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Title: No Problems in NH Hand Count Says Local Media
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Published: Jan 17, 2008
Author: Brad Friedman
Post Date: 2008-01-17 20:35:06 by Horse
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'No Problems' in NH Hand Count Says Local Media (Who Apparently Didn't Bother to Check First with Anybody but the SoS) Also meanwhile...Out there in MSM world, where reality creates its own definition, WMUR is reporting that all is fine in New Hampshire: CONCORD, N.H. --- The continuing Democratic primary recount in New Hampshire has not found any voting problems. Well, they're sort of correct. "Voting" problems aren't the concern. As we frequently point out, the voters are still doing fine. Leave them alone. The election problems, and the horrible administration thereof, is another matter entirely. And on that front, loads of problems have been "found". But only if you bother to look at them. of course. Given WMUR's following quote from NH Sec. of State Bill Gardner, which is demonstrably wrong in 3 seconds time if you bother to look at the SoS' very own web page for hand count results, it's not a surprise that WMUR thinks everything is just rosy: "We did nine of the 12 wards in Manchester, and a lot of the votes were exactly the same," Gardner said. "Some went up by a vote or two." That is what we in the business of actual reporting would call: a lie. Check the numbers for yourself. Yeah, "a lot of the votes were exactly the same," as Gardner says. Many more were not at all the same, ranging anywhere from 5 to 8 votes off in regular cases, across almost all candidates. And before you say that's no big deal, we'll remind you that in 2004, had just 6 votes per precinct been registered in Ohio for John Kerry instead of George W. Bush, we'd have a different person sitting in the White House right now. Other than that, and the fact that Gardner has no idea where the memory cards are for his Diebold machines, and all other matter of horrible election oversight, yeah, everything's just fine in New Hampshire.
Poster Comment: Black Box Voting reported that the real problem with the recount is the lack of chain of custody for both the memory cards and for the paper ballots. Since there is no guarantee that these are the same ballots that the voters cast, we cannot say that this will be an accurate recount and we will have a free and honest election in 2008. Let's see. I have a choice between Hillary Clinton who is a Bilderberger and a criminal, John McCain who amended his statement that he does not mind if we stay in Iraq for 100 years to say that 1,000 years was just fine and Michael Bloomberg, the Independent candidate, who is a Zionist and just might be the devil incarnate. I nearly forgot Senator Lieberman's second bid for the vice-presidency. I wonder if he will run with McCain or with Bloomberg? Looks like I will be voting for Ralph Nader again. I can't be the only lifelong Republican who voted for Nader against Bush. I pride myself in saying that I never voted for either Bush father or son for any office. I think Bloomberg will jump into the race if he feels he needs to threaten one or both of the major parties and/or their candidate with $500 million in attack ads. Nobody in their right mind would vote for him. The only point of a Bloomberg candidacy is to threaten the other candidates. The man is not electable outside New York City and then only against the crazies who run for mayor of New York.
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www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=1965 Conflicting reports on recount in NH By Dangermouse | January 17, 2008 Recount Finds No Voting Problems So Far NH Recount Finds Vote Count Errors Hmmm …. Interesting that are finding errors, which is why the people who called for this need financial support. DM
www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=1991 One Response to “Please go to recent comments! BEV NEEDS HELP!” 1. amyk Says: January 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pm URGENT!!!! PLEASE READ!!!! I am sorry for breaking in on our blog, but for some reason my account is not working. Please accept my apology! Bev Harris has put out an urgent call to anyone who has a video camera or a still camera to come to Concord, NH ASAP!!! Bev has been following the cars that are carrying the ballots from the individual precincts to the Archive building where they are to be counted. She is confirming that the ballots boxes are leaving the precincts “:SEALED” and when they arrive at the Archive building where they are being kepts until tomorrow when they start the count, the boxes are ariving with the seals BROKEN. This whole thing is unbelievable. Also, Bev is saying that the ballots are suppose to be kept in a vault over night, however, they are taking the ballots out of the boxes and piling them up on the floor. When Bev tried addressed this issue, they asked her to leave. If anyone can help, please go to : 71 S. Fruit St., Concord, NH They need help video taping license plates and takig note of year, make and models of cars that are circleing the Archive building. For those who cannot go to the Archive Building and would like to join in on the “National Ron Paul Meetup Confrence Call” that is taking place right now, please call: 605-475-8500 Code-5092984 Guests: DAVID BRIGHT, Campaign Manager for Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich (for Vote Recount) ALBERT HOWARD, representing himself as the NH Primary Republican Presidential candidate who requested the official recount DR. LORA CHAMBERLAIN, D.O., Election Reform Activist, Member of the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project - focus on paper ballots BRENT TURNER, Election Reform Activist, President of Open Voting Foundation - focus on paper ballots and the use of open source software if and when voting machines are used LINDA HUNNICUTT, Granny Warrior, www.grannywarriors.com
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Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I'm too far away - I hope there are enough people close enough to nail this down. This is wide open exposure. Fingers Crossed? Check! Legs Crossed? Check! Toes Crossed? Check! Eyes scrunched and praying real hard? Check!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Absolutely incredible!
