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Title: Warning on rising Med Sea levels
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7197379.stm
Published: Jan 19, 2008
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2008-01-19 00:25:26 by robin
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Views: 1328
Comments: 130
The level of the Mediterranean Sea is rising rapidly and could increase by up to half a metre in the next 50 years, scientists in Spain have warned. A study by the Spanish Oceanographic Institute says levels have been rising since the 1970s with the rate of increase growing in recent years. It says even a small rise could have serious consequences in coastal areas. The study noted that the findings were consistent with other investigations into the effects of climate change. The study, entitled Climate Change in the Spanish Mediterranean, said the sea had risen "between 2.5mm and 10mm (0.1 and 0.4in) per year since the 1990s". If the trend continued it would have "very serious consequences" in low-lying coastal areas even in the case of a small rise, and "catastrophic consequences" if a half-metre increase occurred, the study warned. Global climate change Scientists noted that sea temperatures had also risen significantly by 0.12 to 0.5C since the 1970s. Sea level rise is a key effect of global climate change. There are two major contributory effects: the melting of ice, and expansion of sea water as the oceans warm. Last month, a study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the world's sea levels could rise twice as much this century as UN climate scientists had previously predicted. The Nobel Prize-winning IPCC predicted a maximum sea level rise of 81cm (32in) this century.
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#36. To: farmfriend (#32)
Apparently so. If people are the problem, we must all curtail ourselves.
You have to read these things a little more carefully. This is not science nor is it proof of anything.
I wonder how many people will simply dismiss that info with "oh well, it doesn't affect me"?
Nope, but I DO have a problem with you.
They already weigh 55 pounds less than 30 years ago.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The disinfo is intended to increase the apathy with confusion. That way Exxon and Halliburton may continue their policies and profits with fewer objections.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! LIAR. It's not the first whopper of a lie I've seen you post, and I'm sure it won't be the last... I sometimes wonder if you might be a new and improved version of someone that used to haunt LP a year or so ago.. I'm just waiting for a ROTFLOL from you in order to be sure..
No, it doesn't. CO2 follows temperature. Temperatures go up, then CO2 goes up. Mostly from evaporating oceans. I never said that. What I said, for the record, is that Thimerisol in vaccines was not a contributing factor in autism. If it was, autism would have gone down when they removed thimerisol from the vaccines. It didn't.
Or fire bombings of SUVs.
The oceans mostly ABSORB the WORLD'S CO2 from ALL the WORLD'S sources, of which the ocean itself is a MINOR source, as the only CO2 produced by the oceans are in isolated regions in the equatorial lattitudes.
You stated that it was not a cause for concern. I'm fairly certain that NO amount of mercury in the system is a GOOD amount of mercury, thus there is absolutely ZERO good reason to place it into vaccines that will be injected into humans.
I'm not lying. Research the studies yourself. Google is your friend. Polar bear populations have been increasing. They are not endangered. I have only had one registration at LP, farmfriend. I used it for all my registrations until it was banned by FR. Who I am was well known on both LP and FR. There is at least one person on this forum who has met me in real life. There were several on LP who knew my real name and worked with me on property rights. There are a few from FR who met me and worked with me. I don't know who you think I was but I'm too well known for that one to fly.
You are misrepresenting what I said but that is not surprising. I repeat, what I said was that thimerisol in vaccines was not a contributing factor in autism.
Mixing the fringe environmental wackos into the mix would also suit their purpose. The majority of scientists believe something new is going on, and they are concerned. How much is man made and how much is a natural cycle is not clear. Just as all the consequences are unknown, so are all the causes.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! LOL! Now that is funny. You really don't read the science do you. The ocean is not a minor source, it is the main source. Man only contributes 3%.
"Their" purpose? Serious talk about global warming as if it were man-made is all it takes. That's well-supported in every element of our mass media, our educational institutions from grade school and beyond, and in our government. Even Bush "acknowledges" it, whatever he thinks he means. The violent environmentalists don't need any conspiracy other than the information we are constantly bombarded with seeming to prove that human CO2 is the root cause of impending disaster. These words mean things, and we should not be surprised when some people take them too seriously.
Are you or are you not aware of the fact that the oceans are the world's largest CO2 sink? Do you know what a CO2 sink is?
I wonder if they could be a black op or false flag paid for by Exxon. They only make the Global Climate Change argument look bad.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! BP and Shell.
Those that ignore the problem are simply part of the problem itself. Words DO have meaning, too bad there are some that refuse to attempt to understand them.
