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Title: Carl Cameron to Ron Paul: Are you "electable?" "Are you really a Republican?" Paul: Yes you stupid ass.
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Published: Jan 12, 2008
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2008-01-12 17:17:31 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#127. To: scrapper2 (#125)
Agreed... There are limits, when something is to be done, it will be done. Congress is but the instrument to make it legal.
wow buckeye thanks, I really appreciate that I had no idea I love what it means, a friend ps, buckeye please don't read my post to loddy about what I a slut I was in my youth I'm still a hippy, but I am a good girl!
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
It's urgent to nail this sucker bill to the post. Senators are exceedingly arrogant and protective of their powers. We need to harness the Senators' love of power and being top dogs in DC to end this bill when it comes up for a vote. Other noxious bills have been stopped because the Senate got afraid of being unemployed. We The People must roar to the Senators. I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate
This is excellent post
It is the most dangerous piece of legislation which has ever been up before our congress
You nailed it all! Perfectly!
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off? We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do.
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists, and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever, I could spread the word - so to speak. Yes, the total excitement of making new converts still appeals, but the reality of the consequences today dissuade me. I don't want any court appearances on a divorce hearing.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution "Bed" is wherever you lose consciousness.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
I have no idea why UK citizens are going quietly to police state and fascism Before buying any more tables I'll be sure to check them for policy liens and glove drawers.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
We're trying to conduct a grass roots presidential campaign, and now this. There's so much to do. what happened last summer?
Legal immigration activists put the fear of God into congress when the President was lying about the McCain-Kennedy bill not being amnesty, and it was nearly railroaded through the Capitol. The political ground was shaken under their feet, and they knew they had reached the absolute limits that they could push with their legal anarchy. I am certain that it was this watershed moment that led to HR 1955's meteoric rise.
Damn. That is too funny for words. I will quote you on that one. Jesus. I'm still laughing. Thanks.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Just give us their names and addresses. Problem solved. Next case...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution thank you for exlaining it to me, Buckeye HR55 is vicious legislation which takes away freedom of speech talk radio does immigration 24/7 I don't know what to do except to pray for a miracle to stop it Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
LOL I love you for being in the free-love section of the Southern Baptists I was jewish new york girl, they have reputation for being "loose" LOL
To the extent that he could encourage the DOJ to get it judicially reviewed. To the extent that he could avoid prosecuting it, again with influence on the DOJ. I know immigration is not your issue, but you may find yourself curious about the coincidence of the massive activism last summer (in outcry against the loss of legal integrity in our government over the issue) and the rapid sweeping in of the HR 1955 legislation. This is why HR 1955 discusses American-born citizens. Recall that Bill Clinton tried to tie the patriot movement to Timothy McVeigh after the Murrah building attacks. The language of HR 1955 is directly related to both the Murrah building incident and last year's summer of immigration activism. The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
if anyone answers this, I will read it tomorrow sweet dreams to all of you
thank you Buckeye, for your long thoughtful answer
You say that as though the two are mutually exclusive. Which they aren't, by the way. :)
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I find it significant that a CFR member, Jane Harman, and apparently a Zionist, is somehow indirectly concerned with the Patriot movement, which concerns itself with the American identity. We do have an identity, Palo. Part of that identity is the love of the law, and the faith that it sets us free because it sets us apart from savagery, and rules over us with equal protection. Part of that identity is the English language, and the heritage it brings with us. A culture like ours, which has extended its generosity to so many, is worth preserving. We have shed blood over generations to build and preserve what we have here, and it is too precious to see it destroyed by globalism and unprincipled multiculturalism. And yet htis is what the ADL strives to do, and has in many ways succeeded in doing. HR 1955 is another brick in the wall around our freedom to preserve our American culture of freedom and sovereignty by standing up for what we believe with our freely spoken words.