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I don't think they were expecting a recount. They got overconfident in their own infallibility in stealing elections. Psychotics are not very good at predicting the consequences of their actions.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
a. No one is going to endanger their fixed machines on a minor primary. The variance is about 1 percent. b. Bloomberg ain't running. He can beat the Repuke, but not the dem. He is not stupid, and he will not spend $500 million of his own money unless he thinks he can win. He can't.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Perfect.
They got overconfident in their own infallibility in stealing elections. Psychotics are not very good at predicting the consequences of their actions. yep!
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! good point
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! www.blackboxvoting.org/ Red Flags on the New Hampshire Primary 1-16-08: How New Hampshire is sizing up We are finding in New Hampshire: the best of the best in MOST situations, but considerable naivete and in some areas, and an alarming and wilfull negligence. Among the "best of the best" of New Hampshire situations: (1) Beautiful, community oriented hand counted paper ballots in more than one hundred jurisdictions. (2) Very democratic and participatory township structure of government, combined with very high level of representation of local areas in the state legislature (3) Amazing level of responsiveness of public officials. Secretary of State Bill Gardner, for example, answers questions personally and tirelessly from just about everyone. Many, many high level officials perfectly willing to talk with and answer all questions from the public. (4) Beautiful, participatory 100% hand counted recounts. (5) Very good public records laws. If they have it in their possession, they let you see it THAT DAY. Along those lines, Paddy Shaffer did a hand written records request today which elicited some very good information. The dream team here is in the process of editing another request as I write this. On the almost schizophrenically BAD side: (1) A reckless reliance on a sole source private contractor. Not particularly bothered that the company has private chain of custody during critical points, no policy or even apparent concern with having convicted felons involved in the voting system. (2) Use of a system with known defects without even taking any mitigation steps that other states took. (3) NO REQUIREMENT to even save the memory cards. The explanation is that they get a disk with the "program" on it. VotersUnite attorney Jon Bonifaz questioned the assistant attorney general on this closely today, because federal law requires records retention of 22 months on electronic media. New Hampshire has a haphazard policy of allowing the memory cards to be kept, or not, with a chain of custody, or not, shipping back to LHS, or not, and it's perfectly okay with New Hampshire if the memory cards are erased altogether the day after the election. They profess to believe that if they just have LHS ship them a disk containing some purported program -- BEFORE the election, when there aren't even any votes registered -- everything is okay. No one could tell us if this is the memory card program, or the GEMS database file, or the optical scan chip. They seem to have no idea what they are doing with this and I would call this wilfull ignorance,... More 1-15-08: Can recount chain of custody be rescued? At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount doesn't provide real answers. Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write more on the details later this week. I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire. Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation); Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the timing didn't work this time.) VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with documents and video to support this assessment. VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION? In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a walk-through. There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On the theory tha... Message Bev Harris Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 7492 Registered: 12-2004 Best of Black Box? Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 9:15 pm: At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount doesn't provide real answers. Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write more on the details later this week. I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire. Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation); Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the timing didn't work this time.) VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with documents and video to support this assessment. VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION? In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a walk-through. There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On the theory that cameras might catch a mental patient wandering around and invade his privacy, all videotaping would be prohibited. Now, there was 14 inches of snow yesterday and the drifts and mounds are up to 10 feet high, so the idea that a mental patient could even walk through this to the state archives to get their privacy invaded by a camera filming ballot unloading seemed preposterous. Paddy Shaffer got on the horn and called the chief of the "campus police" handling the mental hospital