Polar bears drown, islands appear in Arctic thaw Polar bears are drowning and receding Arctic glaciers have uncovered previously unknown islands in a drastic thaw that is being blamed on global warming. Signs of huge changes are appearing around the Arctic region due to unusual warmth. Rune Bergstrom, the environmental adviser to the Governor of Svalbard, a Norwegian archipelago about 1,000 kilometres from the North Pole, says islands as large as 300 metres by 100 metres have been revealed. "We know about three new islands this year that have been uncovered because the glaciers have retreated," he said. The head of England's Scott Polar Research Institute, Julian Dowdeswell, says that during a trip this northern summer he saw polar bears that had apparently been stranded at sea by melting ice. "We saw a couple of polar bears in the sea east of Svalbard - one of them looked to be dead and the other one looked to be exhausted," he said. The bears generally live around the fringes of the ice, where they find it easiest to hunt seals. NASA projected this week that Arctic sea ice is likely to recede in 2006 to a point close to a low recorded in 2005, as part of a melting trend in recent decades. ...
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Do you understand the concept of oceanic CO2 exchange?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index...title=World_Wildlife_Fund Sir Julian Huxley, and the Eugenics Society would be proud. We apparently need fewer, better, more efficient people in order to protect the fuzzy animals.
I am aware of that and I NEVER said it wasn't. I have even repeated this on other threads but apparently you don't read what I post. Being a NET sink doesn't preclude it from also being the major source. You don't seem to get that part and because you don't get that you try to twist what I say into something it's not. Let me use small example numbers so you get it this time. If the over all contribution to CO2 was 10 and the oceans contributed 8 of that but then took back 9 it would be a net sink but the largest contributor.
Better than you apparently.
Faster carbon dioxide emissions will overwhelm capacity of land and ocean to absorb carbon Oceans’ uptake of global CO2 emissions has halved in the last decade
Methane hydrates and global warming A little good news: Scientists Find Good News About Methane Bubbling Up From The Ocean Floor Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Don't get cute with me farmfriend, answer the question. Do you understand that the oceans are the world's largest CO2 sink, and do you understand oceanic CO2 exchange? I doubt you do, because if you did, you wouldn't be spewing what you're spewing...
Faster carbon dioxide emissions will overwhelm capacity of land and ocean to absorb carbon Computer models are not science and prove nothing. Oceans’ uptake of global CO2 emissions has halved in the last decade I doubt you do, because if you did, you wouldn't be spewing what you're spewing... I'm not getting cute with you and I'm not spewing anything. I've explained it several times already. You didn't read what I posted the first time, why should I repeat it?
You are tying to say that the oceans are putting more CO2 into the atmosphere than any other source, whereas the TRUTH of the matter is they REMOVE more CO2 from the atmosphere than any other source. So regardless of what you claim or imply you've said in the past, your assertion that the oceans are the major cause of CO2 in the atmosphere is either a huge error on your part, or a huge lie.
You conveniently left out this part... Harrabin said the saturation of the oceans would “leave all our emissions to warm the atmosphere”. Of all the CO2 emitted into the atmosphere, only half of it stays there; the rest goes into carbon sinks. There are two major natural carbon sinks: the oceans and the land “biosphere”. They are equivalent in size and absorb a quarter of all CO2 emissions each. (ANI) So regardless of what you claim or imply you've said in the past, your assertion that the oceans are the major cause of CO2 in the atmosphere is either a huge error on your part, or a huge lie. Did you even read my post #59? You seem to think being a major source and a sink are mutually exclusive. They're not. Ocean outgassing is the largest source of CO2. It is however also a NET sink. For someone who keeps talking about how words have meaning you seem to leave that one word "net" out. It's the most important one.
LOL! Believing is not science either, it's religion!
Uh huh. From the link.. The studies were supported by the National Science Foundation, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, LBNL and the Ocean and Climate Change Institute of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Her colleagues on the paper looking at spring and summer CO2 uptake in northern climes were A. Angert, S. Biraud, C. Bonfils, C. C. Henning and W. Buermann of the Berkeley Atmospheric Sciences Center; and J. Pinzon and C. J. Tucker of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. So farmfriend, what do YOUR experts use to determine their "findings", tea leaves, or do they simply use a magic eight ball?
You neglected to say that, and outright REFUSED to acknowledge it in previous discussions. Can you also admit that it's the world's LARGEST sink?
Do you believe in gravity? Do you believe that you know what gravity is?
No. Like traditional scientists they use observations and verifications.
So the ocean is the major sink, it is also a minor source, but obviously as you point out in post #45 here, the major sink.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! No I didn't. I have said it on every thread. Repeatedly. Claiming I haven't doesn't make it true. If that would make you happy, yes they are the largest sink. What does that prove? Nothing! They are still the largest source, man's contribution is only 3%.
It is not a "minor" source. It is the major source. It is a "net" sink meaning it absorbs more than it outgasses. The distinction is key.
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#37. To: robin (#34)
according to some computer models
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#38. To: robin (#34)
Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them, according to the most comprehensive international assessment ever done of Arctic climate change.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#39. To: farmfriend (#32)
So you have a problem with yourself?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#40. To: All (#34)
The sea ice in Hudson Bay, Canada, now breaks up 2 1/2 weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Canadian Wildlife Service research scientist Ian Stirling, and as a result female polar bears there weigh 55 pounds less than they did then. Assuming the current rate of ice shrinkage and accompanying weight loss in the Hudson Bay region, bears there could become so thin by 2012 they may no longer be able to reproduce, said Lara Hansen, chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#41. To: FormerLurker (#38)
I wonder how many people will simply dismiss that info with "oh well, it doesn't affect me"?
