Title: Carl Cameron to Ron Paul: Are you "electable?" "Are you really a Republican?" Paul: Yes you stupid ass. Source:
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Neo-cons are not Republicans. Ron Paul is a Republican.
The few did the bleeding and dying to found this country. The huge majority sat on the sidelines shouting "you cant win" for years. After the struggle, the majority were there to assure the soldiers that "we were with you all the time".
Human nature never changes.
That last para by McFadden I think is quite telling in our current era. MO< For his warning McFadden was poisoned, shot at and fatally poisoned on the third try.
I am completely non violent I will not shoot or kill anyone however I am not afraid to die
I have no idea why UK citizens are going quietly to police state and fascism I would hope here in USA we would resist it non violently I consider electing Ron Paul our President a bloodless revolution I am absolutely committed to making it happen and I know it will happen
I too was a Perotista. As you'll recall 1992 was before 9/10ths of the nation voted on Diebolt machines. Now that our "votes" are tallied on vapor, the exercise has become bread and circus. Voter manipulation does exist, corporate/MSM sponsored polls do not honestly reflect the pulse of the nation and a majority of the American people aren’t bright enough to understand even a fraction of the RP message. For these reasons this election is a signed, sealed and delivered to whichever globalist has been designated. The agenda will continue unabated.
And then there's that baby ruth. Won't someone please think of the children?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
OI: Now if only we can get at the dolts who listen to Rush, the Gay Pill Popping Pedophile, Scumbaugh and post at Gulag Republik to remove their craniums from the rectal cavities.
lodwick: Cross your fingers for it, hope and prayer for it, but don't even bet a nickel on it.
The twenty-percenters are freaking hopeless and clueless.
The right wingers don't get the significance of H.R. 1955 and how it will impact THEM. They are thinking since it's Jane Harman who has sponsored the bill, it will only be applied against the Storm Fronters and the 9/11 Truthers. Wrong.
This bill will allow the gubment to decide sbjectively what constitutes fomenting violence stateside. It's not even doing violence. It is POSSIBLY encouraging - as the gubment might SUBJECTIVELY judge it to be so - others to PERHAPS act with force.
Their sites are big targets because continually calling Muslims bad guys and wanting them deported holus bolus could be viewed as fomenting violence against Muslim Americans. Ditto for el pee's 24/7 highly negative articles and remarks about Hispanics. Who knows where this type of "racism" could lead to, says the desk jockey bureaucrat to himself as he thinks about how to stand out to get a promotion and increased pay grade as well as unambitious run-of-the -mill civil servants who are encouraged to meet their monthly quotas for enforcing HR 1955... Talking about Dem politicians in highly derisive and controversial manners - who may very well form the next majority government - could possibly be construed as encouraging uprising and rebellion in the public square.
Dems and GOPers, liberals and conservatives together must pressure their Senators to stop this Stalinist bill in its tracks. Once gubment is given power to erode constitutional rights we know gubment will not hesitate to do so across the board - gubment always needs the appearance of being fair and balanced as it applies its legal mandates.
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
Damn...maybe some weak Bloody Marys, Mimosas, or some other 'light-weight' pops - if that's OK with you.
Amateurs...
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
For some reason, I looked up Anne to see what it represented -
From the Hebrew name •5;’3;–4;’8;’4;•2; (Channah) which meant "favour" or "grace". Hannah was the mother of the prophet Samuel in the Old Testament. The Latin version of this name is Anna.
What would we give to be 22, and scramble some eggs the next morning?
Yowsha!
LOL!!! I feel like it was in another lifetime I can't even imagine sleeping with every guy I go out with now... I've been married forever, and I married so young, and I am so happy with Bill
I don't regret I did it tho, life is to be lived :)
altho oddly enough life seems more like an adventure now, even tho I don't do anything maybe it was because I was so confused and wild back then
would you really want to be 22 again, Loddy? what appeals to you about it? all the sleeping around we did back then?
I'll tell you simething interesting I noticed the other day I am higher now than I was on pot back then
scrapper: Dems and GOPers, liberals and conservatives together must pressure their Senators to stop this Stalinist bill in its tracks.
Cynicom: Scrap...
Congress is not the solution, they are the PROBLEM.
Cynicom, to stop HR 1955 there's no time to wait for white knights. We The People need to make use of Senators' powers to head off the Congressmen.
It's urgent to nail this sucker bill to the post. Senators are exceedingly arrogant and protective of their powers. We need to harness the Senators' love of power and being top dogs in DC to end this bill when it comes up for a vote. Other noxious bills have been stopped because the Senate got afraid of being unemployed. We The People must roar to the Senators.
