10,360 8%
#102. To: Dakmar (#27)
If you're looking to defend against burgulars & thieves, a 12 gauge shotgun is the choice. However it won't do much against the kind who wear state supplied body armor.
#103. To: robnoel (#61)
He really said that? LMFAO! Maybe he isn't 100% bad after all.
"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father." --- Sen. John McCain June 1998 Republican fund-raiser
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#104. To: Critter (#99)
New Hampshire Democratic Primary Precincts Reporting: 186 Of 301 61% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % Hillary Clinton 63,040 36% Barack Obama 58,666 36% John Edwards 26,773 17% Bill Richardson 7,633 5% Dennis Kucinich 2,298 1%
#105. To: TwentyTwelve (#101)
eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww. I have that sinking feeling again.
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#106. To: All (#98)
There may be a little "irregularity" in these election results... Ron Paul should have come in at 16 per cent If this is true, it is something to keep in our minds (Palo) Rasmussen had Ron Paul polling at 14 percent in NH
and Rasmmusen is only off by 1 or 2 points,
and always lower than what the candidate gets in the election And it's impossible a Ron Paul supporter would not come out to vote
instead he came in at 10 per cent
I'm not going to make a fuss about it
but I think Ron Paul's real showing is better than what was reported...
that Ron Paul may have actually done better than reported, it shows his result in different light...
#107. To: christine (#97)
If RP can't get even a 3rd place showing in New fucking Hampshire against that gaggle of pandering assholes then this country is screwed beyond any hope of redemption.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
#108. To: who knows what evil (#70)
The only country I'm aware of that meets my standards for gun ownership is Switzerland.
There are a sh*tload of "what country can we move to" threads popping up at various RP forums...
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#109. To: palo verde (#106)
He's at 8% now, half of what Rasmussen polled him at.
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#110. To: Dukie (#102)
Aim low.
However it won't do much against the kind who wear state supplied body armor.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
#111. To: Cynicom (#100)
With that being said, which is acceptable??? I am completely non violent, so there must be a third way but I have not given up on the election yet There are two alternatives, one, revolution with blood in the streets, or two, there is serfdom.
The way of Gandhi and Martin Luther King
Love, Palo
only 2 States have reported results, and their results are opposite to each other
#112. To: orangedog (#107)
I totally agree. It was nice while it lasted, and it's rather sad that there are so few of us that loved it enough to try to keep it alive. Looks like the fluoridation, mercury in vaccines, neurotoxins in food via additives and pesticides, along with constant brain-washing by the "media" worked.
If RP can't get even a 3rd place showing in New fucking Hampshire against that gaggle of pandering assholes then this country is screwed beyond any hope of redemption.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#113. To: X-15 (#108)
And they severely restrict immigration. I know because I already checked.
The only country I'm aware of that meets my standards for gun ownership is Switzerland.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#114. To: All (#111)
and what is very interesting is that Romney, the fair haired boy of the GOP this election is up for grabs
the pic of the GOP establishment
has not won either State
and I think Ron Paul will take it at the end
#115. To: FormerLurker (#112)
Some of us must be immune to that shit. And all the young people coming out in favor of Ron Paul suggest that maybe the problem is something else. I think it is fraud, pure and simple.
Looks like the fluoridation, mercury in vaccines, neurotoxins in food via additives and pesticides, along with constant brain-washing by the "media" worked.
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#116. To: FormerLurker (#113)
Fox News Editing Ron Paul out of AP News Stories
#117. To: Dukie (#102)
In my particular situation, I think a .22 semi-auto rifle that holds ten or so rounds in the chamber would be a better choice. A few of my friends were extolling the range of the .22 round, but I'm not looking for distance, I'm only wanting to stop burglars and the occasional vandal.
If you're looking to defend against burgulars & thieves, a 12 gauge shotgun is the choice.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#118. To: Critter (#115) (Edited)
That could be. It could also be a flock of old goobers that swallow every lie they hear on TV, and simply vote for whomever their local newspaper editor tells them to. One thing about McCain though is that he was actually having live Town Hall meetings across the state, unlike Ron Paul who didn't really have any as far as I know, except for the one on Sunday night in Manchester.
I think it is fraud, pure and simple.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#119. To: Critter (#109)
I've been following all of Rasmussen's polls like a hawk for past 8 years something is a little fishy here... I won't make a fuss about it, but for true understanding, He's at 8% now, half of what Rasmussen polled him at.
he is honest and accurate
and has never been off by more than 2 percent, the person has done 2 percent better than the poll
it's important for us to know how Ron Paul actually did, no?
#120. To: palo verde (#111)
This country was birthed by a bloody revolution, a revolution fought by the few, that brought freedom for all. We are guilty of letting it slip away, perfectly willing to accept the yoke of oppression that one day will be replaced by the hang mans noose. History is a stern teacher, one that speaks of evil men that have wanted to control the world. This total control now perhaps is within their grasp.
#121. To: X-15 (#108)
I read a story recently that indicates that situation has changed quite a bit...can't recall the source. I remember being surprised when I read it...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#122. To: Dakmar (#117)
Anything is better than nothing, but determined individuals can take a few .22 rounds easily, as it simply feels like a punch from what I hear. A 12 gauge full of buckshot feels a bit different than that I believe, and so does a .40 caliber round or higher.
In my particular situation, I think a .22 semi-auto rifle that holds ten or so rounds in the chamber would be a better choice.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#123. To: palo verde (#119)
There is a town in west NH where Paul didn't get any votes at all...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#124. To: TwentyTwelve (#116)
Well we pretty much knew that the NWO wasn't going to let him win. At least we HAD some hope...
Fox News Editing Ron Paul out of AP News Stories
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#125. To: christine (#97)
Sorry, Chrissy. Brian called it so he has first dibs.
having said that, like Brian, i'll be happy if y'all are able to shove this post down my throat.
Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec
#126. To: FormerLurker (#122)
I ain't a firin' no 12 gauge evern't again, you hear me boss?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#127. To: Pinguinite (#125)
Correction... Vast was the first to wave the French white flag.
#128. To: Critter (#115)
I think it is fraud, pure and simple. I think you are right on this one it is having demoralizing effect on many of Ron Paul supporters all I can do is pray South Carolina is honest in its reporting of the vote Love, Palo
And all the young people coming out in favor of Ron Paul suggest that maybe the problem is something else.
because Rasmussen has always been accurate in the past
I've checked all his polling against the actual results
he is only off by 1 or 2 percent, and as I said the person did better than the poll
and will "justify" leaving him out of debates and no news coverage, etc
(which may be the reason for it)
#129. To: Dakmar (#126)
It's not so bad if you use the reduced recoil shells. Handguns are better at home defense in my opinion, as they have more maneuverability and have more than adequate stopping power if using a good round such as .40 or .45 caliber.
I ain't a firin' no 12 gauge evern't again, you hear me boss?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#130. To: FormerLurker, Critter (#118)
Precincts Reporting: 185 Of 301 61% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 50,684 37% Mitt Romney 42,817 31% Mike Huckabee 15,765 12% Rudy Giuliani 11,818 9% Ron Paul 10,864 8%
#131. To: scrapper2 (#55)
Puzzling, indeed........was not Bob Smith the senator from NH, who was a very outspoken advocate for the POW/MIA families...........those families that mclame pushed aside as being of no importance because there were trade deals to be made with viet name, etc. How they could go from sending a senator like that to picking a sicko like mclame for prez is beyond most people, I'd venture to say.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
#132. To: Cynicom (#120)
I know our country was birthed by bloody revolution I only speak for myself, let others do as they will...
but Martin Luther King and Gandhi pioneered the new way
the non violent way
and I think that is the better way now
Love, Palo
#133. To: Pinguinite (#125)
I recall supporting and voting for Goldwater and everyone jumped on Johnsons bandwagon. Anyone that was for Goldwater was a tad stupid and the butt of many jokes etc. The result of their high minded thinking was a landslide victory for Johnson and one long devastating war that claimed thousands of American lives and broken bodies. As that long war dragged on it was amazing that NO ONE would admit voting for Johnson. Thinking the way the system wants you to think is alive and well.
#134. To: Dakmar (#126) (Edited)
Buy a Mosin-Nagant. They only cost sixty bucks and they can blow a hole in anything. I am taking mine elk hunting. A box of 20 7.62 X 54 only costs $2.99.
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#135. To: TwentyTwelve, ALL (#130)
Rudy Giuliani 11,818 9% Ron Paul 10,864 8% So Ron Paul is getting half of what Rasmussen polled him at Mike Huckabee 15,765 12%
and Rasmussen has never been wrong
I think the Iowa results were honest
but I think something is fishy here in NH
JMHO of course
#136. To: ... (#134)
You know much about these? I have one that shoots great, but using steel cased russian ammo, the bolt is very hard to open after firing. I haven't tried brass cased ammo yet.
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#137. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)
Given a choice of Hillary Clinton or John McCain, who would the American People vote for I wonder? Pray to God that Obama doesn't win the nomination, as he wants to ban ALL semi- automatic weapons and take away the right to concealed carry.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#138. To: FormerLurker (#137)
I would vote for the one who would destroy America the quickest, so we can get it over with.
Given a choice of Hillary Clinton or John McCain, I wonder who the American People would vote for I wonder?
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#139. To: rowdee (#131)
How they could go from sending a senator like that to picking a sicko like mclame for prez is beyond most people, I'd venture to say. Also I'm puzzled that Huckabee has done as well as he has in NH. Previously political pundits predicted that Huckabee would finish near the bottom because there's not much of an evangelical base in NH. And indeed Huckabee himself seems bewildered ( but thankful) for his 3rd place finish in NH. From Bloomberg: ...Huckabee said the campaign was happy with his third-place finish when weeks ago "nobody thought we would even be one of the contenders in New Hampshire."...
Puzzling, indeed........was not Bob Smith the senator from NH, who was a very outspoken advocate for the POW/MIA families...........those families that mclame pushed aside as being of no importance because there were trade deals to be made with viet name, etc.
#140. To: palo verde, FormerLurker, FOH, Critter, wudidiz (#135)
The whole world is watching to see what Americans are going to do about it.
..but I think something is fishy here in NH
#141. To: ... (#134)
One shot? What if I miss? I'll have a broken collarbone and a pissed off intruder.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#142. To: Critter (#138)
Your government is preparing for the final world conflagration.
