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Title: Worst Presidents Ever
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Published: Jan 19, 2008
Author: YertleTurtle
Post Date: 2008-01-19 13:25:55 by YertleTurtle
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In chronological order.

Lincoln, War Between the States.

Woodrow Wilson, WWI, Federal Reserve

FDR, WWII, New Deal

LBJ, Vietnam, Great Society

Bush, Afghanistan, Iraq, United State bankruptcy.

I suspect Bush will go down in history as the worst President ever.

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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

He hasn't gotten credit for launching a civil war yet.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   13:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

LBJ, Vietnam, Great Society

I lump LBJ and Nixon in together. Both perpetuated the Vietnam war. Both racked up the debt. Both went about gutting the economy and nation, be it in different ways.

Carter got stuck with the mess. I feel sorry for whoever follows in Dubya's footsteps.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-01-19   13:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Lincoln, War Between the States.

Woodrow Wilson, WWI, Federal Reserve

FDR, WWII, New Deal

LBJ, Vietnam, Great Society

Bush, Afghanistan, Iraq, United State bankruptcy.

Please, permit me to repost slightly;

Washington, creation of the federal overlay states, which led directly into federalism/beginnings of the destruction of the Republic

Lincoln, Destruction of the Republic; War Between the States

Woodrow Wilson, Federal Reserve, first involvement in European affairs; WWI

FDR, New Deal, bankrupcy of US, WWII

Truman, atomic bomb dropped, start of war-without-end-Korea

To break into the top five, ol G. Bush would have to do considerably worse that he has. Just because you live during his reign does not make his actions worse. His father was far, far more damaging than he has been.

As to the worst of the worst? Without question, George Washington. He knew, even better than those who came later, exactly what he was doing.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   13:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#3) (Edited)

Washington, creation of the federal overlay states, which led directly into federalism/beginnings of the destruction of the Republic

...

Without question, George Washington.

Your explanation would be most welcome. This was constitutional, wasn't it?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   13:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeye (#4)

Without question, George Washington.

Your explanation would be most welcome.

I have posted details about this before, but remember this; the United States DID NOT begin with the Constitution. The United States was a confederation (remember the Confederate States of America in 1861?) before the Constitution was adopted.

The adoption of the Constitition was the beginning of the end of the Republic, AND, the Constitution WAS NOT an authorized act by those who wrote it. They far exceeded their authority in what they did; see the book; The CONstitution That Never Was.

In addition, I have posted before the paper I wrote on this subject as well; There is no Constitution; it is a carefully crafted illision.

That paper is posted here; http://www.brainwashington.info/othersites/Misc% 20Authors/Richard%20Gould/There%20is%20no%20Constitution%20Part%201.pdf

In that paper, I have all of the details about the order that Washington wrote creating the federal states. Enjoy.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   14:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151, FOH (#5)

There is no Constitution; it is a carefully crafted illision.

I've heard of this view, although the story varies from having it in place for part of our history to your view that it never applied. I've heard that the proponents of this view are called "Bad Lockeans" by a scholars dedicated to multiculturalism.

I think I might be a Bad Lockean, as well.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   14:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeye (#6)

to your view that it never applied.

Oh, no! I certainly do not think that! The problem is in understanding HOW it applies. That, is the secret.

The Constitution is a contratual document, which means that anyone who wishes to participate in the creature that was created with/by the Constitution is welcome to contract into the created jurisdiction.

That was the purpose of the 14th Amendment; to create an easier method of entry into the jurisdiction. Welcome to United States citizenship.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   14:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

Obviously I need to do some reading. Thanks.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   14:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeye, richard9151 (#6)

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There is no Constitution--The Crown Still Rules America

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Subject: There is no Constitution--The Crown Still Rules America

This final draft has much additional material missing in the last draft.
If you are interested in the constitution or constitutional rights, this
article raises some vital questions about who is really in control of
the political system.

http://www.brainwashington.info/urls/no_const.asp

According to Richard Gould:

The constitution contains a "trojan horse clause" which was a Crown
device to keep America under the Crown rule.

America and much of the world still is under Crown rule.

No one out of hundreds who have read this has been able to refute it.
They have thrown ad-hominems, "crack-pot" remarks, etc. but have not
rebutted a single statement in the essay.

What could have some people so hot under the collar yet so unable to
make a coherent rebuttal?

http://www.brainwashington.info/urls/no_const.asp

Enjoy the cogitation! I welcome your discussion.

Berkano Saxon

P.S. The full text of the article is below; however the PDF link above
is easier to read and print.

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There is no Constitution, Part I
by Richard Gould

Introduction

This is the final version of this paper. It was released in a limited
fashion before that it could be checked for errors by numerous people.
That has been done, and the additional information that has been added
is a result of the comments that were returned to me. It should be
noted here that while there were more than a few complaints about the
information contained herein, there were no factual errors detected.
This paper is now ready for general distribution.

