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Congressman Louis T. McFadden (R-PA) (1876-1936) was a Chairman of the United States House Committee on Banking and Currency (1920-31).
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Title: Carl Cameron to Ron Paul: Are you "electable?" "Are you really a Republican?" Paul: Yes you stupid ass.
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Keep the fire burning, Ron. Carl - you clueless nitwit.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Cameron was the most despicable part of the so called debate. The question itself was offensive but his tone and manner made it abhorrent.
That was beautiful. Is that the segment Fox edited out later? No wonder. Stick to your earlier reporting Cameron: Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! That's the one. People keep putting it up on YouTube; FOX keeps yanking it down.
Good, let's keep them busy. They weren't able to dispose of the Israeli spy ring videos either, but they sure tried.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Carl must have received a FAT pay raise...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11. The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1) Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) "They were like happy, you know ... They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3) [T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6) "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Actually Paul isn't a Republican given what has happened to the party over the past 20-30 years, so the question was somewhat appropriate. Why RP stays among that mix of gay internationalists is the real question.
Probably because if he wasn't running for their presidential nomination, he would not get a nano second of air time.
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Or, as Chevy Chase might have said: Carl, you ignorant slut...
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
nice website, thanks for the link
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I’ve heard that argument before and I’m weary of it. RP looked like a skunk at a picnic the other night and sometimes the right thing to do is stand on principle, especially given his less than sterling start.
jasoncin The Daily Paul January 11th, 2008 We just go back from the straw poll in Scottsdale Arizona! The vote total was 515 votes. 414 went to Ron Paul 80%!! 64 for McCain 12%, 13 votes for Romney, Giuliani 7, Fred Thompson 6, Huckabee 1, and Hunter 3. My Husband, and I watched the ballot box all night. Suddenly, a group of McCain supporters took the box to count the votes without anyone noticing but us! My Husband John followed them. They went to a corner to count the votes and John jumped in to help count. They informed him that they did not need his help. He pushed his way into the group and let them know that he too would be assisting with the counting. They chose reluctantly not to argue! My husband is a cowboy and was not taking no for an answer. The pile of votes for Ron Paul was so high, that the pile kept falling over onto the John McCain pile. Of course no one was going to recount them but John. He had to keep grabing the McCain pile to separate all the Ron Paul votes from it! It was obvious that they did not intend for him to be there helping! Thank goodness he was there. We need to take matters into our own hands now and then. We had a huge room of Ron Paul supporters tonight. It was a wonderful crowd to be around. But with all of us there, no one else jumped in to assist with counting. This needs to be done at all futures straw polls. They are very sneaky! Ron could have lost a lot of votes tonight.
"Give us liberty and give them death" ... Doug Scheidt 1-10-08
And that was just the straw poll.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I do wish you'd be a bit more optimistic. There is nothing lost by playing the game for a while and getting some form of message out there. Though he denies it all the time, if a GOP nod seems hopeless after super tuesday, and if his war chest is still pretty full, I think he will run as a Libertarian again.
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As is said in the stockyards, "It's coming down to cutting time." Either we clean it up now, or there will be blood in the streets. No one here is going to be frog-marched off to the camps.
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Realism keeps getting in the way, for me at least. The game is rigged and his
effort has unfolded exactly as I knew it would. I've been a good boy until now
with a self exile, but I'm back and I'm goingto speak my piece. The bozo
filter is alive and well for anyone who doesn't like what I'm saying. When you
can show me where pom poms and cheerleading can trump Diebold machines I’ll be
happy to join the squad.
The frog needs to be boiled until electronic ID cards are standard, all firearms have been registered, and more waves of unassimilated immigration have been completed. The economy will need to be wreaked, possibly more than one more time, as well. This should be happening in due time, but we're not there yet. Someone in the Ron Paul campaign now could still run for President later. Hopefully many of his followers will consider running for Congress, the Senate, and local posts as well. There is still hope.
Hey - good to see someone in even a pisser mood than I. Get down here and let's throw something good on the grill.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution As has been said, "As long as there's life, there's hope." And that keeps me going with what we're doing. The Fat Lady has not opened her yap, yet...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Now is the time to speak up with clarity, as you have. Later it will be against the law to say that the government is out of control.
No one here is going to be frog-marched off to the camps. You know they passed and Bush signed that Veterans Disarmament Act. It's horrendous and disqualifies many from legal firearms ownership. Even a "restraining order" having been filed is a disqualifier. What nonsense ... millions of restraining orders are filed where no one has even said boo. The blood in the streets days are just over the horizon.
"Give us liberty and give them death" ... Doug Scheidt 1-10-08
hey! i resemble that remark! ;)
He wiped the floor with that stupid ass.
Live free or die.
I don't mind Carl asked that, because Ron's answer was brilliant
I'll wager he had the crap kicked outta him a time or two. Sure would like to have seen that.
Live free or die.
LOL is that your idea of enthusiasm :) Ron Paul's Presidency is inevitable Ron will Preside over the United States of America this time next year
Dennis Kucinich has begun recount process in New Hampshire! "You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
There is hope with or without Ron Paul. Liberty the idea is eternal, and public recognition of our situation (loss of value and respect for freedom) is growing.
Your realism is needed.
Live free or die.
Now is the time to speak up with clarity, as you have. Later it will be against the law to say that the government is out of control. lol it goes withut saying without Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year
I sure had a spell of it today.
Live free or die.
Not necessarily. Also, putting Ron Paul in the White house does not ensure our freedom, either.
Let's see how many votes Hillary really received.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Liberty the idea is eternal, and public recognition of our situation (loss of value and respect for freedom) is growing. with Ron Paul as our president this time next year we are safe happily for me I know Ron will be our President in '09
Our liberties are never safe.
If they find fraud I hope they trace it back to Hitlery and MacBrainless.
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
They probably have a couple fall guys already in place.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Well, I'm headed off to get a pie and spread some RP business cards and WakeUp's DVD's to the masses. Chatting up the order-taker on the phone, who is too young to vote, she told me that if she could vote, she'd probably vote for the hill... We have lots of work to do, my friends, lots of work.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Indeed. Thank you!
I'm pinging angle because he expressed doubt when I wrote that they are panicking now. Before it's over they'll be asking, "Congressman Paul, isn't it true that you became a gynecologist because of your unnatural sexual appetites? Or, was it because there is no specialty for little boys' asses?" And, no matter how many dirty curves they throw, Paul answers and kicks their asses! I'm sure Cameron is sorry he got stuck with that question. He looks like a horse's ass now....
(buckeye) Not necessarily. Also, putting Ron Paul in the White house does not ensure our freedom, either. honey, I think it'll be police state if we don't get Ron Paul in our White House next year so I guess I stick with what I said altho fine you see it differently it will probably follow the course it is taking in UK also I notice they no longer can have political demonstrations in UK I don't want to alarm anyone because I know President Ron Paul will be in Office, and he will veto all these bills here
Get down here and let's throw something good on the grill. I'm screaming pissed. We're both old enough to know the bastards have stolen our country and replaced it with a chip of the NAU. Anger is the appropriate reaction to globalism, and political parties who harbor it. That said, RP is a fine man terribly miscast as a leader of what might be a movement. We need a red in the face, desk pounding, street fighter to lead us villagers. We’ll supply the torches. Yeah on the CenTex BBQ. I'm there. Cocktails at noon?
I just don't see how we can continue down police state track with President Paul in Office maybe I'm wrong about this, and those who are determined on police state will find a way to get around President Paul Love, Palo
Obama supporters are contributing money for a recount too, of the Dem Primary there
I think we already have the strong beginnings of that with militarized and federally-coordinated local police forces — and the unconstitutional laws and EOs that have been imposed over the past six years. I notice their posters can still say what they want on net [in the UK] Not so. BNP activist Nick Griffin in the UK was charged with inciting hatred for speaking out against Islamics in the UK. The BBC caught him on video at a fairly private dinner making the remarks and he was dealing with the UK court system for a long time. If he had published those remarks online, the problem would have been magnified by the more public nature of his words. Our situation is already becoming similar to the UK's in that respect because it is so risky to speak out about politically incorrect issues now. With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
I didn't know that, got a link?