and he confirmed that cameras would be confiscated. We later alerted Secretary of State Bill Gardner, who called off the police video-busting rule. SECRECY IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY One official told us he thought the location of the delivered ballots should be a secret and that there would be no public observation of the intake process. We asked for the written procedures for the ballot intake and he said he hadn't been provided with any. Another member of the secretary of state's office said he could not confirm or deny that the ballots would be delivered to the archive building at all, and when you see the video of this you'll see that this was evasiveness, not lack of information. We received a verbal description of the check-in process, which included a list of locations coming in and a check-off sheet. When we asked about the observaton area the official left, then came back and said no ballots would be delivered to the archives. Later, we learned that they would, after all, be delivered to the archives but only one city at a time. No written procedures for any of this, and quite a confusing time was being had by all. "TRUST ME ELECTIONS" A member of the Kucinich campaign tried to "wave me off" from looking into ballot chain of custody this evening. Another member of the Kucinich campaign said she has 100% confidence in the ballot chain of custody, even though, when I asked, she admitted she didn't know where the ballots go after leaving the towns. This should be a huge concern for us. As the previous article, "Walking into a trap?" indicates, if you order a recount without first getting answers to the chain of custody questions, you may end up with a sham recount with stuffed or substituted ballots. No candidate's campaign should be satisfied with "trust" without asking and demanding answers to chain of custody questions. I was told by one of the Kucinich people that chain of custody has always been completely trustworthy in the past, and that I should stick to securing the memory cards and chips and not get into ballot chain of custody issues. Basing an analysis of the CURRENT chain of custody on past (or imagined) chain of custody perceptions is like saying, "I won't lock the door tonight because I have locked it in the past." WHAT'S NEXT? They are recounting Manchester ballots tomorrow. PREDICTION: They'll match all right. Exactly as Nancy Tobi predicted. This recount will be used to illustrate that the LHS-coded voting machines should be trusted. It's very difficult to prepare articles with documentation and video while spending days and nights in the field, but I hope to get more information to you shortly about some of the field work of Susan Pynchon and Melisa Urda, who visited New Hampshire election sites asking questions about ballot accounting procedures, memory card storage, and looking into various questions. They obtained a fairly horrific document from LHS Associates. Stay tuned. Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 9:34 pm:
Interesting.
Interesting. It is about to get very interesting.
www.bbvforums.org/forums/...s/8/71393.html?1200591820 Message Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 9:43 am: I found this news bite that seem to put the delivery of Diebold e-voting machines in the hands of Republicans. Here is a little exerpt of the article... "John M. Kane, president and CEO of The Kane Company, was chairman of the Maryland Republican Party from the end of 2002 until December 2006. He is also a member of the statewide steering committee for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. According to one news report, Kane has been tasked since last month with raising money for Romney in Maryland, a Democratic stronghold. His wife is a delegate on the Republican primary ballot for Romney rival Rudy Giuliani. Even in this tumultuous election season, the company's political affiliations might not raise conflict-of-interest questions were it delivering old-fashioned voting machines. But the Diebold touch-screen voting machines used in Maryland produce no paper trail and have experienced glitches that have invited close scrutiny after previous elections. A report compiled by the elections office in Montgomery County, Maryland, (immediately northwest of the District of Columbia) after the 2004 presidential election revealed that 189 machines (7 percent) there failed on election day. Of these machines, 58 wouldn't boot up and were taken out of service, and another 106 experienced frozen screens. Other counties have experienced problems with the machines as well. " Read the complete story at So they can make machines that count money but they can't count votes. Hmmm.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5568
Holy Smokes!
They got overconfident in their own infallibility in stealing elections. Psychotics are not very good at predicting the consequences of their actions. Hahahahahaha... Good one.
Holy Smokes! www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=2022 DIEBOLD problems arising already from NH… | Home Every caucus needs an RP supporter with a sign saying “make your vote count! let us know if you voted for RP!” By Ger | January 17, 2008 Most people out there who are RP supporters know what’s going on. Someone with a clip-board and a sign such as that can easily count on almost all RP voters sounding off and giving their name if they voted for RP. At the very least it would be one more anti-fraud tactic to use. A few burley guys standing close buy to counter any intimidation tactics by the NWO wouldn’t hurt either.
