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Title: THE CRASH IS COMING: Bush Convenes Plunge Protection Team
Source: Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma ... money/2008/01/07/ccview107.xml
Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Post Date: 2008-01-09 06:49:27 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: Going, Going, Gone
Views: 916
Comments: 60

Note: Plunge Protection Team.


What Do The "Experts" Say?


Go, Ron, Go!!


Bush convenes Plunge Protection Team

Telegraph
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
08/01/2008

Bears beware. The New Deal of 2008 is in the works. The US Treasury is about to shower households with rebate cheques to head off a full-blown slump, and save the Bush presidency. On Friday, Mr Bush convened the so-called Plunge Protection Team for its first known meeting in the Oval Office. The black arts unit - officially the President's Working Group on Financial Markets - was created after the 1987 crash.

It appears to have powers to support the markets in a crisis with a host of instruments, mostly by through buying futures contracts on the stock indexes (DOW, S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell) and key credit levers. And it has the means to fry "short" traders in the hottest of oils.

The team is led by Treasury chief Hank Paulson, ex-Goldman Sachs, a man with a nose for market psychology, and includes Fed chairman Ben Bernanke and the key exchange regulators.

Judging by a well-briefed report in the Washington Post, a mood of deep alarm has taken hold in the upper echelons of the administration. "What everyone's looking at is what is the fastest way to get money out there," said a Bush aide.

Emergency measures are now clearly on the agenda, apparently consisting of a mix of tax cuts for businesses and bungs for consumers. Fiscal action all too appropriate, regrettably.

We face a version of Keynes's "extreme liquidity preference" in the 1930s - banks are hoarding money, and the main credit arteries of the financial system remain blocked after five months.

"In terms of any stimulus package, we're considering all options," said Mr Bush. This should be interesting to watch. The president is not one for half measures. He has already shown in Iraq and on biofuels that he will pursue policies a l'outrance once he gets the bit between his teeth.

The only question is what the president can manage to push through a Democrat Congress.

The Plunge Protection Team - long kept secret - was last mobilised to calm the markets after 9/11. It then went into hibernation during the long boom.

Mr Paulson reactivated it last year, asking the staff to examine "systemic risk posed by hedge funds and derivatives, and the government's ability to respond to a financial crisis", he said.

It seems he failed to spot the immediate threat from mortgage securities and the implosion of the commercial paper market. But never mind.

The White House certainly has grounds for alarm. The global picture is darkening by the day. The Baltic Dry Index has been falling hard for seven weeks, signalling a downturn in bulk shipments. Singapore's economy contracted 3.2pc in the final quarter of last year, led by a slump in electronics and semiconductors.

The Tokyo bourse kicked off with the worst New Year slide in more than half a century as the Seven Samurai exporters buckled. The Topix is down 24pc from its peak. If Japan and Singapore are stalling, it is a fair bet that China's efforts to tighten credit are starting to bite. Asia is not going to rescue us. On the contrary.

Keep an eye on Japan, still the world's top creditor by far, with $3 trillion in net foreign assets. The Bank of Japan has been the biggest single source of liquidity for the global asset boom over the last five years. An army of investors - Japanese insurers and pension funds, housewives and hedge funds borrowing at near zero rates in Tokyo - have sprayed money across the Antipodes, South Africa, Brazil, Turkey, Iceland, Latvia, the US commercial paper market and the City of London.

The Japanese are now bringing the money home, as they always do when the cycle turns. The yen has risen 13pc against the dollar and 12pc against sterling since the summer. We are witnessing the long-feared unwind of the "carry trade", valued by BNP Paribas in all its forms at $1.4 trillion.

The US data is now relentlessly grim. Unemployment jumped from 4.7pc to 5pc - or 7.7m - in December, the biggest one-month rise since the dotcom bust and clear evidence that the housing crunch has spread to the real economy.

"At this point the debate is not about a soft land or hard landing; it is about how hard the hard landing will be," said Nouriel Roubini, professor of economics at New York University.

"Financial losses and defaults are spreading from sub-prime to near-prime and prime mortgages, to commercial real estate loans, to auto loans, credit cards and student loans, and sharply rising default rates on corporate bonds. A severe systemic financial crisis cannot be ruled out. This will be a much worse recession than the mild ones in 1990-91 and 2001," he said.

