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Published: Jan 12, 2008
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#149. To: palo verde, aristeides, Brian S, lodwick, ghostdogtxn, Burkeman1, rowdee, christine, Original_Intent, farmfriend, All (#130)
It's too late to call Congressmen. It's now been forwarded to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, names of committee members here, 17 members in total, some more vulnerable than others as noted below. Those of us who are active in other political boards or political meet-up groups - whether they are of Dem or Repub persuation - need to marshall the energies of members of those groups and encourage them to call and fax and send letters of protest to their own senators as well as to the Senators on the Committee on Homeland Security. The Senate Bill is S-1959. ( mirror of HR 1955). This bill is a thought crime bill - a variation of a hate crime bill, that fell through earlier this year. The same anti-free speech Stalinists are trying to ram this through. We must stop them at the Senate level. Light up the switchboard at (202) 224-3121, and let the Senators know that they should not vote for an unconstitutional thought-crime measure like the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" S-1959. Our free speech rights are the corner stone of our fair Republic and guaranteed free speech is something that distinguishes us from all other nations. They should over turn what other Americans through history fought to defend and to preserve. Here's more on contacting Senators by snail mail ( the best!), by phone, by email and fax: www.senate.gov/pagelayout...nd_teasers/contacting.htm www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSGA Chairman: Joe Lieberman I-CT Co-Chair: Susan Collins R-Maine **** vulnerable, up for re-elect 11/08 Members: Daniel Akaka D-Hawaii Thomas Carper D-DE Thomas Coburn R-OK Norman Coleman R-MN *** vulnerable & up for re-elect 11/08 Pete Dominici R-NM **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Mary Landrieu D-LA **** vulnerable -up for re-election 11/08 Carl Levin D-MI **** vulnerable - up for re-election 11/08 Claire McCaskill D-MO Barack Obama D-IL **** vulnerable to voter concerns-Dem Pres candidate Mark Pryor D-AR **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 Ted Stevens R-AK **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Sununu R-NH **** vulnerable up for re-election 11/08 John Tester D-MT John Voinovich R-OH ( a bit vulnerable -only 44% approval as of 11/07) John Warner R-VA **** vulnerable - up for re-elect 11/08 The bill was introduced to the Senate on August 02, 2007, as Senate Bill 1959, and has been referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[7]The Bill was introduced by Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), and has been co-sponsored by Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN). From wiki regarding Media "blackout"...interesting - who says we have a "free" press?( Pravda by another name- our US media function as gubment foot soldiers)
Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Oops - I forgot to add the wiki write up about Media Blackout - you can go to the site and read it yourself but here is the specific section along with institutional Reaction: en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/US_House_Resolution_1955 Media reaction The mainsteam press as of Jan. 7, 2008 appears to have blacked out this issue: Exceptional coverage did occur in The Brattleboro Reformer ,Brattleboro VT(Jan. 4,2008, Nov. 28, 2007), Madison Capital Times. Madison, Wis. (Jan 4, 2008) and The Salt Lake Tribune Salt Lake City, UT (Oct. 28). Other exceptions are noted below: The Baltimore Sun published a opinion article by Professor Emeritus Ralph E. Shaffer and R. William Robinson, titled "Here come the thought police" Check Sun archives after Dec. 18,2007. [27] The Pioneer Press published an article by Professor Peter Erlinder, pointing out disturbing parallels to the House Un-American Activities Committee.[28] Conservative commentator Devvy Kidd writes: "Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government.... Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime.""[29] In an interview aired on Democracy Now, Academic and author Ward Churchill said: "HR 1955, as I understand it, provides a basis for subjective interpretation of dissident speech...."[13] Kamau Franklin of the Center for Constitutional Rights said that the bill "concentrates on the internet as a place where terrorist rhetoric or ideas have been coming across into the United States and to American citizens.” [30] LewRockwell.com columnist Jeff Knaebel criticizes it as an Orwellian thought crime bill specifically targeting the civilian population in the USA and defines "Violent Radicalization" as promoting any belief system which the government deems to be "extremist." [31] The Hartford Advocate, noting that all of Connecticut's Representatives had voted for the bill, sought to interview one of them, but reported that none of them would comment on the record, personally or through a spokesperson, about their reasons for voting in favor. The Advocate concluded that the problem with the bill was "not that the bill threatens anything specific, but that it’s far too vague."[32] [edit] Institutional reaction The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) issued a statement saying:, "Law enforcement should focus on action, not thought. We need to worry about the people who are committing crimes rather than those who harbor beliefs that the government may consider to be extreme."[33] The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers issued a joint statement opposing the Bill: "The National Lawyers Guild and the Society of American Law Teachers strongly urge the Senate to refuse to pass the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." Details about their objections can be read here. The Center for Constitutional Rights opposes the bill and issued this Fact Sheet. (cut and paste the following url) ccrjustice.org/learn-more...olent-radicalization-and- homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act-2007 The John Birch Society wrote in an Action Alert: "I haven't found anyone who supports this bill and contests these very negative interpretations. If there isn't anyone who can explain why it does not have these negative consequences, than your objective template is unwarranted and should be removed."[34]