In the comments that were made, I admit to being shocked that most of
them concerned the Masons, the Thirteenth Tribe, and, even more so, how
few people understood/understand what constitutes the Empire; i.e.,
England. To clear up some of the misunderstandings, the information
that has been added herein is about these three subjects. And my
apologies; my original intent was to write an educational paper that was
about ten pages long. Unfortunately, this intent was overshadowed by
the needs expressed by those who first read my efforts.
THE CITY
When people think of England such terms as 'Great Britain,' 'The Queen,'
'The Crown,' 'Crown Colonies,' 'London,' 'The City of London,' and
'British Empire' come to mind and blend together into an
indistinguishable blur. They are generally looked upon as synonymous, as
being representative of the same basic system. During the 1950s and
1960s the author lived in England (London for five years) without even
beginning to realize the vast difference that exists in the meaning of
some of the above terms.
When people hear of 'The Crown' they automatically think of the King or
Queen; when they hear of 'London' or the 'The City' they instantly think
of the capital of England in which the monarch has his or her official
residence.
To fully understand the unique and generally unknown subject we must
define our terms:
When we speak of 'The City' we are in fact referring to a privately
owned Corporation - or Sovereign State - occupying an irregular
rectangle of 677 acres and located right in the heart of the 610 square
mile 'Greater London' area. The population of 'The City' is listed at
just over four thousand, whereas the population of 'Greater London' (32
boroughs) is approximately seven and a half million.
The 'Crown' is a committee of twelve to fourteen men who rule the
independent sovereign state known as London or 'The City.' 'The City' is
not part of England. It is not subject to the Sovereign. It is not under
the rule of the British parliament. Like the Vatican in Rome, it is a
separate, independent state. It is the Vatican of the commercial world.
The City, which is often called "the wealthiest square mile on earth,"
is ruled over by a Lord Mayor. Here are grouped together Britian's great
financial and commercial institutions: Wealthy banks, dominated by the
privately-owned (Rothschild controlled) Bank of England, Lloyd's of
London, the London Stock Exchange, and the offices of most of the
leading international trading concerns. [Such as the British Invisibles,
I kid you not]. Here, also, is located Fleet Street, the heart and core
of the newspaper and publishing worlds.
TWO MONARCHS
The Lord Mayor, who is elected for a one year stint, is the monarch in
the City. As Aubrey Menen says in "London", Time-Life, 1976, p. 16: "The
relation of this monarch of the City to the monarch of the realm [Queen]
is curious and tells much." It certainly is and certainly does !
When the Queen of England goes to visit the City she is met by the Lord
Mayor at Temple Bar, the symbolic gate of the City. She bows and asks
for permission to enter his private, sovereign State. During such State
visits "the Lord Mayor in his robes and chain, and his entourage in
medieval costume, outshines the royal party, which can dress up no
further than service uniforms." The Lord Mayor leads the queen into his
city.
The reason should be clear. The Lord Mayor is the monarch. The Queen is
his subject! The monarch always leads the way. The subject always stays
a pace or two behind!
The small clique who rule the City dictate to the British Parliament. It
tells them what to do, and when. In theory Britain is ruled by a Prime
Minister and a Cabinet of close advisers. These 'fronts' go to great
lengths to create the impression that they are running the show but, in
reality, they are mere puppets whose strings are pulled by the shadowy
characters who dominate behind the scenes. As the former British Prime
Minister of England during the late 1800s Benjamin D'israeli wrote: "So
you see... the world is governed by very different personages from what
is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes" (Coningsby, The
Century Co., N.Y., 1907, p. 233).
This fact is further demonstrated by another passage from Menen's book:
"The Prime Minister, a busy politician, is not expected to understand
the mysteries of high finance, while the Chancellor of the Exchequer
[Budget Director] is only expected to understand them when he introduces
the budget. Both are advised by the permanent officials of the Treasury,
and these listen to the City. If they suspect that some policy of the
government will [back-fire]... it is no use their calling up British
ambassadors to ask if it is so; they can find out more quickly from the
City. As one ambassador complained to me, diplomats are nowadays no more
than office boys, and slow ones at that.
"The City will know. They will tell the Treasury and the Treasury will
tell the Prime Minister. Woe betide him if he does not listen. The most
striking instance of this happened in recent history. In 1956 the then
Prime Minister, Sir Anthony Eden... launched a war to regain the Suez
Canal. It had scarcely begun when the City let it be known that in a few
days he would have no more money to fight it; the Pound would collapse.
He stopped the war and was turned out of office by his party. When the
Prime Minister rises to address the Lord Mayor's banquet, he hopes that
the City will put more behind him than the gold plate lavishly displayed
on the sideboard" (p. 18).
History clearly reveals that the British government is the bond slave of
the "invisible and inaudible" force centered in the City.
The City calls the tune. The "visible and audible leaders" are mere
puppets who dance to that tune on command. They have no power. They have
no authority. In spite of all the outward show they are mere pawns in
the game being played by the financial elite.
HISTORY of the 'CITY'
From the time of William the Conqueror until the middle of the
seventeenth century the British Monarchs ruled supreme - their word was
law. They truly were Sovereign in every sense of the word.
As British strength and influence grew around the world toward the end
of the 1600s the wealth, strength and influence of the elite merchants
in the City also grew - only at a faster pace. In 1694 the privately
owned Bank of England (a central bank) was established to finance the
profligate ways of William III. The bank was financed by a group of City
merchants who used William Paterson as a 'front.' The names of the
founders have never been made public.
It was at that juncture that the Bank of England and the City began to
dominate and control the affairs of Britain. Their influence and wealth
grew in leaps and bounds in the century that followed. "The Illustrated
Universal History," 1878, records that "Great Britain emerged from her
long contest with France with increased power and national glory. Her
Empire was greatly expanded in all parts of the world; her supremacy on
the sea was undisputed; her wealth and commerce were increased... But
with all this national prosperity, the lower classes of the English
people were sunk in extreme wretchedness and poverty, having been bled
dry during the struggle of the previous twenty years.
It was at this juncture (1815) that the House of Rothschild seized
control of the British economy, the Bank of England and the City - and,
through their other branches, control of the other European nations.
Prior to this period Britain had developed colonies and outposts in the
far-flung reaches of the globe. Having been thrown out of the Western
Hemisphere, Britain now concentrated on acquiring and developing