#143. To: Critter (#136) (Edited)
It depends on what country the ammo comes from. The Russian stuff works great, but some of the Eastern Eurpean stuff is hard to get out. Be sure to clean the thing really well after firing. The ammo is horribly corrosive. Most of them have great bores as most guys never fired them least they give their position away. Mine are really accurate. I am now scoping one. They kick like mules though. Apparently, they really can hit things at 2000 meters, but I never tried it. ********** I re-read your post and saw you are using Russian ammo. It's proably the shipment. Every time I go to buy ammo it's differnt. Packaged differntly, etc. I found some I liked and bought a lifetime supply. Like I said above, it was about 3 bucks a pack.
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#144. To: Critter (#138)
I've considered this option. Bring on the civil war so we can reconstitute the government the Founding Fathers intended us to have, not the bloated, bastard government we have now.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#145. To: Critter (#138)
I'd be worried about McNuts nuking the US itself on his first day on the job.
I would vote for the one who would destroy America the quickest, so we can get it over with.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#146. To: scrapper2, TwentyTwelve, critter, ALL (#139)
Also I'm puzzled that Huckabee has done as well as he has in NH. Previously political pundits predicted that Huckabee would finish near the bottom because there's not much of an evangelical base in NH. And indeed Huckabee himself seems bewildered ( but thankful) for his 3rd place finish in NH. From Bloomberg: ...Huckabee said the campaign was happy with his third-place finish when weeks ago "nobody thought we would even be one of the contenders in New Hampshire."... it's possible Huckabee got those votes for the same reason he got the votes in Iowa they interpreted his message to mean he stands outside the establishment I just would like to know what happened to the votes for Ron Paul (by scrapper2)
and speaks for the little guy
it appears that half of them were not counted
#147. To: Dakmar (#141)
One advantage of the Mosin is that you can hit someone over the head with it and do some damage. An AR-16 is a wiffle bat at close quarters.
One shot? What if I miss? I'll have a broken collarbone and a pissed off intruder
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#148. To: FormerLurker (#145)
This today from Baltimore Sun.... "A McCain candidacy and defeat would be a near-term disaster for the Republicans, but it might be good for the party in the long run. Mr. McCain would be the standard bearer of big-government conservatism: taxing and spending at home and crusading for democracy in foreign lands. His defeat in November would show beyond all doubt that such "conservatism" has been a political failure. He would thus, at long last, open a sorely needed debate about the principles of the Republican party" The above sounds a lot like Ron Paul.
#149. To: FormerLurker (#137)
Sheesh -regarding the potential ban on semi-automatic weapons and concealed carry - I'd say that's the least of our worries if Obama wins. Obama is a far left socialist - there's a reason why a guy like Mekons loves Obama and it isn't because of Obama's stand on guns, I'd wager. Besides which some states have semi-automatic weapons restrictive statutes on the books and ditto for concealed carry restrictions: Pray to God that Obama doesn't win the nomination, as he wants to ban ALL semi- automatic weapons and take away the right to concealed carry.
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
I'd be worried about a NATIONAL ban where they'd try to actually carry out house to house raids on ALL gun owners that have their purchases recorded, or their gun ownership known by the government. If it's incremental, and they pull a few more Virginia Tech's and Columbine's, then the sheeple will be on their side.
Besides which some states have semi-automatic weapons restrictive statutes on the books and ditto for concealed carry restrictions:
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#151. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Critter, all (#130)
I hate it when I'm right about something that is a disgusting outcome. The Bastards would not even let Ron Paul come in 3rd. They had to elevate Hucksterbee and Ghouliani over him. There is no way this is an honest count. Also as I predicted "Hillary wins by a 'narrow' margin" and then amid a great resurgence in support will march "triumphantly" into the Democonned Convention where she will be officially annointed as Queen.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#152. To: Cynicom (#148)
Unfortunetly, it'd be too little too late...
The above sounds a lot like Ron Paul.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#153. To: Original_Intent (#151)
I hate that you were right, and that our country is apparently finished.
I hate it when I'm right about something that is a disgusting outcome.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#154. To: Original_Intent (#151)
I characterized it as Hillarys "resurrection". The country will be agog at her sweep into power.
great resurgence in support will march "triumphantly" into the Democonned Convention where she will be officially annointed as Queen.
#155. To: Pinguinite (#4)
It's sad, but it's probably true. According to CNN, RP got 14% of the GOP-voting 'independents' while McCain and Romney had Indie votes in the 30's.
Only 10% reported so far, so there's still room for some movement since voting preferences vary by district. Maybe a few points, anyway.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#156. To: TwentyTwelve, ALL (#140)
(TwentyTwelve) The whole world is watching to see what Americans are going to do about it. I don't know all I can think to do is pray for honest results in as many States as possible in the Primaries coming up well we knew from the get-go we would be up against a lot I don't think we should give up (Palo) I think something is fishy here in NH
I think the Ron Paul supporters in New Hampshire may want to look closely at the election results
fraud can be detected if it is looked for..
Pennsylvania has totally corrupt government, so I am not expecting honesty there..
I guess we were naive about New Hampshire, because of all that "live free or die" stuff
I think we should strengthen our resolve
let them throw everything at us they can, we will prevail anyway
Love, Palo
#157. To: Original_Intent (#151) (Edited)
great resurgence in support will march "triumphantly" into the Democonned Convention where she will be officially annointed as Queen. The way I see it, we are just in for more of the same. Nothing worse. And there is little I can do to change it. So I am just going to lay low and save up what I need to live. I've been getting ready for the past year. It will, however, be fun watching the heads explode over on FreeRepublic the morning after the election.
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#158. To: TwentyTwelve, palo verde, FormerLurker, FOH, Critter, wudidiz, Cynicom (#140)
I'm not buying this "fishy" business. Older people from the north may simply not like Ron Paul's anti-New Deal stance, or his "bring all the troops home" message. This should not surprise us too much. The media's dislike for Ron Paul is easily all it takes to keep him from getting elected, since we literally learn all we know about candidates through media sources. They vary some, but 90% have either ignored Ron Paul or have shown massive prejudice against him. The real conspiracy here is in control of the media, and control over education. Pro-government state-funded education is an impact on these people that can last for a lifetime. We're a unique bunch for liking Ron Paul. We are trying to change minds through our own medium, but it's still not the primary source of news for every major voting bloc. Don't give up yet, though. Ron Paul can taste victory. He will have his chance yet to reach through the cobwebs of prejudice and ignorance. We're going to have to help him offline, though. An MSNBC exit poll follows. I include a highlight on Ron Paul supporters lower gun ownership in order to show that McCain voters are actually more traditional in some ways. Some Ron Paul voters are clearly just voting to stop the war in Iraq, and are greens or pacifists. This is GOOD. I welcome anyone's support for Ron Paul, left or right. But you can see that McCain speaks to traditional people (I've witnessed this myself, although I get hoarse trying to prove them wrong). palo: ..but I think something is fishy here in NH
Age-65Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson Yes 50 8 13 0 42 8 27 1 No 50 9 12 1 32 6 34 0 Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson 18-24 9 15 15 - 27 19 17 0 25-29 5 4 11 - 37 15 33 - 30-39 15 11 12 - 38 9 28 3 40-49 23 10 12 1 35 7 31 1 50-64 34 8 12 1 38 6 30 1 65 or over 15 6 7 0 40 3 44 - Category % Total Giuliani Huckabee Hunter McCain Paul Romney Thompson 18-64 85 9 12 1 36 9 29 1 65 or over 15 6 7 0 40 3 44 -
#159. To: Original_Intent (#151)
The world is watching to see what Americans are going to do about it. There is no way this is an honest count.
#160. To: Original_Intent (#151)
The Bastards would not even let Ron Paul come in 3rd. There is no way this is an honest count. I too do not think this is honest counting of votes ... that is a disgusting outcome.
They had to elevate Hucksterbee and Ghouliani over him.
Love, Palo
#161. To: palo verde, scrapper2, TwentyTwelve, critter, ALL (#146)
It's also possible that the Moon is made of Green Cheese. Palo, you are a dear but the Iowa Ca-Ca-us was as crooked as a 3 dollar bill. The results were taken into a back room, and then after a couple hours delay as the results were slowly cooked, they were announced. They were not true results but they were the ones the crooks can make stand. There are already reports coming out from Iowans who voted for Ron Paul calling foul. The same holds true for New Hampshire. You can bet that there will be a big divergence between the Paper Ballots/Hand Counted Precincts and the Diebold Machine Made results.
it's possible Huckabee got those votes
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#162. To: ... (#147)
I'm not too worried about Special Forces airborning onto my property, not much I could do about in any case. The more I think about the more I think a .22 rifle is my best bet. If any clubbing needs doing I'll use 1/2" breaker bar.
One advantage of the Mosin is that you can hit someone over the head with it and do some damage. An AR-16 is a wiffle bat at close quarters.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#163. To: Dakmar (#117)
A .22LR or even a .22 magnum won't achieve your objective. AR15s are .223 longer cartridge, much higher velocity but not an in-home defense weapon
I'm only wanting to stop burglars and the occasional vandal.
#164. To: Original_Intent (#161)
There are already reports coming out from Iowans who voted for Ron Paul calling foul. The same holds true for New Hampshire. You can bet that there will be a big divergence between the Paper Ballots/Hand Counted Precincts and the Diebold Machine Made results. Exactly.
The results were taken into a back room, and then after a couple hours delay as the results were slowly cooked, they were announced. They were not true results but they were the ones the crooks can make stand.
#165. To: buckeye (#158)
buck... I think it is much simpler than that. There is a sad lack of name recognition. I speak to so many people that have NEVER heard of Ron Paul that you wonder where they have been living. That is a fact, it has nothing to do with his message or Paul. War, taxes etc etc means nothing if you have never heard of the man.
Older people from the north may simply not like Ron Paul's anti-New Deal stance, or his "bring all the troops home" message
#166. To: Original_Intent, Critter, FormerLurker (#161)
New Hampshire Republican Primary Precincts Reporting: 220 Of 301 73% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 63,140 37% Mitt Romney 54,483 32% Mike Huckabee 19,139 11% Rudy Giuliani 14,619 9% Ron Paul 13,283 8% Fred Thompson 2,045 1%
#167. To: FormerLurker (#150)
Uh huh, whatever... I'm suggesting to you that an Obama presidency would more likely target middle class wallets than any semi-automatic weapons which professional middle class households are not very likely to own anyways.