Ted Stevens? Hells yes, I was wanting to call someone at random, why not a public figure? Brilliant suggestion on your part.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Thanks for the up-date. But I think it's still worth calling them - play on their party loyalty - maybe we should vary the approach a bit to the Senators you mention above, rowdee, with ( as the case may be): "I really want the Dems/Repubs to retain your seat ( or to retain/regain majority power on Capitol Hill if these are not our Senators and we are contacting them because they are members of the HS Committee) in November '08 and I must tell you that this bill is extremely important to me and to the people I work with and my fellow church goers....blah, blah... "
I'm sure they will do whatever te liar in chief wants them to do...they are party players.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Speak now while it's still legal. This is the "petitioning" part that's described in the Declaration of Independence. It's important to be sincere in the effort to lodge these complaints.
buck... This has been done as a test of Congressmen... Send in two letters asking for action for and against any current subject and then compare the two answers.
Yep - I do. These individual Senators love power not only with regards to what their state senate seat affords them but also what special powers controlling the Senate might afford them in 11/08 - either cushy Committee assignments or bare bones nothing if they are in the minority. The balance of power in the Senate shifted but a little in 2006. It could get very bad for the GOP due to dubya or it get worse for the Dems because they have not delivered. It's up in the air. I think we need to play on their love of being on the majority side and their fear of being cast into the minority.
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
There was an attempt in the second half of the 1950's to pass a bill to start a Soviet Style Psychiatric Gulag in Alaska - any person could be sent there without trial or due process if some Psychiatrist said so. It passed the House almost unanimously but then it got publicized and was stopped cold in the Senate. That CAN be done here. We just have to raise hell about it.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
HR-1955 was introduced to the House on April 19 2007 and passed on Oct 23, 2007. It was introduced to the Senate on August 2, 2007 as S-1959.
Criminals get very nervous when people start uncovering, and making public, their crimes. That is likely how the House and Senate are kept under control - Dossiers on their individual criminal actions. Which are compiled and used by even bigger criminals i.e., Lobbies, Foreign Interest Groups, Bankers, etc., ... That is one of the things about Ron Paul that scares the Banksters and other members of the Criminal Establishment - he has led a clean life and they don't have any handles on him to blackmail him into compliance. The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think it's all Internet political discussion sites and all talk radio. The Powers That Be do not want people exchanging ideas and information regarding politics at all. They only want sanitized meaningless PC pablum consumed. They want voters of all political stripes very fearful to get news anywhere but through reading and listening to and watching "approved" MSM slop.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
If I close my eyes and listen to Charlie, I swear I've had that guy in the Food For Lane County facility I work at. I am a 'hospitality' person who does ambiance control at a free meal site four days a week and a certain percentage of them try to run the show their way or play there movie. Old Charlie would be 86ed almost immediately if he showed up, and he is not the craziest tramp I've seen in the 'hood and at work. ;-)
Sorry, that's not how it works. Bills keep their numbers when they change houses. These are two separate bills, one originating in the House (HR) and one originating in the Senate (S). When you look up HR1955 it will show several versions. One is designated as HR 1955 RFS which stands for "refered to the Senate." H.R.1955 MAJOR ACTIONS: SUMMARY AS OF: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization (an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change) and homegrown terrorism (violence by a group or individual within the United States to coerce the U.S. government, the civilian population, or a segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives). Establishes within the legislative branch the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism to: (1) examine and report on facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States; and (2) build upon, bring together, and avoid unnecessary duplication of related work done by other entities toward such goal. Requires: (1) interim reports and a final report from the Commission to the President and Congress on its findings and recommendations; (2) the public availability of such reports; and (3) Commission termination 30 days after its final report. Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States to assist federal, state, local, and tribal homeland security officials, through training, education, and research, in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Requires the Secretary to: (1) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and (2) report to Congress on lessons learned from survey results. Prohibits Department of Homeland Security (DHS) efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. Directs the: (1) Secretary to ensure that activities and operations are in compliance with DHS's commitment to racial neutrality; and (2) DHS Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer to develop and implement an auditing system to ensure that compliance does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion, and to include audit results in its annual report to Congress. S.1959 SUMMARY AS OF: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Establishes within the legislative branch the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism to: (1) examine and report on facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States; (2) survey methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent such radicalization and terrorism; and (3) build upon, bring together, and avoid unnecessary duplication of related work done by other entities toward such goal. Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States to assist federal, state, local, and tribal government homeland security officials in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. Requires the Secretary to ensure that activities to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism do not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
Interesting web site. I use Thomas, Library of Congress.