additional possessions elsewhere.
During its heyday in the nineteenth century approximately 90% of all
international trade was carried in British ships. Other shippers had to
pay the Crown royalties or commissions for the 'privilege' of doing
business on the high seas. During these years 'Britannia Ruled the
Waves' through the domination of the most modern and powerful navy known
up to that time.
TWO SEPARATE EMPIRES
To avoid misunderstanding, it is important that the reader recognize the
fact that two separate empires were operating under the guise of the
British Empire. One was the Crown Empire and the other was the British
Empire.
All the colonial possessions that were white were under the Sovereign -
i.e. under the authority of the British government.
Such nations as the Union of South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and
Canada were governed under British law. These only represented thirteen
percent of the people who made up the inhabitants of the British Empire.
All the other parts of the British Empire - nations like India, Eqypt,
Bermuda, Malta, Cyprus and colonies in Central Africa, Sinapore, Hong
Kong and Gilbraltar (those areas inhabited by the browns, yellows and
blacks) were all Crown Colonies.
These were not under British rule. The British parliament had no
authority over them. They were privately owned and ruled by a private
club in London, England known as the Crown. The Crown's representative
in such areas held the absolute power of life and death over all the
people under his juristiction. There were no courts and no method of
appeal or retribution against a decision rendered by the representatives
of the Crown. Even a British citizen who committed a crime in a Crown
colony was subject to the Crown law. He couldn't appeal to British law
as it didn't apply.
As the Crown owned the committee known as the British government there
was no problem getting the British taxpayer to pay for naval and
military forces to maintain the Crown's supremacy in these areas. Any
revolts were met with terrible retribution by the British navy at no
cost to the Crown.
(My Note; does anyone detect a faint hint of present day military
conflicts here?)
The City reaped fantastic profits from its operations conducted under
the protection of the British armed forces. This wasn't British commerce
and British wealth. The international bankers, prosperous merchants and
the British aristocracy who were part of the 'City' machine accumulated
vast fortunes which they lavishly squandered in their pursuit of
prestige and standing in British Society. Had the wealth been spread out
among all the people in the British Isles prosperity would have
abounded. [I am not suggesting that this should have been done, the
thefts from the exploited should never have occured to begin with - ralph].
In spite of the wealth of the world flowing into the City the majority
of the British people were barely making ends meet.
(My Note; Ummm, sound familiar?)
Many were impoverished to the point of despair. The elite lived in regal
splendor. The poor British peasants were never given a chance to get a
cut of the action.
Simon Haxey in "England's Money Lords Tory M.P.," drew his readers'
attention to the "total disregard or open contempt displayed by the
aristocracy" towards the British people. He also asked, "What part do
the colonial people play in the battle for democracy when they
themselves have no democratic rights and the British governing class
refuses to grant such rights" (pp. 114,115) [we all know the difference
between democracy and republics I hope - ralph]
David Lloyd George, a future prime minister, emphasized the power of the
City and its total contempt for the "wretches" who were not part of the
'club.' In a 1910 speech he stated: "We do most of the business of the
world. We carry more international trade - probably ten times more -
than Germany. Germany carries her own trade largely. The international
trade is ours. Well, we do not do it for nothing. As a matter of fact,
our shipping brings us over a hundred millions (pounds) a year, mostly
paid by that wretched foreigner. I'm taxing the foreigner for all I
know... You've heard a good deal of talk here, probably, about the
exportation of capital abroad. There is no way in which we can make the
foreigner pay more... We get the foreigner in four ways by that. The
first way we leave to Lord Rothschild..." ("Better Times", published 1910).
About seventy years ago Vincent Cartwright Vickers stated that
"...financiers in reality took upon themselves, perhaps not the
responsibility, but certainly the power of controlling the markets of
the world and therefore the numerous relationships between one nation
and another, involving international friendship and mistrusts... Loans
to foreign countries are organized and arranged by the City of London
with no thought whatsoever of the nation's welfare but soley in order to
increase indebtedness upon which the City thrives and grows rich... This
national and mainly international dictatorship of money which plays off
one country against another and which, through ownership of a large
portion of the press, converts the advertisement of its own private
opinion into a semblance of general public opinion, cannot for much
longer be permitted to render Democratic Government a mere nickname.
Today, we see through a glass darkly; for there is so much which 'it
would not be in the public interest to divulge'..." (E.C. Knuth, "Empire
of 'The City'", p. 65).
All of the above points were stressed by Roland G. Usher on pages 80, 83
and 84 of "Pan Germanism," written in 1913:
"The London and Paris bankers [the international bankers] control the
available resources of the world at any one moment, and can therefore
practically permit or prevent the undertaking of any enterprise
requiring the use of more than a hundred million dollars actual value..."
The international bankers "own probably the major part of the bonded
indebtedness of the world. Russia, Turkey, Egypt, India, China, Japan,
and South America are probably owned, so far as any nation can be owned,
in London or Paris. Payment of interest on these vast sums is secured by
the pledging of the public revenues of these countries, and, in the case
of the weaker nations, by the actual delivery of the perception into the
hands of the agents of the English and French bankers. In addition, a
very large share, if not the major part, of the stocks and industrial
securities of the world are owned by those two nations and the policies
of many of the world's enterprises dictated by their financial heads.
The world itself, in fact, pays them tribute; it actually rises in the
morning to earn its living by utilizing their capital, and occupies its
days in making them still wealthier."
In 1946 E.C. Knuth wrote: "The bulwark of the British financial
oligarchy lies in its ageless and self-perpetuating nature, its
long-range planning and prescience, its facility to outwait and break
the patience of its opponents. The transient and temporal statesmen of
Europe and particularly of Britain itself, who have attempted to curb
this monstrosity, have all been defeated by their limited tenure of
confidence. Obligated to show action and results in a too short span of
years, they have been outwitted and outwaited, deluged with irritants
and difficulties; eventually obliged to temporize and retreat. There are
few who have opposed them in Britain and America, without coming to a
disgraceful end, but many, who served them well, have also profited
well" ("Empire of 'The City,'" p. 65).
END of CHAPTER 6 from the book "DESCENT into SLAVERY", by Des Griffin
You have just completed reading the sixth chapter of ""DESCENT into
SLAVERY", by Des Griffin.

