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Title: Neo-Nazi Threatmaker (Hal Turner) Accused of Working for FBI
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Southern Povery Law Center (Hatewatch)
URL Source: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/ ... er-accused-of-working-for-fbi/
Published: Jan 11, 2008
Author: Mark Potok
Post Date: 2008-01-14 12:53:03 by Red Jones
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Views: 514
Comments: 27
Neo-Nazi Threatmaker Accused of Working for FBI by Mark Potok on January 11, 2008 New Jersey radio host Hal Turner is well known as one of the most vicious neo-Nazis in America, a man who routinely suggests killing his enemies. Railing against President Bush, he told his audience last June that “a well-placed bullet can solve a lot of problems.” He has written that “we need to start SHOOTING AND KILLING Mexicans as they cross the border” and argued that killing certain federal judges “may be illegal, but it wouldn’t be wrong.” In 2006, after he published an attack on New Jersey Supreme Court justices that also included several of their home addresses, state police massively beefed up security for the members of the court, checking on one justice’s house more than 200 times. Hal Turner is one serious extremist. He may also be on the FBI payroll. On Jan. 1, unidentified hackers electronically confronted Turner in the forum of his website for “The Hal Turner Show.” After a heated exchange, they told Turner that they had successfully hacked into his server and found correspondence with an FBI agent who is apparently Turner’s handler. Then they posted an alleged July 7 E-mail to the agent in which Turner hands over a message from someone who sent in a death threat against Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.). “Once again,” Turner writes to his handler, “my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a possible crazy.” In what is allegedly a portion of another E-mail, Turner discusses the money he is paid. On Thursday, as the E-mail exchange was heatedly discussed on a major neo-Nazi website, Turner suddenly announced he was quitting political work. “I hereby separate from the ‘pro-White’ movement,” he said, adding that he was ending his radio show immediately. “I will no longer involve myself in any aspect of it.” The FBI declined comment. “Longstanding FBI policy prohibits disclosing who may or may not provide information,” Agent Richard Kolko of the agency’s press unit said. Reached in New Jersey, Turner also declined all comment. The apparent revelation set off a torrent of criticism from experts in criminology and the use of informants. “This is clearly over the line,” said James Nolan, an associate sociology professor at West Virginia University who is an expert in police procedure and a former unit chief in the FBI’s Crime Analysis, Research and Development Unit. “Informants may be involved in drugs, and you overlook that because of the greater good. However, these are viable threats — they could be carried out — that the FBI clearly knows about. I want to see the FBI stop it.” Informants, of course, are commonly used by law enforcement agencies that have no other way of proving suspected criminal activity. “These are frightening groups whose members deserve to be investigated and infiltrated,” said Jack Levin, a criminology professor and expert on the radical right at Northeastern University. “My concern is that Turner’s methods actually are more dangerous and destructive than the evil they are seeking to cure. His threatening messages may actually inspire neo-Nazis to up the ante, to engage in even more destructive behavior.” Turner, 45, has developed a reputation as one of the hardest-line racists on the radical right since starting up his radio show seven years ago. He has routinely ranted about such things as a “Portable Nigger Lyncher” machine and slimed those he hates as “savage Negro beasts,” “bull-dyke lesbians,” “faggots” and worse. But it is his threats that are legendary. In 2006, Turner told his audience to “clean your guns, have plenty of ammunition … [and] then do what has to be done” to undocumented workers. Around the same time, he suggested that half the U.S. Congress “may have to be assassinated.” A year earlier, he suggested “drawing up lists of yeshivas,” or Jewish religious schools. He once started a website called www.killtheenemy.com for the purpose of posting photos and names of those who marched in favor of immigrant rights. Hearing that anti-racist activist Floyd Cochran was visiting Newark, N.J., last June, Turner said he had “arranged for a group of guys to physically intercept” Cochran and added that Cochran would likely “get such a beating that his next stop is going to be University Hospital.” In a July letter, Turner wrote to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which publishes the Intelligence Report: “If you do not change your stance soon, you will face a wrath of fury that you will never be able to defend yourself against. We have the ability to reach out and touch someone.” Last July, Turner posted photographs of a pro-immigrant activist being taken away by an ambulance outside Turner’s North Bergen home. “Click the images below to see how I kicked the shit out of one such douchebag,” he wrote. Reaction on the radical right to the apparent revelation was mixed, as activists tried to figure out if Turner really was an informant. But to many, there was little question it was Turner, based on the style of writing in the E-mails. “It does sound like Hal,” wrote “Varg” on the Vanguard News Network, a neo-Nazi website. “I agree,” responded “Yankee Jim.” “The Email definitely sounds like Hal.” Turner’s alleged E-mail to his FBI handler is also addressed to a detective sergeant with the New Jersey State Police who trained with the FBI Police Executive Fellowship Program in 2004. Interestingly, as long ago as May 2006, Turner wrote of a visit paid to him by the two men, saying they had come to his house to warn him that “Washington has instructed us to close you down.” In that same posting on his website, Turner described himself as the type to inspire “a whole slew of potential Timothy McVeighs. I don’t make bombs,” he added, “I make bombers.” “It’s become so routine,” Turner said of FBI visits in a 2005 interview with The (Hackensack, N.J.) Record, “they are like my private FBI agents.”