I'd be worried about a NATIONAL ban where they'd try to actually carry out house to house raids on ALL gun owners that have their purchases recorded, or their gun ownership known by the government. If it's incremental, and they pull a few more Virginia Tech's and Columbine's, then the sheeple will be on their side.
#168. To: Brian S (#20)
It is time that he gives it serious consideration. Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President. Indeed. I was criticized for posting a thread a couple of weeks before Iowa suggesting this and for posting on threads long before that one, stating that the ONLY way RP could compete for the US presidency is by running AGAINST the 2 parties not from inside a party that can barely tolerate him. Now, after losing 3 out of three, maybe RP will consider this even though, after losing 3 GOP state contests, he has now the reputation of a loser and he will be identified by the MSM as a sore GOP loser so he can't win as an Indie any longer.
I think he would actually have a chance as an independent. It's too bad he isn't considering this.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#169. To: Dukie (#163)
Six or seven good shots wouldn't stop your average punk criminal? Life isn't a Bronson movie, very few of them will be hopped up on PCP.
A .22LR or even a .22 magnum won't achieve your objective.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
#170. To: farmfriend (#23)
And every GOP that voted for him should do like I'm going to do and walk away from the party. I intend on joining the Constitution Party though Libertarian is more consistent with my ideals. Thank you. There were a number of suggestions at this site, suggesting that this nation can be saved by people actually joining the GOP party and change that abomination from within. What an abominable idea.
Fact of the matter is, RP will never get the GOP nomination for President.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#171. To: ... (#143)
Thanks. Mine is accurate as heck too. The only problem was that bolt issue. I'm glad to know it could just be the ammo.
Tag Line For Rent (M, 48, NY)
#172. To: buckeye (#158)
The real conspiracy here is in control of the media, and control over education. Pro-government state-funded education is an impact on these people that can last for a lifetime. We're a unique bunch for liking Ron Paul. We are trying to change minds through our own medium, but it's still not the primary source of news for every major voting bloc. Don't give up yet, though. Ron Paul can taste victory. He will have his chance yet to reach through the cobwebs of prejudice and ignorance. We're going to have to help him offline, though Your logic is impeccable as usual but your post is valuable, because it shows me where my emphasis should be But I am willing to put New Hampshire behind me after reading your post I'm not buying this "fishy" business. Older people from the north may simply not like Ron Paul's anti-New Deal stance, or his "bring all the troops home" message. This should not surprise us too much. The media's dislike for Ron Paul is easily all it takes to keep him from getting elected, since we literally learn all we know about candidates through media sources. They vary some, but 90% have either ignored Ron Paul or have shown massive prejudice against him.
but Rasmussen gave Ron Paul 14 percent in the polling
and Rasmussen has never been wrong before
that is why I smell a rat
to just put New Hampshire behind me, and concentrate on winning the other States
I just don't want New Hampshire voters to be damned for their dismal vote for Ron Paul,
if in fact their votes were not counted
you did good Buckeye
Love, Palo
#173. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#168)
Vast... You were waving a white flag as if everone here was living in darkness as to Pauls chances. Dont mischaracterize your intention.
I was criticized
#174. To: Cynicom (#165)
Well I agree with you to a point, but older New Dealers will not like his message, when they do hear it. It didn't take election fraud to deliver NH to Clinton and McCain. Voter recognition and voter acceptance of Ron Paul's message needs to happen offline now. We've tried to make our point online here that the campaign should simplify and use traditional advertising. Whole markets may be closed to his message at any price. To give you an idea how expensive premium advertising is, $20 million is pocket change. Consider that Superbowl advertising is about $2.4 million a whack, as of 2005. Think about that. It takes billions to make the minds of Americans change. And there are billions being spent in overt and tacit, long-haul ways, to elect other candidates to protect the status quo.
There is a sad lack of name recognition. I speak to so many people that have NEVER heard of Ron Paul that you wonder where they have been living.
#175. To: Original_Intent (#151)
The Bastards would not even let Ron Paul come in 3rd. They had to elevate Hucksterbee and Ghouliani over him. There is no way this is an honest count. I hate it when I'm right about something that is a disgusting outcome.
#176. To: buckeye, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#158)
Good post! (buckeye) Don't give up yet, though. Ron Paul can taste victory.
He will have his chance yet to reach through the cobwebs of prejudice and ignorance.
We're going to have to help him offline, though.
No I won't give up
It toughened my resolve
We will have Ron Paul in our White House this time next year
Love, Palo
#177. To: ..., TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Palo Verde, all (#157)
The Freeptards are going to have a collective seizure. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of quislings. It will be interesting to watch and see which Republocrat will be chosen to lose to Hitlery. It is getting close to where I start advocating people taking to the streets. The only other option is start adjusting and getting ready for a slave's collar. I suspect that these results were chosen so as to deliver a psychic blow to the Ron Paul forces to demoralize them. It did not work here. It just made me more determined to fight back.
The way I see it, we are just in for more of the same. Nothing worse. And there is little I can do to change it. So I am just going to lay low and save up what I need to live. I've been getting ready for the past year. It will, however, be fun watching the heads explode over on FreeRepublic the morning after the election.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#178. To: buckeye (#174)
People here are already waving the white flag. Hillary we will have.
#179. To: Pinguinite (#32)
Not good, I'd say. A lot of people have woken up to liberty with Ron Paul's campaign. As Janis Joplin once concluded, "freedom is just another word for nothing left to loser". The consumers can't achieve the blessed state of freedom while attaching themselves to a political party. RP received 8% of the Indies who compromised their principles and came to vote in a Demo-GOP primary. It's hard to tell how many Indies RP would have had on his side if he ran as an Indie, opposing Hillary and Rudy and, sadly, we will never know. However, we do know and we should have known a long, long time ago that RP was going to carry ZERO states in a GOP contest for nomination.
If Ron is only getting 10% of the R votes in an open primary, what's that say about his chances in winning as an independent?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#180. To: palo verde (#172)
To win, palo dear, you will have to make your online activities reach people who are living an offline existence. You know what I mean. But you can do this with your telephone and your personal charm. Note that this must have worked in the case of the NH GOP office, because they stood up for freedom. Call people, palo. Even people you don't know. Call people in the media and political party officials, though.
to just put New Hampshire behind me, and concentrate on winning the other States
#181. To: Dakmar (#169)
Google Kel-Tec PLR-16. I might get one this week.
#182. To: buckeye (#158)
I agree with you. Minimize and Ignore are the tactics used. They have worked and will likely continue to do so.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
#183. To: Original_Intent (#151)
Heil Hillary! Heil Hillary!! Heil Hillary!!! Also as I predicted "Hillary wins by a 'narrow' margin" and then amid a great resurgence in support will march "triumphantly" into the Democonned Convention where she will be officially annointed as Queen.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#184. To: scrapper2 (#167)
Go ahead and think it won't happen. Hopefully I'm wrong, but usually I'm not.
Uh huh, whatever...
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#185. To: Cynicom (#178)
That's a mistake, and it's a mistake to call the NH results significantly impacted by any fraud. We didn't step away from our keyboards often enough to change offline minds. RP supporters are going to have to unplug to win.
People here are already waving the white flag.
#186. To: Cynicom (#173)
Vast... You were waving a white flag as if eve Au contraire, my friend. I suggested that the ONLY FIGHTING CHANCE RP had was to compete AGAINST the 2 parties. That was a call to fight and, indeed, it was very different from the schemes discussed by various RP supporters, involving RP's ability to somehow hijack the party of war and torture and get himself nominated for president by that party.
I was criticized
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#187. To: TwentyTwelve (#164)
The criminals in charge are absolutely predictable. The real problem we face is not deciphering what they are up to as that is not terribly difficult. The problem is convincing the Sheep that they are going to be first enslaved and then murdered in large numbers. The just don't get it. The Freeptards will placidly load up the Cattle Cars so that they can go get their Pony. I am disgusted at this point. I'll feel better tomorrow, but the hour is getting late. I'll go out like a Roman Candle before I allow myself to be sent quietly to be butchered.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#188. To: buckeye (#185)
Don't forget, it's JUST N.H., a very small portion of a greater America.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#189. To: X-15 (#183)
#190. To: Original_Intent (#187)
You have to make it a good show to sell the Rubes. All of the big money is backing Hitlery. She has something like 100 million in "donations". Ron Paul is the only Republican that can win in the General (s)Election and so must be marginalized to allow a Hitlery "win". Hitlery will win in NH and win big on "Super Tuesday". Thus garnering a "magical" come from behind win to "catapult" into an "insurmountable" lead. You nailed it. The Obama "surge" is all for show to convince the rubes that Hillary is in the "fight of her life" and that she must work hard to overcome a deficit to gain the nomination. LOL. And the show goes on... Vitamin Z posted on 2008-01-04 16:02:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Original_Intent (#21)
#191. To: Esso (#181)
i had to edit out your graphic. it destroyed the thread. :P
#192. To: Cynicom (#178)
Many think that's already been determined, well before now. With RP's showing in probably the most Libertarian state in the Union, and with the hatred most feel towards Republicans (aka neocons), especially when looking at the vote totals, it's pretty much a given that there's no way in hell a Republican will be elected president this election.
Hillary we will have.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#193. To: Original_Intent (#187)
Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends/ I'm so glad you could attend, come inside come inside
#194. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#186)
vast... You were the first white flag waver.
#195. To: Vitamin Z (#190)
LOL. And the show goes on... i wonder when we're all going to stop LOL'ing. :/
You nailed it. The Obama "surge" is all for show to convince the rubes that Hillary is in the "fight of her life" and that she must work hard to overcome a deficit to gain the nomination.
#196. To: TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Critter, Buckeye, lodwick, ALL (#166)
Mitt Romney 54,483 32% Mike Huckabee 19,139 11% Rudy Giuliani 14,619 9% Ron Paul 13,283 8% Fred Thompson 2,045 1% So if the votes had been counted honestly then Ron Paul would have come in 3rd OK, I'm not going to get mad about it GO RON GO Love, Palo
John McCain 63,140 37%
with Ron Paul's 14 percent reported by Rasmussen
(I thought the true number was 18 percent because Rasmussen can't reach anyone on cellphone
and youth is on cellephone)
I agree with Original Intent
this was not allowed
but I am going to get even more determined to put Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year
#197. To: christine (#191) (Edited)
GUN-GRABBER!!! christine IS A GUN-GRABBER!!!! SECOND AMENDMENT CENSORSHIP!! ;-)
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#198. To: FormerLurker (#192)
With Paul supporters already waving the white flag, there is only one alternative if he is indeed serious and that is to go third party.