Sovereign wealth funds stand ready to rescue banks, as they have already rescued Citigroup and UBS. But as Moody's pointed out this week, the estimated $2,500bn in lost wealth from the US house price crash is more than the entire net worth of all the sovereign wealth funds in the world.

Add fresh losses as the property bubbles pop in Britain, Ireland, Australia, Spain, Greece, The Netherlands, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe, as they surely must unless central banks opt for inflation (which would annihilate bonds instead, with equal damage), and you can discount $1,500bn in further attrition.

Not even a Bush New Deal can hold back the post-bubble tide that is drawing in across the globe. What it can do is buy time. Fortunately for America - and the world - the US budget deficit is a healthy 1.2pc of GDP ($163bn). Washington has the wherewithal to fund a fiscal blitz.

Britain has no such luxury. Our deficit is 3pc of GDP at the top of the cycle. Gordon Brown has shut the Keynesian door.


CONGRESS IGNORING LOOMING FINANCIAL CATASTROPHE

The Left:

Speeches ignore impending U.S. debt disaster - No mention of fiscal gap estimated as high as $72 trillion

The Right:

Heritage Foundation President Edwin J. Feulner - National Debt Now $72 trillion


"Social Security, Medicare and other retirement benefits promised to baby boomers will drive the government into insolvency"
David M. Walker, General Accounting Office Chief - April 16, 2004, Washington Times, GAO Chief Sounds Alarm Bells On Debt.

"To put $72 trillion into perspective: On July 15, at luncheon event in the Rayburn House Office Building of the U.S. Capitol, Social Security Trustee Thomas R. Saving told an audience that Congress would have to devote "73 percent of all income taxes from now until eternity" in order to pay for the two entitlement programs. ...Referencing the former Soviet Union, he questioned whether Americans would still be willing to work under the future tax burden. Jokingly, I asked him whether it was time to move to a different country, and he said every country is facing similar demographic problems."

Brother, can you spare $65 trillion?


Walter E. Williams:

"According to several respected authorities, including the Concord Coalition (co-chaired by former Sens. Warren Rudman and Robert Kerrey), the Congressional Budget Office, U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow, and the Social Security Administration, the estimated present value of the unfunded liability of Social Security and Medicare ranges between $61 trillion and $75 trillion dollars. ..Social Security and Medicare will consume all federal revenues.


"The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest."
Benjamin Franklin

SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE
On September 30, 1941, before the same Committee, Governor Eccles was asked by Representative Patman:

"How did you get the money to buy those two billion dollars worth of Government securities in 1933?

ECCLES: We created it.

MR. PATMAN: Out of what?

ECCLES: Out of the right to issue credit money.

MR. PATMAN: And there is nothing behind it, is there, except our Government’s credit?

ECCLES: That is what our money system is. If there were no debts in our money system, there wouldn’t be any money."

On June 17, 1942, Governor Eccles was interrogated by Mr. Dewey.

ECCLES: "I mean the Federal Reserve, when it carries out an open market operation, that is, if it purchases Government securities in the 167 open market, it puts new money into the hands of the banks which creates idle deposits.

DEWEY: There are no excess reserves to use for this purpose?

ECCLES: Whenever the Federal Reserve System buys Government securities in the open market, or buys them direct from the Treasury, either one, that is what it does.

DEWEY: What are you going to use to buy them with? You are going to create credit?

ECCLES: That is all we have ever done. That is the way the Federal Reserve System operates.

The Federal Reserve System creates money. It is a bank of issue."

At the House Hearing of 1947, Mr. Kolburn asked Mr. Eccles:

"What do you mean by monetization of the public debt?

ECCLES: I mean the bank creating money by the purchase of Government securities. All is created by debt--either private or public debt.

FLETCHER: Chairman Eccles, when do you think there is a possibility of returning to a free and open market, instead of this pegged and artificially controlled financial market we now have?

ECCLES: Never. Not in your lifetime or mine."