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
The point isn't will "pom-poms and cheerleading" win out over "Diebold Delivers", but that it is making the point to an awful lot of people who heretofore did not take it seriously that "Diebold Delivers". This is forcing the hand of the election rigging Plutocrats and their minions and is rubbing peoples' noses in the FACT that the U.S. National (s)Elections are rigged from the get-go - from candidate (s)Election to installment in orofice. A lot of people being woken up to the fact that they have not been getting any lubricant.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
(Helen forwarded this to me HI ANNIE THOUGHT YOU'D FIND THIS INTERESTINg here is forwarded email from Wendy Guys, I felt IMMEDIATELY that something was wrong with the disparity between all the polls, exit polls and actual numbers re: Obama and Clinton. This website, I hope it is this one, had about 100 posts from really smart people re: numbers and Diebold machines. I found out about this so called loss when I was out last night. Instantly I recalled two friends, Ken A. and Juan C. who lived with Dean in NH during THAT primary. Well, they both claimed that something was seriously askew back then. Apparently, nothing has changed. If you can read all the comments you'lll see that this isn't only pro-Obama people who find last nights' results crazy but all who care about voting rights. I beg you to read at this site. I just donated money, a little, for these guys to get to NH and dig. Because there is still time to make an internet inquiry, or rather for Internet bloggers to get to NH so that they can get the truth. They need to be very smart about how Diebold works, and who might have hacked it, the consensus is the Repugs and since you are the names on the top of my head, please pass this along to anyone who won't think we are conspiracy nuts, but are dealing with something quite obvious: That in the entire process last night, all the polls were right EXCEPT the Obama Hillary poll which is fishy as hell. And how all the HAND counted votes tallied with polls but the majority of Diebold did not. If you are FOR hillary this is just as important if in a different way: if someone with a bias has control of the 81% of machines then there is no democratic election possible. Also, remember Iowa, where voting is more than open, you are seen as you vote in caucuses? Well, that came out according to polls. I personally cannot believe we still have Diebold machines at all. That's it. This isn't sour grapes, this was my absolute first and stunned thought. Wendy Thought you might be interested in this article from The BRAD BLOG! Check out 'NH Primary: Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results Announced for Clinton/Obama' at: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530 so waddya think, Itisalmost too late
(buckey) Not so. BNP activist Nick Griffin in the UK was charged with inciting hatred for speaking out against Islamics in the UK. The BBC caught him on video at a fairly private dinner making the remarks and he was dealing with the UK court system for a long time. If he had published those remarks online, the problem would have been magnified by the more public nature of his words. Our situation is already becoming similar to the UK's in that respect because it is so risky to speak out about politically incorrect issues now. With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted. you are awesome
With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening. After it is thrown out she should be Horse Whipped, and then put naked in Stocks in the Public Square - in the middle of winter for her lascivious assault upon Lady Liberty. And you can bet that one of the prime targets of that law WAS, without a doubt, forums such as this and alternative talk radio such as Alex Jones.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You are a remarkable woman. I know you understand that I do not agree with Nick Griffin in total, but rather I speak up for his right to say what he believes, even if he hates others. The right to speak up and warn one another of threats, cultural, political, legal, and so forth — is essential for liberty to be protected.. HR 1955 makes it illegal to say that the government is no longer legally viable, because that implies that force would be required to make it accountable again. If I do not defend Nick Griffin, who will defend me? Who will defend you? I thank you, Palo. You are a brave person, if you are all that you say you are.
To that end, RP has moved the ball down the field. The more people realize that the Elite would never risk their Empire via an honest election the better.
(Original Intent) With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, After it is thrown out she should be Horse Whipped, and then put naked in Stocks in the Public Square - in the middle of winter for her lascivious assault upon Lady Liberty. O buckeye, I cry reading that, because you are right Orignal Intent, thank you for your response to it
If my reading of this law is correct, and with AE 911 being cited as being among 'violent' groups, it could happen to any of 4's more vocal pundits.
(Original Intent) With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, between you boys you have stated the whole truth
Exactly. By building enough steam, and enough of an organization, he has forced them virtually out into the open to where the election stealing operations are in nearly plain view. The faster people realize that the government they have is not one of their choosing, and that it is run by a criminal elite, the better the chance we have of heading off the complete tyranny that they are rushing full speed ahead up our collective, uh, umm, streets. Yeah, that's what I meant "Streets".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
What about changing your pants while driving? Is that still allowed?
I also appreciate you for speaking up about this before it passes. I don't agree with all the "truther" conclusions, but I respect their right to pursue, publish, and defend any material they believe is useful to the public. Anyone who objects to that quest is on par with the persecutors of Galileo.
You are welcome Palo. I try to keep as upbeat as I can even though I can see the nightfall darkening our horizon. I pray that enough people are woken up to forestall the 1984 tyranny that Bush and his Masters have planned for us. Even so I fear many many people are going to die horrible deaths before this is through.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Most people are unaware of the elite and their empire.
Live free or die.
No doubt our criminal elite wants to institute such. However, more likely they will use it as a pretext to simply shut down political forums such as this, and then go after the more active among us.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The right to speak up and warn one another of threats, cultural, political, legal, and so forth — HR 1955 makes it illegal to say that the government is no longer legally viable, because that implies that force would be required to make it accountable again. If I do not defend Nick Griffin, who will defend me? Who will defend you? I agree with you, good post, your are right I love freedom of speech for all Love, Palo
What about changing your mind? What if one day you agree with your government, and the next, for whatever reason, you don't? What if you believe so deeply that the government is wrong that you say that force may be required to bring it around to the proper direction. That's all you do is say that. Should changing your mind from agreeable citizen to vociferously aggressive opponent of the government be allowed?
Most people are unaware of the elite and their empire. Which is why it is up to us to alert them. Talk to those who will listen. Have a note card if you need it to keep the points simple. Those who won't listen after a reasonable presentation ignore and move on. Some people are such cowards that they will not look - even though the reality is that their fate will be much worse if the darkness is allowed to take open and unfettered rule.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Win, lose, draw, or swindled out of it, we don't lose anything by getting ideas out on the big stage. I bet this campaign has added a million new freedom lovers to the fold. If nothing else, that may be another million militias of one.
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From the Middle French revolution 14th Century... 2 a: a sudden, radical, or complete change b: a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c: activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation
Accepting defeat is easy. People forget that Perot had 20 million voters, Americans, that wanted redress. To me to see another affirmation of say 30 million is a plus not a negative.
A huge plus.
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2 a: a sudden, radical, or complete change b: a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c: activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation That is basically what we have had - a slow revolution and hostile takeover by a monied elite. In order to reclaim our freedom it may well take a revolution against the cabal which has subverted and stolen our government and our country. I am hoping that it will be a relatively bloodless one but fear it will not be. At this late hour the criminals are in essentially full control of the FedGov and many of the State Governments.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Critter... It almost seems to me that some people not only want Paul not to be president, they are trying their best in subtle terms to keep Americans from having a choice. That is perverse thinking and rather transparent.
This is forcing the hand of the election rigging Plutocrats and their minions and is rubbing peoples' noses in the FACT that the U.S. National (s)Elections are rigged from the get-go - from candidate (s)Election to installment in orofice. A lot of people being woken up to the fact that they have not been getting any lubricant. Exactly. Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle. Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle. Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse. It's toward that point, we are heading. Whether it's survivable or not, who knows.