There is no Constitution; it is a carefully crafted illusion, Part I

It is difficult to begin a subject such as this, simple because it flies
in the FACE of what we have all been raised to ‘believe.’ But then,
perhaps understanding ‘belief’ is a place to start.

In Webster’s Dictionary of 1828, we are told that ‘belief’ is opposed to
knowledge and science. Perhaps it is with that thought that we should
continue. After all, we ‘believe’ that which we have been told, BUT,
how many of us have bothered to check the public record in order to
confirm those beliefs? And that, my friends, is exactly what we are
about to do.

What we believe, because we have been told/taught this, is that we live
in a Constitutional Republic, where certain ‘natural rights’ are
acknowledged to exist. This is an important distinction that exists
nowhere else on earth, this acknowledgment of ‘natural rights.’ In all
other nations of the earth, all so-called rights are granted by
all-powerful governments as privileges, i.e., as civil rights, which is
why the word ‘right’ is modified by the adjective, ‘civil.’ That which
governments grant can and often are taken away. This can not be done
with natural rights, and this put America instantly at odds with all of
the other powers of this earth, and especially with kings, such as the
King of England, who supposedly rule by divine right. I would think
that would be better stated as ‘divine privilege.’

And the people of that time, around 1780-1795, understood these
principles much better than the average American of today. This is why,
when the Constitution was written, it focused on RESTRICTIONS on the
powers granted (i.e., privileges granted) to the government to be formed
according to the Constitution.

However, the Constitution was written in secret. There was no open
debate about it, and, if you understand that the majority of the
writers/framers of the Constitution were Masons, then some things become
clearer as we go along. Especially if you understand that one of these
Masons, Benjamin Franklin, also printed a book on Masonic Constitutions;
http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

“… in 1734 … he (Franklin) ushered into print the first Freemasonic book
to be published in America, and edition of Anderson's
Constitutions...the Bible for English Freemasonry. …”

A copy of this book, Anderson’s Constitutions, is available in the
Library of Congress. In addition to this foundation of Masonic
connections to the Constitution and to the men who wrote the
Constitution, you can take the Masonic influences as far as you wish,
always, in totally different manners than what we have been taught to
‘believe.’

And for those of you who have doubts about the Masonic connections and
what they mean;

"Weishaupt aimed at nothing less than the complete overthrow of
authority, nationality, and the whole social system, in a word, the
suppression of property...As to his principle, it was absolute and blind
obedience, universal espionage, the end justifies the means. This system
of conspiracy so strongly organized which would have upheaved the world,
spread through Germany, where it seized almost all the Masonic Lodges.
Weishaupt sent to France Joseph Balsamo, so-called Comte Cagliostro, to
illuminize French Masonry. Finally he assembled a Congress at
Wilhelmsbad in 1782, to which he convoked all German and foreign
lodges... (Masonic report, l'Ordre de Nantes, April 23, 1883;
Marie-Antionette et le Complot Maçonnique (1910), Louis Dasté; The Rôle
of Freemasonry in the XVIIIth Century, F ... Brunelière; The Trail of
the Serpent, Miss Stoddard, p. 70-71).
France has known, and she has not forgotten the rule of the Masonic
Terror. She will know, and the world will know with her the rule of the
Jewish terror." (Copin Albancelli, La conjuration juive contre les
peuples. E. Vitte, Lyon, 1909, p. 450; The Secret Powers Behind
Revolution, by Vicomte Leon De Poncins, pp. 14549;147)
B'Nai B'Brith and Program statement of Trotsky. Lev Davidovich
Bronshtein (Trotsky), 187949;1940, is one of the most accomplished and
significant destroyers of Russia. In that he is equal to Lenin himself.
In the wake of his activities he left deep and bloody tracks in the
living body of Russia. On the tablet of history Trotsky would stay
branded forever as a political criminal 49; a Zionist...During the years
of Trotsky's second emigration H.G. Rakovskiy recruited him into
Austrian Intelligence.
There he served as a secrete agent from 1911 through 1917 but from 1917
through 1918 he was also known as a German agent. He became a member of
Masonic and Zionists organizations of Europe (Lodge of
"Misraim49;Memphis") and of the USA (B'Nai Brit" on January 1917).
(Secrete Forces in History of Russia. U.K. Begunov 1995, pp 138,139)
"The Jews should welcome this revolution in the Christian world, and the
Jews should show an example. It is not an accident that Judaism gave
birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took
up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism
and the Jews." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton,
p. 148).
"But whence comes this sinister marvel (the progressive Judaic Power)?
It comes from the failing of the Christian faith...from the progress of
secret societies, filled with apostate Christians who desire what the
Jew desires; that is to say, Judaic civilization s given to us by our
teacher and master the philosophic Jew, the Jew of the 'Alliance
universelle.'" (des Mousseaux; The Trail of the Serpent, Inquire Within,
Miss Stoddard, p. 93).

Now to continue, as a for instance, at the same site as noted above;
http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

“The 13 arrows in the left claw of the Eagle represent the 13 tribes of
Israel fomenting wars and revolutions throughout the world.

In its right claw, the Eagle carries an Olive Branch which has 13
leaves. The Olive Tree represents the House of Israel and House of Judah
(Is. 17:6, 23:14, Jer.11:16, Rom. 11). The 13 leaves represent the 13
tribes of Israel and Judah.

The above has given some people trouble because they do not understand
the reference to 13 tribes;

The Thirteenth Tribe; http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but
almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages became
converted to Judaism. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of
Genghis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves
migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry. . .
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Mr Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in
the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: "These
Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection
with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised
Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar
Kingdom.. The Khazars were a non49;Semitic, Turko49;Mongolian tribe.." Mr
Freedman was challenged, unwisely, by a Zionist objector...he invited
his challenger to go with him to the Jewish room of the New York Public
Library. There they could together examine the Jewish Encyclopedia
volume I pp. 149;12, and the published works of Graetz, Dubnow,
Friedlander, Raisin and many other noted Jewish historians, which, as
well as other non49;Jewish authorities, "establish the fact beyond all
possible doubt".’ (Somewhere South of Suez (1950) pp34949;350)."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, page 179,[GCP pg 68]: "ASHKENAZI,
ASHKENAZIM...constituted before 1963 some nine49;tenths of the Jewish
people (about 15,000,000 out of 16,5000,000)[ As of 1968 it is believed
by some Jewish authorities to be closer to 100%]"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And given how the so-called ‘Jews’ were regarded in much of the World,
and still are today, for that matter, how, exactly, did George
Washington and his brethren treat them?

From the Christian Science Monitor,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

“George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews.

