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Title: Warning on rising Med Sea levels
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7197379.stm
Published: Jan 19, 2008
Author: BBC
Post Date: 2008-01-19 00:25:26 by robin
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Views: 1616
Comments: 130
The level of the Mediterranean Sea is rising rapidly and could increase by up to half a metre in the next 50 years, scientists in Spain have warned. A study by the Spanish Oceanographic Institute says levels have been rising since the 1970s with the rate of increase growing in recent years. It says even a small rise could have serious consequences in coastal areas. The study noted that the findings were consistent with other investigations into the effects of climate change. The study, entitled Climate Change in the Spanish Mediterranean, said the sea had risen "between 2.5mm and 10mm (0.1 and 0.4in) per year since the 1990s". If the trend continued it would have "very serious consequences" in low-lying coastal areas even in the case of a small rise, and "catastrophic consequences" if a half-metre increase occurred, the study warned. Global climate change Scientists noted that sea temperatures had also risen significantly by 0.12 to 0.5C since the 1970s. Sea level rise is a key effect of global climate change. There are two major contributory effects: the melting of ice, and expansion of sea water as the oceans warm. Last month, a study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the world's sea levels could rise twice as much this century as UN climate scientists had previously predicted. The Nobel Prize-winning IPCC predicted a maximum sea level rise of 81cm (32in) this century.
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#18. To: buckeye (#13)
My concern is twofold. First is the fact that globnl warming is deadly serious, and if it IS true, could be fatal for mankind if allowed to continue unabated. Secondly, I'm concerned that otherwise rational people are being conditioned to not be concered about the matter. The info IS conflicting, perhaps purposely so. Regardless of individual motivations, it IS a fact that global warming is occuring, with natural events certainly playing a role, however it is more than likely ALSO true that man-made pollution is a factor as well.
There are a LOT of intelligent people that understand the climate and the science behind it, that are saying the OPPOSITE of what you believe, and what your "friends" say. So your answer is quite lame and evasive.
BTW, you never explained what you mean by "AGW"..
I see more people worrying about it than not. I think the hysteria is with the worriers. There's a lot to analyze and discuss over the next couple of hundred years, but if we start limiting our potential because of fears that might or might not be valid, we'll certainly do more damage than if we simply ignore the danger. The biggest concern I have is the collectivism being advocated as a solution. Carbon credits are the biggest Stalinist nightmare I've seen in a long time. Fear is what we have most to fear, especially since 9/11.
The risks are much greater with global cooling though. Nothing catastrophic happened during the medieval warm period and it was much warmer then. We even call it climate optimum. However, the little ice age was very devastating. Historically cooling periods have always been worse than warming periods. So if your concern were genuine you would be preparing for cooling.
Don't you care if the earth becomes uninhabitable, with all of our children and grandchildren suffering horrible deaths in the not too distant future, if global warming turns out to be true? Why are you so willing to gamble with the earth's future, and why do you support those that wish to continue to pollute the planet, regardless of global warming?
Hysteria.
So global cooling is melting the glaciers and ice caps uh? And federal deficits are a good thing, as printing more money means everybody gets more of it, right?
Global cooling is much more likely to do that. It always has historically. CO2 is not a pollutant! Man only contributes 3%. CO2 follows temperature. Cause does not follow effect.
It is rapid Global Climate Change. That cooling follows warming and warming follows cooling is part of what we must learn to deal with. Currently, the ice sheets are breaking and melting, leaving polar bears to drown. The Northwest passage is open. The sea levels are rising. news.nationalgeographic.c...17-northwest-passage.html Climate models had projected the passage would eventually open as warming temperatures melted the Arctic sea ice—but no one had predicted it would happen this soon. "We're probably 30 years ahead of schedule in terms of the loss of the Arctic sea ice," said Mark Serreze, a senior scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado. "We're on this fast track of change." This should concern the people who inhabit earth.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! You don't know that. I have a problem with people that dismiss science and believe what they are told by those with an agenda. I think caution is certainly the best policy here, especially when it comes to the future of mankind. Of course, if mankind is at a point where it doesn't care about it's own future, perhaps it deserves whatever fate awaits it...
No that would be the increased sun spots over the last 3 sun cycles.
Serious talk of global taxation using the United Nations should, at this time, concern them much, much more. We can live without polar bears, but we can't live without our economic freedom.
LOL! Right, that's why bear populations have been increasing.
So you have a problem with yourself?
AGW = Anthropogenic Global Warming And yes I have explained it.