Perhaps - but I suspect that the gubment will use its new found powers per HR 1955 to go after more obvious unsympathetic targets like Storm Front and as we have just learned, 9/11 truther sites. ( ???) After the better known sites are taken down, then the gubment does not need to do anything more - the small political discussion websites will just fold spontaneously due to fear. Mission accomplished! What I am surprised about is that talk radio has not been more alarmed about H.R. 1955 - the talk jocks make $ by stirring up the pot and regularly saying provocative things and some - like Savage and Beck - say edgey suggestions that can be construed as fomenting physical action - CAIR is probably waiting with bated breath to report Savage and Beck. FR has questionable posts ( under 1955 guidelines) on a regular basis as does LitGrnFtballs etc. Kossacks get very animated and effusive in their criticism of fedgov. Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?
Ever so slight on TOS2. I've raised it to the highest decibel level I could without what I would have thought were spamming.
Hi Original Intent to use your superb image I no longer (as of yesterday) see the nightfall darkening our horizon
Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle. Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle. Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse. It's toward that point, we are heading. Whether it's survivable or not, who knows. Data insufficient at this point but we actually have a fighting chance now thanks to the likes of Alex Jones, the often unfairly maligned Church of Scientology, Patriots across the country, Judicial Watch, and others who have been fighting the good fight. That is why Home Schooling is under such attack - the kids are not robotized by the curriculum and are actually getting an education. That should tell folks something - when a High School Graduate Mom, or Dad, can turn out a better product than a Publik Skool Systum with 10 grand per student then there is a big giveaway as to what is actually going on in the Publik Skools. Exactly. We all have much more in common than such trifling differences as to who our Grand Parents were or what color their skin was. Black, White, Red, and Yellow we all want that same priceless commodity - Freedom. Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
That's because we have a lot of people lighting candles - and more joining them everyday. I am hoping that the whole fetid mess in the District of Corruption will collapse from its own rot. However, I am not counting on it and am trying to do my little part to speed that collapse.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I tried when I was on LP and I saw some outcry on DIGG while I was posting there and my Ron Paul Tucson Meet Up group is up in flames about it
I am hoping that the whole fetid mess in the District of Corruption will collapse from its own rot. This is a great post
Cyni, How would you propose RP becomes president?
(buckeye) Ever so slight on TOS2. I've raised it to the highest decibel level I could I thank you from the bottom of my heart for that, buckeye
People actually want to help me get groceries off high shelves since I started wearing Ron Paul t-shirt. I used to have to prostrate myself to them, especially the employees.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Thank you. Don't give up the ship.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jethro... This is an old quote form Louis Mcfadden...A Congressman that paid with his life for speaking up... "Our freedom did not drop down like manna from heaven. It has been fought for from the beginning of our history and the blood of men has been shed to obtain it. It is the result of centuries of resistance to the power of the executive and it has brought us equal justice, trial by jury, freedom of worship, and freedom of religious and political opinion. Democracy is far the most difficult form of government because it requires for perfect functioning the participation of everybody. "Democracy wants constant guarding, and for us to turn to a dictatorship would be an act of consummate cowardice, of surrender, of confession that our strength and courage alike had gone. The answer to your question lies in the second paragraph.
this is great news, Dak, it heartens me to hear it
At noon? Damn...maybe some weak Bloody Marys, Mimosas, or some other 'light-weight' pops - if that's OK with you. But whatever a guest wants down here, they get. No matter the hour. (Like grandkids, we know that we can send'em home if things get outta hand.) Come see us.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Cyni, With all due respect, I'm asking about the actual mechanics of placing a man like RP into the office of president. How does that get done?
With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening. It IS time, Claire.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Sounds great. There's nothing to be gained slipping into the NWO sober :)
"Our freedom did not drop down like manna from heaven. "Democracy wants constant guarding, WOW Cynicom, thank you for posting that
Like most honest posters here, PV is just that. What you see is the truth, as we know it. We may, or may not, be correct, but what you read is the truth as we see it. You can't ask for any more than that.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution We may be carpooling to cen tx if things get any worse. lol
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(Original Intent) With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening. (lodwick) It IS time, Claire. it would take a totally honest judge, and a totally courageous one
To be honest a few of my local retailers became weary of me knocking stuff off shelves with my reacher stick. I always catch it, but my improvised sound effects sometimes put other patrons ill at ease.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Great observation - this would be the best outcome of all. Thanks.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Get done??? It wont get done because too many people chose to sit on the sideline and do nothing. I and 20 million other "Americans" exercised our right of choice and voted for Perot. I certainly voted with no illusions about Perot being President. Likewise I do not labor with any illusions about Paul. Why do I not have illusions about Paul??? There are more voters than there are caring "Americans". With that in mind I resent others doing their best to prevent me and others from having a choice. The indoctrination of the masses by the system is working quite well as evidenced in NH voting for war mongers, and the persistent cry "Paul cant win". I prefer supporting and voting for a guaranteed American loser than a programmed candidate of the ruling elite. Asking how Paul can be elected is a waste of time, he will never be president, therefore the question is moot.
Decades of dumbing down, can not be corrected in one election cycle. Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse. It's toward that point, we are heading. Whether it's survivable or not, who knows. Whether we live to see it, who knows? Great post - thanks.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Congressman McFadden was a Patriot in the true sense of the word - one who loves his country (as opposed to the government worshipping buffoons at Gulag Republic) - as was Smedley Butler. They, among others, tried to alert the country early on as to the tyranny being installed but their warnings were not heeded and now we are left a desperate fight. If people do not think the fight desperate it is not because it is not but because they do not fully comprehend what we are facing - a virtual hell on earth with mind controlled serfs lorded over by a psychotically sick elite, and that is sugar coating it.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it. The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Yet ruthless. Can anyone spare a ruth?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it. The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless. I got that. Still, we have to try because every now and then one wakes up enough from their stupor to actually notice the real world.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
(lodwick) Like most honest posters here, PV is just that. What you see is the truth, as we know it. We may, or may not, be correct, but what you read is the truth as we see it. You can't ask for any more than that. thank you my beloved friend, Jim I have been brave in my personal life if I am called upon for bravery for political stuff now, I will buckeye, stuff I did in my early 20s politically required no bravery for me then
Why God invented laser sights - let'em see a red dot before they go to hell.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Palo... The few did the bleeding and dying to found this country. The huge majority sat on the sidelines shouting "you cant win" for years. After the struggle, the majority were there to assure the soldiers that "we were with you all the time". Human nature never changes. That last para by McFadden I think is quite telling in our current era. For his warning McFadden was poisoned, shot at and fatally poisoned on the third try.
what a great post OI
Perhaps. However, the evidence is there, and has been all along, for anyone willing to look. I hope Ron Paul does not meet the same fate as Louis McFadden - the Banksters are criminals and they WILL kill, again, to maintain their money power. Thanks for the links.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Well, they were heroes; courageous men who spoke the truth.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
robin... McFadden was a banker by profession so he knew the "business" from inside out. For his warning he paid with his life.
Don't mistake me: Texas, right now sucks. Our governor is positioning himself to be right up there with the next Dim pres candidate and has been to the last Blideberg meeting, Tel Aviv, and has all the NWO blessings. The good news is that there are millions of awake, armed, and aware citizens here than anywhere else that I know of who are prepared, ready, able, and happy to help anyone of like mind who needs any help, support, succor, or shelter. Let us know.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Human nature never changes. That last para by McFadden I think is quite telling in our current era. MO< For his warning McFadden was poisoned, shot at and fatally poisoned on the third try. I am completely non violent I have no idea why UK citizens are going quietly to police state and fascism Love, Palo
Cyni, I too was a Perotista. As you'll recall 1992 was before 9/10ths of the nation voted on Diebolt machines. Now that our "votes" are tallied on vapor, the exercise has become bread and circus. Voter manipulation does exist, corporate/MSM sponsored polls do not honestly reflect the pulse of the nation and a majority of the American people aren’t bright enough to understand even a fraction of the RP message. For these reasons this election is a signed, sealed and delivered to whichever globalist has been designated. The agenda will continue unabated.
and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for it
What would we give to be 22, and scramble some eggs the next morning? Yowsha!