… After centuries of persecution in Europe, Jews welcomed Washington's
message of equality, which set the stage for the US to become home to
the largest, most prosperous Jewish community in the world. …”

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I should not need to discuss the First Bank of the United States, the
Bank of England and the Rochechilds here, so I will not. There is no
question about the money power that controlled/controls England, and the
deeper we look, the more we find the evidence of this within the United
States as well. For instance, George Washington’s great gift to the
Jews was given in 1790. Here is a contemporary quote from the time period;

MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 49; 1789): "Henceforth
no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here
without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest
within the state than this race, which impoverished the people by their
fraud, usury and money49;lending and commits all deeds which an honorable
man despises. Subsequently they have to be removed and excluded from
here as much as possible."

Can we take this another step forward on this subject, as we attempt to
achieve better understanding as to why we have arrived at where we are?
I think so. Please examine this flag
(http://www.bookrags.com/British_East_India_Company);

The above was the flag of the British East Indies Company from about
1707 onward. I am not sure just when they stopped using it (after 1800,
I think), however, each of us needs to be aware that the British East
Indies Company was a British Crown Company; that is to say, it did not
belong to the King of England, but to the members of the committee that
controlled the London financial district. In other words, the
international bankers, who were and still are the power behind the
throne of the King/Queen of England. And, the British colonies in
America were Crown Colonies; not colonies of England.

There are other locations where you can find information similar to
this, but it is only now, after the fruit of the Constitution and of the
United States has become clearer, that we begin to look for answers.

Now, to continue with information about the ties to the Masons;

http://watch.pair.com/GW.html “…Washington's close ties to Freemasonry,
but his position as Grand Master of the Alexandria Lodge No. 22 of
Virginia. …”

http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm Masonic Book Reviews (This is a Masonic
site, with an internet copy of Anderson’s Constitutions.)

Of course, anyone can find the Masonic layout of Washington, DC. Just
type that into any search engine and you will find all of the
information that you could wish to pursue. Such as the following.

http://freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html Freemasonry and Washington
D.C.'s Street Layout

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/dc_symbolism/index.htm Masonic and
Kabbalistic Symbols In the Washington D.C. Map (This one is quite
interesting.)

http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1040.html MASONIC SYMBOLS OF POWER IN THEIR
SEAT OF POWER -- WASHINGTON, D.C.

What, exactly, does all of this mean? Simply put, that WE were not
there when the Constitution was written, the flag(s) were adopted and
the United States formed, nor have we the opportunity to personally
visit with men who were there. That leaves us only the option of
examining the papers relevant to the Constitution and the United States
that we may learn the Truth of what occurred. Actually, if we wish to
understand what has happened to our country, we have no choice but to
undertake this endeavor.

Where do we begin with this search? With the Constitution, of course.

Here is an Internet copy of the Original Constitution;
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constit...

I will be using this when I/we quote from the Constitution. I do this
for a very good reason. If you will check this copy of the Constitution
from the government archives, you will probably find that the copies of
what you were told is the Constitution, both in school books and in
reference books, are not verifiable copies; they probably are different.

In what I am going to tell you, we are going to find that there was a
Trojan horse put into the Constitution. That Trojan horse is Article 1,
Section 8, Clause 17;

“To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over
all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in
which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals,
dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-“

In the above, the operative phrase is; exclusive Legislation, which
means exclusive jurisdiction. And, which, as it turns out, means that
the Constitution DOES NOT apply to Washington, DC, EXCEPT as Congress
decides that it does. Of course, that means that the RESTRICTIONS of
the Constitution do not apply to Washington, DC, because those
restrictions on the power of the government built into the Constitution
and that we spoke of before do not apply to the Congress when the
Congress legislates for the District of Columbia. AND, when the
Congress legislates for the territories of the United States as well.
THIS is the Trojan horse that was introduced into the governing law of
the United States. Deliberately, as we shall learn.

Now, I have had enough discussions with different men to know that this
is going to cause a difference of opinion with many of them. Especially
with those men who state that the Constitution irrevocably attached to
the District of Columbia once the Constitution was adopted because the
district was a part of a state at that time. And, without the specific
consent of the state(s) which gifted the land to create the district, to
all intents and purposes, this clause in the Constitution does not
affect the restrictions.

All of that is well and good, until we examine what happened with the
gifting of the land, and, this illustrates why it is so necessary to
examine all of the paperwork that comprises the foundation of the United
States if we truly wish to find the Truth.

As it turns out, the only state which actually finalized the gift of the
land for the District of Columbia was Maryland. The gift of the land
from Virginia was never consummated, and the land was returned to
Virginia in the 1840s.

I had trouble finding the information for Maryland, but it finally
turned up in a Supreme Court case;
U.S. Supreme Court
BEATTY'S ADM'RS v. BURNES' ADM'RS, 12 U.S. 98 (1814)
Md Laws Nov. 1791, ch. 45, Sec. 2

'Be it enacted,' &c. 'that all that part of the said territory, called
Columbia, which lies within the limits of this state, shall be, and the
same is hereby acknowledged to be, forever ceded and relinquished to the
congress and government of the United States, in full and absolute right
and exclusive jurisdiction, as well of soil, as of persons residing, or
to reside, thereon, pursuant to the tenor and effect of the eight
section of the first article of the constitution of government of the
United States; provided that nothing herein contained shall be so
construed to vest in the United States any right of property in the
soil, as to affect the rights of individuals therein, otherwise than the
same shall or may be transferred by such individuals to the United
States; and provided also that the jurisdiction of the laws of this
state, over the persons and property of individuals residing within the
limits of the cession aforesaid, shall not cease or determine until
congress shall by law provide for the government thereof, under their
jurisdiction, in manner provided by the article of the constitution
before recited.'
Note this; “…forever ceded and relinquished to the congress and
government of the United States, in full and absolute right and
exclusive jurisdiction …”

By this clause, Maryland confirmed that Congress held the District of
Columbia in Exclusive Jurisdiction. We find, with further research,
that this is confirmed by the federal judiciary, which, I am sure, has
never had any doubt about the exclusive nature of the jurisdiction of
the Congress over the District of Columbia;

United States v. More

3 Cranch 159 1805

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/do...s/a3_2_2s8.html

“Mason.--When legislating over the district of Columbia, congress are
bound by no constitution. If they are, they have violated it, by not
giving us a republican form of government. The same observation will
also apply to Louisiana.”