GAO REPORT: 61% of US Corporations Paid No Taxes - 71% of Foreign-Controlled Corporations Paid No Taxes From 1996 to 2000


The Bankruptcy of The United States
Note: Congressional Record

If anybody ever tells you that government can't go bankrupt, especially in America, just hand them this:

http://www.ppic.org/c on tent/pubs/rb/RB_498MBRB.pdf


In Case Of Bankruptcy

The Washington Times
By Richard W. Rahn
Published July 27, 2006

If you knew the U.S. government was going bankrupt primarily because of spending on Social Security and Medicare, and the only solutions were the following, which one would you pick?

(1) Doubling individual and corporate income tax rates.
(2) Immediately cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits by two- thirds.
(3) Immediately cutting all federal discretionary spending (including defense) by 143 percent.
(4) Reforming Social Security and Medicare by moving from the current defined benefit plans to a program of individual investment accounts, like the current 401(k) and Medical Savings Account (MSA) plans.

Many leading economists of the political right and left have concluded the U.S. government will not be able to pay its creditors, including its current and future retirees, the full value of promised benefits, unless current policies are radically changed. (Most recently, Professor Laurence J. Kotlikoff in a paper for the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, and Lawrence A. Hunter, former chief of staff for the Joint Economic Committee in a paper for the Institute of Policy Innovation, using different models, each concluded the U.S. is on its way to bankruptcy. The above alternative solutions were taken from these papers.)

Simply, government spending, in particular Social Security and Medicare, is growing faster than real economic growth. Obviously, it is a mathematical truism that this trend cannot continue indefinitely -- and when something cannot continue forever, it will not.

When governments go bankrupt, they pay off their debts by running the printing presses, which results in high inflation and perhaps hyperinflation. Under the condition of bankruptcy/hyperinflation, everyone gets poorer, including both workers and retirees. Argentina is a good example of a country that has been going through bouts of bankruptcy. A century ago, it had the world's third- highest per capita income and was on par with the U.S. But Argentina now ranks about No. 70 in the world with a per capita income of only around $13,000 per year as contrasted with the U.S. and Ireland with per capita incomes of about $41,000 yearly.

Increasing the tax rates by the magnitude necessary would make U.S. tax rates even higher than most European nations, and lead to economic stagnation, or worse. The French, Germans and Italians are trying the high tax rate route, and it is not working. Cutting current Social Security and Medicare benefits would not be fair to those who are retired, or near retirement, and cutting other government spending by the necessary amount would not be politically acceptable.

When the AARP folks, or most Democrats and many Republicans in Congress, tell you the Social Security and Medicare problems can be solved by minor tweaks, they are either ignorant or lying. Most AARP members are at retirement age. If you look at the AARP position on Social Security and Medicare reform, you can only conclude these people don't really care about their grandchildren.

Fortunately, if Congress acts quickly, there is a relatively painless way out, which will avoid the U.S. going the way of Argentina (and France). It involves both tax and entitlement reforms. Tax reform means either moving to a sales tax or flat tax system in which taxes on capital are removed. Such reform will increase both capital and labor, thus increasing productivity growth. Entitlement reform means moving from the current pay-as-you-go defined benefit systems for Social Security and Medicare to defined contribution systems with individual retirement and medical accounts, as most private companies have been forced to do.

The transition to individual accounts will entail some transition costs that can be covered through some temporary increase in government borrowing and/or sales of government assets such as federal land (the federal government owns more than 40 percent of the land in the U.S.).

Serious and responsible people both right and left understand the national debate over the defined contribution plans should be about the size and the extent of government versus individual control. This debate is not happening -- to the necessary degree to get reform -- because most Americans still do not understand the magnitude of the problem (as shown by the polls). There is also no need to reduce the real promised benefits to current and near-retirees -- but only if Congress acts soon.

The Bush administration made a strategic mistake by failing to educate the American people to the nature and extent of the problem before launching its partial solution. Given the irresponsibility and the inability of much of the political class and media to explain the real problem and lead the country to the solution, private parties will have to do it. The only salvation is for well motivated individuals to invest the time and resources to do the necessary educational effort -- or in a few decades the U.S. will look like Argentina.

Richard W. Rahn is director general of the Center for Global Economic Growth, a project of the FreedomWorks Foundation.