I think you missed an earlier post or "ignored it" ... ha ! Look up the Veteran's Disarmament Act ... Bush signed it into law and no one was aware of it.
"Give us liberty and give them death" ... noone222 1-10-08
Scrapper, thank you for posting the committee's name and membership list in plain form. I have put a hyper-linked table into this post for everyone's convenience. Obama was reportedly still undecided about this bill in December of last year. We can count on televised debate moderators not to ask him if he has made up his mind. Please contact someone on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and have your opinions heard. There is a membership link there with contact links for each senator. 4 will come under scrutiny of the committees and institutes funded by this bill, you can bet on that.
Suggestion: Post this information as its own thread.
Live free or die.
Contacting them about S1959 is pointless. The bill is not moving. Contact them about HR1955 if you want to make a difference. But hey, don't take the lobbyist's word for it.
That's the committee Joe Lieberman chairs. Susan Collins is the ranking member.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Lovely. buckeye has a new thread up on it. He is trying to get the title changed though.
Some of the left-wing hosts on Air America have also been complaining about this bill. John Eliot, for example.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I'm not so sure we can entrust our future to these scions of wisdom and courage.
Look up the Veteran's Disarmament Act ... Bush signed it into law and no one was aware of it. I miss a lot after 6pm...mornings are spent playing ketchup.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I don't mind, Palo. My only concern is that we be honest with America's youth today. They should understand that choices they make will determine their futures, and the futures of their country.
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, Ron Paul said this bill is aimed at internet which explains why your post is true
you are right
Hi sweetie Yitzhak Rabin is a great hero of mine,
great post palo, thank you for sharing
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I think it is great you kid around, Dakmar g' morning buckeye Hi Loddy
It is their business, no one else's because they live it. Amen. Being, or trying to be, the world's 'policeman' is killing our country, our military, and soon enough, most all the rest of us.) (Lightly scrambled, would be nice, thanks.)
Join the Ron Paul Revolution excellent post, Loddy
Why Does The Establishment Hate Ron Paul?
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#150. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#151. To: All (#149)
#152. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#153. To: rowdee, All (#150)
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Warner is retiring at the end of the session, as is Domenici. And STevens? Who knows.............he's under criminal investigation.
#154. To: scrapper2 (#153)
#155. To: scrapper2 (#149)
#156. To: rowdee (#155)
You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#157. To: buckeye (#156)
#158. To: rowdee (#155)
Sununu......New Hampshire...........sheesh...........they're the nuts wanting 100 years of war......or 5 generations anyways! You think that type is gonna listen to reason?
#159. To: scrapper2 (#149)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#160. To: palo verde, scrapper2, TwentyTwelve, critter, ALL (#130)
I would give anything to stop this bill being passed by our Senate but I have no idea how?? Do you know how many Representatives voted for it, it was practically unanimous and it will be practically unanimous in Senate too
#161. To: farmfriend (#159)
The Senate bill is not the one we need to worry about. It hasn't moved from committee. It won't as long as HR1955 is moving. It is out of the House and in Senate committee. Energy should be directed at that bill.
#162. To: buckeye, Palo Verde, lodwick, scrapper2, all (#144)
The Internet links us together in our love of country and the rule of law, and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects.
#163. To: Original_Intent (#162)
The real targets of this bill are the Internet, and alternative Talk Radio such as Alex Jones and Jack Blood. The more we talk, and the more we exchange information the more nervous they get. They fear discovery of their crimes.