NOTE; When legislating over the district of Columbia, congress are bound
by no constitution....

Now, let us take a close look at another case from 1819;

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_17s16.html

United States v. Cornell
25 Fed. Cas. 646, no. 14,867 C.C.D.R.I. 1819

… It is under the like terms in the same clause of the constitution that
exclusive jurisdiction is now exercised by congress in the District of
Columbia …

Story, Circuit Justice, in summing up to the jury, said:

“The constitution of the United States declares that congress shall have
power to exercise "exclusive legislation" in all "cases whatsoever" over
all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in
which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals,
dockyards and other needful buildings. When therefore a purchase of land
for any of these purposes is made by the national government, and the
state legislature has given its consent to the purchase, the land so
purchased by the very terms of the constitution ipso facto falls within
the exclusive legislation of congress, and the state jurisdiction is
completely ousted. This is the necessary result, for exclusive
jurisdiction is the attendant upon exclusive legislation; and the
consent of the state legislature is by the very terms of the
constitution, by which all the states are bound, and to which all are
parties, a virtual surrender and cession of its sovereignty over the
place. Nor is there anything novel in this construction. It is under the
like terms in the same clause of the constitution that exclusive
jurisdiction is now exercised by congress in the District of Columbia;
for if exclusive jurisdiction and exclusive legislation do not import
the same thing, the states could not cede or the United States accept
for the purposes enumerated in this clause, any exclusive jurisdiction …”

The above makes it pretty clear that Congress does have Exclusive
Jurisdiction over the district of Columbia, but we do have other
evidence, because this is confirmed in other cases as well. The most
important (in my opinion) being DOWNES v. BIDWELL, 182 U.S. 244 (1901).

In this case, we find;

“…In one of those opinions it is said that 'the Constitution was created
by the people of the United States, as a union of states, to be governed
solely by representatives of the states;' also, that 'we find the
Constitution speaking only to states, except in the territorial clause,
which is absolute in its terms, and suggestive of no limitations upon
the power of Congress in dealing with them.' …”

We will find later that this reference to the territorial clause of the
Constitution is very important. In addition, in Downes v. Bidwell, in
the Dissent of Justice Harlan;

“…that as the states could only delegate to Congress such powers as they
themselves possessed, and as they had no power to acquire new territory,
and therefore none to delegate in that connection, the logical inference
is that 'if Congress had power to acquire new territory, which is
conceded, that power was not hampered by the constitutional provisions;'
that if 'we assume that the territorial clause of the Constitution was
not intended to be restricted to such territory as the United States
then possessed, there is nothing in the Constitution to indicate that
the power of Congress in dealing with them was intended to be restricted
by any of the other provisions;' and that 'the execuive and legislative
departments of the government have for more than a century interpreted
this silence as precluding the idea that the Constitution attached to
these territories as soon as acquired.'
These are words of weighty import. They involve consequences of the most
momentous character. I take leave to say that if the principles thus
announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court,
a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will be the
result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional
liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of
legislative absolutism.
Although from the foundation of the government this court has held
steadily to the view that the government of the United States was one of
enumerated powers, and that no one of its branches, nor all of its
branches combined, could constitutionally exercise powers not granted,
or which were not necessarily implied from those expressly granted
(Martin v. Hunter, 1 Wheat. 326, 331, 4 L. ed. 102, 104) we are now
informed that Congress possesses powers outside of the Constitution, and
may deal with new er- [182 U.S. 244, 380] ritory, acquired by treaty
or conquest, in the same manner as other nations have been accustomed to
act with respect to territories acquired by them. …

The idea prevails with some-indeed, it found expression in agruments at
the bar-that we have in this country substantially or practically two
national governments; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with
all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and
independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other
nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise. It is one thing to give
such a latitudinarian construction to the Constitution as will bring the
exercise of power by Congress, upon a particular occasion or upon a
particular subject, within its provisions. It is quite a different thing
to say that Congress may, if it so elects, proceed outside of the
Constitution. The glory of our American system [182 U.S. 244, 381] of
government is that it was created by a written constitution which
protects the people against the exercise of arbitrary, unlimited power,
and the limits of which instrument may not be passed by the government
it created, or by any branch of it, or even by the people who ordained
it, except by amendment or change of its provisions. …”

Overall, Mr. Justice Harlan is a very competent Justice, but he was
speaking of something that had become engrained within the laws of the
United States; the Exclusive Jurisdiction of Congress over the
territories of the United States and over Washington, DC. If you wish,
look up Downes v. Bidwell and enjoy, but, I warn you, it is a very dry
read filled with self-justifications for what they were doing.

And this brings us to the question as to exactly what the men who wrote
the Constitution understood about what it was that they had created.
For this, I think it best to first turn to a very famous quote;

"Dr. Franklin, what have you given us?" "Madam, we have given you a
Republic, if you can keep it!" – Benjamin Franklin (1787)

Think about this quote and what was not said; Franklin DID NOT say, ‘WE
have created a Republic if WE can keep it.’

He said; ‘WE have given YOU a Republic, if YOU can keep it!’ Given the
observable results of the Constitution, as we see them in operation
today, I do not think that there is any doubt about what he meant when
he used the royal we.

However, is there any other information from the same time period that
we can use to ascertain if the people responsible for the Constitution
really understood that the restrictions within the Constitution did not
apply to Washington, DC? Why, yes, there is.

On the internet, at 'http://civil-liberties.com', is a very interesting
on-line book previously mentioned titled The United States is Still a
Subject of Great Britain. Recently new to this on-line book is a
summary section in which I found the following information:

"In reading the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, vol. I,
1789-1897, I discovered the following:

Gentlemen of the Senate:

Pursuant to the powers vested in me by the act entitled "An act
repealing after the last day of June next the duties heretofore laid
upon distilled spirits imported from abroad and laying others in their
stead, and also upon spirits distilled within the United States, and for
appropriating the same," I have thought fit to divide the United States
into the following districts, namely:

The district of New Hampshire, to consist of the State of New Hampshire;
the district of Massachusetts, to consist of the State of Massachusetts;
the district of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, to consist of
the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations; the district of
Connecticut, to consist of the State of Connecticut; the district of
Vermont, to consist of the State of Vermont; the district of New York,
to consist of the State of New York; the district of New Jersey, to
consist of the State of New Jersey; the district of Pennsylvania, to
consist of the State of Pennsylvania; the district of Delaware, to
consist of the State of Delaware; the district of Maryland, to consist
of the State of Maryland; the district of Virginia, to consist of the
State of Virginia; the district of North Carolina, to consist of the
State of North Carolina; the district of South Carolina, to consist of
the State of South Carolina; and the district of Georgia, to consist of
the State of Georgia." March 4, 1791 (page 99).