Warming Shrinks Sea Ice Mammals Depend On By Juliet Eilperin Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them, according to the most comprehensive international assessment ever done of Arctic climate change. The thinning of sea ice -- which is projected to shrink by at least half by the end of the century and could disappear altogether, according to some computer models -- could determine the fate of many other key Arctic species, said the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, the product of four years of work by more than 300 scientists. .... The sea ice in Hudson Bay, Canada, now breaks up 2 1/2 weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Canadian Wildlife Service research scientist Ian Stirling, and as a result female polar bears there weigh 55 pounds less than they did then. Assuming the current rate of ice shrinkage and accompanying weight loss in the Hudson Bay region, bears there could become so thin by 2012 they may no longer be able to reproduce, said Lara Hansen, chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund. Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! CO2 is a by-product of various man-made emissions. It goes hand in hand with hydrocarbon emissions. But why stop there, what about the coal burning plants that in addition to CO2 dump enormous quanitites of mercury into the lakes, rivers, streams, and oceans, making it close to impossible to find fish that don't contain dangerous levels of mercury. Oh that's right, mercury is good for you, isn't it... In any case, CO2 by itself is not a pollutant, but it DOES lead to higher tempertures, so if we add CO2 to an already overtaxed environment, we are playing with fire if we simply ignore it and continue as if there is "nothing to see here".
Apparently so. If people are the problem, we must all curtail ourselves.
You have to read these things a little more carefully. This is not science nor is it proof of anything.
I wonder how many people will simply dismiss that info with "oh well, it doesn't affect me"?
Nope, but I DO have a problem with you.
They already weigh 55 pounds less than 30 years ago.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The disinfo is intended to increase the apathy with confusion. That way Exxon and Halliburton may continue their policies and profits with fewer objections.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! LIAR. It's not the first whopper of a lie I've seen you post, and I'm sure it won't be the last... I sometimes wonder if you might be a new and improved version of someone that used to haunt LP a year or so ago.. I'm just waiting for a ROTFLOL from you in order to be sure..
No, it doesn't. CO2 follows temperature. Temperatures go up, then CO2 goes up. Mostly from evaporating oceans. I never said that. What I said, for the record, is that Thimerisol in vaccines was not a contributing factor in autism. If it was, autism would have gone down when they removed thimerisol from the vaccines. It didn't.
Or fire bombings of SUVs.
The oceans mostly ABSORB the WORLD'S CO2 from ALL the WORLD'S sources, of which the ocean itself is a MINOR source, as the only CO2 produced by the oceans are in isolated regions in the equatorial lattitudes.
You stated that it was not a cause for concern. I'm fairly certain that NO amount of mercury in the system is a GOOD amount of mercury, thus there is absolutely ZERO good reason to place it into vaccines that will be injected into humans.
I'm not lying. Research the studies yourself. Google is your friend. Polar bear populations have been increasing. They are not endangered. I have only had one registration at LP, farmfriend. I used it for all my registrations until it was banned by FR. Who I am was well known on both LP and FR. There is at least one person on this forum who has met me in real life. There were several on LP who knew my real name and worked with me on property rights. There are a few from FR who met me and worked with me. I don't know who you think I was but I'm too well known for that one to fly.
You are misrepresenting what I said but that is not surprising. I repeat, what I said was that thimerisol in vaccines was not a contributing factor in autism.
Mixing the fringe environmental wackos into the mix would also suit their purpose. The majority of scientists believe something new is going on, and they are concerned. How much is man made and how much is a natural cycle is not clear. Just as all the consequences are unknown, so are all the causes.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! LOL! Now that is funny. You really don't read the science do you. The ocean is not a minor source, it is the main source. Man only contributes 3%.
"Their" purpose? Serious talk about global warming as if it were man-made is all it takes. That's well-supported in every element of our mass media, our educational institutions from grade school and beyond, and in our government. Even Bush "acknowledges" it, whatever he thinks he means. The violent environmentalists don't need any conspiracy other than the information we are constantly bombarded with seeming to prove that human CO2 is the root cause of impending disaster. These words mean things, and we should not be surprised when some people take them too seriously.
Are you or are you not aware of the fact that the oceans are the world's largest CO2 sink? Do you know what a CO2 sink is?
I wonder if they could be a black op or false flag paid for by Exxon. They only make the Global Climate Change argument look bad.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! BP and Shell.
Those that ignore the problem are simply part of the problem itself. Words DO have meaning, too bad there are some that refuse to attempt to understand them.
Polar bears drown, islands appear in Arctic thaw Polar bears are drowning and receding Arctic glaciers have uncovered previously unknown islands in a drastic thaw that is being blamed on global warming. Signs of huge changes are appearing around the Arctic region due to unusual warmth. Rune Bergstrom, the environmental adviser to the Governor of Svalbard, a Norwegian archipelago about 1,000 kilometres from the North Pole, says islands as large as 300 metres by 100 metres have been revealed. "We know about three new islands this year that have been uncovered because the glaciers have retreated," he said. The head of England's Scott Polar Research Institute, Julian Dowdeswell, says that during a trip this northern summer he saw polar bears that had apparently been stranded at sea by melting ice. "We saw a couple of polar bears in the sea east of Svalbard - one of them looked to be dead and the other one looked to be exhausted," he said. The bears generally live around the fringes of the ice, where they find it easiest to hunt seals. NASA projected this week that Arctic sea ice is likely to recede in 2006 to a point close to a low recorded in 2005, as part of a melting trend in recent decades. ...