Join the Ron Paul Revolution lol Ruth is my middle name
And then there's that baby ruth. Won't someone please think of the children?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
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lodwick: Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it. The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless. The right wingers don't get the significance of H.R. 1955 and how it will impact THEM. They are thinking since it's Jane Harman who has sponsored the bill, it will only be applied against the Storm Fronters and the 9/11 Truthers. Wrong. This bill will allow the gubment to decide sbjectively what constitutes fomenting violence stateside. It's not even doing violence. It is POSSIBLY encouraging - as the gubment might SUBJECTIVELY judge it to be so - others to PERHAPS act with force. Their sites are big targets because continually calling Muslims bad guys and wanting them deported holus bolus could be viewed as fomenting violence against Muslim Americans. Ditto for el pee's 24/7 highly negative articles and remarks about Hispanics. Who knows where this type of "racism" could lead to, says the desk jockey bureaucrat to himself as he thinks about how to stand out to get a promotion and increased pay grade as well as unambitious run-of-the -mill civil servants who are encouraged to meet their monthly quotas for enforcing HR 1955... Talking about Dem politicians in highly derisive and controversial manners - who may very well form the next majority government - could possibly be construed as encouraging uprising and rebellion in the public square. Dems and GOPers, liberals and conservatives together must pressure their Senators to stop this Stalinist bill in its tracks. Once gubment is given power to erode constitutional rights we know gubment will not hesitate to do so across the board - gubment always needs the appearance of being fair and balanced as it applies its legal mandates.
Scrap... Congress is not the solution, they are the PROBLEM.
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
Damn...maybe some weak Bloody Marys, Mimosas, or some other 'light-weight' pops - if that's OK with you. Amateurs...
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
For some reason, I looked up Anne to see what it represented - From the Hebrew name •5;’3;–4;’8;’4;•2; (Channah) which meant "favour" or "grace". Hannah was the mother of the prophet Samuel in the Old Testament. The Latin version of this name is Anna.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Yowsha! LOL!!! I don't regret I did it tho, life is to be lived :) altho oddly enough life seems more like an adventure now, even tho I don't do anything would you really want to be 22 again, Loddy? I'll tell you simething interesting I noticed the other day and I love being high!
Cynicom: Scrap... Congress is not the solution, they are the PROBLEM. Cynicom, to stop HR 1955 there's no time to wait for white knights. We The People need to make use of Senators' powers to head off the Congressmen. It's urgent to nail this sucker bill to the post. Senators are exceedingly arrogant and protective of their powers. We need to harness the Senators' love of power and being top dogs in DC to end this bill when it comes up for a vote. Other noxious bills have been stopped because the Senate got afraid of being unemployed. We The People must roar to the Senators.
Agree - we're pussies, but I'd like to be able to walk to the bed at night, instead of knee-crawl in there. I'm doing my level best to catch up, though. Cheers.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Agreed... There are limits, when something is to be done, it will be done. Congress is but the instrument to make it legal.
wow buckeye thanks, I really appreciate that I had no idea I love what it means, a friend ps, buckeye please don't read my post to loddy about what I a slut I was in my youth I'm still a hippy, but I am a good girl!
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
It's urgent to nail this sucker bill to the post. Senators are exceedingly arrogant and protective of their powers. We need to harness the Senators' love of power and being top dogs in DC to end this bill when it comes up for a vote. Other noxious bills have been stopped because the Senate got afraid of being unemployed. We The People must roar to the Senators. I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate
This is excellent post
It is the most dangerous piece of legislation which has ever been up before our congress
You nailed it all! Perfectly!
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off? We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do.
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists, and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever, I could spread the word - so to speak. Yes, the total excitement of making new converts still appeals, but the reality of the consequences today dissuade me. I don't want any court appearances on a divorce hearing.
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"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I have no idea why UK citizens are going quietly to police state and fascism Before buying any more tables I'll be sure to check them for policy liens and glove drawers.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do. what happened last summer?
Legal immigration activists put the fear of God into congress when the President was lying about the McCain-Kennedy bill not being amnesty, and it was nearly railroaded through the Capitol. The political ground was shaken under their feet, and they knew they had reached the absolute limits that they could push with their legal anarchy. I am certain that it was this watershed moment that led to HR 1955's meteoric rise.
Damn. That is too funny for words. I will quote you on that one. Jesus. I'm still laughing. Thanks.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Just give us their names and addresses. Problem solved. Next case...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution thank you for exlaining it to me, Buckeye HR55 is vicious legislation which takes away freedom of speech talk radio does immigration 24/7 I don't know what to do except to pray for a miracle to stop it Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
LOL I love you for being in the free-love section of the Southern Baptists I was jewish new york girl, they have reputation for being "loose" LOL
To the extent that he could encourage the DOJ to get it judicially reviewed. To the extent that he could avoid prosecuting it, again with influence on the DOJ. I know immigration is not your issue, but you may find yourself curious about the coincidence of the massive activism last summer (in outcry against the loss of legal integrity in our government over the issue) and the rapid sweeping in of the HR 1955 legislation. This is why HR 1955 discusses American-born citizens. Recall that Bill Clinton tried to tie the patriot movement to Timothy McVeigh after the Murrah building attacks. The language of HR 1955 is directly related to both the Murrah building incident and last year's summer of immigration activism. The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
if anyone answers this, I will read it tomorrow sweet dreams to all of you
thank you Buckeye, for your long thoughtful answer
You say that as though the two are mutually exclusive. Which they aren't, by the way. :)
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I find it significant that a CFR member, Jane Harman, and apparently a Zionist, is somehow indirectly concerned with the Patriot movement, which concerns itself with the American identity. We do have an identity, Palo. Part of that identity is the love of the law, and the faith that it sets us free because it sets us apart from savagery, and rules over us with equal protection. Part of that identity is the English language, and the heritage it brings with us. A culture like ours, which has extended its generosity to so many, is worth preserving. We have shed blood over generations to build and preserve what we have here, and it is too precious to see it destroyed by globalism and unprincipled multiculturalism. And yet htis is what the ADL strives to do, and has in many ways succeeded in doing. HR 1955 is another brick in the wall around our freedom to preserve our American culture of freedom and sovereignty by standing up for what we believe with our freely spoken words.