-nearly 100 million people- will not vote, simply for a lack of a real choice on the ballot. 100 million smart Americans with no say in how their Country is run.
Voting for Dr Paul today, we have a special pen for you.
Bev Harris is giving eye witness testimony to voter fraud. If she were witnessing any other type of crime, she could simply dial 911 and police would respond. That said, why the RP campaign failed to act immediately on the verified fraud in Sutton County, NH, is anyone’s guess. His non action, and worse his boilerplate political statement denying fraud, deflated his blimp at warp speed. We’ll never know why a seasoned politician like RP didn’t plunk down the 50k to do a recount immediately, even if he didn’t fully suspect fraud himself. That many of his supporters who filled his coffers did, would have make the investment a political astute move. The NH result was far worse that a 5% finish. It was a fatal blow that left him limping into SC/Nevada barely breathing. Tomorrow evening, after the Establishment counts the votes, this latest patriot attempt to take America back by the ballot box will be over. Hopefully then we can eliminate any future use of (s)elections as a remedy and look to other uses for the very large sum of money that was raised.
I also feel uneasy about this. Yet, someone commented that Ron Paul's eyes showed a certainly slyness in one of the debates. I don't know what I think about that. However, the fraud in NH and the way it will play out is better left to someone otther than Paul, now that we see the level of corruption and the SOS and MSM's complicity.
Live free or die.
Like his weak answer to the 911 question ("They (truthers) aren't doing me any favors"), he should have been better prepared for the fraud issue. A quick reaction in NH would have satisfied his base and ensured that his message would continue to be heard, for a little longer at least. I fully expected the assault by the media and the vote fraud, but I misjudged his apparent amateur campaign staff.
He's responsible for them.
Live free or die.
www.opednews.com/articles...n_the_ground_in_nh_3a.htm January 18, 2008 at 08:46:33 On the ground in NH: Recount Update by Bev Harris Page 1 of 2 page(s) Tell A Friend Posted by Bev Harris on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 5:30 am: Writing this last night, I was quite tired. I will post photos - the slits are not "through the box" in the sense that they are in the middle of the cardboard. They deliver the ballots in a variety of cardboard boxes. The lid of the cardboard box is taped and has various seals on it, some old, from using the box before, some new. The slits cut through any tape or seals. They don't cut into the cardboard itself, and I'm going to edit the post above to clarify that. The other thing that isn't clear from the above post is the timing. 1. We noticed the slits in the vault and confirmed when they brought the ballots out that the slits were still there. 2. Then we looked at the ballot boxes as they were being delivered. Those, too, had slits. 3. Then we visitied towns that had ballots scheduled for pickup. We had time to visit only two towns. Both towns had ballot boxes with no slits. 4. While at these towns, we waited for the pickup van to show up. When it did, we videotaped the ballot boxes already in it. 5. When we got back to the archive building where they were having the recount, we awaited the van with the ballot boxes we just videotaped. We waited quite a while. Almost everyone left, the recount ended for the day, and still no van. The van finally pulled in after all but a couple observers had gone home. We videotaped what came out of the van. It was in the same condition as what we videotaped at the towns. Of course, Butch and Hoppy knew we had been taking videotape because we did it right in front of them. 6. The normal procedure has been: - bring the incoming ballot boxes into the front door of the building - roll them through the counting room, which is a large room similar to a library reference room - from there to roll the cart containing the incoming ballot boxes through the back door of the counting room - insert key card into the warehouse area door - roll the ballots down the hall in the warehouse - open the ballot "vault" door with a key (it is a sturdy metal door but opens with a single key) - put the incoming ballots in the vault - When they will be counted, take them from the vault back into the counting room. What they did last night, with the incoming batch that we had photographed in the field, was roll them into the counting room. We waited. The handful of officials waited. These officials included Secretary of State Bill Gardner, Head of the Archive building Frank Mevers, Assistant secretary of state David Scanlan, Ballot transport drivers "Butch and Hoppy" (whose names are really Armand and Peter); Kucinich representatives Manny and Pat, a secretary of state assistant named, I think, Karen Hand. They waited. We waited. It was very odd, to me at least. The ballots were sitting in the middle of the counting room, all these officials were standing around talking quietly with each other. I assumed they were waiting for something, results sheets perhaps. I decided to stay with video ready until the ballots were wheeled back to the vault. One of the transport guys, "Hoppy" I think, then said that the ballots would not be taken to the vault that night because it was "closed" -- implying that whoever had the key was no longer there. Frank Mevers had the key. But I saw Frank Mevers. And the ballots had been moved to the vault even later the night before, because counting teams had stayed