The Revolution will not be televised!
#42. To: farmfriend (#31)
LOL! Right, that's why bear populations have been increasing.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#43. To: FormerLurker (#35)
but it DOES lead to higher tempertures,
Oh that's right, mercury is good for you, isn't it...
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#44. To: robin (#41)
The disinfo is intended to increase the apathy with confusion.
#45. To: farmfriend (#43)
Mostly from evaporating oceans.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#46. To: farmfriend (#43)
I never said that.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#47. To: FormerLurker (#42)
LIAR. It's not the first whopper of a lie I've seen you post, and I'm sure it won't be the last...
I sometimes wonder if you might be a new and improved version of someone that used to haunt LP a year or so ago.. I'm just waiting for a ROTFLOL from you in order to be sure..
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#48. To: FormerLurker (#46)
You stated that it was not a cause for concern. I'm fairly certain that NO amount of mercury in the system is a GOOD amount of mercury, thus there is absolutely ZERO good reason to place it into vaccines that will be injected into humans.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#49. To: buckeye (#44)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#50. To: FormerLurker (#45)
The oceans mostly ABSORB the WORLD'S CO2 from ALL the WORLD'S sources, of which the ocean itself is a MINOR source, as the only CO2 produced by the oceans are in isolated regions in the equatorial lattitudes.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#51. To: robin (#49)
Mixing the fringe environmental wackos into the mix would also suit their purpose.
#52. To: farmfriend (#50)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#53. To: buckeye (#51)
(Edited)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#54. To: robin (#40)
chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#55. To: buckeye (#51)
The violent environmentalists don't need any conspiracy other than the information we are constantly bombarded with seeming to prove that human CO2 is the root cause of impending disaster.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#56. To: All (#53)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#57. To: farmfriend (#50)
You really don't read the science do you.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#58. To: farmfriend (#54)
#59. To: FormerLurker (#52)
Are you or are you not aware of the fact that the oceans are the world's largest CO2 sink? Do you know what a CO2 sink is?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#60. To: FormerLurker (#57)
Do you understand the concept of oceanic CO2 exchange?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#61. To: buckeye, farmfriend, robin, wudidiz (#58)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61)
(Edited)
About half of these bubbles dissolve into the ocean, but the fate of this dissolved methane remains uncertain. Researchers at the University of California, Santa Barbara have discovered that only one percent of this dissolved methane escapes into the air –– good news for the Earth's atmosphere.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#63. To: farmfriend (#60)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)
BERKELEY – One in a new generation of computer climate models that include the effects of Earth's carbon cycle indicates there are limits to the planet's ability to absorb increased emissions of carbon dioxide.
Environment analyst Roger Harrabin said: “The researchers don't know if the change is due to climate change or to natural variations”.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#65. To: FormerLurker (#63)
Don't get cute with me farmfriend, answer the question. Do you understand that the oceans are the world's largest CO2 sink, and do you understand oceanic CO2 exchange?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#66. To: farmfriend (#65)
I've explained it several times already. You didn't read what I posted the first time, why should I repeat it?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#67. To: farmfriend (#64)
Environment analyst Roger Harrabin said: “The researchers don't know if the change is due to climate change or to natural variations”.
“But they say it is a tremendous surprise and very worrying because there were grounds for believing that in time the ocean might become 'saturated' with our emissions - unable to soak up any more,” the BBC quoted him as saying.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#68. To: FormerLurker (#66)
You are tying to say that the oceans are putting more CO2 into the atmosphere than any other source, whereas the TRUTH of the matter is they REMOVE more CO2 from the atmosphere than any other source.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)
But they say it is a tremendous surprise and very worrying because there were grounds for believing
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#70. To: farmfriend (#64)
Computer models are not science and prove nothing.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#71. To: farmfriend (#68)
It is however also a NET sink.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#72. To: farmfriend (#69)
LOL! Believing is not science either, it's religion!
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#73. To: FormerLurker (#70)
So farmfriend, what do YOUR experts use to determine their "findings", tea leaves, or do they simply use a magic eight ball?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#74. To: FormerLurker (#45)
The oceans mostly ABSORB the WORLD'S CO2 from ALL the WORLD'S sources, of which the ocean itself is a MINOR source, as the only CO2 produced by the oceans are in isolated regions in the equatorial lattitudes.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#75. To: FormerLurker (#71)
You neglected to say that, and outright REFUSED to acknowledge it in previous discussions.
Can you also admit that it's the world's LARGEST sink?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#76. To: robin (#74)
So the ocean is the major sink, it is also a minor source,
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
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