"With the decline of society begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia war of all against all, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."
Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40 (3 images)

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#21. To: robin (#12)

"The talking heads said the concerns about the economy helped Hillary because the sheeple remember the Clinton years with fondness."

I bet the talking heads didn't mention the following and the sheeple have never heard of it. 8-)

$3,400,000,000,000 (Trillion) of Taxpayers' Money Is Missing

THE WAR ON WASTE - Rumsfeld Says Pentagon Can't Find 2.3 Trillion Dollars

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-09   18:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Uncle Bill (#21)

Didn't Rums announce that on Set.10, 2001?

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tom007  posted on  2008-01-09   19:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tom007 (#22)

Didn't Rums announce that on Set.10, 2001?

Yes. Late in the afternoon of September 10th. Just UNCANNY timing, wasn't it? Almost as if he had some notion that perhaps something would be happening the next day that would blow that story right off the headlines and back onto page 43...

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-01-09   19:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tom007 (#22)

Yep

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-09   19:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Uncle Bill (#24)

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#26. To: RidinShotgun (#4)

These guys will be used tomorrow.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   17:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Uncle Bill, Cynicom, iconoclast, FOH (#26)

We need Ron Paul's wisdom and like minded intellectuals right now.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   17:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Uncle Bill (#0)

The government should just declare bankruptcy and get it over with.

Kittens aren't biscuits just because a cat gives birth in an oven.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-01-21   17:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: YertleTurtle (#28)

Turtle...

That very thing has long been in government planning, long long ago. This is just posted elsewhere...

In Fiscal Year 2006, the U. S. Government spent $406 Billion of your money on interest payments* to the holders of the National Debt.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   17:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeye (#27)

"We need Ron Paul's wisdom and like minded intellectuals right now."

Absolutely, I agree.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Uncle Bill, buckeye (#30)

"We need Ron Paul's wisdom and like minded intellectuals right now."

Too late gentlemen, the horse is out of the barn, the barn is burning and there is no insurance.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   17:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: YertleTurtle (#28)

The government should just declare bankruptcy and get it over with.

True, but if spoken, they just throw you in prison.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   17:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Uncle Bill (#30)

What would Ron Paul do as President? What should Congress do?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   17:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#31)

"Too late gentlemen"

Yeah, I agree with that too. I'll still be doing whatever I can personally for Ron Paul, but it is, too late, and it has been for some time. I'm real stubborn though, and never give up. I guess it's a family curse or something.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   17:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeye (#33)

Perhaps you should pose the question this way..What would President Paul HAVE to do?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   17:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Uncle Bill (#34)

I'm real stubborn though, and never give up. I guess it's a family curse or something.

I am in to the end with Paul...The alternative is too ugly to accept.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   18:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

He's going to have more Americans asking themselves if he might just be the right candidate after tomorrow.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   18:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeye (#37)

He's going to have more Americans asking themselves if he might just be the right candidate after tomorrow.

Some of our hi flying 4um investors just may be willing to look outside of Wall St. into the real world.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   18:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeye (#33)

I believe we both have a good idea on what he would like to do. And Congress would not approve of any of it. Thus, I concluded some time ago, I would accept Ron Paul vetoing every thing those bastards did for at least one term, unless they try to impeach him, or worse, kill him. I still remember one black congressman in 1994 in the House of Representaives, during the government shutdown, screaming on the House floor: They're coming for the children, they're coming for the children, we will be in poverty everlasting if they get their way, you, I will not have a life, My God, they are coming for the children. The individual socialist trough slurpers and corporate parasites would scream like a scalded pig, but maybe Americans would begin the long process of actually becoming serious about the state of the government. But in reality, this federal government is going to collapse, and as I see it, under the current circumstances, the current culture, and the apathy and ignorance of the American people, not to mention just the scientific and mathmatical calculations of the staggering debt numbers with interest, our country, or, well, our federal government is going to collapse.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   18:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Uncle Bill (#39)

But in reality, this federal government is going to collapse, and as I see it, under the current circumstances, the current culture, and the apathy and ignorance of the American people, not to mention just the scientific and mathmatical calculations of the staggering debt numbers with interest, our country, or, well, our federal government is going to collapse.

