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Title: Warning on rising Med Sea levels
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7197379.stm
Published: Jan 19, 2008
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2008-01-19 00:25:26 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 1711
Comments: 130

Warning on rising Med Sea levels

Generic boat on Mediterranean Sea

Scientists noted sea temperatures had also risen significantly

The level of the Mediterranean Sea is rising rapidly and could increase by up to half a metre in the next 50 years, scientists in Spain have warned.

A study by the Spanish Oceanographic Institute says levels have been rising since the 1970s with the rate of increase growing in recent years.

It says even a small rise could have serious consequences in coastal areas.

The study noted that the findings were consistent with other investigations into the effects of climate change.

The study, entitled Climate Change in the Spanish Mediterranean, said the sea had risen "between 2.5mm and 10mm (0.1 and 0.4in) per year since the 1990s".

If the trend continued it would have "very serious consequences" in low-lying coastal areas even in the case of a small rise, and "catastrophic consequences" if a half-metre increase occurred, the study warned.

Global climate change

Scientists noted that sea temperatures had also risen significantly by 0.12 to 0.5C since the 1970s.

Sea level rise is a key effect of global climate change. There are two major contributory effects: the melting of ice, and expansion of sea water as the oceans warm.

Last month, a study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the world's sea levels could rise twice as much this century as UN climate scientists had previously predicted.

The Nobel Prize-winning IPCC predicted a maximum sea level rise of 81cm (32in) this century.

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#1. To: All, *Global Climate Change* (#0)

robin  posted on  2008-01-19   0:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#1)

Every year billions of tons of earth get washed into the sea, raising sea levels. In 100 million years, mountains become plains. Most people, except for the scientific, believe short term trends will continue.

Global temperature changes for number of reasons and none are man made. One is because the sun has a variable output another is due to the wobble of the earth. The current warm period will reverse in about 20 years and we will start a cooling trend that will make most humans wish it was warmer.

When certain astronomical events occur all at once, there will be another ice age and with our present technology man will be unable to prevent it. If an ice age occurs with man's present level of technology, billions of people will die. Well, they will die anyway; but the the death rate will exceed the birth rate to such an extent that the population of the earth will be billions less. We are advancing toward a Type I civilization. Such a civilization should be able to prevent an ice age.

DWornock  posted on  2008-01-19   1:57:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: DWornock (#3)

Global temperature changes for number of reasons and none are man made.

Most scientists agree that global warming is at least in part man made; and most of those who disagree are paid by Exxon.

We all need to keep an open mind. Most scientists are apolitical, but not all of them. I'm sure you can find politics involved on both sides, in an attempt to control us and lead us astray. Certainly Big Oil has obvious reasons for wanting to confuse the facts on this issue.

www.motherjones.com/news/.../05/some_like_it_hot.html
News: Forty public policy groups have this in common: They seek to undermine the scientific consensus that humans are causing the earth to overheat. And they all get money from ExxonMobil.

Cold comfort in British Antarctic deep ice core results

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Submitted by Fred Bortz on Tue, 2006-09-05 08:52.

A BBC News story reports findings from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that the rate of increase of atmospheric greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere is unprecedented, at least over the past 800,000 years.

Studying a deep ice core sample, the scientists have not only been able to measure the greenhouse gas concentrations in ancient atmospheres but also the average temperatures. The result, according to the BBC report, is that carbon dioxide concentration and temperature rise and fall in lockstep.

The report quotes BAS scientist Dr. Eric Wolff, who saw no signs that geological or biological systems have served as CO2 sinks to mitigate the increases.

Wolff told the BBC that the fastest observed increase in CO2 was about 30 parts per million (ppm) in 1000 years, in contrast to present circumstances in which "the last 30 ppm of increase has occurred in just 17 years. We really are in the situation where we don't have any analogue in our records."

robin  posted on  2008-01-19   12:24:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin, DWornock, Andre (#4)

Studying a deep ice core sample, the scientists have not only been able to measure the greenhouse gas concentrations in ancient atmospheres but also the average temperatures.

Ice cores are not good proxies for past climate and atmosphere concentrations. I have a friend who is writing a paper for publication on this right now in relation to the Younger Dryas.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-19   18:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: farmfriend, wudidiz (#12)

I have a friend who is writing a paper for publication on this right now in relation to the Younger Dryas.

You appear to have a lot of "friends" that attempt to say there is no such thing as global warming. Why are these people your friends?

Don't you care if the earth becomes uninhabitable, with all of our children and grandchildren suffering horrible deaths in the not too distant future, if global warming turns out to be true? Why are you so willing to gamble with the earth's future, and why do you support those that wish to continue to pollute the planet, regardless of global warming?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-19   19:03:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz, robin, buckeye, DWornock, *Agriculture-Environment* (#15)

Here is a quote from another one of my friends on AGW:

There are several climate forcing solar cycles at play. The "Maunder" cycle, which brought the Medieval Warm period 300-year Little ice Age 1400-1700 is a 1 000 year cycle, and the next LIA is due in 2400- 2700. We are now at the end of a 210 year Vries cycle and a 60 year Gleissberg cycle. In a few years, temperatures will plunge and the Londonders can look forward to ice markets on the Thames for the first time since 1814. The ensuing global famine is less amusing. The warmest years in Uppsala, Sweden were 1789, 1930 and 1999, all 7,7 degrees Celsius. In 1801 it was 6,0 and in 1805 3,7. In the famine year of of 1868, it was 2,5. This kind of sudden drop is typical of a Vries cycle, and today it is once more imminent. AGW and environmentalism will have its place in history alongside the witch processes.