and counted up until about 7 pm. So Sally and I waited. They affixed one of these post-it peelable labels on each front door and said everyone will leave out the back door and the order was given for all to leave. We filed out the back door. I asked Secretary of State Bill Gardner why there was a change in procedure. He did not answer. I asked him again. After about three tries, he just said "it's secure." The handful of officials and the two Kucinich people hung around the back door. I asked more questions about why the ballots were being left in a room with no key card. They put one of the label stickers over the door and said "it's secure." I continued to wait with this small group of people. Finally they told us to leave and everyone left the building. We got in our car and drove a ways away. Most of the people left. Bill Gardner and Anthony Stevens stayed around for a while, standing outside the loading bay talking. Then they left. The upshot: The ballots we had videotaped in the van being transported, which arrived intact without slits, were not taken to the vault and were not kept in a location requiring keycard access last night (except that entering the building itself requires a keycard) January 18, 2008 at 08:46:33 On the ground in NH: Recount Update by Bev Harris Page 2 of 2 page(s) Tell A Friend * * * * * To put my concerns about this in context: Paddy Shaffer and I arrived at the archive building on Tuesday afternoon prepared to videotape incoming ballots as they came in that afternoon and throughout the night. We were told the (in my opinion) contrived story that no videotaping would be permitted because mental patients from a hospital about a block away might wander into the parking lot/loading area. We made a point of pressuring Bill Gardner to have this ban lifted. They had clearly been planning for ballots to begin arriving Tuesday. I asked Frank Mevers, head of the archive building, if he could walk us through the observation area where the ballot intake process would take place. At that point he went into the back, had a long phone call, and came out saying they wouldn't be delivering the ballots that night. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Use this link to go directly to full article: www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/show.cgi?-= Take action -- click here to contact your local newspaper or congress people: Tell the media to get on this story Click here to see the most recent messages sent to congressional reps and local newspapers Bev Harris is executive director of Black Box Voting, Inc. an advocacy group committed to restoring citizen oversight to elections. Contact Author Contact Editor View Other Articles by Author
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Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! I really don't understand why this is allowed to go on. This is not the first year that there has been problems with ballots.
It continues because no one is stopping them.
I think that's my point. I don't get why people as a whole allow this? What ever happened to integrity?
I think that's my point. I don't get why people as a whole allow this? What ever happened to integrity? It became old fashioned and soooooooooooooooo passe'. That is the short answer. The longer answer is that this attitude was created through Television, Movies, and skools to create that viewpoint. The other problem is that you are a part of a minority that is even aware of the widespread nature of the problem. Most people who do not pay attention to political affairs get their Nooze from the Tee Bee. Notice any big exposes on the Tee Bee? I didn't think so. Notice any stories in the "Nightly Nooze"? You won't find it there either.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Something should be done about this problem.
Thank you for the ping.
Something should be done about this problem. I agree, but I do not see any short term solution. The people who own and are using the media to do the manipulations are the people committing the fraud. Criminals are not noted for exposing themselves. Part of the problem is media concentration which has been effected by the simple device of buying up the major media. What is needed is a true alternative to the major media but the FCC which contols it will not allow it. Like any "good" regulatory agency they are controlled by the industry they are supposed to regulate. As well Bush's control of the FCC through his appointments has put in place people who are pushing loosening restrictions and fostering greater consolidation and thus tighter control of the message broadcast.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I suppose that, on the bright side, at least they're not just taking office by force. They can do it somewhat peacefully with the illusion of legitimacy. Could be worse. Just trying to put in perspective.
Could be worse. Just trying to put in perspective. Oh, and they want to maintain that illusion of legitimacy. People who think they are free and actually have a voice are less likely to revolt. Yes, it could be worse. That's their next step if they are not stopped and exposed now.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
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#2. To: Horse, FOH, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, wudidiz, robin, christine, all (#0)
#3. To: TwentyTwelve, Cynicom, angle, Peppa, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#2)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#4. To: robin (#3)
#5. To: Original_Intent, christine, FOH, Formerlurker, farmfriend, robin (#4)
This is wide open exposure.