The question is when, in chaos and blood, or long drawn out misery for the masses.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   18:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Uncle Bill (#39)

Declare the federal reserve null and void.
Link present dollars to their exact gold price.
Immediately inventory and safeguard the gold we should have, if we still have it.
Give the order to ship every troop home from every corner of the planet.
Tell OPEC and the Asians "we'll get back to you, but we will pay."
Dismantle 95% of the federal government by order.
One more thing: offer homesteading to Americans who can leave their foreclosures and hold a claim in several major regions of our national parks.

I don't know what Ron Paul would do about the home owner foreclosure crisis. Most of the solutions that others are proposing are collectivist.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   18:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Uncle Bill (#0) (Edited)

A fiat money multinational economy can destroy any relatively-smaller country's gold-standard ecomony. If there was no interest to be paid to the fed, no fed at all, for creating money, the government would simply attempt to create an infinite amount of money for whoever is running it, for whatever purpose they wish to address. Besides that, when the fed "creates" money there is an immediate cost. That cost is relative to the economies of the other nations to the extent that it cannot be shared with them through instruments such as bonds, for example, and, indirectly, instruments such as mortgage-backed securities, for example.

To re-express this in more consumer-relatable terms:

1.) Throwing out the fed is like throwing out your banker and never getting another banker, while others keep theirs.

2.) Throwing out a fiat money system is like refusing to ask anyone for a loan to buy a house, ever.

That's the way I see it at the moment, anyway.

nobody  posted on  2008-01-21   18:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#40)

I think it will come suddenly. I was teaching some young adults recently about the tragedy of debt, and the opposite of how saving can be the wonder of the world. I just wanted to peak their interest, not give them some drawn out lengthy explanation. I used an old illustration that I have used many, many times. They were excited to see it. At first they didn't believe it. They looked at it, and looked at it, and looked at it. One young lady came up to me afterwards and said: thank you so much for sharing that, I will never forget it. That was personally rewarding to me. The illustration was if you were given a choice to receive one million dollars in one month or a penny doubled every day for 30 days, which one would you choose? Most folks always want the million dollars without a thought.

Day 1: $.01
Day 2: $.02
Day 3: $.04
Day 4: $.08
Day 5: $.16
Day 6: $.32
Day 7: $.64
Day 8: $1.28
Day 9: $2.56
Day 10: $5.12
Day 11: $10.24
Day 12: $20.48
Day 13: $40.96
Day 14: $81.92
Day 15: $163.84
Day 16: $327.68
Day 17: $655.36
Day 18: $1,310.72
Day 19: $2,621.44
Day 20: $5,242.88
Day 21: $10,485.76
Day 22: $20,971.52
Day 23: $41,943.04
Day 24: $83,386.08
Day 25: $167,772.16
Day 26: $335,544.32
Day 27: $671,088.64
Day 28: $1,342,177.28
Day 29: $2,684,354.56
Day 30: $5,368,709.12

I only point this out to give an idea what interest and compounding interest on the debt is doing to our country right now. It's all over. The Grace Commission in 1984 said that 100% of all dollars that the federal government steals from us in the wretched form of the income tax goes solely to pay the interest on the debt. That means EVERY government program has been running on BORROWED money.

God bless, UB.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   18:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Uncle Bill (#43)

Thanks for the graph.

With $406 billion paid in interest in 2006, think what that would have accomplished if spent in this country.

This Congress keeps borrowing money to finance a foreign war that Americans do not want and yet these same Americans vote for the war mongers. Something is wrong.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   18:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeye (#41)

I agree with your post #41. What do you think of this?

How to Abolish the Federal Reserve

I'm a hard asset guy though. NO FIAT MONEY OF ANY KIND FOR ME. Read the comments after the video.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   18:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: _______ (#25)

Plunge Protection Team
"It is 2 o'clock on a hypothetical Monday afternoon, and the Dow Jones industrial average has plummeted 664 points, on top of a 847-point slide the previous week. The chairman of the New York Stock Exchange has called the White House chief of staff and asked permission to close the world's most important stock market. By law, only the president can authorize a shutdown of U.S. financial markets."

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-21   18:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeye (#41)

I don't know what Ron Paul would do about the home owner foreclosure crisis.

Me either, but here's my plan.