It's too late to call Congressmen. It's now been forwarded to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, names of committee members here, 17 members in total, some more vulnerable than others as noted below. Those of us who are active in other political boards or political meet-up groups - whether they are of Dem or Repub persuation - need to marshall the energies of members of those groups and encourage them to call and fax and send letters of protest to their own senators as well as to the Senators on the Committee on Homeland Security. The Senate Bill is S-1959. ( mirror of HR 1955). This bill is a thought crime bill - a variation of a hate crime bill, that fell through earlier this year. The same anti-free speech Stalinists are trying to ram this through. We must stop them at the Senate level. Light up the switchboard at (202) 224-3121, and let the Senators know that they should not vote for an unconstitutional thought-crime measure like the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" S-1959. Our free speech rights are the corner stone of our fair Republic and guaranteed free speech is something that distinguishes us from all other nations. They should over turn what other Americans through history fought to defend and to preserve. Here's more on contacting Senators by snail mail ( the best!), by phone, by email and fax: www.senate.gov/pagelayout...nd_teasers/contacting.htm www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSGA Chairman: Joe Lieberman I-CT Co-Chair: Susan Collins R-Maine **** vulnerable, up for re-elect 11/08 Members: Daniel Akaka D-Hawaii Thomas Carper D-DE Thomas Coburn R-OK Norman Coleman R-MN *** vulnerable & up for re-elect 11/08 Pete Dominici R-NM **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Mary Landrieu D-LA **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Carl Levin D-MI **** vulnerable - up for re-election 11/08 Claire McCaskill D-MO Barack Obama D-IL **** vulnerable to voter concerns-Dem Pres candidate Mark Pryor D-AR **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 Ted Stevens R-AK **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Sununu R-NH **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Tester D-MT John Voinovich R-OH ( a bit vulnerable -only 44% approval as of 11/07) John Warner R-VA **** vulnerable - up for re-elect 11/08 The bill was introduced to the Senate on August 02, 2007, as Senate Bill 1959, and has been referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[7]The Bill was introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), and has been co-sponsored by Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN). From wiki regarding Media "blackout"...interesting - who says we have a "free" press?( Pravda by another name- our US media function as gubment foot soldiers)
Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Oops - I forgot to add the wiki write up about Media Blackout - you can go to the site and read it yourself but here is the specific section along with institutional Reaction: en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/US_House_Resolution_1955 Media reaction The mainsteam press as of Jan. 7, 2008 appears to have blacked out this issue: Exceptional coverage did occur in The Brattleboro Reformer ,Brattleboro VT(Jan. 4,2008, Nov. 28, 2007), Madison Capital Times. Madison, Wis. (Jan 4, 2008) and The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, UT (Oct. 28). Other exceptions are noted below: The Baltimore Sun published a opinion article by Professor Emeritus Ralph E. Shaffer and R. William Robinson, titled "Here come the thought police" Check Sun archives after Dec. 18,2007. [27] The Pioneer Press published an article by Professor Peter Erlinder, pointing out disturbing parallels to the House Un-American Activities Committee.[28] Conservative commentator Devvy Kidd writes: "Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government.... Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime.""[29] In an interview aired on Democracy Now, Academic and author Ward Churchill said: "HR 1955, as I understand it, provides a basis for subjective interpretation of dissident speech...."[13] Kamau Franklin of the Center for Constitutional Rights said that the bill "concentrates on the internet as a place where terrorist rhetoric or ideas have been coming across into the United States and to American citizens.” [30] LewRockwell.com columnist Jeff Knaebel criticizes it as an Orwellian thought crime bill specifically targeting the civilian population in the USA and defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system which the government deems to be "extremist." [31] The Hartford Advocate, noting that all of Connecticut's Representatives had voted for the bill, sought to interview one of them, but reported that none of them would comment on the record, personally or through a spokesperson, about their reasons for voting in favor. The Advocate concluded that the problem with the bill was "not that the bill threatens anything specific, but that it’s far too vague."