Poster Comment: and here's a related story. http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/your-taxpayer-dollars-at-work.html I think Hal Turner is suspect because of his wild behavior, such as when he called for assassination of US officials. But I also think the Southern Povery Law Center is suspect. It's possible they're both working for the same ultimate master.
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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
exactly. it's gotten to the point where we expect that undercover agents like that in our midst are normal.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Beware of anyone that preaches intolerance and violence. 99.9% of the time, they are "law enforcment" agents seeking to entrap innocent Americans. It's rather well known that state militias were infiltrated by feds, who often spouted the most extreme views and tried to prod the real members to commit illegal acts.
We have a saying in forest defense that the volunteer that comes into a meeting talking about bombs, guns, death, distruction and monkey wrenching is a government plant. I feel fortunate to have been through the experiance of detecting, uncovering and expelling plants. One kid had ID cards with both his real and given name we discovered when we investigated why he was acting the way he was. When we dropped him off at the Greyhound Depot we observed from afar and saw him get into a U.S. Government SUV with an antenna farm on the roof that had obviously been sent to pick him up. They are out there, and anyone doing anything political the powers that be do not like that don't watch out for interactive observers of this sort are making a mistake. I am here to tell you, they exist.
As Boston T. Party has said on many occasions: "The state deals in bodies." Who it is doesn't matter. That they grab a certain number of bodies and slam them through the system to show they're 'doing their job' does. Don't do anything to attract unwanted attention. America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
they do it to protect our freedom.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
And you believe the SPLC is above propagenda?? I've sent Turned $ with my email addy. I'll let u know if anyone contacts me. If they do, i'll tell them to fuck off. If they don't, this story and esp. one Mark Potok is full of shit :)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
They are the two horns of the Hegelian Dialectic. It is a pattern repeated over and over and over again - because the suckers keep falling for it - and it is not well known. People on the web are becoming more familiar with the concept and it is played in different forms. The basic form is: Create a problem. Thesis: Offer an extreme solution to the problem. Antithesis: Construct opposition to the extreme solution. (This can also be, and often is, a normal reaction to the extreme solution but it is the same effect). Solution: A compromise between the two which results in advancing the extreme agenda of the elites. Another way of expressing this is PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION. So you get: Thesis: Hal Turner - a racist pig plant. There to attract the nuts and suckers. Antithesis: Southern Poverty Law Center: The posed polar opposite (except they are not). Synthesis: A compromise that restricts liberty, allegedly counters the "racism" and is "good for all". Of course it is simply another example of covertly tightening the loop. It is Psychiatric manipulation as it is Psychiatrists employed by intelligence agencies who have largely developed the techniques. This was all carried out by the FBI under a program called CoIntelPro. The classic example, and perhaps best known, is what was done to the "Black Panthers" which began as a self-help group of inner-city Black MEN who were trying to reclaim their neighborhoods and turn things around. This of course was counter to the designs of our would-be masters - you just could not have Black MEN solving the problem government spooks/Psychiatrists had created and so they had to be destroyed. Between planted provocateurs and disinformation, such as the "Black Panther Coloring Book" they were neutralized and the iniative was destroyed. Once you start looking and researching it starts making sense and falls together. However, you have to first realize that this is to a very large degree covert mind and perception management.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Tim McVeigh was a big fan of Turner's, wasn't he? I wonder if he was in touch with him. And I wonder if Turner told the FBI what McVeigh had told him.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I want them to know, dog. I really don't give a shit. Multicultural diversity and political correctness are the death of this nation and this is my line in the sand. When it became legal to shuffle white kids on the back of employment lines, it was time to say enough. In his very crude way, Turner spoke out against it and I enjoyed him for entertainment value. If that's a crime, i'll take the collar.