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
Cynicom, to stop HR 1955 there's no time to wait for white knights. We The People need to make use of Senators' powers to head off the Congressmen.
It's urgent to nail this sucker bill to the post. Senators are exceedingly arrogant and protective of their powers. We need to harness the Senators' love of power and being top dogs in DC to end this bill when it comes up for a vote. Other noxious bills have been stopped because the Senate got afraid of being unemployed. We The People must roar to the Senators.
I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate but I have no idea how?? Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
You nailed it all! Perfectly! thank you Love, Palo
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off?
We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do.
would you really want to be 22 again, Loddy? what appeals to you about it? all the sleeping around we did back then?
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists, and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever, I could spread the word - so to speak.
Yes, the total excitement of making new converts still appeals, but the reality of the consequences today dissuade me.
I don't want any court appearances on a divorce hearing.
Agree - we're pussies, but I'd like to be able to walk to the bed at night, instead of knee-crawl in there.
"Bed" is wherever you lose consciousness.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I am completely non violent I will not shoot or kill anyone however I am not afraid to die
I have no idea why UK citizens are going quietly to police state and fascism I would hope here in USA we would resist it non violently
Before buying any more tables I'll be sure to check them for policy liens and glove drawers.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off?
We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do.
what happened last summer? remember I left LP in protest of Goldi banning Pon Paul articles in early June I did not return till Thanksgiving
Legal immigration activists put the fear of God into congress when the President was lying about the McCain-Kennedy bill not being amnesty, and it was nearly railroaded through the Capitol.
The political ground was shaken under their feet, and they knew they had reached the absolute limits that they could push with their legal anarchy.
I am certain that it was this watershed moment that led to HR 1955's meteoric rise.
thank you for exlaining it to me, Buckeye you are very kind as you know I am not into the iummigration issue
HR55 is vicious legislation which takes away freedom of speech I pray it can be stopped whole Senate wants it
talk radio does immigration 24/7 but they will never go near this one because they are in bed with the same people who want the police state that's why they never mention Ron Paul either
I don't know what to do except to pray for a miracle to stop it
Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation? I ask this question to all I really want to hear your answers to it because I do not know, and I would like to know Love, Palo
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists, and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever, I could spread the word - so to speak.
LOL I love you for being in the free-love section of the Southern Baptists
I was jewish new york girl, they have reputation for being "loose" LOL
Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
To the extent that he could encourage the DOJ to get it judicially reviewed. To the extent that he could avoid prosecuting it, again with influence on the DOJ. I know immigration is not your issue, but you may find yourself curious about the coincidence of the massive activism last summer (in outcry against the loss of legal integrity in our government over the issue) and the rapid sweeping in of the HR 1955 legislation.
This is why HR 1955 discusses American-born citizens.
Recall that Bill Clinton tried to tie the patriot movement to Timothy McVeigh after the Murrah building attacks. The language of HR 1955 is directly related to both the Murrah building incident and last year's summer of immigration activism.
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
(Palo) Do you think Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation? I ask this question to all I really want to hear your answers to it because I do not know, and I would like to know
if anyone answers this, I will read it tomorrow I have thought and thought and not come up with an answer myself which is why I appreciate any input anyone has
thank you Buckeye, for your long thoughtful answer I really appreciate it! I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate All my love, Palo
You say that as though the two are mutually exclusive.
Which they aren't, by the way. :)
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate
I find it significant that a CFR member, Jane Harman, and apparently a Zionist, is somehow indirectly concerned with the Patriot movement, which concerns itself with the American identity.
We do have an identity, Palo. Part of that identity is the love of the law, and the faith that it sets us free because it sets us apart from savagery, and rules over us with equal protection. Part of that identity is the English language, and the heritage it brings with us.
A culture like ours, which has extended its generosity to so many, is worth preserving. We have shed blood over generations to build and preserve what we have here, and it is too precious to see it destroyed by globalism and unprincipled multiculturalism. And yet htis is what the ADL strives to do, and has in many ways succeeded in doing.
HR 1955 is another brick in the wall around our freedom to preserve our American culture of freedom and sovereignty by standing up for what we believe with our freely spoken words.
#149. To: palo verde, aristeides, Brian S, lodwick, ghostdogtxn, Burkeman1, rowdee, christine, Original_Intent, farmfriend, All (#130)
It's too late to call Congressmen. It's now been forwarded to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, names of committee members here, 17 members in total, some more vulnerable than others as noted below.
