Title: Moazzam Begg - released Guantanamo detainee speaks out Source:
Youtube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41m5_lmWUMU Published:Mar 9, 2007 Author:adycousins Post Date:2008-01-21 15:39:48 by buckeye Keywords:habeas corpus, ron paul, war Views:285 Comments:26
#1. To: christine, Hayek Fan, Red Jones, iconoclast, Ferret Mike, nobody, FOH, Itisa1mosttoolate, robin, Sparker, TwentyTwelve, Dwornock, wudidiz, Zipporah (#0)(Edited)
I post this thread with a video of Moazzam Begg with great concern that it not be misunderstood. I personally am strongly opposed to unlimited non-western immigration to Europe, the United States, and the former British commonwealth nations. My main concern is massive immigration to the United States, but when one travels in Europe today, one is reminded of their diminishing vitality. In fact, this video and any investigation into Mr. Begg's life and associations would support that view. He is clearly unhappy with the way the Commonwealth has treated his regions of origin and cultural association. His loyalty is not to his new country, or its values, but to a foreign value system.
However, once immigrants come to our nation, I find that I must ask that they be treated fairly under our laws before they were corrupted and misinterpreted by the Bush and Clinton administrations. I ask that the intent of our 800 year-old Habeas Corpus law be extended to all human beings who come to our territories. Furthermore, it seems advisable to me to speak up and ask that captives on our battlefields, wherever they are, be treated fairly under the terms of the Geneva convention.
I do not sympathize with terrorism in any way, and I strongly denounce the views implied and attributed to this man. However, we must strive to be better than our enemies if we are to remain true to our own commitments as human beings comprising a so-called "free" society. We are free to make these observations, and the 4 forum is the best place I know to air them at the moment. Again, none of this should be construed in any way to suggest that I am against the United States and its western allies defeating Islamic terrorism. I endorse Ron Paul's candidacy not because I assume he would be a pacifist, but because he would fight effectively, with a just peace as the result of a just victory. His statements urging America to leave Iraq and Afghanistan and discontinue our military occupations of these lands are solutions that I agree with and hope that our government decides to pursue. A return to our constitutional laws would mean that captives like Begg would be given fair trials instead of never being charged during years of captivity, justified or not.
Moazzam Begg speaks to an audience of around 100 people at Goldsmiths' University London. The meeting was organised by Lewisham Stop The War Coalition.
I love yuh, buddy, you know that .... but I think you mighta stepped in it here.
IMHO, this chap is of the type of the that should have been the LAST of the group to have been released. He is obviously a very, very, intelligent and articulate fellow. He was granted a gift from God .... immigration to Western Civilization where he received good education and exposure to values that go quite beyond honor killings for family members. In other words he chose tribe over good sense.
His answer was to return to Afghanistan and Pakistan to further Jihad. He was arrested, not in Birmingham, England, but in Pakistan (not to preclude his arrests in England as a young thug and activist).
I could perhaps sympathize in the release of some young country schmuck who. if he received any education at all, got memorization of the Koran and Jihad indoctrination.
This guy may well have the intellectual capacity and the charisma to become the next bin Laden. He should have been kept locked up with the key thrown away. His "American rights" are pure BS, he was a prisoner of war.
He pisses and moans about his treatment, but I couldn't help but notice that his mad/intelligent head was still attached to his body.
How anyone can expect a rational, intelligent person to believe that my question was a leading question regarding your assertion, or a question suggestive of anything at all regarding the validity of your assertion, will remain a mystery, I suppose, regardless of any necessarily-untenable justifications you may now wish to set forth in support of it.
I'd ask you for what reason are you trying put words in my mouth, besides that you have some sort of remarkably disgusting but ambitious agenda, but it's clear that would be a waste of time.
So many indications that I'm dealing with a zionist-based mentality there.
I asked because I had absolutely no intention of following your link there, or any other link you wish to use in place of providing quotes or otherwise explaining your assertions here. It has nothing to do with my abundant laziness and everything to do with trust. More specifically, an absolute lack of it.
In other words, charming person, I was quite clearly inquiring as to the basis of your assertion and, just as clearly, doing nothing else notable regarding it. Nonetheless, you have my appreciation for your remarkable attempt to compel a premature judgment from me (or a confession, I leave it to you to make that distinction and to not advise me of it, as it would only be my morbid curiosity that would inspire me to ask) regarding your assertion.
I wish to assure you that you need not construe any of this to mean that your response appears to be too eager, too aggressive or too desperate. So much high-quality information regarding 9/11 is coming from "anti-terrorists," as I'm sure you are aware, if I may be so subtle here. It is in that contextual spirit that I say I hope you're pleased with my response here. If you wish more of the same, just keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you. It was fun. I like kicking aggressive needy drunken-acting people in the pants. Never near the down-stairs, though. Usually they land on their ass. Nice flip.