It's too late to call Congressmen. It's now been forwarded to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, names of committee members here, 17 members in total, some more vulnerable than others as noted below. Those of us who are active in other political boards or political meet-up groups - whether they are of Dem or Repub persuation - need to marshall the energies of members of those groups and encourage them to call and fax and send letters of protest to their own senators as well as to the Senators on the Committee on Homeland Security. The Senate Bill is S-1959. ( mirror of HR 1955). This bill is a thought crime bill - a variation of a hate crime bill, that fell through earlier this year. The same anti-free speech Stalinists are trying to ram this through. We must stop them at the Senate level. Light up the switchboard at (202) 224-3121, and let the Senators know that they should not vote for an unconstitutional thought-crime measure like the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" S-1959. Our free speech rights are the corner stone of our fair Republic and guaranteed free speech is something that distinguishes us from all other nations. They should over turn what other Americans through history fought to defend and to preserve. Here's more on contacting Senators by snail mail ( the best!), by phone, by email and fax: www.senate.gov/pagelayout...nd_teasers/contacting.htm www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSGA Chairman: Joe Lieberman I-CT Co-Chair: Susan Collins R-Maine **** vulnerable, up for re-elect 11/08 Members: Daniel Akaka D-Hawaii Thomas Carper D-DE Thomas Coburn R-OK Norman Coleman R-MN *** vulnerable & up for re-elect 11/08 Pete Dominici R-NM **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Mary Landrieu D-LA **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Carl Levin D-MI **** vulnerable - up for re-election 11/08 Claire McCaskill D-MO Barack Obama D-IL **** vulnerable to voter concerns-Dem Pres candidate Mark Pryor D-AR **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 Ted Stevens R-AK **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Sununu R-NH **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Tester D-MT John Voinovich R-OH ( a bit vulnerable -only 44% approval as of 11/07) John Warner R-VA **** vulnerable - up for re-elect 11/08 The bill was introduced to the Senate on August 02, 2007, as Senate Bill 1959, and has been referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[7]The Bill was introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), and has been co-sponsored by Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN). From wiki regarding Media "blackout"...interesting - who says we have a "free" press?( Pravda by another name- our US media function as gubment foot soldiers)
Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Oops - I forgot to add the wiki write up about Media Blackout - you can go to the site and read it yourself but here is the specific section along with institutional Reaction: en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/US_House_Resolution_1955 Media reaction The mainsteam press as of Jan. 7, 2008 appears to have blacked out this issue: Exceptional coverage did occur in The Brattleboro Reformer ,Brattleboro VT(Jan. 4,2008, Nov. 28, 2007), Madison Capital Times. Madison, Wis. (Jan 4, 2008) and The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, UT (Oct. 28). Other exceptions are noted below: The Baltimore Sun published a opinion article by Professor Emeritus Ralph E. Shaffer and R. William Robinson, titled "Here come the thought police" Check Sun archives after Dec. 18,2007. [27] The Pioneer Press published an article by Professor Peter Erlinder, pointing out disturbing parallels to the House Un-American Activities Committee.[28] Conservative commentator Devvy Kidd writes: "Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government.... Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime.""[29] In an interview aired on Democracy Now, Academic and author Ward Churchill said: "HR 1955, as I understand it, provides a basis for subjective interpretation of dissident speech...."[13] Kamau Franklin of the Center for Constitutional Rights said that the bill "concentrates on the internet as a place where terrorist rhetoric or ideas have been coming across into the United States and to American citizens.” [30] LewRockwell.com columnist Jeff Knaebel criticizes it as an Orwellian thought crime bill specifically targeting the civilian population in the USA and defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system which the government deems to be "extremist." [31] The Hartford Advocate, noting that all of Connecticut's Representatives had voted for the bill, sought to interview one of them, but reported that none of them would comment on the record, personally or through a spokesperson, about their reasons for voting in favor. The Advocate concluded that the problem with the bill was "not that the bill threatens anything specific, but that it’s far too vague."[32] [edit] Institutional reaction The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) issued a statement saying:, "Law enforcement should focus on action, not thought. We need to worry about the people who are committing crimes rather than those who harbor beliefs that the government may consider to be extreme."[33] The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers issued a joint statement opposing the Bill: "The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers strongly urge the Senate to refuse to pass the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." Details about their objections can be read here. The Center for Constitutional Rights opposes the bill and issued this Fact Sheet. (cut and paste the following url) ccrjustice.org/learn-more...olent-radicalization-and- homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act-2007 The John Birch Society wrote in an Action Alert: "I haven't found anyone who supports this bill and contests these very negative interpretations. If there isn't anyone who can explain why it does not have these negative consequences, than your objective template is unwarranted and should be removed."[34]
Ted Stevens? Hells yes, I was wanting to call someone at random, why not a public figure? Brilliant suggestion on your part.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Thanks for the up-date. But I think it's still worth calling them - play on their party loyalty - maybe we should vary the approach a bit to the Senators you mention above, rowdee, with ( as the case may be): "I really want the Dems/Repubs to retain your seat ( or to retain/regain majority power on Capitol Hill if these are not our Senators and we are contacting them because they are members of the HS Committee) in November '08 and I must tell you that this bill is extremely important to me and to the people I work with and my fellow church goers....blah, blah... "
I'm sure they will do whatever te liar in chief wants them to do...they are party players.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Speak now while it's still legal. This is the "petitioning" part that's described in the Declaration of Independence. It's important to be sincere in the effort to lodge these complaints.
buck... This has been done as a test of Congressmen... Send in two letters asking for action for and against any current subject and then compare the two answers.
Yep - I do. These individual Senators love power not only with regards to what their state senate seat affords them but also what special powers controlling the Senate might afford them in 11/08 - either cushy Committee assignments or bare bones nothing if they are in the minority. The balance of power in the Senate shifted but a little in 2006. It could get very bad for the GOP due to dubya or it get worse for the Dems because they have not delivered. It's up in the air. I think we need to play on their love of being on the majority side and their fear of being cast into the minority.
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
There was an attempt in the second half of the 1950's to pass a bill to start a Soviet Style Psychiatric Gulag in Alaska - any person could be sent there without trial or due process if some Psychiatrist said so. It passed the House almost unanimously but then it got publicized and was stopped cold in the Senate. That CAN be done here. We just have to raise hell about it.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
HR-1955 was introduced to the House on April 19 2007 and passed on Oct 23, 2007. It was introduced to the Senate on August 2, 2007 as S-1959.
Criminals get very nervous when people start uncovering, and making public, their crimes. That is likely how the House and Senate are kept under control - Dossiers on their individual criminal actions. Which are compiled and used by even bigger criminals i.e., Lobbies, Foreign Interest Groups, Bankers, etc., ... That is one of the things about Ron Paul that scares the Banksters and other members of the Criminal Establishment - he has led a clean life and they don't have any handles on him to blackmail him into compliance. The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think it's all Internet political discussion sites and all talk radio. The Powers That Be do not want people exchanging ideas and information regarding politics at all. They only want sanitized meaningless PC pablum consumed. They want voters of all political stripes very fearful to get news anywhere but through reading and listening to and watching "approved" MSM slop.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
If I close my eyes and listen to Charlie, I swear I've had that guy in the Food For Lane County facility I work at. I am a 'hospitality' person who does ambiance control at a free meal site four days a week and a certain percentage of them try to run the show their way or play there movie. Old Charlie would be 86ed almost immediately if he showed up, and he is not the craziest tramp I've seen in the 'hood and at work. ;-)
Sorry, that's not how it works. Bills keep their numbers when they change houses. These are two separate bills, one originating in the House (HR) and one originating in the Senate (S). When you look up HR1955 it will show several versions. One is designated as HR 1955 RFS which stands for "refered to the Senate." H.R.1955 MAJOR ACTIONS: SUMMARY AS OF: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization (an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change) and homegrown terrorism (violence by a group or individual within the United States to coerce the U.S. government, the civilian population, or a segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives). Establishes within the legislative branch the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism to: (1) examine and report on facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States; and (2) build upon, bring together, and avoid unnecessary duplication of related work done by other entities toward such goal. Requires: (1) interim reports and a final report from the Commission to the President and Congress on its findings and recommendations; (2) the public availability of such reports; and (3) Commission termination 30 days after its final report. Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States to assist federal, state, local, and tribal homeland security officials, through training, education, and research, in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Requires the Secretary to: (1) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and (2) report to Congress on lessons learned from survey results. Prohibits Department of Homeland Security (DHS) efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. Directs the: (1) Secretary to ensure that activities and operations are in compliance with DHS's commitment to racial neutrality; and (2) DHS Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer to develop and implement an auditing system to ensure that compliance does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion, and to include audit results in its annual report to Congress. S.1959 SUMMARY AS OF: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Establishes within the legislative branch the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism to: (1) examine and report on facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States; (2) survey methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent such radicalization and terrorism; and (3) build upon, bring together, and avoid unnecessary duplication of related work done by other entities toward such goal. Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States to assist federal, state, local, and tribal government homeland security officials in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Requires the Secretary to ensure that activities to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
Interesting web site. I use Thomas, Library of Congress.