Those of us who are active in other political boards or political meet-up groups - whether they are of Dem or Repub persuation - need to marshall the energies of members of those groups and encourage them to call and fax and send letters of protest to their own senators as well as to the Senators on the Committee on Homeland Security. The Senate Bill is S-1959. ( mirror of HR 1955). This bill is a thought crime bill - a variation of a hate crime bill, that fell through earlier this year. The same anti-free speech Stalinists are trying to ram this through. We must stop them at the Senate level.
Light up the switchboard at (202) 224-3121, and let the Senators know that they should not vote for an unconstitutional thought-crime measure like the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" S-1959. Our free speech rights are the corner stone of our fair Republic and guaranteed free speech is something that distinguishes us from all other nations. They should over turn what other Americans through history fought to defend and to preserve.
Here's more on contacting Senators by snail mail ( the best!), by phone, by email and fax:
Co-Chair: Susan Collins R-Maine **** vulnerable, up for re-elect 11/08
Members:
Daniel Akaka D-Hawaii
Thomas Carper D-DE
Thomas Coburn R-OK
Norman Coleman R-MN *** vulnerable & up for re-elect 11/08
Pete Dominici R-NM **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08
Mary Landrieu D-LA **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08
Carl Levin D-MI **** vulnerable - up for re-election 11/08
Claire McCaskill D-MO
Barack Obama D-IL **** vulnerable to voter concerns-Dem Pres candidate
Mark Pryor D-AR **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08
Ted Stevens R-AK **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08
John Sununu R-NH **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08
John Tester D-MT
John Voinovich R-OH ( a bit vulnerable -only 44% approval as of 11/07)
John Warner R-VA **** vulnerable - up for re-elect 11/08
The bill was introduced to the Senate on August 02, 2007, as Senate Bill 1959, and has been referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[7]The Bill was introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), and has been co-sponsored by Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN).
From wiki regarding Media "blackout"...interesting - who says we have a "free" press?( Pravda by another name- our US media function as gubment foot soldiers)
Oops - I forgot to add the wiki write up about Media Blackout - you can go to the site and read it yourself but here is the specific section along with institutional Reaction:
Media reaction The mainsteam press as of Jan. 7, 2008 appears to have blacked out this issue: Exceptional coverage did occur in The Brattleboro Reformer ,Brattleboro VT(Jan. 4,2008, Nov. 28, 2007), Madison Capital Times. Madison, Wis. (Jan 4, 2008) and The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, UT (Oct. 28). Other exceptions are noted below:
The Baltimore Sun published a opinion article by Professor Emeritus Ralph E. Shaffer and R. William Robinson, titled "Here come the thought police" Check Sun archives after Dec. 18,2007. [27]
The Pioneer Press published an article by Professor Peter Erlinder, pointing out disturbing parallels to the House Un-American Activities Committee.[28]
Conservative commentator Devvy Kidd writes: "Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government.... Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime.""[29]
In an interview aired on Democracy Now, Academic and author Ward Churchill said: "HR 1955, as I understand it, provides a basis for subjective interpretation of dissident speech...."[13]
Kamau Franklin of the Center for Constitutional Rights said that the bill "concentrates on the internet as a place where terrorist rhetoric or ideas have been coming across into the United States and to American citizens.” [30]
LewRockwell.com columnist Jeff Knaebel criticizes it as an Orwellian thought crime bill specifically targeting the civilian population in the USA and defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system which the government deems to be "extremist." [31]
The Hartford Advocate, noting that all of Connecticut's Representatives had voted for the bill, sought to interview one of them, but reported that none of them would comment on the record, personally or through a spokesperson, about their reasons for voting in favor. The Advocate concluded that the problem with the bill was "not that the bill threatens anything specific, but that it’s far too vague."[32]
[edit] Institutional reaction The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) issued a statement saying:, "Law enforcement should focus on action, not thought. We need to worry about the people who are committing crimes rather than those who harbor beliefs that the government may consider to be extreme."[33]
The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers issued a joint statement opposing the Bill: "The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers strongly urge the Senate to refuse to pass the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." Details about their objections can be read here.
The Center for Constitutional Rights opposes the bill and issued this Fact Sheet. (cut and paste the following url)
The John Birch Society wrote in an Action Alert: "I haven't found anyone who supports this bill and contests these very negative interpretations. If there isn't anyone who can explain why it does not have these negative consequences, than your objective template is unwarranted and should be removed."[34]