#199. To: palo verde (#196)
palo, do you see why many of us ARE mad, and HAVE been angry over what we've tried to convey over the last several years, in that the system is corrupt?
OK, I'm not going to get mad about it
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#200. To: christine (#191)
Hmmmm, what'd it do?
#201. To: X-15 (#188)
Good post Don't forget, it's JUST N.H., a very small portion of a greater America.
and not representative of a greater America either imho
Love, Palo
#202. To: palo verde, Cynicom (#196)
Before the debate? As I've said, RP's delivery in the ABC debate was less than stellar for the undecided traditional voter. He needs to get tough, like he did on Laura Ingrahm's show today.
with Ron Paul's 14 percent reported by Rasmussen
#203. To: Vitamin Z (#193)
Come inside the Shows about to start Guaranteed to blow your head apart ...
Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends/ I'm so glad you could attend, come inside come inside
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#204. To: christine (#195)
At this point, that's all there is to do! :)
i wonder when we're all going to stop LOL'ing. :/
#205. To: Cynicom (#198)
I'll continue to support RP, but my hopes for him getting the nomination are strongly diminshed. As you say, his only hope I think is to run 3rd party, but the chances of that working out are slim.
With Paul supporters already waving the white flag, there is only one alternative if he is indeed serious and that is to go third party.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#206. To: palo verde, FormerLurker (#199)
Being kind, polite, and nice isn't going to save you.
palo, do you see why many of us ARE mad, and HAVE been angry over what we've tried to convey over the last several years, in that the system is corrupt?
#207. To: FormerLurker, scrapper2 (#150)
that's coming no matter who the next prez is--dem or pub
I'd be worried about a NATIONAL ban where they'd try to actually carry out house to house raids on ALL gun owners that have their purchases recorded, or their gun ownership known by the government. If it's incremental, and they pull a few more Virginia Tech's and Columbine's, then the sheeple will be on their side.
#208. To: buckeye (#202)
Paul needs to to tell Americans, "I am in this to the end, GOP or third party, whatever it takes".
#209. To: Cynicom (#194)
You were the first white flag waver. Like I said, reality was going come to bite you in the butt and... it did and it does. Can't operate effectively in the real world if you insist on rejecting it and on constructing some imaginary structures because they are prettier and then declare them to be 'real'.
vast...
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#210. To: Vitamin Z (#190)
And the Beat goes on And the beat goes on ...
LOL. And the show goes on...
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#211. To: buckeye (#202)
I noticed one other problem with his performance that evening, and that is he looked tired. It might be too much to expect for him at his age to fight harder, but that may well be a major reason for the disappointing results tonight.
As I've said, RP's delivery in the ABC debate was less than stellar for the undecided traditional voter.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#212. To: FormerLurker (#205)
#213. To: Cynicom (#208)
Posters at the RP forums are encouraging Paul to take the matching funds and head out third party. Hmmm...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#214. To: X-15, Esso (#197)
hehehehehe Esso, the graphic was huge and threw off the lines and there was a side to side to scroll bar. you didn't see that? what browser are you using? i'm using maxthon IE.
#215. To: Cynicom (#208)
Right on. Have you called the campaign yet, with your septuagenarian qualifications? I'm thinking you should fly out to stand in their way between limousine and hotel, if they won't take your call.
#216. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#209)
Vast... You remind me of a child running up and down the sidelines screaming to the team, "you cant win, you cant win". But I hope others here note that you are not a player.
#217. To: christine (#207)
Not if Ron Paul were president, but of course that is just another reason for the MSM to marginalize him and treat him as a fringe candidate. The march towards the NWO is getting louder, and the footsteps are getting closer.
that's coming no matter who the next prez is--dem or pub
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#218. To: buckeye (#215)
I cast my lot with Paul to the bitter end if he cares to go that far. Jumping ship before it leaves the dock is not my forte.
#219. To: Cynicom (#216)
I played a quest inside 'Knights of the Nine' tonite. It's an add-on to Oblivion and it's included in the 'Game of the Year' edition. A most satisfying experience in a vast, imaginary world.
But I hope others here note that you are not a player.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#220. To: TwentyTwelve (#212)
Is that a picture of Byteshredder?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#221. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#199)
darling get as mad as you want to so my best response is to come back stronger, no? GO Ron GO
palo, do you see why many of us ARE mad, and HAVE been angry over what we've tried to convey over the last several years, in that the system is corrupt?
of course there are grounds for it
there is no beginning and no end to the corruption in our government and in our mass media
I actually think there was fraud in New Hampshire
and Ron Paul was denied his 3rd place win
the purpose of this is to demoralize the Ron Paul campaign
"justify" no news coverage of Ron Paul
keep him off all debates
and throw his campaign and supporters into disarray
(and stop his supporters from sending him money)
they want Ron Paul to go into South Carolina as weak as possible
Ron has a lot of support in that State
Love, Palo
#222. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#219)
Vast... You were never a player and your original post spelled it out for all to see. Fair weather patriots are a dime a dozen and they come equipped with white flags.
#223. To: FormerLurker (#217)
'Change'? - Obama Backed By Consumate Insider
#224. To: FormerLurker (#217)
Sounds like a Goose Step.
...and the footsteps are getting closer.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#225. To: Original_Intent (#210)
Must the show go on? Oooooo pa, (let me go, let me go, let me go.) Oooooo ma, (take me home, take me home, take me home.) There must be some mistake, I never meant to let them take, Away my soul. Am I too old? Is it too late? Where has the feeling gone? Will I remember this song? The show must go on.
#226. To: FormerLurker, christine, Cynicom, iconoclast (#217)
In his NH Town Hall video he picks something off his tongue and flicks it away while he's waiting for someone to finish asking a question. You would NEVER see a top-tier candidate on film doing something like that. This is because they have extremely expensive film editing with multiple camera angles. There's a video floating around that shows Clinton getting ready for another ad spot take and he looks like a robot. We love Ron Paul because he represents straightforward and honest (and even very intelligent) patriotism. But we inhabit a formulaic world in which all we see has been cooked and reimaged digitally. This can be to Ron Paul's favor, but not if he's unheard of.
#227. To: FormerLurker (#220)
New Hampshire Republican Primary Precincts Reporting: 242 Of 301 80% Winner Candidate Votes Vote % X John McCain 70,545 36% Mitt Romney 60,750 32% Mike Huckabee 21,191 11% Rudy Giuliani 16,538 9% Ron Paul 14,762 8% Others 7,708 4%
#228. To: palo verde (#221)
Of course it is palo, but with the machines in SC more than likely rigged, I won't hold my breath for good results there.. SC officials plan to use voting machines banned by other states
so my best response is to come back stronger, no?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#229. To: Cynicom (#218)
Well you may want to put that enthusiasm to work on the phone with them.
Jumping ship before it leaves the dock is not my forte.
#230. To: buckeye (#229)
Paul does have people around him that are not too adept at picking up all support that is available and I made that fact known. No reply.
#231. To: TwentyTwelve (#227)
Rudy Giuliani 16,538 9% Ron Paul 14,762 8% I really can't see how Ron Paul could be almost 7000 votes behind Huckleberry.
Mike Huckabee 21,191 11%
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#232. To: palo verde (#196)
Good. When the chance for voter fraud is there, it could make sizable percentage points of difference. In the major election, RP will have to win by a margin. So yes, we do have work to do. But we knew that.
but I am going to get even more determined to put Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year
#233. To: Cynicom, buckeye, lodwick, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#218)
I cast my lot with Paul to the bitter end if he cares to go that far. Jumping ship before it leaves the dock is not my forte. I cast my lot with Ron Paul until he is in our Oval Office next year GO Ron GO!!!
(by Cynicom)
#234. To: Cynicom (#230)
If you are within driving distance of SC, you might want to consider doing this on foot.
Paul does have people around him that are not too adept at picking up all support that is available and I made that fact known. No reply.
#235. To: FormerLurker (#231)
Really odd, the NH voters picked a preacher and assorted war mongers. That does not compute.
#236. To: christine (#214)
The OS my box uses is a version of Windows CE, I guess the browser is a version of MSIE. The screen auto-sizes so I couldn't see what was happening without manually resizing the page.
#237. To: Cynicom (#230)
They neglected to put their ads on Boston TV stations (until the last minute at most), and focused on local NH stations that almost nobody watches.
Paul does have people around him that are not too adept at picking up all support that is available and I made that fact known. No reply.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#238. To: buckeye (#234)
Old age and infirmity prohibits.
#239. To: FormerLurker (#237)
Paul has problems in that no one could answer a straight forward email but I received two canned emails in one day looking for money.
#240. To: Cynicom (#235)
In reality, most people voted Democrat and will NOT vote for a Republican. Hillary and Obama have been working the state for quite some time, and their message fools those that don't know all the facts. If the media hadn't marginalized RP the outcome may have been different, but we have what we have.
Really odd, the NH voters picked a preacher and assorted war mongers. That does not compute.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#241. To: buckeye, ALL (#232)
We knew they would do voter fraud on us from the get-go It is very intelligent what you said, Good. When the chance for voter fraud is there, it could make sizable percentage points of difference.
In the major election, RP will have to win by a margin.
So yes, we do have work to do. But we knew that.
they did it in New Hampshire tonight
big deal! their purpose was to destroy us
Hahaha we will come back stronger
Love, Palo
in the general election we will have to win by huge margin to overcome massive vote fraud
they will fix that election 10 points against us
but we will win anyway
I love you
#242. To: Vitamin Z (#225)
Memries,
Like the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories
Of the way we were
Scattered pictures,
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were
Can it be that it was all so simple then?
Or has time re-written every line?
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me, would we? could we?
Memries, may be beautiful and yet
Whats too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So its the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember...
The way we were...
The way we were...
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#243. To: Cynicom (#239)
I received a response from a campaign volunteer that was about as useless as what you got.