[32] [edit] Institutional reaction The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) issued a statement saying:, "Law enforcement should focus on action, not thought. We need to worry about the people who are committing crimes rather than those who harbor beliefs that the government may consider to be extreme."[33] The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers issued a joint statement opposing the Bill: "The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers strongly urge the Senate to refuse to pass the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." Details about their objections can be read here. The Center for Constitutional Rights opposes the bill and issued this Fact Sheet. (cut and paste the following url) ccrjustice.org/learn-more...olent-radicalization-and- homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act-2007 The John Birch Society wrote in an Action Alert: "I haven't found anyone who supports this bill and contests these very negative interpretations. If there isn't anyone who can explain why it does not have these negative consequences, than your objective template is unwarranted and should be removed."[34]
Ted Stevens? Hells yes, I was wanting to call someone at random, why not a public figure? Brilliant suggestion on your part.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Thanks for the up-date. But I think it's still worth calling them - play on their party loyalty - maybe we should vary the approach a bit to the Senators you mention above, rowdee, with ( as the case may be): "I really want the Dems/Repubs to retain your seat ( or to retain/regain majority power on Capitol Hill if these are not our Senators and we are contacting them because they are members of the HS Committee) in November '08 and I must tell you that this bill is extremely important to me and to the people I work with and my fellow church goers....blah, blah... "
I'm sure they will do whatever te liar in chief wants them to do...they are party players.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Speak now while it's still legal. This is the "petitioning" part that's described in the Declaration of Independence. It's important to be sincere in the effort to lodge these complaints.
buck... This has been done as a test of Congressmen... Send in two letters asking for action for and against any current subject and then compare the two answers.
Yep - I do. These individual Senators love power not only with regards to what their state senate seat affords them but also what special powers controlling the Senate might afford them in 11/08 - either cushy Committee assignments or bare bones nothing if they are in the minority. The balance of power in the Senate shifted but a little in 2006. It could get very bad for the GOP due to dubya or it get worse for the Dems because they have not delivered. It's up in the air. I think we need to play on their love of being on the majority side and their fear of being cast into the minority.
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
There was an attempt in the second half of the 1950's to pass a bill to start a Soviet Style Psychiatric Gulag in Alaska - any person could be sent there without trial or due process if some Psychiatrist said so. It passed the House almost unanimously but then it got publicized and was stopped cold in the Senate. That CAN be done here. We just have to raise hell about it.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
HR-1955 was introduced to the House on April 19 2007 and passed on Oct 23, 2007. It was introduced to the Senate on August 2, 2007 as S-1959.
Criminals get very nervous when people start uncovering, and making public, their crimes. That is likely how the House and Senate are kept under control - Dossiers on their individual criminal actions. Which are compiled and used by even bigger criminals i.e., Lobbies, Foreign Interest Groups, Bankers, etc., ... That is one of the things about Ron Paul that scares the Banksters and other members of the Criminal Establishment - he has led a clean life and they don't have any handles on him to blackmail him into compliance. The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think it's all Internet political discussion sites and all talk radio. The Powers That Be do not want people exchanging ideas and information regarding politics at all. They only want sanitized meaningless PC pablum consumed. They want voters of all political stripes very fearful to get news anywhere but through reading and listening to and watching "approved" MSM slop.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
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#128. To: buckeye (#118)
ruth=friend
Love, Palo
what could be nicer
I was just a hippie chick
I am not like that at all now
#129. To: buckeye (#121)
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason. They are reacting to us the best way they know how. They are not afraid of Islamism. They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
#130. To: scrapper2 (#125)
Cynicom, to stop HR 1955 there's no time to wait for white knights. We The People need to make use of Senators' powers to head off the Congressmen.
but I have no idea how??
Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous
and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
#131. To: scrapper2 (#129)
Individual senators are most concerned about keeping their senate jobs over all other fears. We The People must deliver outcry in the highest decibels possible to the Senators to stop HR 1955. We have done it before as you point out. We The People must get on the phones, the faxes to the Senators post haste. It threatens liberals and conservatives alike and their rights to free speech and free association.
Love, Palo
#132. To: All (#131)
it takes away freedom of speech
#133. To: buckeye (#121)
Scrapper, this summer we scared them to the bone with our outcry over the McCain-Kennedy treason.
They are reacting to us the best way they know how.
They are not afraid of Islamism.
They are afraid of American patriots who simply want the highest laws of our land restored.
thank you
Love, Palo
#134. To: scrapper2, palo verde (#129)
We have done it before as you point out.
#135. To: palo verde (#124)
would you really want to be 22 again, Loddy? what appeals to you about it? all the sleeping around we did back then?
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#136. To: lodwick (#126)
Agree - we're pussies, but I'd like to be able to walk to the bed at night, instead of knee-crawl in there.
#137. To: palo verde (#112)
I am completely non violent
I will not shoot or kill anyone
however I am not afraid to die
I would hope here in USA we would resist it non violently
#138. To: buckeye (#134)
The key would be to organize civil protests and public outcry, similar to the actions that were undertaken last summer. I don't know how to make that happen. The Minute Men, Let Freedom Ring, the John Birch Society, these groups could mobilize together. Do you want to try to kick something off?
remember I left LP in protest of Goldi banning Pon Paul articles in early June
I did not return till Thanksgiving
#139. To: palo verde (#138)
what happened last summer?
#140. To: orangedog (#136)
"Bed" is wherever you lose consciousness.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#141. To: Dakmar, palo verde, all non-shooters here (#137)
I am completely non violent I will not shoot or kill anyone
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#142. To: buckeye, ALL (#139)
you are very kind
as you know I am not into the iummigration issue
I pray it can be stopped
whole Senate wants it
but they will never go near this one
because they are in bed with the same people who want the police state
that's why they never mention Ron Paul either
I ask this question to all
I really want to hear your answers to it
because I do not know, and I would like to know
Love, Palo
#143. To: lodwick (#135)
As you know, I was a member of the Free-love section of the Southern Baptists,
and tried my level best to do my duty when, and wherever,
I could spread the word - so to speak.
#144. To: palo verde (#142)
Do you thnk Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
#145. To: All (#142)
(Palo) Do you think Ron Paul's Presidency can protect us from this legislation?
I ask this question to all
I really want to hear your answers to it
because I do not know, and I would like to know
I have thought and thought and not come up with an answer myself
which is why I appreciate any input anyone has
I love you
Palo
#146. To: buckeye (#144)
I really appreciate it!
I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate
All my love, Palo
#147. To: palo verde (#128)
I'm still a hippy, but I am a good girl!
#148. To: palo verde, Original_Intent, robin, lodwick, Critter, scrapper2, FOH, christine (#146)
I will read it again first thing tomorrow, when I can fully concentrate
#149. To: palo verde, aristeides, Brian S, lodwick, ghostdogtxn, Burkeman1, rowdee, christine, Original_Intent, farmfriend, All (#130)
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#151. To: All (#149)
#152. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#153. To: rowdee, All (#150)
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Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
#154. To: scrapper2 (#153)
#155. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#156. To: rowdee (#155)
You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#157. To: buckeye (#156)
#158. To: rowdee (#155)
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#159. To: scrapper2 (#149)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#160. To: palo verde, scrapper2, TwentyTwelve, critter, ALL (#130)
I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate but I have no idea how?? Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
#161. To: farmfriend (#159)
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
#162. To: buckeye, Palo Verde, lodwick, scrapper2, all (#144)
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
#163. To: Original_Intent (#162)
The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
#164. To: scrapper2 (#163)
Well do you, don't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast, but don't let me break you
Tell me, tell me, tell me your answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
#165. To: palo verde (#146)
#166. To: Ferret Mike (#165)
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