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What about changing your pants while driving? Is that still allowed?

What about changing your mind? What if one day you agree with your government, and the next, for whatever reason, you don't? What if you believe so deeply that the government is wrong that you say that force may be required to bring it around to the proper direction. That's all you do is say that. Should changing your mind from agreeable citizen to vociferously aggressive opponent of the government be allowed?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-12   19:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The more people realize that the Elite would never risk their Empire via an honest election the better.

Most people are unaware of the elite and their empire.

Which is why it is up to us to alert them.

Talk to those who will listen. Have a note card if you need it to keep the points simple.

Those who won't listen after a reasonable presentation ignore and move on. Some people are such cowards that they will not look - even though the reality is that their fate will be much worse if the darkness is allowed to take open and unfettered rule.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   20:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Win, lose, draw, or swindled out of it, we don't lose anything by getting ideas out on the big stage. I bet this campaign has added a million new freedom lovers to the fold. If nothing else, that may be another million militias of one.

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-12   20:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From the Middle French revolution 14th Century...

2 a: a sudden, radical, or complete change b: a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c: activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-12   20:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Accepting defeat is easy.

People forget that Perot had 20 million voters, Americans, that wanted redress.

To me to see another affirmation of say 30 million is a plus not a negative.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-12   20:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To me to see another affirmation of say 30 million is a plus not a negative

A huge plus.

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-12   20:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

From the Middle French revolution 14th Century...

2 a: a sudden, radical, or complete change b: a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c: activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation

That is basically what we have had - a slow revolution and hostile takeover by a monied elite.

In order to reclaim our freedom it may well take a revolution against the cabal which has subverted and stolen our government and our country. I am hoping that it will be a relatively bloodless one but fear it will not be. At this late hour the criminals are in essentially full control of the FedGov and many of the State Governments.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   20:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Critter...

It almost seems to me that some people not only want Paul not to be president, they are trying their best in subtle terms to keep Americans from having a choice.

That is perverse thinking and rather transparent.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-12   20:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The point isn't will "pom-poms and cheerleading" win out over "Diebold Delivers", but that it is making the point to an awful lot of people who heretofore did not take it seriously that "Diebold Delivers".

This is forcing the hand of the election rigging Plutocrats and their minions and is rubbing peoples' noses in the FACT that the U.S. National (s)Elections are rigged from the get-go - from candidate (s)Election to installment in orofice. A lot of people being woken up to the fact that they have not been getting any lubricant.

Exactly.

Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle.

Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle.

Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse.

It's toward that point, we are heading.

Whether it's survivable or not, who knows.

Peppa  posted on  2008-01-12   20:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If my reading of this law is correct, and with AE 911 being cited as being among 'violent' groups, it could happen to any of 4's more vocal pundits.

Perhaps - but I suspect that the gubment will use its new found powers per HR 1955 to go after more obvious unsympathetic targets like Storm Front and as we have just learned, 9/11 truther sites. ( ???) After the better known sites are taken down, then the gubment does not need to do anything more - the small political discussion websites will just fold spontaneously due to fear. Mission accomplished!

What I am surprised about is that talk radio has not been more alarmed about H.R. 1955 - the talk jocks make $ by stirring up the pot and regularly saying provocative things and some - like Savage and Beck - say edgey suggestions that can be construed as fomenting physical action - CAIR is probably waiting with bated breath to report Savage and Beck. FR has questionable posts ( under 1955 guidelines) on a regular basis as does LitGrnFtballs etc. Kossacks get very animated and effusive in their criticism of fedgov. Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-12   20:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?

Ever so slight on TOS2. I've raised it to the highest decibel level I could without what I would have thought were spamming.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-12   20:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I try to keep as upbeat as I can even though I can see the nightfall darkening our horizon

Hi Original Intent
I had an epiphany after watching Ron Paul so intently in the South Carolina FOX debate two nights ago
I woke up the next morning and knew he would be our President
this has had a huge effect on me, because suddenly I am no longer worried about the dark coming
and I used to see the dark so clearly and be so worried about it
it's as if such a bright light went off in my mind, I don't see the dark now
I still participate in these conversations, because it reassures me everyone sees the dark so crystal clearly
but I guess I am 100 per cent optimistic now
Love, Palo

to use your superb image
I try to keep as upbeat as I can even though I can see the nightfall darkening our horizon

I no longer (as of yesterday) see the nightfall darkening our horizon
all is bright for me now...