I think you missed an earlier post or "ignored it" ... ha ! Look up the Veteran's Disarmament Act ... Bush signed it into law and no one was aware of it.
"Give us liberty and give them death" ... noone222 1-10-08
Scrapper, thank you for posting the committee's name and membership list in plain form. I have put a hyper-linked table into this post for everyone's convenience. Obama was reportedly still undecided about this bill in December of last year. We can count on televised debate moderators not to ask him if he has made up his mind. Please contact someone on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and have your opinions heard. There is a membership link there with contact links for each senator. 4 will come under scrutiny of the committees and institutes funded by this bill, you can bet on that.
Suggestion: Post this information as its own thread.
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Contacting them about S1959 is pointless. The bill is not moving. Contact them about HR1955 if you want to make a difference. But hey, don't take the lobbyist's word for it.
That's the committee Joe Lieberman chairs. Susan Collins is the ranking member.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Lovely. buckeye has a new thread up on it. He is trying to get the title changed though.
Some of the left-wing hosts on Air America have also been complaining about this bill. John Eliot, for example.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I'm not so sure we can entrust our future to these scions of wisdom and courage.
Look up the Veteran's Disarmament Act ... Bush signed it into law and no one was aware of it. I miss a lot after 6pm...mornings are spent playing ketchup.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I don't mind, Palo. My only concern is that we be honest with America's youth today. They should understand that choices they make will determine their futures, and the futures of their country.
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, Ron Paul said this bill is aimed at internet which explains why your post is true
you are right
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great post palo, thank you for sharing
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I think it is great you kid around, Dakmar g' morning buckeye Hi Loddy
It is their business, no one else's because they live it. Amen. Being, or trying to be, the world's 'policeman' is killing our country, our military, and soon enough, most all the rest of us.) (Lightly scrambled, would be nice, thanks.)
Join the Ron Paul Revolution excellent post, Loddy
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"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Too classic for words.
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Is that the segment Fox edited out later?
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#17. To: noone222, everyone here (#14)
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#18. To: Critter (#16)
I do wish you'd be a bit more optimistic
#19. To: lodwick (#17)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#21. To: buckeye (#19)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#22. To: lodwick (#21)
#23. To: lodwick (#17)
Either we clean it up now, or there will be blood in the streets.
#24. To: lodwick (#20)
someone in even a pisser mood than I.
and that 25oz Texas Broil I just had was pretty damn good, too. hehehe
#25. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#26. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#27. To: Cynicom (#2)
but his tone and manner made it abhorrent.
#28. To: buckeye, lodiwick, all (#19)
(buckeye) There is still hope.
Love, Palo
#29. To: angle, palo (#25)
#30. To: palo verde (#28)
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
When you can show me where pom poms and cheerleading can trump Diebolt machines I’ll be happy to join the squad.
#32. To: buckeye, lodwick, ALL (#22)
(buckeye to lodwick)
freedom of speech in our country is dead
Fortunately President Ron Paul will be there
#33. To: lodwick (#20)
(Edited)
Hey - good to see someone in even a pisser mood than I.
#34. To: palo verde (#32)
without Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year freedom of speech in our country is dead
#35. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#29)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#36. To: buckeye (#30)
There is hope with or without Ron Paul.
without it we will have police state for next four years
we are at critical turning point
JMHO of course
#37. To: palo verde (#36)
#38. To: robin (#35)
#39. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#38)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#40. To: noone222, buckeye, HOUNDDAWG, wakeup, pizza lovers patriots here (#23)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#41. To: lodwick (#40)
We have lots of work to do, my friends, lots of work.
#42. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, angle (#0)
#43. To: buckeye (#34)
(Palo) without Ron Paul in our Oval Office this time next year, freedom of speech in our country is dead
and if we do, we are safe
that's what a forum is, each puts in their two cents
Love, Palo
I notice their posters can still say what they want on net
but their citizens are spied on everywhere
the new law just passed there is huge fine ($250) for talking on cellphone while driving, smoking a cig while driving,
or eating while driving
they have new technology which takes the pic, sends it instantly to cops
and bingo before you've gone ten more miles the cops have you
they also can take away your drivers license
plus cops are now licensed to shoot to kill for domesic violence or stalking
this is how it starts...
we are safe!
#44. To: lodwick, angle, pissed angry (#20)
Hey - good to see someone in even a pisser mood than I.
#45. To: buckeye (#37)
Our liberties are never safe.
not only will he veto all the bills, he can go on TV and explain it to everyone
plus he can count on everyone who voted for him to be in Oval Office
he will have the people behind him
but right at this minute it is not how I see it
#46. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#38)
If they find fraud I hope they trace it back to Hitlery and MacBrainless.
#47. To: palo verde (#43)
(Edited)
I think it'll be police state if we don't get Ron Paul in our White House next year and if we do, we are safe
#48. To: palo verde (#46)
#49. To: Jethro Tull, Critter, TwentyTwelve, Peppa, FormerLurker, Wudidiz, all (#18)
When you can show me where pom poms and cheerleading can trump Diebolt machines I’ll be happy to join the squad.
#50. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#48)
Hi my sweet friend,
my friend Helen, forwarded me the email she got from her best friend Wendy, who I gather from email is Obama supporter
this is the email, deduce from it what you think?
Love, Palo
doesn't it sound like Obama supporters want recount ?
Love, Palo
#51. To: buckeye (#47)
(Palo) I notice UK posters can still say what they want on net
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this great post
Love, Palo
#52. To: buckeye, Palo Verde (#47)
With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
#53. To: palo verde (#51)
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this great post
#54. To: Original_Intent (#49)
but that it is making the point to an awful lot of people who heretofore did not take it seriously that "Diebold Delivers".
#55. To: Original_Intent, buckeye, ALL (#52)
(buckeye) With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed,
it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right,
discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening.
what you say is true
Love, Palo
#56. To: Original_Intent (#52)
With that in place we need a test case because in an honest court, if we can find one, that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening.
#57. To: Original_Intent, buckeye, ALL (#52)
(buckeye) With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed,
it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right,
discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
that law is so patently unconstitutional that it is sickening.
thank you
Love, Palo
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#54)
To that end, RP has moved the ball down the field. The more people realize that the Elite would never risk their Empire via an honest election the better.
#59. To: palo verde (#43)
the new law just passed there is huge fine ($250) for talking on cellphone while driving, smoking a cig while driving, or eating while driving
#60. To: Original_Intent (#58)
#61. To: palo verde (#55)
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#54)
The more people realize that the Elite would never risk their Empire via an honest election the better.
#63. To: buckeye (#56)
If my reading of this law is correct, and with AE 911 being cited as being among 'violent' groups, it could happen to any of 4's more vocal pundits.
#64. To: buckeye (#53)
I know you understand that I do not agree with Nick Griffin in total,
but rather I speak up for his right to say what he believes,
even if he hates others.
is essential for liberty to be protected..
I hate no one, I love everyone, Muslims, Mexicans, Arabs, Israelis, Chinese, ALL
but sure if someone wants to shoot their mouth off, big deal
I am doing all this to elect Ron Paul our Prez in '09 so our Bill of Rights and Constitution will be saved
#65. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#59)
What about changing your pants while driving? Is that still allowed?
#66. To: angle (#62)
The more people realize that the Elite would never risk their Empire via an honest election the better.
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#68. To: Original_Intent (#66)
#69. To: Critter (#67)
#70. To: Cynicom (#69)
To me to see another affirmation of say 30 million is a plus not a negative
#71. To: Cynicom (#68)
From the Middle French revolution 14th Century...
