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Title: Look At The Savage American Indians From Early Woodcuts
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Published: Jan 12, 2008
Author: de bry
Post Date: 2008-01-12 23:01:14 by tom007
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Comments: 31

http://www.csulb.edu/~aisstudy/woodcuts/wood.coll.set.1.html

Notice the roads, cultivated fields, communal society and the food storage structures. All indicative of a high level of civilization.

Are these savages?

No.

One hundred years later or less, after the devastation caused by the plagues brought by the Europeans, all this was destroyed, and they were reduced to what appeared to be savagery.

It was mass starvation in reality.

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tom007  posted on  2008-01-12   23:13:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Sacrificing a child to the chief. Note the European.

tom007  posted on  2008-01-12   23:24:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tom007 (#2)

did they sacrifice their own children to the chief?

christine  posted on  2008-01-12   23:44:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#5)

They offer their first-born son to the chief. On the day of the sacrifice, the chief goes to the place dedicated to that purpose. There he takes his seat on a bench. Not far off is a tree stump about two feet high and as many thick, in front of which the mother of the first-born son squats on her heels, her face covered with her hands in sorrow. One of her women friends or relatives then offers the child to the chief in worship. After the offering is made the women who have accompanied the mother dance in a circle around the stump with great demonstrations of joy. In their midst, singing the chief's praises, dances the woman who holds the child. Near by stands a group of six Indians. They surround a magnificently decorated man holding a club. It is he who will perform the sacrifice. When the dance ends, he takes the infant and kills it on the wooden stump in honor of the chief. I saw this ritual performed once while I was there. Monday, 15-May-95 14:17:42 PDT

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Notice the Sun worship. Typical really. Child sacrifice was pretty normal as far as I can tell in many cultures, esp the US of A in the 2000's.

You have to give G-d your most valuable possession, and that would be your child. Seems the OT had a story similar, but stopped it.

One might assume that child sacrifice was demanded by the Hebrews in most ancient of times and the story of G-d forbidding it was a way for some enlightened scribes to try to stop it.

This is me talking I have no evidence of that, I don't think anyone else does to the contrary tho. Just fits.

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#24. To: tom007 (#7)

No source? No URL? Nothing to tell us who these wood cuttings were made by, or when?

RidinShotgun  posted on  2008-01-13   13:20:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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www.csulb.edu/~aisstudy/woodcuts

From the properties of the image.

robin  posted on  2008-01-13   13:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robin (#25)

Thanks. Obviously these aren't Indian cuttings or designs so I'd ask, did the guy doing the cutting have an agenda? Did the guy doing the interpretations of the cuttings have an agenda? how would anyone know if they did?

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#29. To: RidinShotgun (#27)

“A Younge Gentill Woeman Doughter of Secota.” Theodor de Bry’s engraving of a young American Indian woman, published in Thomas Hariot’s 1588 book A Briefe and True Report of the New Found Land of Virginia. In the foreground, the woman is depicted from both the front and back. Her hair is tied back and her arms and legs are painted or tattooed. She is bare-chested and wears a necklace and a fringed skirt. In the background is a body of water in which ducks are swimming, and people in a canoe appear to be fishing in a weir.

The text accompanying the image reads:

Virgins of good parentage are apparelled altogether like the women of Secota above mentioned, saving that they wear hanging about their necks instead of a chain certain thick, and round pearls, with little beads of copper, or polished bones between them. They pounce [tattoo] their foreheads, cheeks, arms and legs. Their hair is cut with two ridges above their foreheads, the rest is trussed up on a knot behind, they have broad mouths, reasonable fair black eyes: they lay their hands often upon their Shoulders, and cover their breasts in token of maiden-like modesty. The rest of their bodies are naked, as in the picture is to be seen. They delight also in seeing fish taken in the rivers.

Theodor de Bry was a Flemish-born engraver and publisher who based his illustrations for Hariot’s book on the New World paintings of colonist John White. These depictions of the landscapes and residents of North Carolina provided Europeans with some of their earliest notions of what the North American continent looked like. This engraving was based on White’s watercolor painting, “Indian Woman.”

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