In George Washington's Proclamation of March 30, 1791, he declares the
district of Columbia to be created and its borders established, he says
further:

"And Congress by an amendatory act passed on the 3rd day of the
present month of March have given further authority to the President of
the United States..."

This replaced the States in Union with the District States in Union
formally known as the States of... . This was also necessary for the
newly formed Bank of the United States, February 25, 1791, to do
business in the State of..., but is actually the District State.
Subjection of the States of... was complete, all that was necessary was
for a permanent state of war to exist, such as we have had since the
Civil War, to invoke statutory law over the enemy, requiring them to
obey all license requirements, because enemies have no rights in an
occupied territory.

Washington declared, under the War Powers, acting as
Commander-in-Chief, that the States of the Union were now overlaid by
District States, which as I think you know, removes the States
boundaries as a matter of sovereignty, violating the Constitutional
guarantee of a Republican form of government to the States in Union,
Article 4, Sec. 4, which cannot take place if delegated authority is
taken under the War Powers, not ceded by the Charter/Constitution.

A simple reading of the Constitution will reveal that there is no
authority/privilege granted either to Congress or to the President of
the United States to create anything overlaying the union states of the
Republic. From this, it is not difficult to determine that the then
President of the Untied States understood very well that the
restrictions on powers within the Constitution did not apply to
Washington, DC.

A study of this time period also reveals that Washington created this
overlay of the several states in order to permit the First Bank of the
United States (basically, the Rothechilds) to operate within the several
states under the flag of the federal district and prey upon the people
of the nation.

To complete this study, is there yet another indication that we can find
in the history of the beginning of the United States that would
reinforce what we are finding? Yes, there is. And it offers what is
unquestionably the strongest evidence of all that everything we have
been taught about the Constitution is nothing but a smoke screen. A
smoke screen to hide the real nature of the United States government.

And this strong evidence is the so-called Supreme Court. See;
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/45.html

SUPREME COURT OF THE U.S. - RULES
..Part VIII. Disposition of Cases
Rule 45. Process; Mandates
1. All process of this Court issues in the name of the President of the
United States.

http://www.historyofsupremecourt.org/resources/lp_today_choosingjusti...
The Judiciary Act of 1789
September 24, 1789.
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the supreme
court of the United States shall consist…

Now, we need to look at the Constitution; Article 3, Section 1:

“The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme
Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time
ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior
Courts, …”

Since Congress was ordered to establish and clearly did establish the
supreme court of the United States, as an inferior court, BECAUSE THE
CONGRESS IS NOT COMMANDED TO ESTABLISH ANY OTHER COURT, the Supreme
Court is an inferior court to the one supreme Court established by the
Constitution. That court, the one supreme Court, has never sat.

It is also important, and interesting, to note the close similarity of
the names of the two courts – supreme court & one supreme Court. It is
difficult for me to separate such deceptive practices out of my
considerations about who is behind such things when I also know the
names of the privately owned Bank of England and the privately owned
Federal Reserve Bank of the United States.

Clearly, the Senate and the Congress established the so-called Supreme
Court of the United States, and what they create, they control. It
should also be noted that the process of this court issues in the name
of the President of the United States, rather than under it’s own
authority, and this is because this court has no authority on it’s own;
it is not the court detailed in Article 3 of the Constitution. It is an
administrative court created by Congress.

Do we have further proof of this? Yes, we do. For various reasons,
what are called the SLAUGHTER-HOUSE CASES are considered to be important
cases. Part of this is because they were some of the first, if not the
very first cases, called before the Supreme Court, which addressed the
issue of citizenship after the so-called passage of the 13th & 14th
Amendments (more on this later). These cases, Slaughter-House Cases,
(1873), are important, but what is more important are the U.S. Supreme
Court -- IN RE SLAUGHTER-HOUSE CASES, 77 U.S. 273 (1869), where it was
determined if the Supreme Court had the jurisdiction to hear the cases.

Here, we find; “7. What power, then, has the Supreme Court of the United
States in the premises?“

“2. The power given to this court by the Act of 1789 …”

“…Controversies determined in a State court which are subject to re-
examination in this court, are such, and such only as involve some one
or more of the questions enumerated and described in the twenty-fifth
section of the Judiciary Act …”

“…and the twenty-third section of the Judiciary Act provides to the
effect that …”

“…complied in each case with all the conditions prescribed in the act of
Congress …”

And why did the Supreme Court decide to hear the case?

“…. But it is equally competent for this court, in the furtherance of
justice, to do the same …”
The entirety of this case IN RE is an admission that the Supreme Court
only has the jurisdiction and power given to it from the Congress, and
that it’s power does not flow from the Constitution. And, with this
case, we can take things even further forward.
For instance, if you want a further shock, try these; “Independent of
statutory regulations, the term supersedeas has little or no application
in equity suits, as the rule is well settled in the English courts that
an appeal in chancery does not stop the proceedings …”
“3d. That the judgment of the court remits the practice on this subject
substantially back to the practice of the English courts of equity, …”
“Footnote 9 See General Order in House of Lords in 1807, …”

The above is added in here just in case you are in doubt as to who was
behind the Constitution and the establishment of the courts of the
United States.

If you understand what was being said, this decision of the Supreme
Court is using a decision made in an English court in order to affirm
what the United States court has decided to do.