Paul has problems in that no one could answer a straight forward email but I received two canned emails in one day looking for money.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#244. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom, ALL (#237)
(Cynicom) Paul does have people around him that are not too adept at picking up all support that is available and I made that fact known. No reply. (FormerLurker) They neglected to put their ads on Boston TV stations (until the last minute at most), and focused on local NH stations that almost nobody watches. Smart post, Former Lurker PS, thanks for writing to Ron Paul campaign, Cynicom,
I hope the Ron Paul campaign gets sharper
this is the big time
Love, Palo
they need to pick up all the support out there for Ron Paul
#245. To: FormerLurker (#243) (Edited)
I was rather frank in my email, reminding them that Paul speaks all the time of the "grassroots" but not TO them. I reminded them the choice was theirs. Money can be cut off in a wink. Isolating the candidate from his ONLY source of money is self defeating.
#246. To: Cynicom (#245)
Good! You did good!
Love, Palo
#247. To: FormerLurker (#240)
Title: Paul gets 8% of the NH vote - what a landslide for this front runner!!
#248. To: Cynicom (#239)
he's not spending his money intelligently Paul has problems in that no one could answer a straight forward email but I received two canned emails in one day looking for money.
they haven't figured out that money alone doesn't do anything
they must get out their message to all
Love, Palo
#249. To: Original_Intent (#242)
Nice one...
So its the laughter We will remember Whenever we remember... The way we were... The way we were...
#250. To: palo verde (#248)
palo... Perhaps you watched Paul on Leno last nite. Leno asked the question of who would Paul pick of the others for his VP...That to me seemed to be a planted question by Paul and very interesting. I just cannot figure out what was the purpose.
#251. To: Cynicom (#245)
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, although many of the other candidates had local town hall meetings in NH, I'm not aware of any that Ron Paul's campaign organized, except for the one last Sunday in a small TV studio.
I was rather frank in my email, reminding them that Paul speaks all the time of the "grassroots" but not TO them.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#252. To: Cynicom, palo verde, buckeye, FormerLurker (#235)
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
Really odd, the NH voters picked a preacher and assorted war mongers. That does not compute.
#253. To: TwentyTwelve (#247)
Well the shills certainly seem pretty proud of themselves. They've done a good job at guaranteeing Hillary's coronation, or Obama's landslide victory.
Title: Paul gets 8% of the NH vote - what a landslide for this front runner!!
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#254. To: christine (#252)
The McCain vote isn't surprising, but the Huckabee vote doesn't compute.
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#255. To: FormerLurker, FOH, Original_Intent (#253)
.. and Goldi removed most of the Ron Paul supporters from her site.
Well the shills certainly seem pretty proud of themselves. They've done a good job at guaranteeing Hillary's coronation, or Obama's landslide victory.
#256. To: christine (#252) (Edited)
It is gross contradiction that a preacher does well and two war mongers do very well, that is in both pub and dem. How can a segment vote for a man of peace and a war monger that wants to invade Iran or whoever is available. To me it is not intelligent thinking by all of them.
#257. To: FormerLurker (#243)
maybe you should threaten to stop donating to them, that will get their attention received a response from a campaign volunteer that was about as useless as what you got.
they're overly thrilled about the money coming in, and aren't doing their campaign right
because your ideas for them are GOOD!!! they need to hear them and pay attention to them!!
Love, Palo
#258. To: Vitamin Z (#249)
Thanks. I've loved that song for a long time. I may not care for BS's politics but she is/was a helluva singer and it was a great song. I wonder what Mrs. Robinson is up to these days? Posting on Rimjobistan?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#259. To: palo verde (#257)
I told them the choice was theirs. If the donations start dropping off there will be questions asked and the "grassroots" will receive the blame.
#260. To: FormerLurker (#251)
good point!! Love, Palo
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, although many of the other candidates had local town hall meetings in NH, I'm not aware of any that Ron Paul's campaign organized, except for the one last Sunday in a small TV studio.
#261. To: TwentyTwelve (#255)
He doesn't suck up to the Israeli Lobby. I think it should be clear by now that Goldi-Putz cares more about the Israeli Police State than a free American Republic.
.. and Goldi removed most of the Ron Paul supporters from her site.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#262. To: Cynicom, FormerLurker, ALL (#259)
You did excellent, you have to mention money to get their full attention and what they need are good ideas! I told them the choice was theirs. If the donations start dropping off there will be questions asked and the "grassroots" will receive the blame.
because they are overly excited about the money
and you and Former Lurker and others have come up with top notch ideas for them
Love, Palo
#263. To: TwentyTwelve, FOH, Original_Intent (#255)
I bet she's pretty proud of herself as well..
.. and Goldi removed most of the Ron Paul supporters from her site.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#264. To: Cynicom (#250)
Perhaps you watched Paul on Leno last nite. Leno asked the question of who would Paul pick of the others for his VP... I meant to watch Leno last night, I don't know what happened IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP How did Ron answer that question?
palo...
That to me seemed to be a planted question by Paul and very interesting.
I just cannot figure out what was the purpose.
#265. To: palo verde, Cynicom (#262)
It'll be much more difficult to do nationwide what they could have done in the small state of NH.
and you and Former Lurker and others have come up with top notch ideas for them
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#266. To: palo verde (#264)
palo.. It was a well worded NO. If the question was not planted, Leno did well on his own.
#267. To: christine, Cynicom (#252)
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
i don't believe for one moment that they did.
#268. To: FormerLurker (#263)
I bet she's pretty proud of herself as well.. It was good for Israel. Fuck the stupid Goys. /Hasbarfa
.. and Goldi removed most of the Ron Paul supporters from her site.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#269. To: palo verde (#264)
How did Ron answer that question? RP was polite - as I recall he said the current crop of GOP candidates would have to change their positions considerably but if any of them became more in sync with RP's positions he'd give those candidates consideration - RP said for example he tried to educate Rudy about foreign policy issues by recommending various books but thusfar Rudy did not seem to available himself of RP's reading list so RP did not seem hopeful about the others either.
IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP
#270. To: FormerLurker (#265)
My thinking... Paul would do well to announce to the grassroots and to the public that he is in this to the bitter end, win lose or draw, via the pub party or via a third party. That automatically defeats the republican warmonger. I would much rather be one of 30 million voters for Paul in a third party race than sit at home doing nothing. Perot garnered 20 million and Paul can do better. Before vast waves the white flag whining Paul wont win, I wont to say no kidding, how observant of you.
#271. To: FormerLurker (#228)
so my best response is to come back stronger, no? Of course it is palo, but with the machines in SC more than likely rigged, I won't hold my breath for good results there.. we'll see South Carolina may be honest, just as Iowa was Love, Palo
I was so idealistic and naive about New Hampshire and look what they did
voter fraud on Ron Paul
ya know the original AP report about keeping Ron Paul out of the Fox debate
said it was the decision of the NH GOP
notice how 2 days before the Fox debate, the NH GOP took that "principled stand" to disavow the debate
I bet the New Hampshire GOP had figured out how to work the fraud
and then could "afford" to be so "noble"
"Let Ron Pual be in the debate" they said
I pray so
#272. To: scrapper2 (#269)
If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW. Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him lose.
#273. To: Cynicom (#250)
I saw it and I thought Leno asked if he'd be willing to be VP if asked by another candidate. I don't remember Leno asking who Ron would choose.
Leno asked the question of who would Paul pick of the others for his VP...That to me seemed to be a planted question by Paul and very interesting. I just cannot figure out what was the purpose.
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#274. To: buckeye (#267)
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll. I'm not sure if the poll was reflected in how the votes went tonight in NH college towns.
Many years ago, it was foretold by economists that a massive generation gap would emerge. It is happening now. The youth know that we older people are going to cost them given our present system of entitlements. This is a form of slavery they see coming, and they are right to vote against it. Older people should recognize its inherent unfairness, as well. This may need to be spoken to reach the generation that voted for Mccain and Clinton in NH.
#275. To: Pinguinite (#273)
Neil You have it backward. I suspect Paul asked him to ask it, maybe not.
#276. To: Cynicom (#270)
It's good. It must happen.
Paul would do well to announce to the grassroots and to the public that he is in this to the bitter end, win lose or draw, via the pub party or via a third party.
#277. To: scrapper2 (#274)
I'm stunned.
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
#278. To: buckeye (#276)
With such an announcement I suspect we would see a major shift in the pub candidates toward Paul, trying to CYA.
#279. To: scrapper2 (#269)
(scrapper2) RP was polite - as I recall he said the current crop of GOP candidates would have to change their positions considerably RP said for example he tried to educate Rudy about foreign policy issues by recommending various books but thusfar Rudy did not seem to available himself of RP's reading list so RP did not seem hopeful about the others either. O Scrapper, you are the best GO Ron GO!!!
(Palo) IMHO Ron Paul would not pick any of the others to be his VP
How did Ron answer that question?
but if any of them became more in sync with RP's positions he'd give those candidates consideration -
thank you very much for this post
Ya gotta hand it to Ron Paul
what a lovely gentleman he is, and how perfectly he answered that question
He is the ideal combo, perfectly honest, plus perfect gentleman
we really are backing a lovely man for President
Love, Palo
#280. To: Cynicom (#272)
another brilliant and practical idea of yours! If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW.
Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him loose.
you are good at this
Love, Palo
#281. To: palo verde (#279)
Scrap is younger than me with a better memory.
#282. To: palo verde (#280)
It is a waste of time trying to penetrate the firewall that the slicks have around Paul. You note Hillary did bad in Iowas and immediately brought in new faces.
#283. To: buckeye, scrapper2, ALL (#277)
(Buckeye) I'm stunned. Rudy is socially liberal here in Tucson, most Tucsonans go to the community college and I know at the U of Arizona, my Ron Paul Meet Up group had very successful Love, Palo
(Scrapper) And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
most college students are too
but Dartmouth is Ivy League, it is not typical college
meeting wirh the campus Republicans there
#284. To: Cynicom (#282)
It is like fighting with one hand tied behind our backs I think the money will stop gushing in to them, if they don't use it to better avail To Ron Paul campaign people, WAKE UP!!