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! Do you understand the concept of oceanic CO2 exchange?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI'm not so worried about global warming. I'm worried about the mass fear of it.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#19. To: farmfriend (#17)
Because they are intelligent
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#20. To: farmfriend (#16)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#21. To: FormerLurker (#18)
#22. To: FormerLurker, buckeye (#18)
First is the fact that globnl warming is deadly serious, and if it IS true, could be fatal for mankind if allowed to continue unabated.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#23. To: farmfriend, wudidiz, robin, buckeye, DWornock, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, christine (#16)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#24. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#25. To: farmfriend (#22)
The risks are much greater with global cooling though.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#26. To: FormerLurker (#23)
Don't you care if the earth becomes uninhabitable, with all of our children and grandchildren suffering horrible deaths in the not too distant future, if global warming turns out to be true?
Why are you so willing to gamble with the earth's future, and why do you support those that wish to continue to pollute the planet, regardless of global warming?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#27. To: FormerLurker (#23)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#28. To: buckeye (#24)
Hysteria.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#29. To: FormerLurker (#25)
So global cooling is melting the glaciers and ice caps uh?
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#30. To: robin (#27)
This should concern the people who inhabit earth.
#31. To: robin (#27)
Currently, the ice sheets are breaking and melting, leaving polar bears to drown.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#32. To: FormerLurker (#28)
I have a problem with people that dismiss science and believe what they are told by those with an agenda.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#33. To: FormerLurker (#20)
BTW, you never explained what you mean by "AGW"..
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#34. To: All (#27)
Study Says Polar Bears Could Face Extinction
Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, November 9, 2004; Page A13
The Revolution will not be televised!
#35. To: farmfriend (#26)
CO2 is not a pollutant!
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#36. To: farmfriend (#32)
So you have a problem with yourself?
#37. To: robin (#34)
according to some computer models
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#38. To: robin (#34)
Global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them, according to the most comprehensive international assessment ever done of Arctic climate change.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#39. To: farmfriend (#32)
So you have a problem with yourself?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#40. To: All (#34)
The sea ice in Hudson Bay, Canada, now breaks up 2 1/2 weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, said Canadian Wildlife Service research scientist Ian Stirling, and as a result female polar bears there weigh 55 pounds less than they did then. Assuming the current rate of ice shrinkage and accompanying weight loss in the Hudson Bay region, bears there could become so thin by 2012 they may no longer be able to reproduce, said Lara Hansen, chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.
The Revolution will not be televised!
#41. To: FormerLurker (#38)
I wonder how many people will simply dismiss that info with "oh well, it doesn't affect me"?
The Revolution will not be televised!
#42. To: farmfriend (#31)
LOL! Right, that's why bear populations have been increasing.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#43. To: FormerLurker (#35)
but it DOES lead to higher tempertures,
Oh that's right, mercury is good for you, isn't it...
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#44. To: robin (#41)
The disinfo is intended to increase the apathy with confusion.
#45. To: farmfriend (#43)
Mostly from evaporating oceans.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#46. To: farmfriend (#43)
I never said that.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#47. To: FormerLurker (#42)
LIAR. It's not the first whopper of a lie I've seen you post, and I'm sure it won't be the last...
I sometimes wonder if you might be a new and improved version of someone that used to haunt LP a year or so ago.. I'm just waiting for a ROTFLOL from you in order to be sure..
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#48. To: FormerLurker (#46)
You stated that it was not a cause for concern. I'm fairly certain that NO amount of mercury in the system is a GOOD amount of mercury, thus there is absolutely ZERO good reason to place it into vaccines that will be injected into humans.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#49. To: buckeye (#44)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#50. To: FormerLurker (#45)
The oceans mostly ABSORB the WORLD'S CO2 from ALL the WORLD'S sources, of which the ocean itself is a MINOR source, as the only CO2 produced by the oceans are in isolated regions in the equatorial lattitudes.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#51. To: robin (#49)
Mixing the fringe environmental wackos into the mix would also suit their purpose.
#52. To: farmfriend (#50)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#53. To: buckeye (#51)
(Edited)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#54. To: robin (#40)
chief scientist for the World Wildlife Fund.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#55. To: buckeye (#51)
The violent environmentalists don't need any conspiracy other than the information we are constantly bombarded with seeming to prove that human CO2 is the root cause of impending disaster.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#56. To: All (#53)
The Revolution will not be televised!
#57. To: farmfriend (#50)
You really don't read the science do you.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
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