Before we move on, I want to bring out a couple of cases that are
important. For instance;

“In exercising this power, Congress is not subject to the same
constitutional limitations, as when it is legislating for the United
States. ... And in general the guaranties [sic] of the Constitution,
save as they are limitations upon the exercise of executive and
legislative power when exerted for or over our insular possessions,
extend to them only as Congress, in the exercise of its legislative
power over territory belonging to the United States, has made those
guarantees applicable.

[Hooven & Allison Co. v. Evatt, 324 U.S. 652 (1945)]”

The above case is particularly important because it falls after 1938. A
little later on you will understand that reference.

The following is also important, and comes from an unpublished
memorandum for this case.

“Knox v. U.S., United States District Court for the Western District of
Texas, San Antonio, Texas, Case #SA-89-CA-1308

This theory of a government operating outside the Constitution over its
own territory with citizens of the United States belonging thereto under
Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2 of the Constitution was further confirmed
in 1922 by the Supreme Court in Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 300
(EXHIBIT #4) where that Court affirmed that the Constitution does not
apply outside the limits of the 50 States of the Union at page 305
quoting Downes, supra and De Lima, supra. That under Article IV,
section 3 the "United States" was given exclusive power over the
territories and their citizens of the "United States" residing therein. …”

When you read papers such as this, you must always keep in mind the
extension of the federal districts by George Washington over the several
states, thus extending federal jurisdiction well beyond any intent
written into the delegated powers described within the Constitution.

Before we go on to something else, we need to look at what had happened,
and what the only possible result could be. In the book, The Cure for
All Diseases, by Hulga Clark, we are told how parasites invade and
attack the weakest of the organs in our bodies. Always, the weakest.
In the plant kingdom, this is also how insects and disease chose which
plants to attack; always the weakest. Either plants which were damaged
by wind or hail, too much sun, not enough water, some poison, cold, or
any reason that put the plant in distress. This is a general rule of
nature, in that the weakest is always the first to be attacked, and, it
is something that all of us basically understand. We just do not like
to think about it very much because it violates our sense of fair play.

Fair play or not, what was necessary for America is that the center of
the power in America, the United States government, HAD to be where the
strongest chains were placed on the powers exercised by that
government…… or…… that is where the parasites would congregate and
attack the principles that stood between them and the fortunes that were
to be had by the control of that power. I do not believe that there is
anyone who will read this who does not understand that this is exactly
what has happened. Stay tuned.

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a
merger of state and corporate power: Benito Mussolini

NEXT; There is no Constitution Part II The Civil War

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-01-19   14:33:06 ET  (8 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#7)

You might have some notions about getting OUT of the contract and becoming 'sovereign' again that you would share?

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FOH  posted on  2008-01-19   14:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FOH (#9)

A dedicated thread would be good for this. Thanks for posting it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   14:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FOH (#10)

You might have some notions about getting OUT of the contract and becoming 'sovereign' again that you would share?

Yes, and no. That is not something that you share; it is something that you learn and live.

Unless people do the background studies, which takes years, it is dangerous to give them a solution that they are neither ready for nor educated to enforce.

And, even if they have the knowledge to enforce it, you still must enforce it in 'their' courts. Care to try that? I no longer wish to, which leads us to what the real solution is.

I have seen no evidence in 4um that there is more than one or two who are willing to listen to that solution, and, they have already, as far as I know, moved to that.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   14:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FOH (#9)

This Link Works; Other Didn't

Thank you. I did not have that link!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   14:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeye, FOH (#11)

A dedicated thread would be good for this. Thanks for posting it.

This is true, but I have posted it before. One of you should do it this time around.

I have learned that it takes much repetition to get people's attention. Sorry to say.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   14:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#2)

I lump LBJ and Nixon in together. Both perpetuated the Vietnam war. Both racked up the debt. Both went about gutting the economy and nation, be it in different ways.

Carter got stuck with the mess. I feel sorry for whoever follows in Dubya's footsteps.

Everyone talks about how terrible Carter was, but the worst that can be said about him was that he mismanaged a mess other people created. So did Ford.

LBJ was in many ways worse than Nixon, LBJ gave us the Vietnam fiasco and the Great Society, Nixon just helped dig the ditch deeper. And of course we have LBJ to thank for giving Israel a free pass after the USS Liberty affair - not that Nixon (or any other US President) would have done much differently.

I'd say that in the 20th century, George W. Bush and LBJ are tied for worst Presidents. They have plenty of runners up as competition though, from Woodrow Wilson to Bill Clinton.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-01-19   15:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeye, FOH (#11)

dedicated thread

One thing that I would suggest is that if you do post it, that you post a copy of the flag with it. Rather a shocking visual is what that is.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   15:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

I suspect Bush will go down in history as the worst President ever.

Bush, the first moron to inhabit the Oval Office, can't lose.

A political party that elevates a moron of the privileged class to the nation's highest office does not deserve to exist. Hopefully the Republican Party will go the way of the Whig Party, its predecessor, and end up in the toliet of history.

America may not survive the Bush family.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-01-19   15:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Zoroaster (#17)

America may not survive the Bush family.

America will not survive the Bush/Clinton ruling families.

Arete  posted on  2008-01-19   15:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: richard9151, FOH (#16)

This article has a lot of ideas mixed together in it. Too much at once for a single thread. I think I should start with the overlay aspect, when I've had a chance to read about it more carefully.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   16:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeye, FOH (#19)

This article has a lot of ideas mixed together in it.

That is an interesting view. And it is not something that has been mentioned to me before. Thank you.

The problem would be, for me, to separate what I consider to be one story into separate pieces. Nothing that occurred in that time frame in America, or, for that matter, England as well, can be separated from all else, and make sense in and of itself.

Until all is taken into consideration, the framework that surrounds the Constitution is hidden. There is an interesting book titled The Hidden Hand. That title pretty well sums up what happened in America between 1750 and 1792.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   17:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: richard9151 (#20)

Carry_Okie at TOS1/2 has mentioned poison pills added to the Constitution in the 14th amendment and the section on treaties.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-19   17:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeye (#21)

Carry_Okie at TOS1/2 has mentioned poison pills

I would think that a poison pill would have to be something that was there; not something added. He is correct about the 14th Amendment, but the real problem in the Constitution is Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17. That established the democracy.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-19   19:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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