#72. To: Critter (#70)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#49)
The point isn't will "pom-poms and cheerleading" win out over "Diebold Delivers", but that it is making the point to an awful lot of people who heretofore did not take it seriously that "Diebold Delivers".
#74. To: buckeye, Original_Dissent, ghostdogtxn, aristeides, robin (#56)
If my reading of this law is correct, and with AE 911 being cited as being among 'violent' groups, it could happen to any of 4's more vocal pundits.
#75. To: scrapper2 (#74)
Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?
#76. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#61)
I try to keep as upbeat as I can even though I can see the nightfall darkening our horizon
I had an epiphany after watching Ron Paul so intently in the South Carolina FOX debate two nights ago
I woke up the next morning and knew he would be our President
this has had a huge effect on me, because suddenly I am no longer worried about the dark coming
and I used to see the dark so clearly and be so worried about it
it's as if such a bright light went off in my mind, I don't see the dark now
I still participate in these conversations, because it reassures me everyone sees the dark so crystal clearly
but I guess I am 100 per cent optimistic now
Love, Palo
I try to keep as upbeat as I can even though I can see the nightfall darkening our horizon
all is bright for me now...
#77. To: Peppa (#73)
Exactly.
Decades of divide and conquer politics, can be corrected when people wake up en masse.
#78. To: palo verde (#76)
I no longer (as of yesterday) see the nightfall darkening our horizon all is bright for me now...
#79. To: scrapper2 (#74)
Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?
and I got more response than I thought I would
which was heartening
I found out about it from them
Love, Palo
#80. To: Original_Intent (#78)
That's because we have a lot of people lighting candles - and more joining them everyday.
However, I am not counting on it and am trying to do my little part to speed that collapse.
Love, Palo
#81. To: Cynicom (#72)
#82. To: buckeye, scrapper2 (#75)
(scrapper) Do any of you who post to other forums recall if there's been any outcry against HR 1955?
without what I would have thought were spamming.
Love, Palo
#83. To: Jethro Tull (#81)
#84. To: palo verde (#80)
#85. To: Jethro Tull (#81)
#86. To: Dakmar (#83)
People actually want to help me get groceries off high shelves since I started wearing Ron Paul t-shirt...
Love, Palo
#87. To: Jethro Tull. Texans at heart (#44)
Yeah on the CenTex BBQ. I'm there. Cocktails at noon?
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#88. To: Cynicom (#85)
#89. To: Original_Intent, palo verde, buckeye, anyone with a brain (#52)
With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#90. To: lodwick (#87)
#91. To: Cynicom (#85)
(Cynicom) This is an old quote form Louis Mcfadden... A Congressman that paid with his life for speaking up...
It has been fought for from the beginning of our history and the blood of men has been shed to obtain it.
It is the result of centuries of resistance to the power of the executive
and it has brought us equal justice, trial by jury, freedom of worship,
and freedom of religious and political opinion.
Democracy is far the most difficult form of government
because it requires for perfect functioning the participation of everybody.
and for us to turn to a dictatorship would be an act of consummate cowardice, of surrender,
of confession that our strength and courage alike had gone."
it is great
I never heard that quote before, and it is TRUE
Love, Palo
#92. To: buckeye, palo verde, all (#53)
You are a brave person, if you are all that you say you are.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#93. To: Jethro Tull, lodwick (#44)
#94. To: lodwick, ALL (#89)
(buckeye) With Jane Harman's HR 1955 nearly passed, it may soon be technically illegal for us to be having this kind of conversation right, discussing the possibility of a tyrannical police state that should be resisted.
I don't think we have any who meet that bill
I hope and pray I am wrong
Love, Palo
#95. To: palo verde (#86)
this is great news, Dak, it heartens me to hear it
#96. To: Critter, RP friends (#67)
Win, lose, draw, or swindled out of it, we don't lose anything by getting ideas out on the big stage. I bet this campaign has added a million new freedom lovers to the fold. If nothing else, that may be another million militias of one.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#97. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
#98. To: Peppa (#73)
Decades of corruption can not be undone in one election cycle.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#99. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, robin, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#85)
#100. To: Original_Intent (#77)
Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#101. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#99)
Is Ron Paul the Louis McFadden of our day?
Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) served on the House Banking Committee, and is currently on the Joint Economic Committee and the Committee on Financial Services.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#102. To: lodwick (#100)
(Edited)
The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.
#103. To: lodwick (#100)
Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.
#104. To: lodwick, buckeye, all (#92)
(buckeye) You are a brave person, if you are all that you say you are.
I didn't enjoy it
it meant being scared to death, but acting as if I wasn't
I think that period of my life is now over
I look forward to not having to demonstrate that kind of bravery again
altho I'm not sorry I went thru it, how else do we discover our strength
but I am happy just posting my truth on internet, that brings me total joy
Love, Palo
lol I was 22 years old, I found it thrilling exciting and fun...
that is what 22 is!
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#90)
Sounds great. There's nothing to be gained slipping into the NWO sober :)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#106. To: palo verde (#91)
"Our freedom did not drop down like manna from heaven.
#107. To: Original_Intent (#99)
Congressman McFadden was a Patriot in the true sense of the word - one who loves his country ... as was Smedley Butler.
They, among others, tried to alert the country early on as to the tyranny being installed
but their warnings were not heeded and now we are left a desperate fight.
If people do not think the fight desperate it is not because it is not but
because they do not fully comprehend what we are facing -
a virtual hell on earth with mind controlled serfs lorded over by a
psychotically sick elite, and that is sugar coating it.
I knew nothing about either of these two people
and now they are my heros
thank you with all my heart
Love, Palo
#108. To: robin (#101)
Is Ron Paul the Louis McFadden of our day?
#109. To: palo verde (#107)
#110. To: robin (#101)
#111. To: Critter, Jethro Tull, all (#93)
We may be carpooling to cen tx if things get any worse. lol
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#112. To: Cynicom (#106)
The few did the bleeding and dying to found this country.
The huge majority sat on the sidelines shouting "you cant win" for years.
After the struggle, the majority were there to assure the soldiers that "we were with you all the time".
I will not shoot or kill anyone
however I am not afraid to die
I would hope here in USA we would resist it non violently
I consider electing Ron Paul our President a bloodless revolution
I am absolutely committed to making it happen
and I know it will happen
#113. To: Cynicom (#97)
#114. To: Original_Intent (#109)
Well, they were heroes; courageous men who spoke the truth.
Love, Palo
#115. To: palo verde, buckeye, all (#104)
lol I was 22 years old, I found it thrilling exciting and fun... that is what 22 is!
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#116. To: Dakmar (#102)
Yet ruthless. Can anyone spare a ruth?
I wonder what ruth means?
people are called ruthless, but no one is ever called "having a lot of ruth"
#117. To: palo verde (#116)
#118. To: palo verde (#116)
#119. To: lodwick, Original_Intent, palo verde, robin, christine, tom007, rowdee (#100)
OI: Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.
#120. To: scrapper2 (#119)
Dems and GOPers, liberals and conservatives together must pressure their Senators to stop this Stalinist bill in its tracks.
#121. To: scrapper2 (#119)
#122. To: lodwick (#87)
At noon?
#123. To: buckeye, palo verde, all (#118)
Most interesting, thank you.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#124. To: lodwick (#115)
What would we give to be 22, and scramble some eggs the next morning?
I feel like it was in another lifetime
I can't even imagine sleeping with every guy I go out with now...
I've been married forever, and I married so young, and I am so happy with Bill
maybe it was because I was so confused and wild back then
what appeals to you about it? all the sleeping around we did back then?
I am higher now than I was on pot back then
#125. To: Cynicom (#120)
scrapper: Dems and GOPers, liberals and conservatives together must pressure their Senators to stop this Stalinist bill in its tracks.
#126. To: orangedog (#122)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#127. To: scrapper2 (#125)
We The People must roar to the Senators.