www.greatdreams.com/mcveigh-patsy.htm Before McVeigh was released from the Army, McVeigh was invited to join the top notch program of Special Forces, in 1991. The Training Complex was done at Camp McCall located on the ground of Ft. Bragg, NC. We were all told early on that Tim didn't pass muster in Special Forces and was released from the Army. But Tim tells a different story. He related his story to a 'fellow' inmate in a special deal to get a favor in return. Whether Tim told the absolute truth is another matter, but Tim said that he made a deal with the Major on duty at Camp McCall to work on a special project 'off' the books (Black Ops) project. He was told that the Department of Defense would not even know he was working for them. Not only that, but when he got his assignment, it would be up to him to do the task without contacting the Major except through a special phone number. He would need to use his own resourcefulness to get the task accomplished. His first task was to go home and act disgruntled and unhappy with the army. We'll all agree he did a pretty good job at that. His next task was to get involved in right wing rhetoric and ideology. When he got involved in that, all he had to do was wait for further instructions. He would be known as a 'sleeper' agent. Since 9/11 we've heard that term many times.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! It is an interesting side note that McVeigh's personal Court Appointed Psychiatrist - who moved with him through a couple of changes in location, was one of the Psychiatrists that was connected to the CIA's Mind Control Programs. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jethro... Hardly a crime There are always Pied Pipers around. The one farthest back I recall was the John Birch Society. Took a long time for me and a lot of others to realize it. I never joined but did read it.
And in so doing you bite on the "Divide And Conquer" mind control ops to keep us ALL from uniting against a common enemy.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Many moons ago, when I and a true patriot friend did a radio show (to an audience of about 10 people in Bucks County), we had John McManus on as a guest. Well Ed, my friend, who fought on Tarawa as a 17 y/o kid, tossed Mr. M and his band of goons out of the studio after 20 mins. The man was full of wind and piss like the barber's cat. So much for his Birchers :)
I have no idea what I bite on or don't bite on. I operate on instinct, never joining groups, parties or clubs. I'm responsible for me, myself and I, and nobody else.
I think you are correct in #9. and JT is correct that we can't trust this SPLC group making accusations against Turner.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Now that was a bit of synergy. Your post and mine are complements and provide a snapshot of the larger picture.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Very narrow. You are, whether you accept it or not, responsible for the world you live in and every living, and non-living, entity within it. Until you are willing to accept THAT level of responsibility you will remain impotent. We are ALL in this together and the only way we get out of the mess is by accepting responsibility for cleaning up the mess.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Somewhere early on I read that McVeigh had been a good soldier. I suspect, he continued that way.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Some of us are old enough and pissed enough, to fail to care any longer.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Jim, ditto. They can pound their NWO squarely up their asses.
You can always find the covert FBI agent in the demonstration. He's the one holding the rock. They used to say that if you wanted to find an FBI agent all you had to do was attend a KKK rally, that most of them would be government agents.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "Jolly" West? Oh, good lord, there's your smoking gun right there.
Shut your whore mouth, Mr. President.
I never heard of this guy. In our neck of the CompanyLand, we hear Company music all day.
Thank you.
#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
You can always find the covert FBI agent in the demonstration. He's the one holding the rock.