It is a waste of time trying to penetrate the firewall that the slicks have around Paul. You note Hillary did bad in Iowas and immediately brought in new faces.
that Ron Paul's campaign people stink
they have to get wtih the program
I don't know what will wake them up
maybe they will believe the fraud vote in New Hampshire, and think they have to make some big changes
that would be a good outcome from this "disaster"
Love, Palo
#285. To: Cynicom, palo verde (#272)
It might be a bit too early to expect that RP has received any firm committments from people he has contacted. I did not mind the way he handled that question - he made a few jokes - and I think it went over well. But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own and RP said Dennis Kucinich. And RP then quickly qualified his choice by saying Kucinich and he were both anti-Iraq War but they were very far apart on domestic policies. However, I'm not sure if anyone kept listening to RP's qualification ( except for devoted RP supporters like me) after they heard him pick Kucinich as being closest to him in policy positions - it was the end of the interview with a lead into a commercial break. If I were RP, I would have just said I don't see any Dem candidate that reflects my constitutionally based positions. But for RP to pick a statistical last place loser of a Dem candidate ie. Kucinich, who is also so left wing he almost falls off the charts was most unfortunate. In fact, if I were an undecided NH independent and heard RP basically aligning himself with a) a loser and b) a far left socialist - I would have been very turned off. Americans like winners generally speaking and NH itself is not a hotbed of socialism. That particular response did not help RP at all imo.
If I were Paul I would have me a bright young man as VP and announce it NOW. Someone that is known and good at public speaking and turn him lose.
#286. To: Cynicom (#278)
this post made me giggle :)
#287. To: scrapper2 (#285)
thank you for your informative post on this Scrapper But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate
who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own
and RP said Dennis Kucinich.
this one I see the opposite of you, I think Ron Paul answered that question perfectly
God I love that guy
he's so perfect in every way
Love, Palo
#288. To: Cynicom, scrapper2, ALL (#282)
usually its a stinky candidate with a great campaign team but let's be honest what matters is the candidate
we have a great candidate, but inept campaign team LOL
which is why Ron Paul will win
#289. To: scrapper2 (#285)
Dennis voted against the Patriot Act like Ron Paul Kucinich
he voted against Iraq War like Ron Paul
like Ron Paul he has voted against all the funding for the wars
and like Ron Paul he voted against Real ID
#290. To: palo verde (#287)
palo verde: thank you for your informative post on this Scrapper this one I see the opposite of you, I think Ron Paul answered that question perfectly God I love that guy he's so perfect in every way Love, Palo Maybe I'm being to overly sensitive to political perceptions that result from something that might not have much significence one way or another. RP appeals to a broad cross section of supporters. So maybe there are some supporters who think Kucinch is not so bad. However, I'm more of a paleo-conservative with a sprinkle of libertarian and consequently I projected how I would interpret RP's choice - which was to have my hair stand on end. A guy like Kucinich - a bigtime nanny statist who believes in redistribution of wealth so everyone can be equally miserable -is the absolute worst candidate in the 2 parties combined from my perspective. Kucinich stands for everything I loathe. His anti-Iraq War position is the exception but even that does not make up for all of Kucinich's negatives.
scrapper: But the part that troubled me in the Leno interview was when Jay asked RP if he were forced to vote for a Dem candidate who would he choose based on positions that were close to his own and RP said Dennis Kucinich.
#291. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#170)
I think that was possible before 9/11. Even Bush ran on no national building.
There were a number of suggestions at this site, suggesting that this nation can be saved by people actually joining the GOP party and change that abomination from within. What an abominable idea.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#292. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#170)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#293. To: buckeye, scrapper2 (#277)
I'm stunned. Indeed. I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa. I quite seriously believe that many of these Hillary voters were switchover Republicrats who believe Hillary is the most beatable in the final go round. These are the masses of voters who live and die by casting their lesser-of-two-evils vote every four years. I call them the Superbowl voters who treat politics as some kind of mindless our "team" must win at any cost woodenheads. American politics has become so full of such inanities that we face tremendous obstacles in our crusade for a return to a sane political arena. Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
And now for the bad news about the "new generation" at least in NH - a poster here said the college students in NH had picked Rudy Giuliani as their favorite GOPer in poll.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
#294. To: iconoclast (#293)
Right. It's time for a change of tactics for the RP campaign, though. What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
#295. To: palo verde, buckeye, scrapper2 (#279)
My emotions at the moment run more along the lines of giving this good man a boot in the pants or a good shaking. Droll exagerations like the Kucinich remark for the purpose of making a point (character and principle over empty establishment blah-blah) do not feed the bulldog. Niceness does not rule out combativeness. I give you Ron Reagan as example.
Ya gotta hand it to Ron Paul what a lovely gentleman he is, and how perfectly he answered that question He is the ideal combo, perfectly honest, plus perfect gentleman we really are backing a lovely man for President
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
#296. To: buckeye (#294)
Well, I still think he's sitting on the dough till the third party announcement. Having said that, no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
#297. To: buckeye, iconoclast, critter, noone222, Peppa, TwentyTwelve, who knows what evil, tom007, Dakmar, lodwick, critter, Robin, Zipporah, Fred Mertz, Itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#294)
(Buckeye) Right. It's time for a change of tactics for the RP campaign, though. What they're doing isn't working, and $20 million will burn in a few weeks if they react the wrong way we'll see what happens the only reason vote fraud in New Hampshire matters, is in how we interpret the results of the election plus actions have results, when NH voters discover their votes weren't counted when there are hard facts, we'll see what happens next I don't think we should count on the media for anything but I never did from the start fo the campaign I know this was grass-roots all the way and we will previal all my love, Palo notice that what Ron polled at in Iowa is what he got (iconoclast) Oh well, only fools thought this was going to be easy.
I posted on this thread till late at night last night
I fell asleep instant head hit pillow
and instantly I dreamt I was in a big room where everyone was wildly cheering
and jumping uo and down, because our team won the game
some sports game
but when I opened my eyes to interpret the dream it hit me in the face
"our team won!" -- it is referring to our team behind Ron Paul
if he had actually gotten 8 per cent, it would not be encouraging
but if he got 18 percent it is very encouraging
it means Ron Paul came in third
which I think is exactly what happened
which isn't that hard to find out
they can easily find out how many Meet Up members are in each town
how many people contributed money in each town
and between the two of them compile a solid list of Ron Paul voters
and compare it to the vote tally for that town
Iowa had honest election
what he polled at in New Hampshire, he got half
#298. To: palo verde (#297)
If RP's staff doesn't wake up or shake up, the money will dry up. Two months of freezing your butt off for a Keystone Cop run campaign, hardly sustains and builds further on a grassroot base. Some of which as we know, quit their jobs, to devote to RP's success. Voter fraud was a known threat already, so I am hoping some went in with open eyes. However, Ron's staff appears to be comprimised and heads must roll.
I know this was grass-roots all the way
#299. To: iconoclast, buckeye, Cynicom, christine, Peppa, Critter, who knows what evil (#293)
I perceived NH to be the same way as you, iconoclast, but we were both wrong. The demographics of the state has changed and along with it came a change in the state's politics. There are more nanny state benefit dependents than independents in NH and they all came out to vote for the candidate who will most likely continue to deliver or enhance their bennies. I found this analysis quite telling: www. cbsnews.com/stories/2...olitics/main3689566.shtml "Why Clinton Won: Women, Labor Households And Low-Income Voters Bring N.Y. Senator N.H. Victory" ...Clinton held her own among late deciders, beating back the Obama surge and winning courtesy of a significant Granite State gender gap and support from other traditional wings of the Democratic Party. The Coalitions New Hampshire women went big for Clinton, supporting her 46 percent to 34 percent for Obama. And as 57 percent of the Democratic primary electorate, women were enough to make the difference. Among men, Obama turned the tables, beating Clinton 40 percent to 29 percent. In third place, John Edwards received 19 percent of the male vote and 15 percent of women's votes. Clinton pulled together a traditional coalition of Democratic voters for this victory - labor households, voters with relatively low incomes and education, and, of course, women. Union households, which make up one-fifth of the New Hampshire Democratic primary electorate, voted for Clinton 40 percent to 31 percent for Obama. Among voters with household incomes less than $50,000 a year, Clinton beat Obama by 15 points, and by 18 points among those with no more than a high school diploma. Similarly, Clinton won the votes of self-described Democrats in this open party primary state. Among those who typically consider themselves Democrats she won 45 percent of the vote to 34 percent for Obama. For Obama, the generation of new and young voters that propelled him to victory in the Iowa caucuses last week was not there in New Hampshire. While Obama won nearly half of voters who had never voted in a primary election before, these voters made up only 19 percent of the primary electorate. And while Obama beat Clinton by 60 percent to 22 percent among the youngest voters - those 18 to 24 years old - his advantage among other voters under 40 was much slimmer than seen in Iowa. Obama did win the independent vote in New Hampshire. He beat Clinton among those considering themselves independents by 10 points - 41 to 31 percent. The rest of Obama's support base in New Hampshire came from the more elite elements of the Democratic electorate. He won the vote of those in households making more than $100,000 a year 41 percent to 36 percent for Clinton. And he won voters with advanced educational degrees by 12 points. Clinton stemmed the Obama tide in the last three days of the campaign in New Hampshire. While Clinton trailed by 15 points among voters who decided their vote sometime last week, she split the late-breaking vote with Obama- 36 percent and 37 percent respectively..." Also regarding the number of Dem vs GOP voters that turned out as a whole... from daily kos last night using CNN statistics: 280,000 people voted for Democrats, 220,000 for Republicans. In 2000, turnout looked like this: Repub.: 238,606 Democratic: 154,639 Repubs lost ~20,000 voters while Dems damn near doubled! the 280k is a Dem primary record (up from 220k in '04), the 220k down from ~238k when McCain ran in 2000.
I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa.
#300. To: palo verde, Brian S, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, lodwick, rowdee, BrentFromCanada, farmfriend (#299)
I forgot to ping you regarding the change in voter demographics in NH - definitely a gender imbalance as well as a change in socio-economic background.
#301. To: iconoclast (#293)
This reminds me of the "New Square Four" as written about by Barbara Olson in her book The Final Days. It was relative to an 11th hour pardon by Bill to deliver a win for Hillary's Senate race. I'll have to dig through it, but I believe there was a powerful precinct that voted 100% for Hillary. Also, this brings back memories of the Marc Rich money, and the shenanigans of Hugh Rodham. I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon. I remember after Olson's death, they tried to stopy Regnery from publishing her book. Checking Amazon quickly, it's out of print.
I am equally stunned by Hillary's amazing 180 over Obama. Furthermore, I'm stunned by the massive "turnout" of Democrat voters. Both occurring in a state generally considered to be more conservative than Iowa.