Magnus Hagelstam, Finland

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-19   19:10:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend, wudidiz, robin, buckeye, DWornock, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, christine (#16)

Don't you care if the earth becomes uninhabitable, with all of our children and grandchildren suffering horrible deaths in the not too distant future, if global warming turns out to be true? Why are you so willing to gamble with the earth's future, and why do you support those that wish to continue to pollute the planet, regardless of global warming?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-19   19:17:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#23)

It is rapid Global Climate Change. That cooling follows warming and warming follows cooling is part of what we must learn to deal with.

Currently, the ice sheets are breaking and melting, leaving polar bears to drown. The Northwest passage is open. The sea levels are rising.

news.nationalgeographic.c...17-northwest-passage.html

Climate models had projected the passage would eventually open as warming temperatures melted the Arctic sea ice—but no one had predicted it would happen this soon.

"We're probably 30 years ahead of schedule in terms of the loss of the Arctic sea ice," said Mark Serreze, a senior scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.

"We're on this fast track of change."

This should concern the people who inhabit earth.

robin  posted on  2008-01-19   19:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: All (#27)

Study Says Polar Bears Could Face Extinction

Warming Shrinks Sea Ice Mammals Depend On

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, November 9, 2004; Page A13

Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them, according to the most comprehensive international assessment ever done of Arctic climate change.

The thinning of sea ice -- which is projected to shrink by at least half by the end of the century and could disappear altogether, according to some computer models -- could determine the fate of many other key Arctic species, said the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, the product of four years of work by more than 300 scientists. ....

The sea ice in Hudson Bay, Canada, now breaks up 2 1/2 weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Canadian Wildlife Service research scientist Ian Stirling, and as a result female polar bears there weigh 55 pounds less than they did then. Assuming the current rate of ice shrinkage and accompanying weight loss in the Hudson Bay region, bears there could become so thin by 2012 they may no longer be able to reproduce, said Lara Hansen, chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...cles/A35233-2004Nov8.html

robin  posted on  2008-01-19   19:27:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#34)

The sea ice in Hudson Bay, Canada, now breaks up 2 1/2 weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Canadian Wildlife Service research scientist Ian Stirling, and as a result female polar bears there weigh 55 pounds less than they did then. Assuming the current rate of ice shrinkage and accompanying weight loss in the Hudson Bay region, bears there could become so thin by 2012 they may no longer be able to reproduce, said Lara Hansen, chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.

They already weigh 55 pounds less than 30 years ago.

robin  posted on  2008-01-19   19:31:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: robin (#40)

chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.

BP and Shell.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-19   20:00:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: farmfriend (#54)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index...title=World_Wildlife_Fund

Sir Julian Huxley, and the Eugenics Society would be proud. We apparently need fewer, better, more efficient people in order to protect the fuzzy animals.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   20:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeye, farmfriend, robin, wudidiz (#58)

Faster carbon dioxide emissions will overwhelm capacity of land and ocean to absorb carbon

Oceans’ uptake of global CO2 emissions has halved in the last decade

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-19   20:08:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Faster carbon dioxide emissions will overwhelm capacity of land and ocean to absorb carbon

BERKELEY – One in a new generation of computer climate models that include the effects of Earth's carbon cycle indicates there are limits to the planet's ability to absorb increased emissions of carbon dioxide.

Computer models are not science and prove nothing.

Oceans’ uptake of global CO2 emissions has halved in the last decade

Environment analyst Roger Harrabin said: “The researchers don't know if the change is due to climate change or to natural variations”.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-01-19   20:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#67. To: farmfriend (#64)

Environment analyst Roger Harrabin said: “The researchers don't know if the change is due to climate change or to natural variations”.

You conveniently left out this part...

“But they say it is a tremendous surprise and very worrying because there were grounds for believing that in time the ocean might become 'saturated' with our emissions - unable to soak up any more,” the BBC quoted him as saying.

Harrabin said the saturation of the oceans would “leave all our emissions to warm the atmosphere”.

Of all the CO2 emitted into the atmosphere, only half of it stays there; the rest goes into carbon sinks.

There are two major natural carbon sinks: the oceans and the land “biosphere”. They are equivalent in size and absorb a quarter of all CO2 emissions each. (ANI)

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-19 20:26:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: farmfriend (#64)

Computer models are not science and prove nothing.

Uh huh.

From the link..

The studies were supported by the National Science Foundation, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, LBNL and the Ocean and Climate Change Institute of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

Her colleagues on the paper looking at spring and summer CO2 uptake in northern climes were A. Angert, S. Biraud, C. Bonfils, C. C. Henning and W. Buermann of the Berkeley Atmospheric Sciences Center; and J. Pinzon and C. J. Tucker of NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

So farmfriend, what do YOUR experts use to determine their "findings", tea leaves, or do they simply use a magic eight ball?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-19 20:30:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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