#164. To: scrapper2 (#163)
Well do you, don't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast, but don't let me break you
Tell me, tell me, tell me your answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
#165. To: palo verde (#146)
#166. To: Ferret Mike (#165)
#167. To: Dakmar (#166)
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#168. To: scrapper2 (#161)
HR-1955 was introduced to the House on April 19 2007 and passed on Oct 23, 2007. It was introduced to the Senate on August 2, 2007 as S-1959.
Title: To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Harman, Jane [CA-36] (introduced 4/19/2007) Cosponsors (14)
Latest Major Action: 10/24/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
House Reports: 110-384 Part 1
4/19/2007 Introduced in House
10/16/2007 Reported (Amended) by the Committee on Homeland Security. H. Rept. 110-384, Part I.
10/16/2007 Committee on Judiciary discharged.
10/23/2007 Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 404 - 6 (Roll no. 993).
10/24/2007 Referred to Senate committee: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
10/16/2007--Reported to House amended, Part I. (There is 1 other summary)
Title: A bill to establish the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] (introduced 8/2/2007) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 8/2/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
8/2/2007--Introduced.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#169. To: scrapper2 (#161)
www.govtrack.us/congress/...d?tab=main&bill=h110-1955
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#170. To: lodwick (#40)
#171. To: scrapper2, christine (#149)
Democrat Republican Joseph I. Lieberman Chairman (ID) (CT) Susan M. Collins Ranking Member (ME) Carl Levin (MI) Ted Stevens (AK) Daniel K. Akaka (HI) George V. Voinovich (OH) Thomas R. Carper (DE) Norm Coleman (MN) Mark L. Pryor (AR) Tom Coburn (OK) Mary L. Landrieu (LA) Pete V. Domenici (NM) Barack Obama (IL) John Warner (VA) Claire McCaskill (MO) John E. Sununu (NH) Jon Tester (MT)
#172. To: buckeye, christine (#171)
#173. To: angle, buckeye, christine (#172)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#174. To: farmfriend (#168)
Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
#175. To: aristeides (#174)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#176. To: Original_Intent (#160)
That CAN be done here. We just have to raise hell about it.
#177. To: aristeides (#174)
That's the committee Joe Lieberman chairs. Susan Collins is the ranking member.
#178. To: noone222. all (#170)
I think you missed an earlier post or "ignored it" ... ha !
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#179. To: palo verde (#128)
I am not like that at all now
#180. To: buckeye, ALL (#144)
HR1955
and this terrifies the outlaw Establishment that congress protects
I think he is right
Love, Palo
#181. To: Dakmar (#147)
Love, Palo
#182. To: buckeye (#181)
...Jewish...
I used to be on Liberty Forum, which is "hate Jews all-the-time"
I didn't know that when I joined it, I discovered it almost right away tho
I thought about it and realized, "if they want to hate Jews, it's their problem, it has nothing to do with me"
and I decided to stay, they had some great posters then, with some great truth
And the posters were great to me too
(this was 5 years ago)
After that I ignore hate Jews posts, hate Muslims post, hate Mexicans post
And I give love to all posters (no matter who they hate) as long as they are friendly to me
LOL my Jewish friends are all leftists, they support the Palestinians
My husband is Catholic, he supports Israel
I love both Palestinians and Israelis, I pray for peace for both of them
Larry King is right when he warmly embraced Yassir Arafat, and said "we are cousins"
When my friend Linda Zuckerman visited over there, she came back and reported "all the Palestinians look like us"
Israelis and Palestinians are beautiful people, I hope they choose peace and work it out
Love, Palo
He realized Israel's security lay in peace.
He broached it to Arafat, who realized Palestinians' security lay in peace.
They worked long and hard on the Oslo Accords and called each other brother.
They both wanted peace with all their heart for their people.
But as always, the people choose.
And whatever choice they make they live.
I think President Ron Paul will be excellent, he will treat all with friendship and respect, and let all make their own decisions.
It is their business, no one else's because they live it
#183. To: palo verde (#182)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#184. To: Dakmar, buckeye, lodwick (#182)
...kidding around...
Love, Palo (bushbots for Ron Paul)
Love, Palo (sluts for Ron Paul)
how was your scrambled eggs :)
Love, Palo
#185. To: palo verde (#182)
I think President Ron Paul will be excellent, he will treat all with friendship and respect, and let all make their own decisions.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#186. To: lodwick (#185)
Love, Palo
#187. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#188. To: Ron took Cameron's Fast Ball Curve, change up knuckle ball and hit a GRAND Slam (#0)
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