#302. To: Peppa (#301)
Where is she? In a love nest with Elvis?
I still don't believe Barbara made that call from the airline before the 'plane' hit the Pentagon.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
#303. To: iconoclast (#302)
Down in the Jungle Room. ;)
In a love nest with Elvis?
#304. To: Dakmar (#169)
I think you're fooling yourself if you beleve you'll get that many shots on target when it's all on the line. There are plenty of accounts of several 9mm rounds on target failing to stop assailants. The reason .45, .44, .40, 10mm are favored is that one shot puts them down. Same with a 12 gauge. But don't just take my word - check around.
#305. To: buckeye, scrapper2, Peppa, Cynicom, All (#297)
I've decided to "suck it up" about the vote fraud in New Hampshire altho New Hampshire Ron Paul voters shoould look into why their votes were not tallied Love, Palo Cynicom, I meant to ping you to my post #297 above Ditto, Scrapper, I thought I had pinged you too!
the worst thing which could happen is for the campaign to lose momentum
it is on to South Carolina now!!!!
I am looking forward to the FOX SC debate tomorrow, Ron Paul will be there
I am sorry I left you off, I thought I had put your name there
#306. To: palo verde (#305)
Good plan, Palo. www.ncsl.org/programs/leg...Pres_Primary_Calendar.htm Which says there's a primary January 15 - Michigan. Nevada is the same day as SC. How is RP polling there?
the worst thing which could happen is for the campaign to lose momentum
#307. To: all (#306)
The next time one of the NAU NWO NEOCON VAMPIRES laughs at him in a debate, I'd like RP to pick out one of them and say "What exactly is so funny?" and then lace the son of a bitch with the facts. Can RP do that? Can he play National Politics??
#308. To: Peppa (#298)
However, Ron's staff appears to be compromised and heads must roll. I'm not sure what this means? I see no evidence of that Altho if there had been honest counting of votes in NH, and Ron Paul had pulled in 18 percent and come in third I actually think he should use his big dough to assemble the best campaign staff money can buy I think it will work out OK Love, Palo
If RP's staff doesn't wake up or shake up, the money will dry up. Two months of freezing your butt off for a Keystone Cop run campaign, hardly sustains and builds further on a grassroot base. Some of which as we know, quit their jobs, to devote to RP's success. Voter fraud was a known threat already, so I am hoping some went in with open eyes. However, Ron's staff appears to be comprimised and heads must roll.
His staff is amateurish, compromised usually means working for the enemy
none of the errors of the campaign staff would have come to light
they have to do their best to be on the ball now
but that is not his way
but I too don't think people will rush to open their wallets again till they see their money spent wisely and well
#309. To: palo verde (#305)
Palo verde the funny trait of forming water-repellent soils under it. By not allowing the water to stay under it and shedding the water out to its drip line it can out compete even the annuals. I am glad you are innovative and tough as the little tree you take your nick from and it reminds me of you. ;-) Ron Paul is bring us the spring of hope, let is not dispair and lose resolve in the face of oppression and tyranny. Change must blossom if we are to survice as a Constitutional Republic.
#310. To: buckeye, palo verde (#306)
Elections '08 - Upcoming Primaries
#311. To: buckeye (#306)
Nevada is the same day as SC. How is RP polling there? I don't know Rasmussen polled Ron Paul at 14 percent, when the real number was probably 18%
Which says there's a primary January 15 - Michigan.
I just know only Rasmussen is accurate and honest
he is usually 2 points under, and then we add 2 points because he doesn't reach anyone on cellphone
and so many Ron Paul supporters are under 30 and on cellphone
Love, Palo
#312. To: Ferret Mike (#309)
Ron Paul is bring us the spring of hope, let is not dispair and lose resolve in the face of oppression and tyranny. You are absolutely wonderful thank you, Mike
I am glad you are innovative and tough as the little tree you take your nick from and it reminds me of you. ;-)
Change must blossom if we are to survice as a Constitutional Republic.
I love you
Palo
#313. To: iconoclast (#296)
money won't make up for it no amount amount money is going to make up for an unfocused and mile wide message and a team of strategists an inch deep.
but we do have an extraordinary candidate
anyone who hears Ron Paul would be instantly converted, if they love liberty, peace and abundance
which are natural things to love
lol having truth on our side is no small potatoes :)
Love, Palo
#314. To: scrapper2 (#300)
Sigh, women always seem to vote for the one they think is going to take care of them and everyone else. Sad.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#315. To: lodwick (#78)
I actually OWN a Winchester 97 Black Diamond Trap, and that damn thing has chewed up my hand (bolt retracting when you chamber a round) more than I care to think about. That's why Winchester came out with the model 12.
(pump - especially the Win '97)
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
#316. To: buckeye, ALL (#313)
Rasmussen had Ron Paul polling 8 per cent in Iowa but as I said the stupidest thing we can do is derail the whole campaign over vote fraud in New Hampshire
He got 10 per cent of the vote
we just have to decide how we will intelligently deal with vote fraud in the future
Love, Palo
#317. To: Dakmar (#90)
ruh? Anyone bigger than Dennis Kucinich can fire one with little discomfort. Ya gotta make sure that the butt is *firm* up against your shoulder, though. I'm not a big guy (5-10, 145#), but I handle one fine. Failing that, you could always go with a 20 ga.
I fired one of those when I was 18 or 19, honestly thought it broke my collarbone for about the next week.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
#318. To: Indrid Cold (#315)
Back when, my Browning Challenger taught me about the correct positioning of my hands when rounds were being chambered - I can still see the scar on the top of my thumb 40+ years later.
I actually OWN a Winchester 97 Black Diamond Trap, and that damn thing has chewed up my hand (bolt retracting when you chamber a round) more than I care to think about. That's why Winchester came out with the model 12.
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#319. To: palo verde (#316)
Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
#320. To: buckeye (#306)
I hope Ron does well in South Carolina, that would mean a lot! Eventually it will be on YouTube everything he says Thanks a million Fingers crossed and prayers in for the debate and for the Primary
That debate on FOX tomorrow is important debate
I will be praying hard for Ron Paul all thru it, so be prepared to give me objective report when debate is over
I will go right on the thread about it here
I love it that he behaves like a gentleman, it does him credit
So I am not concerned if the others are aggressive, and he is not
Also since immigration is not an issue for me, you don't have to report to me what he says on that
I am interested in what he says about foreign policy and liberty
and about getting rid of income tax and inflation tax
I already know his positions on all these things, I just want to know what he said in debate
so all I need to know from you are a few basic impressions of what he said
just so I get the idea
Love, Palo
#321. To: palo verde (#320)
I'll watch it if I can.
so all I need to know from you are a few basic impressions of what he said
#322. To: buckeye (#319)
my sweet love, for me the Constitution and Rule of Law is my whole life of course I love the trees and the animals I am a libertarian, first last and always Love, Palo I only wrote one piece on Ron Paul, the day he announced his candidacy I posted it on LP under blogs, I will copy it here below Why Ron Paul will win the Presidency (by Palo Verde) I don't think in any past election Ron Paul could have won Love, Palo
that is what matters to me
I am doing all this to save our Constitution, and to save our country from police state
and will do anything to save them
but the Greens have taken away a lot of liberties
and I love liberty
but a compassionate libertarian
let the government lend a helping hand to those who need it
I was on LP then, and everyone on the thread said he doesn't have a chance
so I gave my reasons why he will win
I wrote it to overcome their defeatism
plus to explain the necessity of him winning
Jan 16, 2007
I don't see how in this election he can fail to win
We all know government is not working, that something is wrong
All the fights are about apportioning blame
We don't all agree on who has decent character and is mistaken
and who is deliberately responsible for the corruption
The beauty of a Ron Paul Presidency is he is the solution to the problem
he is a good man who will take our country in the right direction
I submit that the source of most of our problems is that military industrial complex now determines foreign policy in DC
and both Parties are in bed with the military industrial complex
Ron Paul, practically alone in Congress, stands up to the military industrial complex
he, practically alone, does not vote for what they want
Anyone who wants our soldiers home with their families would vote for Ron Paul
because the Dems demagogue they are against the war
but meanwhile continue to vote the funding for it
Wars continue as long as they are funded
they stop on the dime when there is no more funding
Anyone who wants no more wars started for frivolous reasons
would vote for Ron Paul
He is a Constitutionalist
Congress would have to declare war before he would go along with it
And he would never use the Presidency as propaganda campaign for war which is not necessary
Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act
again he is almost alone in this
He claims the reason so many in Congress enthusiastically endorsed the Patriot Act is because so many in Congress
wanted for long time to take away rights and liberties from citizens
9/11 and Patriot Act was their excuse
And there may be truth to that
It was generally assumed it was heat of the moment,
which caused Congress to overwhelmingly pass the Patriot Act without reading it
but heat of the moment is over, Patriot Act is still with us
so Congress wants it
By the grace of God, the Patriot Act has not been abused to the extent it could be
but it is a dangerous law to have on the books
and should very unscrupulous people ascend to power
or get the ear of power, citizens could really be cooked
Ron Paul did the right thing to put the Constitution and the Bill of Rights first
even in the heat of the moment
he did this because he has a passion for liberty for our citizens
this is a man we want in the White House
Anyone who wants the Constitution upheld first last and always
would vote for Ron Paul
Ron Paul explains Congress serves special interests, not the interests of citizens
And this is true
It is time we have a President who serves our interests, not special interests
The military industrial establishment now owns both parties and the media
They will not allow Ron Paul to be our President
But by a miracle of God, we still have free elections
and citizens will choose Ron Paul
#323. To: buckeye, ALL (#319)
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now Love, Palo
Palo dear, have you posted commentary on why you like Ron Paul? I credit you in part with helping me discover RP's campaign because you wrote so warmly about him on TOS2. If you haven't written any sort of apologia you might consider it. Are there are any kinds of attacks on RP that you might be in a good position to deflect with a position piece? This could help Ron Paul if people find it via Google. By the way, are you a green? If so, how do you see RP's campaign helping your cause?