#128. To: buckeye (#118)
ruth=friend
Love, Palo
what could be nicer
I was just a hippie chick
I am not like that at all now
#129. To: buckeye (#121)
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
#130. To: scrapper2 (#125)
Cynicom, to stop HR 1955 there's no time to wait for white knights. We The People need to make use of Senators' powers to head off the Congressmen.
but I have no idea how??
Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous
and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
#131. To: scrapper2 (#129)
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
Love, Palo
#132. To: All (#131)
it takes away freedom of speech
#133. To: buckeye (#121)
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason.
They are reacting to us the best way they know how.
They are not afraid of Islamism.
They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
thank you
Love, Palo
#134. To: scrapper2, palo verde (#129)
We have done it before as you point out.
#135. To: palo verde (#124)
would you really want to be 22 again, Loddy? what appeals to you about it? all the sleeping around we did back then?
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#136. To: lodwick (#126)
Agree - we're pussies, but I'd like to be able to walk to the bed at night, instead of knee-crawl in there.
#137. To: palo verde (#112)
I am completely non violent
I will not shoot or kill anyone
however I am not afraid to die
I would hope here in USA we would resist it non violently
#138. To: buckeye (#134)
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off?
remember I left LP in protest of Goldi banning Pon Paul articles in early June
I did not return till Thanksgiving
#139. To: palo verde (#138)
what happened last summer?
#140. To: orangedog (#136)
"Bed" is wherever you lose consciousness.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#141. To: Dakmar, palo verde, all non-shooters here (#137)
I am completely non violent I will not shoot or kill anyone
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#142. To: buckeye, ALL (#139)
you are very kind
as you know I am not into the iummigration issue
I pray it can be stopped
whole Senate wants it
but they will never go near this one
because they are in bed with the same people who want the police state
that's why they never mention Ron Paul either
I ask this question to all
I really want to hear your answers to it
because I do not know, and I would like to know
Love, Palo
#143. To: lodwick (#135)
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists,
and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever,
I could spread the word - so to speak.
#144. To: palo verde (#142)
Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
#145. To: All (#142)
(Palo) Do you think Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
I ask this question to all
I really want to hear your answers to it
because I do not know, and I would like to know
I have thought and thought and not come up with an answer myself
which is why I appreciate any input anyone has
I love you
Palo
#146. To: buckeye (#144)
I really appreciate it!
I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate
All my love, Palo
#147. To: palo verde (#128)
I'm still a hippy, but I am a good girl!
#148. To: palo verde, Original_Intent, robin, lodwick, Critter, scrapper2, FOH, christine (#146)
I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate
#149. To: palo verde, aristeides, Brian S, lodwick, ghostdogtxn, Burkeman1, rowdee, christine, Original_Intent, farmfriend, All (#130)
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#151. To: All (#149)
#152. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#153. To: rowdee, All (#150)
(Edited)
Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
#154. To: scrapper2 (#153)
#155. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#156. To: rowdee (#155)
You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#157. To: buckeye (#156)
#158. To: rowdee (#155)
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#159. To: scrapper2 (#149)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#160. To: palo verde, scrapper2, TwentyTwelve, critter, ALL (#130)
I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate but I have no idea how?? Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
#161. To: farmfriend (#159)
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
#162. To: buckeye, Palo Verde, lodwick, scrapper2, all (#144)
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
#163. To: Original_Intent (#162)
The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
#164. To: scrapper2 (#163)
Well do you, don't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast, but don't let me break you
Tell me, tell me, tell me your answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
#165. To: palo verde (#146)
#166. To: Ferret Mike (#165)
#167. To: Dakmar (#166)
(Edited)
#168. To: scrapper2 (#161)
HR-1955 was introduced to the House on April 19 2007 and passed on Oct 23, 2007. It was introduced to the Senate on August 2, 2007 as S-1959.
Title: To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Harman, Jane [CA-36] (introduced 4/19/2007) Cosponsors (14)
Latest Major Action: 10/24/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
House Reports: 110-384 Part 1
4/19/2007 Introduced in House
10/16/2007 Reported (Amended) by the Committee on Homeland Security. H. Rept. 110-384, Part I.
10/16/2007 Committee on Judiciary discharged.
10/23/2007 Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 404 - 6 (Roll no. 993).
10/24/2007 Referred to Senate committee: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
10/16/2007--Reported to House amended, Part I. (There is 1 other summary)
Title: A bill to establish the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] (introduced 8/2/2007) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 8/2/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
8/2/2007--Introduced.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#169. To: scrapper2 (#161)
www.govtrack.us/congress/...d?tab=main&bill=h110-1955
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#170. To: lodwick (#40)
#171. To: scrapper2, christine (#149)
Democrat Republican Joseph I. Lieberman Chairman (ID) (CT) Susan M. Collins Ranking Member (ME) Carl Levin (MI) Ted Stevens (AK) Daniel K. Akaka (HI) George V. Voinovich (OH) Thomas R. Carper (DE) Norm Coleman (MN) Mark L. Pryor (AR) Tom Coburn (OK) Mary L. Landrieu (LA) Pete V. Domenici (NM) Barack Obama (IL) John Warner (VA) Claire McCaskill (MO) John E. Sununu (NH) Jon Tester (MT)
#172. To: buckeye, christine (#171)
#173. To: angle, buckeye, christine (#172)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#174. To: farmfriend (#168)
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
#175. To: aristeides (#174)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#176. To: Original_Intent (#160)
That CAN be done here. We just have to raise hell about it.
#177. To: aristeides (#174)
That's the committee Joe Lieberman chairs. Susan Collins is the ranking member.
#178. To: noone222. all (#170)
I think you missed an earlier post or "ignored it" ... ha !
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#179. To: palo verde (#128)
I am not like that at all now
#180. To: buckeye, ALL (#144)
HR1955
and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects
I think he is right
Love, Palo
#181. To: Dakmar (#147)
Love, Palo
#182. To: buckeye (#181)
...Jewish...
I used to be on Liberty Forum, which is "hate Jews all-the-time"
I didn't know that when I joined it, I discovered it almost right away tho
I thought about it and realized, "if they want to hate Jews, it's their problem, it has nothing to do with me"
and I decided to stay, they had some great posters then, with some great truth
And the posters were great to me too
(this was 5 years ago)
After that I ignore hate Jews posts, hate Muslims post, hate Mexicans post
And I give love to all posters (no matter who they hate) as long as they are friendly to me
LOL my Jewish friends are all leftists, they support the Palestinians
My husband is Catholic, he supports Israel
I love both Palestinians and Israelis, I pray for peace for both of them
Larry King is right when he warmly embraced Yassir Arafat, and said "we are cousins"
When my friend Linda Zuckerman visited over there, she came back and reported "all the Palestinians look like us"
Israelis and Palestinians are beautiful people, I hope they choose peace and work it out
Love, Palo
He realized Israel's security lay in peace.
He broached it to Arafat, who realized Palestinians' security lay in peace.
They worked long and hard on the Oslo Accords and called each other brother.
They both wanted peace with all their heart for their people.
But as always, the people choose.
And whatever choice they make they live.
I think President Ron Paul will be excellent, he will treat all with friendship and respect, and let all make their own decisions.
It is their business, no one else's because they live it
#183. To: palo verde (#182)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#184. To: Dakmar, buckeye, lodwick (#182)
...kidding around...
Love, Palo (bushbots for Ron Paul)
Love, Palo (sluts for Ron Paul)
how was your scrambled eggs :)
Love, Palo
#185. To: palo verde (#182)
I think President Ron Paul will be excellent, he will treat all with friendship and respect, and let all make their own decisions.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#186. To: lodwick (#185)
Love, Palo
#187. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#188. To: Ron took Cameron's Fast Ball Curve, change up knuckle ball and hit a GRAND Slam (#0)
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