#3. To: Red Jones (#0)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#4. To: FormerLurker (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
They are out there, and anyone doing anything political the powers that be do not like that don't watch out for interactive observers of this sort are making a mistake.
Always be polite.
Never volunteer anything.
Smile and be friendly and cheerful.
#6. To: Ferret Mike, FormerLurker (#4)
#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#9. To: Red Jones, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Ferret Mike, robin, aristeides, Peppa, tom007, Zipporah, _______, lodwick, Burkeman1, Brian S, all (#0)
and here's a related story. http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/01/your-taxpayer-dollars-at-work.html I think Hal Turner is suspect because of his wild behavior, such as when he called for assassination of US officials. But I also think the Southern Povery Law Center is suspect. It's possible they're both working for the same ultimate master.
#10. To: Red Jones (#0)
#11. To: ghostdogtxn (#8)
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#12. To: aristeides, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#10)
Tim McVeigh was a big fan of Turner's, wasn't he? I wonder if he was in touch with him. And I wonder if Turner told the FBI what McVeigh had told him.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#13. To: aristeides (#10)
"What makes this case even more interesting is that D. Louis J. West, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry at UCLA, was interviewed on CNN the day after the bombing as an expert on “terrorist behavior.”
Dr. West was the examining psychiatrist of Jack Ruby, assassin of Lee Harvey Oswald. He is also well known for his work in mind control in the 1960s and was a proponent of the use of biochip implantation to control violence.
It has been rumored that much of Dr. West's research was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency. It is now known that Dr. West will be the consulting psychiatrist for the case and that all of Mr. McVeigh's military and medical records have been closed.
Dr. West's name has been mentioned in a number of books about mind control including Jim Keith's A Casebook on Alternative 3, Walter Bowart's Operation Mind Control, and Martin Cannon's white paper, "The Controllers."
Is it just coincidence that of all the psychiatrists in the United States, Dr. West would be selected to oversee the psychiatric evaluation of Mr. McVeigh? It seems that in the eyes of the government there was good reason - something that they did not want others to see perhaps? Link: Project L.U.C.I.D. Excerpts from the book “Project L.U.C.I.D.”
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
If that's a crime,Jethro...
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
I want them to know, dog. I really don't give a shit. Multicultural diversity and political correctness are the death of this nation and this is my line in the sand. When it became legal to shuffle white kids on the back of employment lines, it was time to say enough. In his very crude way, Turner spoke out against it and I enjoyed him for entertainment value. If that's a crime, i'll take the collar.
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
The one farthest back I recall was the John Birch Society. Took a long time for me and a lot of others to realize it. I never joined but did read it.
#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)
#18. To: Original_Intent (#9)
#19. To: robin (#12)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
I have no idea what I bite on or don't bite on. I operate on instinct, never joining groups, parties or clubs. I'm responsible for me, myself and I, and nobody else.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#19)
Is it just coincidence that of all the psychiatrists in the United States, Dr. West would be selected to oversee the psychiatric evaluation of Mr. McVeigh?
The Revolution will not be televised!
#22. To: Jethro Tull. GhostDog, all (#11)
I want them to know, dog. I really don't give a shit. Multicultural diversity and political correctness are the death of this nation and this is my line in the sand. When it became legal to shuffle white kids on the back of employment lines, it was time to say enough. In his very crude way, Turner spoke out against it and I enjoyed him for entertainment value. If that's a crime, i'll take the collar.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#23. To: lodwick (#22)
Some of us are old enough and pissed enough, to fail to care any longer.
#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)
Hilarious.
Lord Acton
#25. To: Original_Intent (#13)
It is an interesting side note that McVeigh's personal Court Appointed Psychiatrist - who moved with him through a couple of changes in location, was one of the Psychiatrists that was connected to the CIA's Mind Control Programs.
#26. To: Original_Intent (#9)
Thesis: Hal Turner - a racist pig plant. There to attract the nuts and suckers.
#27. To: Original_Intent (#9)
“The individual is handicapped
by coming face-to-face
with a conspiracy so monstrous
he cannot believe it exists”
~ J. Edgar Hoover 
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