I still think our thinking is solid
That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want
and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#324. To: buckeye (#319)
Your own posts are excellent I honestly can't think of anything you and I can do differently or better than what we are doing reading so many great posts, here and when I was on LP my best talent I think, is refusing to get discouraged I am not positive I am that good at finding the light, I am OK at it from what I have seen of Ron Paul posters here, on LP, and Digg is we each have our unique gift to give this is something else which makes me so sure Ron Paul will win there is so much mind power behind him no other candidate has this mind power is a very strong light Love, Palo
I rejoined LP because of reading your posts, while I lurked there
altho I did not stay that long, as you know
I read many posters here who have such constructive excellent suggestions for Ron Paul's campaign people
they have talent for that kind of thinking
I don't
I see we all have different talents for what we offer
I am always convinced the light is out there, if I search for it
altho half the time, while I am searching for it, some other poster comes on and gives the reason for it
this is helpful for me, because it encourages me
but my talent is I won't be budged, in wanting to find the light, and knowing it is there
your talent of course is your brilliance, which I am nowhere near
but I find it thrilling, plus it so filled with communication
look at the great number of citizens now, who are using their mind for Ron Paul
and I just don't think anything false can stand up to that light
#325. To: palo verde (#323)
Love, Palo Although the Huckster is a bornagainrapturenutterRINO with no conservative positions, no particular message, I can understand why he is the most attractive of the GOPer's and RP may want to pay heed - Huckabee is very personable, he is very relaxed and he has a nice sense of humor and a nice smile big dimples - I saw him interviewed by Jay Leno and by Craig Ferguson and both times Huckabee did remarkably well. I found myself smiling along whenever he made some corny small jokes before I caught myself doing so! Then I smacked my forehead - sheesh - scrapper, that's the Huckster, smarten up! Although Dr. Paul has a terrific message and a common sense constitutionally based platform, he's so tense, so tight, so wanting to do well, you can sense that he's trying hard to appear light and easy - he forces himself to make some jokes and although he's always the articulate gentleman, RP is not telegenic - Huckster is like a big cuddly puppy dog - people forget the Huckster has no message and no platform because he makes them feel so calm and relaxed and warm and fuzzy in his presence. Huckster is a lawyer by trade and also a minister so public speaking is second nature to him. But Dr. Paul, as a physician, never needed to learn the art of public speaking- his profession typically demanded that he be proficient in one on one communication skills either with his patients or in conferring with his colleagues or fellows or residents - also the language used in medicine is very linear, scientific, brief, to the point - now Dr. Paul is swimming with the sharks, most of whom are lawyers and experienced in public speaking - and he's struggling to project a relaxed persona but at the same time he wants to deliver his message in an understandable format to laymen. He's not able to use the communication style or skills or vocabulary he used in medicine - he's addressing a different public at large. Even as a Congressman, he did not face the public speaking challenges that he faces now competing as a Pres candidate in the national theatre. I think it would help alot if Dr. Paul got some intensive lessons on public speaking from a voice coach - it wouldn't take much coaching - he's a very bright guy -but nonetheless I think it could be very useful so he gains some self confidence and learns how to project light and easy and happy while he is delivering the RP message. Basically, RP needs to become more telegenic and in short order so people remember him and his message.
I just looked at Rasmussen Reports, he has Huckabee as the one the country wants of all the GOP candidates now I still think our thinking is solid That if citizens are choosing Huckabee, then Ron Paul is who they really want and Ron Paul has to get his message out to all
#326. To: scrapper2 (#325)
Scrap... I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist???
#327. To: Cynicom (#326) (Edited)
I think you are telling us Paul is not a professional schmoozing BS artist??? Sort of...ha, ha... However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn the art of schmoozing a) to get the public's attention, b) to have them like him so they let themselves be open to listening to his message and c) finally, to remember him when it's time for them to cast their ballots. He needs to reach out to the undecided, the fence sitters. RP needs to make himself as personally memorable as his platform. We only need to look at the lessons being taught re: Huckabee's popularity - he has hardly any $ and he's holding his own with candidates with huge war chests like Romney and Giuliani. Ditto for inexperienced Obama coming out of nowhere to challenge Hillary, the almost coronated Queen. Hillary is neither likeable or personable. Ditto for Romney. Both are polished but cold. Huckabee and Obama come across as "nice guys." That's what the public wants - someone they can relate to, someone who puts them at ease, someone they could invite over for Sunday pot roast and not feel pressed to have the fine china and silverware on the table.
Scrap...
#328. To: scrapper2 (#327)
scrap... Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy. Your thinking is why I suggested he pick a VP now, younger, good orator and turn him loose across the country, Napalitano comes to mind as an example. The message is the important segment not the looks and presentation of the messenger but alas that is how people vote.
However in RP's case, he isn't delivering BS - his message is good and true - but he needs to learn
#329. To: Cynicom (#328)
Cynicom - smart people are quick studies - and Dr. Paul is very very smart. I think it depends how motivated RP is to WIN. To win he absolutely needs to become a student again and be taught some new tricks - after all these years of being in a position of power first as an MD and then as a Congressman -learning the art of schmoozing from a voice coach likely a younger person with much less academic credentials than he has might take some humility and flexibility. However, if he made up his mind to submit to being coached, I'll bet it wouldn't take more than a couple of lessons in the course of a 2 week period - the lessons and a few trial runs and then corrective actions and RP would be up and away. Cyni - Hollywood takes strangers off the street with no acting experience at all - they want a new face and they give them a few lessons and turn them loose in front of cameras and build multi-million dollar films around them. RP can do it if he wants to. Waiting until RP gets a VP mate to do the telegenic delivery stuff will be way too late.
Tooooo late. Paul is near my age and it is too late. Your assessment is totally correct but Paul and his supporters will have to proceed as is. Time is now our enemy.
#330. To: scrapper2 (#329)
I do not call for waiting.. You recall on Leno the question about a running mate from the pub losers. Can you imagine Paul tomorrow morning calling a press conference and dragging out Napolitano???? Or some such known person. Sadly Paul has the usual expert slicks that always attach themselves to politicians surrounding him. Their primary message is "send money", so far they have succeeded with that but without change the tap will be turned off.
Waiting until RP gets a VP mate to do the telegenic delivery stuff will be way too late.
#331. To: lodwick (#318)
LOL. I took my concealed-carry class with a Walther PPK and got my hand chewed up quite a bit with that one, too. Now I carry a Colt Double Eagle with a nice beavertail, so no more problems.
Back when, my Browning Challenger taught me about the correct positioning of my hands when rounds were being chambered - I can still see the scar on the top of my thumb 40+ years later.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
#332. To: palo verde, buckeye, ALL (#316)
What suggestions do you have?
we just have to decide how we will intelligently deal with vote fraud in the future
#333. To: palo verde (#322)
Sad ping, true ping, angry ping.
The military industrial establishment now owns both parties and the media They will not allow Ron Paul to be our President
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#334. To: farmfriend (#314)
2nd Finish in Fifth Fails to Dim Paul’s Hopes (The New York Times)
#335. To: Cynicom (#330)
You recall on Leno the question about a running mate from the pub losers. Can you imagine Paul tomorrow morning calling a press conference and dragging out Napolitano???? Or some such known person. Sadly Paul has the usual expert slicks that always attach themselves to politicians surrounding him. Their primary message is "send money", so far they have succeeded with that but without change the tap will be turned off. I don't think a guy like Judge Napolitano or anyone who's good is going to risk his day job contract and reputation to sign on with RP at this stage of the game. Way too early. I would agree with you that ongoing calls for donations without good primary results in hand is going to get old soon. He's got to start spending $ on classy ads to up his results in the primaries and he needs to start now.
do not call for waiting..
#336. To: scrapper2 (#335)
Scrap... When Paul is the lowest man on the totem pole and forecast to lose by everyone, thinking within constrictions of the usual campaign will surely guarantee the predicted loss. If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party, he now becomes a huge problem for the republicans that have done their best to marginalize and insult him. He now becomes a force to reckon with for everyone. Perots 20 million votes could easily be Pauls 30 million and a voice in the future of this country. Personally I prefer voting for an honorable predicted loser than staying home.
Way too early.
#337. To: Cynicom, All (#336)
If RP could get 'Da Judge to commit at this stage of the campaign ( here come da judge, here come da judge, da judge is here! ) then I agree with you a special press conference convened to make the announcement re: such a quality guy on the RP ticket would pump up interest in Dr. Paul BIGTIME. Even with the Judge's committment and ok to make an announcement, I'm not sure if it would violate party protocol - remember that all these GOP candidates are still competing still for the top spot and I'm not sure if any of them has the right to haul off and make pre-emptive announcements about their VP selection while the competition is still going on. Maybe others might know if a VP announcement can be made by a candidate before the Party's Pres candidate winner is determined.
#338. To: scrapper2 (#337)
Scrap... I wrote this..." If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party,"... With regardless of party being the operative hint... Also I was using Napalitano as an example, there are others. No one knows who might come out of the woodwork. Paul owes "party" nothing, zero, nada. They have done nothing for him and in fact have done their best to destroy him. When others are shooting holes in your canoe, you need a bigger paddle.
If Paul were to pick a VP, tell everyone he is in regardless of party,
#339. To: scrapper2, Cynicom, tom007, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#325)
Hi Scrapper I still think the significant thing here, that the reason Huckabee is beating all the establishment candidates What we learn from the Huckabee success, why Rasmussen has him polling ahead of every other candidate in the country-wide poll is that voters want that message and will vote for the man who they think will deliver it The reality is, Huckabee would never deliver any change What our citizens want is what Ron Paul will bring them > It is very valuable that we have learned from this that our citizens want what Ron Paul will bring them We just have to figure out, how to bring Ron Paul to them It does not matter that Ron Paul does not have Huckabee's ease and personality We must never forget for an instant that all citizens have minds Love, Palo
I find this post and the others you wrote below it interesting and true
I would love it if the primaries came down to Ron Paul vs Huckabee
Huckabee has the personality, Ron Paul has the character and substance
A debate between them would be worthy of watching
is because of Huckabee's message
He is able to put it across, because he has the media to help him, plus his likeable personality
they have to hear Ron Paul's message and meet the man
Ron Paul's sincerity and honesty shines thru
They recognize sincerity and honesty and integrity when it is before them
#340. To: TwentyTwelve (#334)
I clicked it on, excellent article, I am going to post it now 2nd Finish in Fifth Fails to Dim Paul’s Hopes (The New York Times)
thanks 20/12
Love, Palo
#341. To: scrapper2 (#167)
Looks like I was more than a bit right way back then. Sure, Obama is going after more taxes, but look at what's going on in terms of possible "assault weapons bans". Uh huh, whatever...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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