#6. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#2)
#7. To: TwentyTwelve (#5)
#8. To: Horse (#0)
#9. To: Original_Intent (#7)
Psychotics are not very good at predicting the consequences of their actions.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#7)
I don't think they were expecting a recount.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#11. To: Mekons4 (#8)
b. Bloomberg ain't running. He can beat the Repuke, but not the dem. He is not stupid, and he will not spend $500 million of his own money unless he thinks he can win. He can't.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#12. To: robin, FOH, christine, Original_Intent, all (#11)
#13. To: TwentyTwelve (#12)
and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#14. To: TwentyTwelve (#12)
#15. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, FOH, christine, all (#13)
and the Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether.
#16. To: all (#15)
#17. To: farmfriend (#13)
#18. To: TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#17)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#19. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, FOH, christine, all (#18)
#20. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)
Bev has been following the cars that are carrying the ballots from the individual precincts to the Archive building where they are to be counted. She is confirming that the ballots boxes are leaving the precincts “:SEALED” and when they arrive at the Archive building where they are being kepts until tomorrow when they start the count, the boxes are ariving with the seals BROKEN. This whole thing is unbelievable. Also, Bev is saying that the ballots are suppose to be kept in a vault over night, however, they are taking the ballots out of the boxes and piling them up on the floor. When Bev tried addressed this issue, they asked her to leave.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover 
#21. To: Original_Intent (#7)
I don't think they were expecting a recount.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
#22. To: wudidiz (#21)
#23. To: wudidiz, FOH, Original_Intent (#20)
Bev has been following the cars that are carrying the ballots from the individual precincts to the Archive building where they are to be counted. She is confirming that the ballots boxes are leaving the precincts “:SEALED” and when they arrive at the Archive building where they are being kepts until tomorrow when they start the count, the boxes are ariving with the seals BROKEN. This whole thing is unbelievable. Also, Bev is saying that the ballots are suppose to be kept in a vault over night, however, they are taking the ballots out of the boxes and piling them up on the floor. When Bev tried addressed this issue, they asked her to leave.
#24. To: _______ (#22)
...It is estimated that the majority of Americans
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
#25. To: TwentyTwelve (#19)
Apparently, as we've seen elsewhere, voters were given the wrong pen to use and the op-scanners did not "see" this particular type of ink.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#26. To: christine, all (#6)
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
why the RP campaign failed to act immediately on the verified fraud in Sutton County, NH, is anyone’s guess. His non action, and worse his boilerplate political statement denying fraud, deflated his blimp at warp speed. We’ll never know why a seasoned politician like RP didn’t plunk down the 50k to do a recount immediately, even if he didn’t fully suspect fraud himself.
#28. To: angle (#27)
I don't know what I think about that.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
I misjudged his apparent amateur campaign staff.
#30. To: wudidiz, FOH, Original_Intent, christine, FormerLurker, robin, farmfriend, all (#20)
Holy Smokes!
#31. To: TwentyTwelve (#30)
The upshot: The ballots we had videotaped in the van being transported, which arrived intact without slits, were not taken to the vault and were not kept in a location requiring keycard access last night (except that entering the building itself requires a keycard)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#30)
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#33. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#32)
I really don't understand why this is allowed to go on. This is not the first year that there has been problems with ballots.
#34. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)
It continues because no one is stopping them.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#35. To: farmfriend, TwentyTwelve (#34)
It continues because no one is stopping them.
#36. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#35)
Notice any big exposes on the Tee Bee? I didn't think so. Notice any stories in the "Nightly Nooze"? You won't find it there either.
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
#37. To: TwentyTwelve (#30)
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
#38. To: wudidiz (#36)
Notice any big exposes on the Tee Bee? I didn't think so. Notice any stories in the "Nightly Nooze"? You won't find it there either.
#39. To: Original_Intent (#38)
“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy
so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover
#40. To: wudidiz (#39)
I suppose that, on the bright side, at least they're not just taking office by force. They can do it somewhat peacefully with the illusion of legitimacy.
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