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Exactly.

Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle.

Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle.

Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse.

It's toward that point, we are heading.

Whether it's survivable or not, who knows.

Data insufficient at this point but we actually have a fighting chance now thanks to the likes of Alex Jones, the often unfairly maligned Church of Scientology, Patriots across the country, Judicial Watch, and others who have been fighting the good fight.

That is why Home Schooling is under such attack - the kids are not robotized by the curriculum and are actually getting an education. That should tell folks something - when a High School Graduate Mom, or Dad, can turn out a better product than a Publik Skool Systum with 10 grand per student then there is a big giveaway as to what is actually going on in the Publik Skools.

Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse.

Exactly. We all have much more in common than such trifling differences as to who our Grand Parents were or what color their skin was. Black, White, Red, and Yellow we all want that same priceless commodity - Freedom.

Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   20:32:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I no longer (as of yesterday) see the nightfall darkening our horizon all is bright for me now...

That's because we have a lot of people lighting candles - and more joining them everyday.

I am hoping that the whole fetid mess in the District of Corruption will collapse from its own rot. However, I am not counting on it and am trying to do my little part to speed that collapse.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   20:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?

I tried when I was on LP
and I got more response than I thought I would

and I saw some outcry on DIGG while I was posting there
which was heartening

and my Ron Paul Tucson Meet Up group is up in flames about it
I found out about it from them
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because we have a lot of people lighting candles - and more joining them everyday.

I am hoping that the whole fetid mess in the District of Corruption will collapse from its own rot.
However, I am not counting on it and am trying to do my little part to speed that collapse.

This is a great post
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cyni,

How would you propose RP becomes president?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-01-12   20:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(scrapper) Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?

(buckeye) Ever so slight on TOS2. I've raised it to the highest decibel level I could
without what I would have thought were spamming.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for that, buckeye
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

People actually want to help me get groceries off high shelves since I started wearing Ron Paul t-shirt. I used to have to prostrate myself to them, especially the employees.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-01-12   20:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you. Don't give up the ship.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   20:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jethro...

This is an old quote form Louis Mcfadden...A Congressman that paid with his life for speaking up...

"Our freedom did not drop down like manna from heaven. It has been fought for from the beginning of our history and the blood of men has been shed to obtain it. It is the result of centuries of resistance to the power of the executive and it has brought us equal justice, trial by jury, freedom of worship, and freedom of religious and political opinion. Democracy is far the most difficult form of government because it requires for perfect functioning the participation of everybody.

"Democracy wants constant guarding, and for us to turn to a dictatorship would be an act of consummate cowardice, of surrender, of confession that our strength and courage alike had gone.

The answer to your question lies in the second paragraph.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-12   20:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

People actually want to help me get groceries off high shelves since I started wearing Ron Paul t-shirt...

this is great news, Dak, it heartens me to hear it
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah on the CenTex BBQ. I'm there. Cocktails at noon?

At noon?

Damn...maybe some weak Bloody Marys, Mimosas, or some other 'light-weight' pops - if that's OK with you.

But whatever a guest wants down here, they get. No matter the hour.

(Like grandkids, we know that we can send'em home if things get outta hand.)

Come see us.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   20:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cyni,

With all due respect, I'm asking about the actual mechanics of placing a man like RP into the office of president. How does that get done?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-01-12   20:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.

With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening.

It IS time, Claire.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   20:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sounds great. There's nothing to be gained slipping into the NWO sober :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-01-12   20:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(Cynicom) This is an old quote form Louis Mcfadden... A Congressman that paid with his life for speaking up...

"Our freedom did not drop down like manna from heaven.
It has been fought for from the beginning of our history and the blood of men has been shed to obtain it.
It is the result of centuries of resistance to the power of the executive
and it has brought us equal justice, trial by jury, freedom of worship,
and freedom of religious and political opinion.
Democracy is far the most difficult form of government
because it requires for perfect functioning the participation of everybody.

