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Title: S. 1959: Thought Crime Bill Threatens 4um Freedom
Source: Congress, Senate
URL Source: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959
Published: Aug 2, 2007
Author: Senator Susan Collins, R-ME
Post Date: 2008-01-13 09:33:52 by buckeye
Keywords: 4um
Views: 348
Comments: 22

Obama was reportedly still undecided about this bill in December of last year.

We can count on televised debate moderators not to ask him if he has made up his mind. Now is the time to speak up for your right to criticize the government, Israel-first policies, Zionism, the multinational Military Industrial Complex, the SPP, our intelligence departments, and any other thing that bothers your conscience and your sense of patriotism.

If we do not make our concerns known now, it may become increasingly difficult to either speak up in hindsight about this legislation or continue expressing yourselves about issues of political concern.

Please contact someone on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and have your opinions heard. There is a membership link there with contact links for each senator.

Democrat	Republican
Joseph I. Lieberman Chairman (ID) (CT)	Susan M. Collins Ranking Member (ME)
Carl Levin (MI)	Ted Stevens (AK)
Daniel K. Akaka (HI)	George V. Voinovich (OH)
Thomas R. Carper (DE)	Norm Coleman (MN)
Mark L. Pryor (AR)	Tom Coburn (OK)
Mary L. Landrieu (LA)	Pete V. Domenici (NM)
Barack Obama (IL)	John Warner (VA)
Claire McCaskill (MO)	John E. Sununu (NH)
Jon Tester (MT)

4 will come under scrutiny of the committees and institutes funded by this bill, you can bet on that.

Poster Comment:

Thanks to scrapper2 for mentioning this committee, and angle for suggesting that we post a thread on it.

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#1. To: All, christine, angle, scrapper2 (#0)

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buckeye  posted on  2008-01-13   9:34:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#173. To: angle, buckeye, christine (#172)

Contacting them about S1959 is pointless. The bill is not moving. Contact them about HR1955 if you want to make a difference. But hey, don't take the lobbyist's word for it.

Could you help us devise a strategy? I thought that since HR 1955 was already passed in the House, it was more important to stop it from being passed in the Senate. We know that Arbusto will sign it if it comes across his desk. These are the matched pieces of legislation, aren't they?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-13   9:37:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe I need to educate people on how bills pass through Congress. S1959 is a related bill to HR1955 but not the same bill. While you are busy fighting S1959, HR1955 could pass and be signed into law. It is the one that is passing so far. Bills DO NOT change their designations when they pass from one house to the next.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-13   9:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

While you are busy fighting S1959, HR1955 could pass and be signed into law.

HR 1955 is already passed. Does that mean the President can sign it any time, no matter what the Senate does?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-13   9:50:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

HR 1955 is already passed. Does that mean the President can sign it any time, no matter what the Senate does?

No, it has passed the House and moved to the Senate. It could die there. That's what we want. Then you have to watch S1959, they could pick that bill up and start moving it to sneak one by us.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-13   9:55:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No, it has passed the House and moved to the Senate. It could die there. That's what we want. Then you have to watch S1959, they could pick that bill up and start moving it to sneak one by us.

FF - you are the former lobbyist, I have never been one - so I yield to your experience...but...I think we need to be very careful in this instance - when you google HR 1955, the hits that come up are HR 1955/S1959 and many sites imply as per rense below that HR 1955 will be folded into S 1959 in Committee and that it's S1959 that is the hot one which will move further along the pipeline...since both bills are identical and both have been sent to the Senate Committee for Homeland Security for consideration, would they not both be considered and voted on at the same time?

Are you certain that one of them ( HR 1955) gets considered by the Committee earlier than the other (S 1959)?

Consider also that the 2 Senators, Collins and Coleman, who co-sponsored the Senate companion bill ( S1959) also sit on the Committee of Homeland Security with Collins being the Co-Chair.

In light of this, wouldn't the Committee consider both bills at the same time and possibly of folding the 2 bills into one?

Then have the Senate as a whole vote on one and then send it back to the House for a symbolic vote and since there were no changes, the bill goes to dubya thereafter. I can't imagine that they would leave S1959 under raps and pull it out of the hat in January 2009.

The 2 bills are identical except one started in the House and the other started in the Senate.

At the very least perhaps we should make our calls and send our letters and faxes and refer to HR 1955/S1959 so we cover our bases.

www.rense.com/general79/bill.htm< /a>

some cut and paste from rense - note the last sentence:

Related Legislation Other Bills with the Same Title

The list below shows legislation in this and previous sessions of Congress that had the same title as this bill. Note that bills may have multiple titles. Often bills are incorporated into other omnibus bills, and you may be able to track the status of provisions of this bill by looking for an omnibus bill below.

110th Congress: H.R. 1955 (Status: Passed House (Bipartisan support.))

*****"S.1959 began in the House, of course, as HR 1955 and passed overwhelmingly to move it on to the Senate. "******

****Also if you read further down rense's article it states:****

10/24 Sent to Senate and referred to its committtee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

BUT, in the meantime over in the Senate, Maine's Susan Collins (R) and Norm Coleman (R) were busy. On Aug. 2, she hoppered the bill we're concerned with (S 1959) as a joint effort with Harman in the House. (Coleman is listed as the only co-sponsor).

Postscript from scrapper - this is very confusing.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-13   13:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

S.1959 began in the House, of course, as HR 1955 and passed overwhelmingly to move it on to the Senate.

This is incorrect. Not sure why they think that.

Yes it would be prudent to hit both bill numbers when you call, might as well. HR1955 is farther along in the process.

Postscript from scrapper - this is very confusing.

Oh wait until you are tracking a bill and they gut it and substitute something else. They have deadlines for proposing legislation. So an issue comes up they want to deal with but the deadline has passed. They take a bill that they don't care about or isn't moving and they take the number for something else. I had it happen to two bills I was tracking this year.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-13   21:53:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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