I'd recall as many recently (forcibly) retired flag Officers as necessary to maintain order within the military then I'd bring home the troops and tell the banks to pound sand. They've been dealing in an illusion and have benefitted immensely. They'd be lucky if I didn't send troops to impound/confiscate every asset they hold after locking them up and interrogating them "roughly" for a few days or until my investigators were satisfied all assets were known to us.(Sodium Pentathol would also be an option.)

I'd begin with a takeover of all Federal Reserve Institutions and put auditors in them, withdraw the ability to produce Federal Reserve Notes, begin withdrawing them from circulation as they're spent, replacing them with US Treasury Notes.

I'd shut down congress and hold new elections in 180 days. During that 180 days I'd bring in 1000-2000 investigators to review every congress persons accounts, search their homes, interrogate their kids, neighbors, anyone on their cell phone logs.

I'd have the population return any and all federal reserve notes in their possession and replace them with Treasury Notes on the spot without any questions or interrogation.

I'd expel all foreign diplomats, all dual citizens would again be single citizens, especially if they had been affiliated with any governmental agency.

I'd place many troops on the borders and secure them completely.

I'd lock the entire Bush family and his cabinet up, have them interrogated day and night for a few years until I decided to try them for war crimes and treason.

Man, I'd be having so much fun that I'd probably forget to sleep !

"Give us liberty and give them death" ... noone222 1-10-08

noone222  posted on  2008-01-21   18:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Uncle Bill, Sparker, angle (#45)

I agree with your post #41. What do you think of this?

How to Abolish the Federal Reserve (in 4 easy steps)

  1. Pay off all debt with debt-free US notes (USNs).
  2. Abolish the Federal Reserve and raise fractional reserves in local/regional institutions according the the amount of USNs that are deposited.
  3. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the National Banking Act of 1864.
  4. Get the US out of the IMF, the BIS, and the WB (world bank). Scrap all centralized banking affiliations.
Declare a national holiday "when Americans got their freedom back could be added to your list.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   18:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: noone222 (#47)

I'd shut down congress and hold new elections in 180 days

Can we give Congress until sundown to leave town or be shot on sight??? Please???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-21   18:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: noone222, Uncle Bill (#47)

Interesting. The thought strikes me that the bankers have a mine shaft gap.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   18:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#49)

Can we give Congress until sundown to leave town or be shot on sight??? Please???

In the interest of letting the people know that the nation is in good hands and on the mend ... just shoot the pukes on sight and leave them in D.C. (District of Cemeteries).

"Give us liberty and give them death" ... noone222 1-10-08

noone222  posted on  2008-01-21   18:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: noone222, Cynicom, Uncle Bill, lodwick (#51)

Ron Paul, is he right?.The Fed Must Go - Kill the Banks.

Another video apparently with the same activist. This time we're getting some history.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-21   20:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Uncle Bill, buckeye, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#0)

(1) Doubling individual and corporate income tax rates. (2) Immediately cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits by two- thirds. (3) Immediately cutting all federal discretionary spending (including defense) by 143 percent. (4) Reforming Social Security and Medicare by moving from the current defined benefit plans to a program of individual investment accounts, like the current 401(k) and Medical Savings Account (MSA) plans.

RP's solutions are infinitely better than these.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-22   8:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom, christine, Jethro Tull (#44)

John McCain & Miss Teen SC on Plunge Protection Team

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-25   15:32:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Uncle Bill (#54)

UB, that one is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-25   15:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Fred Mertz (#55)

Fred, check out the "The Children get it" link. Cracks me up every time.

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Brought to you by the GOP:

He said, uh, yes

The Dance of the Clown god

The Children Get it

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-01-25   15:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Uncle Bill (#56)

Yeah, that "Children get it" is a knee slapper too. I hadn't seen it until now.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-25   15:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: christine (#57)

Our $100 Trillion National Debt


Richard W. Fisher, president and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas - "Add together the unfunded liabilities from Medicare and Social Security, and it comes to $99.2 trillion"

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2008-08-07   14:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Uncle Bill (#58)

Does that include the Social Security Totalization Agreements-costs?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-07   14:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Uncle Bill (#58)

Plunge Protection Team - Mystery solved!

real-debt-elimination

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-08-07   15:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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