"Democracy wants constant guarding,
and for us to turn to a dictatorship would be an act of consummate cowardice, of surrender,
of confession that our strength and courage alike had gone."

WOW Cynicom, thank you for posting that
it is great
I never heard that quote before, and it is TRUE
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a brave person, if you are all that you say you are.

Like most honest posters here, PV is just that.

What you see is the truth, as we know it.

We may, or may not, be correct, but what you read is the truth as we see it.

You can't ask for any more than that.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   20:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We may be carpooling to cen tx if things get any worse. lol

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-12   20:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(buckeye) With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.

(Original Intent) With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening.

(lodwick) It IS time, Claire.

it would take a totally honest judge, and a totally courageous one
I don't think we have any who meet that bill
I hope and pray I am wrong
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   20:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is great news, Dak, it heartens me to hear it

To be honest a few of my local retailers became weary of me knocking stuff off shelves with my reacher stick. I always catch it, but my improvised sound effects sometimes put other patrons ill at ease.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-01-12   20:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Win, lose, draw, or swindled out of it, we don't lose anything by getting ideas out on the big stage. I bet this campaign has added a million new freedom lovers to the fold. If nothing else, that may be another million militias of one.

Great observation - this would be the best outcome of all.

Thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   21:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Get done???

It wont get done because too many people chose to sit on the sideline and do nothing.

I and 20 million other "Americans" exercised our right of choice and voted for Perot. I certainly voted with no illusions about Perot being President. Likewise I do not labor with any illusions about Paul.

Why do I not have illusions about Paul??? There are more voters than there are caring "Americans". With that in mind I resent others doing their best to prevent me and others from having a choice.

The indoctrination of the masses by the system is working quite well as evidenced in NH voting for war mongers, and the persistent cry "Paul cant win".

I prefer supporting and voting for a guaranteed American loser than a programmed candidate of the ruling elite.

Asking how Paul can be elected is a waste of time, he will never be president, therefore the question is moot.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-12   21:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle.

Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle.

Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse.

It's toward that point, we are heading.

Whether it's survivable or not, who knows.

Whether we live to see it, who knows?

Great post - thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   21:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Congressman McFadden was a Patriot in the true sense of the word - one who loves his country (as opposed to the government worshipping buffoons at Gulag Republic) - as was Smedley Butler. They, among others, tried to alert the country early on as to the tyranny being installed but their warnings were not heeded and now we are left a desperate fight. If people do not think the fight desperate it is not because it is not but because they do not fully comprehend what we are facing - a virtual hell on earth with mind controlled serfs lorded over by a psychotically sick elite, and that is sugar coating it.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   21:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.

Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it.

The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-12   21:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is Ron Paul the Louis McFadden of our day?

Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) served on the House Banking Committee, and is currently on the Joint Economic Committee and the Committee on Financial Services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul

Congressman Louis T. McFadden (R-PA) (1876-1936) was a Chairman of the United States House Committee on Banking and Currency (1920-31).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_mcfad...

They both criticized the Federal Reserve, and they are both proponents of the gold standard.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-12   21:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.

Yet ruthless. Can anyone spare a ruth?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-01-12   21:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.

Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it.

The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.

I got that.

Still, we have to try because every now and then one wakes up enough from their stupor to actually notice the real world.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-12   21:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

(buckeye) You are a brave person, if you are all that you say you are.

(lodwick) Like most honest posters here, PV is just that.

What you see is the truth, as we know it.

We may, or may not, be correct, but what you read is the truth as we see it.

You can't ask for any more than that.

thank you my beloved friend, Jim

I have been brave in my personal life
I didn't enjoy it
it meant being scared to death, but acting as if I wasn't
I think that period of my life is now over
I look forward to not having to demonstrate that kind of bravery again
altho I'm not sorry I went thru it, how else do we discover our strength

if I am called upon for bravery for political stuff now, I will
but I am happy just posting my truth on internet, that brings me total joy
Love, Palo

buckeye, stuff I did in my early 20s politically required no bravery for me then
lol I was 22 years old, I found it thrilling exciting and fun...
that is what 22 is!

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-12   21:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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