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Title: The Curious Math of Hillary's "35 Years of Experience"
Source: The Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-e ... ous-math-of-hilla_b_82028.html
Published: Jan 18, 2008
Author: Ari Emanuel
Post Date: 2008-01-18 19:12:15 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 282
Comments: 31

Hillary Clinton keeps talking about her 35 years of experience. "I am offering 35 years of experience making change," she said in New Hampshire. "I'm not just running on a promise of change, I'm running on 35 years of change." And she repeatedly mentioned the 35 years again in this week's debate in Las Vegas.

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Well, Senator Clinton, I'm confused. I've done the math. You're 60, which means that 35 years ago you were 25. And I Googled your name, looking for all the change you were making as a 25 year old and, frankly, I'm not finding much. You were going to Yale Law School at the time -- which I'm sure was a personally transformative experience, but it's hardly the kind of change that should count on one's Presidential Training Experience resume, is it? Is that when you started your personal Working-for-Change-O-Meter?

That summer, the summer of 1972, you campaigned in Texas for George McGovern's unsuccessful presidential bid. A worthy -- if ultimately futile -- endeavor to be sure, but a notch on your Years of Change belt? Kind of a stretch, don't you think?

But as liberal as you are with your Experience Arithmetic, you are awfully stingy when it comes to the experience and background of Barack Obama.

"He was a part-time state senator for a few years," you recently said of Obama, "and then he came to the Senate and immediately started running for president," she said. "And that's his prerogative. That's his right. But I think it is important to compare and contrast our records."

For starters, the state senate in Illinois is not a full-time job, but you make it sound like he was some kind of political temp worker, just filling in when someone called in sick. But leaving that aside, why is it that you get to count your time canvassing for McGovern as working for change, but Obama's time as a community organizer and public housing advocate aren't worthy of mention? And what about his time at Harvard Law (where he was the first black president in the history of the Harvard Law Review)? Doesn't count? But your time at Yale Law does? In the now immortal words of your husband: Give me a break.

I know you are good person who is devoted to public service. But that doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to not distort your record. And to not distort the record of your opponent.

Your 35 years talking point just doesn't add up.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Good stuff - thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-18   19:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

It really doesn't matter. The writer will not vote for her anyway.

DWornock  posted on  2008-01-18   19:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

. "I am offering 35 years of experience making change,"

Author forgets to mention that Hillary was one of the prime diggers that buried Nixon.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   19:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: DWornock (#2)

It really doesn't matter. The writer will not vote for her anyway.

I would vote for the Don of the Gambino Family before I would vote for Hitlery.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-18   19:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

Hillary Clinton keeps talking about her 35 years of experience. "I am offering 35 years of experience making change," she said in New Hampshire.

If Hardee's or McDonald's has an opening maybe she can demonstrate this ability to "make change." Assuming they have guards to keep her from making off with the "change."

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-01-18   19:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

I know you are good person who is devoted to public service.

he's got to be kidding. public service is the biggest misnomer for elitist pol.

christine  posted on  2008-01-18   19:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#3)

Wasn't she more like a political groupie at that point in time?

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   19:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#6)

I choked on that line too. However, his criticism has more meaning if he really feels that way about her.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   19:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#7)

Wasn't she more like a political groupie at that point in time?

No. She worked on the legal team for Sandy Berger in the dems effort to take down Nixon.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   19:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin, christine (#8)

I know you are good person who is devoted to public service.

he's got to be kidding. public service is the biggest misnomer for elitist pol.

I choked on that line too. However, his criticism has more meaning if he really feels that way about her.

Yes, I had a definite involuntary "gag" reflex when I read that line.

The only public service Hitlery has in mind is boiled or roasted.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-18   19:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#9)

For some reason I never thought her contributions were all that vital.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   19:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#11)

She did the grunt work for Berger, rather much as a rabid dog. In fact she pushed very hard for the dems to not allow Nixon government paid lawyers. Even the dem congressmen would not go along with that.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   21:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

I think you mean Bernie Nussbaum, not Berger. wiki says she did research into impeachment.

In fact she pushed very hard for the dems to not allow Nixon government paid lawyers.

That does seem a bit unreasonable. Still for a woman who baked cookies and worked for Rose Law firm, I don't see how she can claim 35 years.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   21:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#0)

35 years of experience and yet she can't "recall" or is "not sure" about her role in recent political scandals when put on a witness stand....

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X-15  posted on  2008-01-18   22:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: X-15 (#14) (Edited)

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   22:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#13)

"Hillary's main duty on our staff has been described by as "establishing the legal procedures to be followed in the course of the inquiry and impeachment." A number of the procedures she recommended were ethically flawed. And I also concluded that she had violated House and committee rules by disclosing confidential information to unauthorized persons.

Hillary had conferred personally with me regarding procedural rules. I advised her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader Tip O'Neill and I had previously agreed not to advocate anything contrary to the rules already adopted and published for that Congress. I quoted Mr. O'Neill's statement that: "To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series."

Hillary assured me that she had not drafted and would not advocate any such rules changes. I soon learned that she had lied: She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them.

In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. This, though in our then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   22:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16) (Edited)

By far and away her most imp responsibility was keeping an ample supply of Shout stain remover readily available.

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#18. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#17)

It is difficult to find info regarding she and Nixon. Much has disappeared.

I always remembered that her hate for Nixon was so great that she wanted Congress to forbid Nixon legal representation by government paid lawyers.

I was paying attention way back then.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   22:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

I always remembered that her hate for Nixon was so great that she wanted Congress to forbid Nixon legal representation by government paid lawyers.

Thanks for the refresher, I remember reading that a few years back now that you mention it. What lengths would she go to in punishing the rest of the citizenry if she were to be elected POTUS?? She has the apparent psychological characteristics of a person who would go mad with power and abuse her office.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-01-18   22:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: X-15 (#19)

Hillary was a hateful person then and a very vile person now. Lust for power is in itself evil.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   22:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: robin (#13)

You may be correct about Berger. I will check. Never use or trust wiki.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   22:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: X-15 (#14)

she can't "recall"

I guess not, and when she does it is completely "inaccurate".

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   22:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#18)

It is difficult to find info regarding she and Nixon. Much has disappeared.

No doubt.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-18   23:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robin (#22) (Edited)

I guess not, and when she does it is completely "inaccurate".

True. She has a pathological aversion to telling the whole story.

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X-15  posted on  2008-01-18   23:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15 (#24)

I do not recall Hillary ever mentioning that she was an eager beaver in bringing down Nixon, of course the MSM rarely mentions it. It has always made me wonder just how she came to be on the get Nixon team anyway.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-18   23:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

hahahahahaha

christine  posted on  2008-01-19   0:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#26)

If she is elected as POTUS, I wonder if they will have a returning the gift, silverware and china ceremony to commemorate the return of that which they pillaged upon leaving the White House the first time.

Now, that would be interesting to watch. Not that the stuff would stay there the next time they leave anyway. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-19   0:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#27)

If she is elected as POTUS, I wonder if they will have a returning the gift, silverware and china ceremony to commemorate the return of that which they pillaged upon leaving the White House the first time.

Funny, that's an image I haven't gotten over either. They would no doubt demand new stuff though.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-19   0:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#27)

I suspect Hillary has intentions of stealing greater things from Americans than the silver.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-19   0:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#29)

how true

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robin  posted on  2008-01-19   0:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robin (#30)

There is an old joke about what you do if Bill and Hillary are coming to visit you. It is so bad I cannot post it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-19   0:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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